Alternatively, you can reach into the analog domain and perform a double reamping, reversing the phase on the speaker the second time. Then, in the mix, reverse the phase of this altered path again to restore phase correspondence. The imperfections of the speaker's suspension work will introduce random differences in the signal and give a very natural stereo effect.
@@helmanfrow Yeah - this really works great for guitar solos that are difficult to re-record. The idea is not mine. The first to come up with it was most likely Ryan from Creative Sound Lab: czcams.com/video/lseasKnStrk/video.html
Double tracking is usually the best approach imo. Another nice method for getting a wide stereo image feel, is to duplicate or preferably double track, and pan each guitar track to the left and right as it is in this video. You could then send the verb/delay etc to a separate bus and hard pan to the opposite side of the image, to that of the corresponding guitar track. So for example: Guitar 1: panned left | Guitar 1's reverb panned right Guitar 2: panned right | Guitar 2's reverb panned Left
Yes! I have an old recording of a single guitar through the entire track and I’m planning on copy/pasting from other parts to create a faked double. Should work fine.
This is probably the best way I've seen anyone turn a mono guitar track into double stereo with such great results. I'm surprised nobody has come up with a plug-in using this method, in this day, and age. I think you've got something really special going on here, Kenny. Thank you for this
I believe Chorus pedals do this same thing (delay and detune, 2-16 voices) but plugins/pedals arent as customizable as building your own from scratch!! Very cool and special method indeed.
05:51 if you have 1 item or a glued item, you can also change the pitch by F2, choosing also the most suitable algorithm 😊As usual reaper offers a huge fan of choices 09:39 of course this is the best way ever
all your demo songs always sound great, I instantly loved this one once it started playing. And Im always glad and appreciate it when you upload a new video!
Kenny, thanks as always for your great tips and tricks! You have literally taught me everything I know about Reaper. In regards to this doubling process, one thing I have been playing with is quantizing the duplicate at 1% strength to get an ever so slight difference in the playback.
always great tips ! You can shuffle in new track, cut and paiste alternate parts of recording. Give some work, but in mixes with just one guitar is an another way
Goniometer is my new favorite word. Adding it to my monitor chain now. I used this last technique from this video, and techniques from your previous amp sim video (rather than going straight DI) when I made my latest video for Make Music Day's International Song Swap, which is up on my channel. It made a huge difference in danceability and overall vibe.
Thanks Kenny. When laying down tracks I normally use a different guitar or amp and play something a bit different when doubling... (I have 3 electrics, about 5 basses and a few amps, including Line 6 pod.. Tons of tones) 😁
Great video. Good for in a bind or fix situations but nothing replaces physically playing two parts - and trust me, I tried most options including what you have here ;) On this topic, coincidentally YT's algo fed me another Reaper content creators video yesterday on recording doubled guitars quickly and easier (than I do it now) that would make for a good video: a video specific to efficiently laying down doubled or multi part tracks. I will have to try his suggestions as I definitely am not economizing my time as well as I could be lol.
See also Reaper bundled plug-in JS: MDA Pseudo Stereo. Two modes - 'Hass filter' (i.e. simple delay offset) and a comb filter which sounds more natural than the Hass and doesn't phase if you sum the project to mono. Just stick it at the end of the guitar track effects chain and adjust to taste.
I'm not sure with Amplitude but with Bias FX2 you can split the input into two paths with two different amp sims and have them processed and stereo imaged on the amp sim plugin mixer. So if you recorded with only one path/amp you can re-amp with the two different amps panned left and right.
I play the parts so might use two different guitars - say, strat to left - Les Paul right, I have doubled them like you did there in the mix. I've also used different amps too - say Fender left- Vox right. I set the values about the same - but as the Vox is brighter than most other amps - I know it's been tested - I may lower the Vox and slightly add the Fender.
Thank you for the great video! I'd also like to ask, what plugins are you using for drums, bass and vocals? Because even without the guitar, this sounds like a professionally mixed song. Whereas I'm working on a song right now which has a drum loop from ezdrummer, a DI bass guitar, and a vocal track, recorded at a studio with decent gear, but it still sounds like a friggin' demo. What's the magic sauce that i'm missing? Would be great to know.
