A pain that you have to pull it out to change the settings - would have been better if it could be done externally, maybe by a timed sequence of switchon/offs, or by holding a magnet next to it. Or just use GU10s so the customer can change to whatever they like
@@richardhalliday6469 all of you, bunch of sparky Lazy bastards want it all your own way and charge the earth to fit it This is one less job we have to pay you lot for, easy peasee
Never fit integrated downlight, when they go wrong in 5 years time & the line has stopped production, you're stuck with either a light that doesn't work or one that is different to the rest. Better off with GU10 & the customer can change the lamp when it finally gives up.
Personally I wont fit integrated fittings, as you say in years when they quit they'll be a nightmare to find and repair, hows that good for the environment? Gu10 fitting and change bulbs as customer requires.
@efixx It's a good product, however a few ideas of additional features to suggest to Knightsbridge for a future version if feasible. 1) A adjustable brightness feature from 1W to 10W, adjusted by a potentiometer on the back. 2) A mechanically adjustable lenses feature to change the beam angle on the fly. 3) Magnetically attached reversible covers/faceplates.
Looks a fantastic product. You even get the brass bezel! They literally have thought of everything. All at a very reasonable price. We will be trying these out on our next stock order. Thanks as always for the heads up EFIXX. You guys have the best videos in our industry 👍👌😉🔟💯
It’s good when you guys showing new product when coming out and contractors can get ideas on this light National lighting was first to come such a light around two and half years ago. Not exactly the same just color temp. But price it’s lots lower
Oh so close to perfection, if they do a rope edge brass bezel it would be perfect. With all the switching on the back of the fitting do you train a mouse or a borrower to switch it for you
This looks like a great idea, the only issue I have with this sort of stuff is when it fails you need to throw away the whole unit... LED street lights are now failing near me after just 2 years, and they need to replace the whole head, not just a bulb, so they are left out of action for a lot longer.
It would be good to show the light turning on while installed with the dimmer. I've installed this spotlight all over the house just to find out they take 2-3s to turn on when connected to a dimmer.
You seem to have skipped over its "E" rating for energy efficiency. E for excellent? 😅 Does that mean it gets quite hot? Did you guys notice excessive heat?
I install the standard model of these without the adjustable settings and they are brilliant! Wouldn't install anything else now. These are something else though! Iv been there when I have fitted 36 in an extension and the customer specs cool white then a week after install wants warm white. Imagine the hassle the adjustable k settings will save!
Why do these fittings draw 8w, when dimmed to 10%, were a GU10 LED of 5w dimmed to the same 10% draws less than 1w. The SpecktroLED appears to draw full rate all the time whereas the GU10 LED bulb appears to be variable and thus significantly more power efficient. Is there a follow-up video where we test the most power-efficient downlights available? I really like the SpecktroLED especially as there is now a swivel version available but a bit power hungry compared to other older fittings
My flat plate sockets, etc, are Knightsbridge - now four years old. No problems except one, the dimmer switch failed after two years. I expected that as the innards module was the standard cheapish design seen in the cheapo stuff DIY sheds. I replaced it with a Varilight V Pro module - I was to replace it in initial installation, but never got around to it. Far better.
Nice enough unit, but not a big fan of integrated downlights. Have seen a few sparks on here that would have used integrated downlights a year or so ago, but have moved back to replaceable GU10 cans due to call backs of various brands of the integrated type.