Great A/B examples - you can't beat doubling a part for real, however, I believe in the early days of Stereo (think Abbey Road and Motown) they used to put one instrument hard panned on one side (say guitar on the left) and then a 100% reverb for it hard panned on the other . They would then put another instrument on the opposite (say Horns panned left) and another reverb, 100% reverb, panned right.
VH1 was like this as well and Ed is on record stating several times how he absolutely hated this. But....given they were a 3 piece (with singer) they were very committed to recording from a live perspective so doubling wasn't in the cards at the time so Templeman / Landee did what they could.
Hi Kenny, I really enjoy your videos. I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I wanted to know if you could do a review of the MK Slider script. The videos I find on CZcams are incomplete and not explained as well as yours. Thank you very much in advance for everything you teach.
Hi Kenny Whenever i have a problem to solve on Reaper,or have a question or something like that,i always come to Reaper Mania. You explain things just in the best possible way and your videos are so helpfull. Thanks a lot for that! I now am going to buy a lap-top so i can record drums to my songs at the place where my drumkit is (at home i have an electric drum for making demos). My question; what would be the best lap-top i could possibly get for Reaper? Budget max 600 euro. Thanks!!
Always learning something new. Is there any practical difference beween the audio offset play option and the "nudge left or right" reaper function though? I've always used the nudge.
that has 'hit' written all over it Kenny..bit of retro synth maybe for some extra Blondie vibes...and I love the tip about the delay in the routing...I have stared at that for 10 years and I swear I have never seen that before haha..my wife says I have domestic blindness..shes right..even worse i have Reaper blindness lol. Wondering, in a future vid if you could go deep again with quantization, especially looking at the grid..and noone ever talks about triplets for shuffle beats ( like Peter Kris/jeff porcaro/blues)..how would you set up a click and grid for those types of beats in reaper. I know how to drum them but no idea how to fix them in midi..i use edrums. nothing ever is close to lining up on the grid, and it takes too long to eyeball stuff. i know there must be a better way, its something obvious i'm missing...damn that reaper blindness
Question: MIDI messages to control outboard guitar modelers ( helix) . What content of yours covers this. I am able to use android Audio Evolution to make the required MIDI messages to select preset and turn on /off effects , but the interface has a slider rather than numerical input to set the CC number and therefore its so sensitive to touch that it is aone-in-a-million crap shoot. I was only able to select cc12 once in an hour. Therfore , I would like to use Reaper to MIDI messages. Also I tried Steinberg Cubase AI 10 , not able to understand how to send MIDI messages at all but am able to use audio portions of program without any problems. Thanks
Thanks Kenny, as usual. I was wondering if fully L & R too extreme? Warren Huart (Produce Like A Pro) says he generally pans guitars 50% left & right and 70% L & R for choruses. He also puts the delay of the left feed to the right (and visa versa). Delays of 30 n 60ms. Any thoughts?
If I wanna use the exact same tone with Amplitube, can I use only one instance of the plugin for more than one track, so I don't need to load many instances of the plugin with the same tone? You know, like I do with Addictive Drums for the drum kit? If so, how would I do that?
If you want to add some time based effects like chorus, delay, reverb to double tracked guitars later, so you bus both and put effects on them together?
If you’re getting hit by the same thing I did, then sometimes the route gets hidden in the track list. You can see it in the mixer if that happens. I can’t remember where the setting was that restored it to the track view (there’s a lot to learn in Reaper)
Kenny, this yellow play cursor (?) in the vid is actually quite the thing I miss about Reaper. I'd like to give the standard play cursor a bit more thickness and another color. Care to tell us how this is done? Thank you sir, and thank your for your effort you put into these videos!
Preferences > Appearance > Play Cursor Width Actions > Show Action List > Show Theme Tweak > Play Cursor color & fill mode found on cockos forum, thread t=173443#3
@@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP Thanks - been often times in the preferences, but this never caught my attention. Glad there is an easy way of tweaking this though. Man I love this DAW!
how come some people make two sub-tracks under a parent track and use those to double track? I came because I'm having trouble with that method, and you don't use that method at all. I tried to post to the Reaper Reddit but I can't even figure out how to post there either! ready to sell all my shit and forget about it
Any guitarist worth his salt would know that duplicating a track and panning left and right is the lamest most inexperienced thing you can. You ought to play the riff twice and each track pans left and right… this is weak Kenny
Hey kenny, are you getting a bit of laggy responsiveness with v6.80 (both midi and transport controls) I had to roll back to v6.79 to get rid of it. Any idea what might be happening?
Alternatively, you can reach into the analog domain and perform a double reamping, reversing the phase on the speaker the second time. Then, in the mix, reverse the phase of this altered path again to restore phase correspondence. The imperfections of the speaker's suspension work will introduce random differences in the signal and give a very natural stereo effect.
Cool idea.
@@helmanfrow Yeah - this really works great for guitar solos that are difficult to re-record. The idea is not mine. The first to come up with it was most likely Ryan from Creative Sound Lab: czcams.com/video/lseasKnStrk/video.html
I was just going to say that...
Someone watched Creative Sound Lab on CZcams🤡🤣
How do I do it in reaper without a DI box?
Whenever I search how to do something in REAPER you always have the solution, thank you so much for your tutorials Ken!
As a guitar player, thanks, didnt know there was a doubler built into track routing.. awesome.
Same. I had previously used the nudge feature to offset L/R guitars for demos (when I felt too lazy to track twice lol).
@@gziggy My issue with doubling is not so much the playing but the organizing. Gets messy and confusing fast if you're not careful.
Double tracking is usually the best approach imo. Another nice method for getting a wide stereo image feel, is to duplicate or preferably double track, and pan each guitar track to the left and right as it is in this video. You could then send the verb/delay etc to a separate bus and hard pan to the opposite side of the image, to that of the corresponding guitar track.
So for example:
Guitar 1: panned left | Guitar 1's reverb panned right
Guitar 2: panned right | Guitar 2's reverb panned Left
There’s also the method of chopping up one track and rearranging the pieces. (And it starts with “rea”).
Funny I was about to reply the same thing. Definitely a great method to use. Awesome vid again ƙenny
I do this a lot.. sometimes I record knowing that this is what I'm going to do, flicking to a different pickup or adding a pedal to different parts..
Yes! I have an old recording of a single guitar through the entire track and I’m planning on copy/pasting from other parts to create a faked double. Should work fine.
This is probably the best way I've seen anyone turn a mono guitar track into double stereo with such great results. I'm surprised nobody has come up with a plug-in using this method, in this day, and age. I think you've got something really special going on here, Kenny. Thank you for this
I believe Chorus pedals do this same thing (delay and detune, 2-16 voices) but plugins/pedals arent as customizable as building your own from scratch!! Very cool and special method indeed.
05:51 if you have 1 item or a glued item, you can also change the pitch by F2, choosing also the most suitable algorithm 😊As usual reaper offers a huge fan of choices
09:39 of course this is the best way ever
all your demo songs always sound great, I instantly loved this one once it started playing.
And Im always glad and appreciate it when you upload a new video!
Perfect! Was just struggling to add the final guitar part to a track, and this turns out to be the solution. Thanks again Kenny!
These amazing tutorials are one of the best things about Reaper.
Brilliant thank you! Helpful as always. Your videos are outstanding!
Kenny, thanks as always for your great tips and tricks! You have literally taught me everything I know about Reaper. In regards to this doubling process, one thing I have been playing with is quantizing the duplicate at 1% strength to get an ever so slight difference in the playback.
always great tips ! You can shuffle in new track, cut and paiste alternate parts of recording. Give some work, but in mixes with just one guitar is an another way
Great explanation! Kenny is THE MAN! Keep up the great work! I've been following you since your Pro Tools days.