The issue with all LED stuff is how much the LED's are being pushed. Say a 6w LED bulb may have 12 LED's running at 0.5w, which is about right. The problem is when manufacturers start to cut costs & use say 9 LED's, now running at 0.75w - or worse 6 LED's running at 1w each in the bulb/unit. This generates much more heat & rapidly shortens the lifespan of the unit, often resulting in a LED or two dying of the black dot of death, with most of them arranged in series = whole bulb/unit is dead. All for saving a tiny fraction in costs or poorly engineered in the first place pushing the LED's too much. The switch to toggle 8w & 5w is likely a 1uF ~ 1.5uF 400v capacitor (with discharge resistor), that when enabled switches the 8w LED unit down to 5w to prolong life. You can do all this to many LED stuff, GU10's, floodlights etc... czcams.com/video/biEZ1TbdhhU/video.html
You guys are like kitchen gadget salesmen ;) In an ironic way though, which just makes it funny. Colour rendering looks okay from that fruit bowl but hard to tell on a video. What’s the CRI? For me CRI is everything. Also is there any patterning of the light from the reflector? I really prefer reflector lights not these bland, cheap, highly diffused ones you can get. Shame you need a physical switch on the reverse to change the white temperature (as opposed to some remote control or smarts…)
That’s is how I understand the new regulations - the light source has to be replaceable - I.e like a GU10 lamp as an example - these dedicated light source Downlights are not compliant under new regs as if they fail you have to replace the complete fitting and the failed unit ends up in landfill - plus given the chances of getting the same fitting in say 4 or 5yrs time are remote as designs come & go so quickly in this particular market.
Exactly. Just had to change a fitting which had failed. Design not available - it is five years after all! So that is two complete fittings for one failure.
Not the best for reliability & these could be of the same.! Also a shame to have all that flexibility and then have no access to it again once its in the ceiling.! (Without damaging the ceiling again of course). This is where the V50 wins everytime.! Easy access under the bezel.! You need to know what you want before you fit it & if that's the case then just buy what you want / need??!
When are manufacturers going to stop using those awful spring clips. By the time you've decided what settings look the best, it will be time to get the ceiling reskimmed.
Prevention is better than a cure! I always chuckle when a well known brand says our light has been designed by Electricians and it still has the springs!! Ok on a new ceiling.. I hate having to apologise for the damage they cause!!
I actually have 5000k in my home and is like a true daylight but not a common colour in the UK. Ordered from a manufacturer in China directly and would recommend if you are looking for a natural light
Missus prefers 3000 to 4000 in kitchen, moans bathroom is too bright as for a while one the three bulbs failed so she got used to a more subtle light in there. When I finally replaced it, she complained it is too bright now - but we had 3 lights in there for ages until one blew. I know but I got used to it she says WOMEN - never bloomin' happy. Shower is still 12v LED until I get around to replacing it with GU10's. She'll probably moan about that too - jeeez
Imagine the amount of rubbish made when they fail because you can’t fix them.. integral led fittings for gu10 all the way. Plenty of led bulbs to fit and easily replace it when fails.
First world problem being solved in a ridiculously over-complicated way. 1. Reduced lifespan (More components = reduced life span. Ditto complexity) 2. I bet the customer won't stop changing their mind just because you have installed the unit and then scratched the paint taking it out to try another setting. It might have a use as a single display unit so that customer can see the effects before choosing which to go for in a non-adjustable and cheaper unit. Not impressed.
Knightsbridge SpektroLED - 30 minute fire rated downlight
ℹ hub.efixx.co.uk/spektroLED
Ohhhh, nice. Not seen those before. Good solution to a common problem for customers. Ideal for maintenance. Like it
Do you NOT hate springs??
A pain that you have to pull it out to change the settings - would have been better if it could be done externally, maybe by a timed sequence of switchon/offs, or by holding a magnet next to it.
Or just use GU10s so the customer can change to whatever they like
My thoughts too. Trying to get some of these buggers out the ceiling without creating damage can be easier said than done.
You took the words right from me. I couldn't agree more. 👍
Absolutely
@@richardhalliday6469 all of you, bunch of sparky Lazy bastards want it all your own way and charge the earth to fit it
This is one less job we have to pay you lot for, easy peasee
Never fit integrated downlight, when they go wrong in 5 years time & the line has stopped production, you're stuck with either a light that doesn't work or one that is different to the rest. Better off with GU10 & the customer can change the lamp when it finally gives up.
plus the different beam angle, personally prefer say 120° for distributing the light in most homes, where as a narrower beam for display lighting.
Personally I wont fit integrated fittings, as you say in years when they quit they'll be a nightmare to find and repair, hows that good for the environment? Gu10 fitting and change bulbs as customer requires.
@efixx It's a good product, however a few ideas of additional features to suggest to Knightsbridge for a future version if feasible.
1) A adjustable brightness feature from 1W to 10W, adjusted by a potentiometer on the back.
2) A mechanically adjustable lenses feature to change the beam angle on the fly.
3) Magnetically attached reversible covers/faceplates.
Great ideas 💡 👍
Looks a fantastic product. You even get the brass bezel! They literally have thought of everything. All at a very reasonable price. We will be trying these out on our next stock order. Thanks as always for the heads up EFIXX. You guys have the best videos in our industry 👍👌😉🔟💯
It’s good when you guys showing new product when coming out and contractors can get ideas on this light
National lighting was first to come such a light around two and half years ago. Not exactly the same just color temp. But price it’s lots lower
If they would offer the same exact light with a high CRI it would be perfect. 👍
Ordered a load of these from Merkko LED lighting, smashing little fitting 🙌
Oh so close to perfection, if they do a rope edge brass bezel it would be perfect. With all the switching on the back of the fitting do you train a mouse or a borrower to switch it for you
This looks like a great idea, the only issue I have with this sort of stuff is when it fails you need to throw away the whole unit... LED street lights are now failing near me after just 2 years, and they need to replace the whole head, not just a bulb, so they are left out of action for a lot longer.
It would be good to show the light turning on while installed with the dimmer. I've installed this spotlight all over the house just to find out they take 2-3s to turn on when connected to a dimmer.
Great video chaps informative as usual 👍
🤔 Can you get these with a square bezel?
You seem to have skipped over its "E" rating for energy efficiency. E for excellent? 😅
Does that mean it gets quite hot? Did you guys notice excessive heat?
Nice. Like that 👍
I would have them in my house
Price permitting.
Great video guy’s as always
👍👍👍❤️⚡️
Competitively priced we are told 😁- no excuses
I install the standard model of these without the adjustable settings and they are brilliant! Wouldn't install anything else now. These are something else though! Iv been there when I have fitted 36 in an extension and the customer specs cool white then a week after install wants warm white. Imagine the hassle the adjustable k settings will save!
Why do these fittings draw 8w, when dimmed to 10%, were a GU10 LED of 5w dimmed to the same 10% draws less than 1w. The SpecktroLED appears to draw full rate all the time whereas the GU10 LED bulb appears to be variable and thus significantly more power efficient. Is there a follow-up video where we test the most power-efficient downlights available? I really like the SpecktroLED especially as there is now a swivel version available but a bit power hungry compared to other older fittings
I always feel disconcerted when the lamp inside isn't replaceable
Nice idea, shame I've found Knightsbridge to be quite unreliable, but, fingers crossed...
Product or service ?
@@efixx Had a few sockets and switches fail in the past, got them replaced easy enough but it's hassle having to return to a job to swap them out.
My flat plate sockets, etc, are Knightsbridge - now four years old. No problems except one, the dimmer switch failed after two years. I expected that as the innards module was the standard cheapish design seen in the cheapo stuff DIY sheds. I replaced it with a Varilight V Pro module - I was to replace it in initial installation, but never got around to it. Far better.
Just wondering guys if this could be used as a soffit downlight? IP20 at the rear would indicate not?
Nice enough unit, but not a big fan of integrated downlights. Have seen a few sparks on here that would have used integrated downlights a year or so ago, but have moved back to replaceable GU10 cans due to call backs of various brands of the integrated type.
The issue with all LED stuff is how much the LED's are being pushed. Say a 6w LED bulb may have 12 LED's running at 0.5w, which is about right. The problem is when manufacturers start to cut costs & use say 9 LED's, now running at 0.75w - or worse 6 LED's running at 1w each in the bulb/unit. This generates much more heat & rapidly shortens the lifespan of the unit, often resulting in a LED or two dying of the black dot of death, with most of them arranged in series = whole bulb/unit is dead. All for saving a tiny fraction in costs or poorly engineered in the first place pushing the LED's too much.
The switch to toggle 8w & 5w is likely a 1uF ~ 1.5uF 400v capacitor (with discharge resistor), that when enabled switches the 8w LED unit down to 5w to prolong life. You can do all this to many LED stuff, GU10's, floodlights etc...
czcams.com/video/biEZ1TbdhhU/video.html
@@authuruksake969 Big Clive brings this up many times with LED's being driven too hard, reducing their life.
You guys are like kitchen gadget salesmen ;) In an ironic way though, which just makes it funny. Colour rendering looks okay from that fruit bowl but hard to tell on a video. What’s the CRI? For me CRI is everything. Also is there any patterning of the light from the reflector? I really prefer reflector lights not these bland, cheap, highly diffused ones you can get. Shame you need a physical switch on the reverse to change the white temperature (as opposed to some remote control or smarts…)
CRI80 the light output is quite uniform over angle.
I understand new legislation means lamps must be replaceable in a fitting as ‘repairable’. Is this a lamp or a fitting? I want
‘Smart’lamps!
That’s is how I understand the new regulations - the light source has to be replaceable - I.e like a GU10 lamp as an example - these dedicated light source Downlights are not compliant under new regs as if they fail you have to replace the complete fitting and the failed unit ends up in landfill - plus given the chances of getting the same fitting in say 4 or 5yrs time are remote as designs come & go so quickly in this particular market.
Exactly. Just had to change a fitting which had failed. Design not available - it is five years after all! So that is two complete fittings for one failure.
What's the beam angle?
Not the best for reliability & these could be of the same.! Also a shame to have all that flexibility and then have no access to it again once its in the ceiling.! (Without damaging the ceiling again of course). This is where the V50 wins everytime.! Easy access under the bezel.! You need to know what you want before you fit it & if that's the case then just buy what you want / need??!
Have to agree....you wouldn't want to keep pulling those out of the ceiling......
When are manufacturers going to stop using those awful spring clips. By the time you've decided what settings look the best, it will be time to get the ceiling reskimmed.
"I don't like the beam angle".
Does no one else hate springs!! They ruin ceilings!! There must be a better way..
You can get plaster in frames for higher end down lights.
Prevention is better than a cure! I always chuckle when a well known brand says our light has been designed by Electricians and it still has the springs!! Ok on a new ceiling.. I hate having to apologise for the damage they cause!!
No slight on the video as a whole... but those little intros are stealing the show for me 😂
oh jeez don't encourage them! 😂
Just out of interest, does anybody actually LIKE 4000k for in their home?!
Yes. In kitchen and bathroom only. Don't like anything above 4000k though.
I actually have 5000k in my home and is like a true daylight but not a common colour in the UK. Ordered from a manufacturer in China directly and would recommend if you are looking for a natural light
Missus prefers 3000 to 4000 in kitchen, moans bathroom is too bright as for a while one the three bulbs failed so she got used to a more subtle light in there. When I finally replaced it, she complained it is too bright now - but we had 3 lights in there for ages until one blew. I know but I got used to it she says
WOMEN - never bloomin' happy. Shower is still 12v LED until I get around to replacing it with GU10's. She'll probably moan about that too - jeeez
Be more impressed if all the options could be selected via an APP( we all love an APP)
Some people love an app - some still love a switch 😆
@@efixx Not a switch that's a PITA to get to to though.
Imagine the amount of rubbish made when they fail because you can’t fix them.. integral led fittings for gu10 all the way. Plenty of led bulbs to fit and easily replace it when fails.
First world problem being solved in a ridiculously over-complicated way. 1. Reduced lifespan (More components = reduced life span. Ditto complexity) 2. I bet the customer won't stop changing their mind just because you have installed the unit and then scratched the paint taking it out to try another setting.
It might have a use as a single display unit so that customer can see the effects before choosing which to go for in a non-adjustable and cheaper unit. Not impressed.