Great tutorial! I'm learning about Reaper alongside learning about mixing and this answered my question and a lot more!
Great work as always buddy - learned heaps
Amazing tones here Kenny. Can you reveal how you did the bass guitar?
Incredible reaper tutorials well done!!! Simple and effective
Goniometer is my new favorite word. Adding it to my monitor chain now. I used this last technique from this video, and techniques from your previous amp sim video (rather than going straight DI) when I made my latest video for Make Music Day's International Song Swap, which is up on my channel. It made a huge difference in danceability and overall vibe.
Thanks Kenny . You are the man !
Thank you Kenny !
Thanks Kenny! Always good advice!!
Thanks Kenny, that amp sim sounds great in this track.
Kenny you a killer lol thanks, man !!!! rob !
Thank you Kenny
Brilliant Kenny. Please... Please... Please do some stuff on the Tukan plugins and guitar effects....
Thanks Kenny 🔥⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I like to just play a whole new guitar track so you don't have to emulate one.
Thnx Kenny 😉🎼👍🏽
Love that song.
Thanks Kenny.
When laying down tracks
I normally use a different guitar or amp and play something a bit different when doubling... (I have 3 electrics, about 5 basses and a few amps, including Line 6 pod.. Tons of tones) 😁
I use a different pick up position
Great tips! This song reminds me of something The Cars would have done! lol Good stuff. Thx Kenny!
Great video. Good for in a bind or fix situations but nothing replaces physically playing two parts - and trust me, I tried most options including what you have here ;) On this topic, coincidentally YT's algo fed me another Reaper content creators video yesterday on recording doubled guitars quickly and easier (than I do it now) that would make for a good video: a video specific to efficiently laying down doubled or multi part tracks. I will have to try his suggestions as I definitely am not economizing my time as well as I could be lol.
can someone explain something: I don't get why when attempting to pan the mono signal it wouldn't.
Where can i hear this song? Who m sings it? Love it! Oh, and the tutorial, as always is exemplary
czcams.com/video/HKvDa7ejVSA/video.html
See also Reaper bundled plug-in JS: MDA Pseudo Stereo. Two modes - 'Hass filter' (i.e. simple delay offset) and a comb filter which sounds more natural than the Hass and doesn't phase if you sum the project to mono. Just stick it at the end of the guitar track effects chain and adjust to taste.
Goniometer. Interesting tool. Thank you. Peace
I'm not sure with Amplitude but with Bias FX2 you can split the input into two paths with two different amp sims and have them processed and stereo imaged on the amp sim plugin mixer. So if you recorded with only one path/amp you can re-amp with the two different amps panned left and right.
another great way.. duplicate the track, pan left, pan the dupe right and put a compressor on one of them. (no delays)
I play the parts so might use two different guitars - say, strat to left - Les Paul right, I have doubled them like you did there in the mix. I've also used different amps too - say Fender left- Vox right. I set the values about the same - but as the Vox is brighter than most other amps - I know it's been tested - I may lower the Vox and slightly add the Fender.
Thank you for the great video! I'd also like to ask, what plugins are you using for drums, bass and vocals? Because even without the guitar, this sounds like a professionally mixed song. Whereas I'm working on a song right now which has a drum loop from ezdrummer, a DI bass guitar, and a vocal track, recorded at a studio with decent gear, but it still sounds like a friggin' demo. What's the magic sauce that i'm missing? Would be great to know.
Definitely learnt something there. I would just play 2 guitars but I could never get them perfect. Thanks
I have always found that tracking twice and using different amps and cabs is the best sound (for me)
Great A/B examples - you can't beat doubling a part for real, however, I believe in the early days of Stereo (think Abbey Road and Motown) they used to put one instrument hard panned on one side (say guitar on the left) and then a 100% reverb for it hard panned on the other . They would then put another instrument on the opposite (say Horns panned left) and another reverb, 100% reverb, panned right.
VH1 was like this as well and Ed is on record stating several times how he absolutely hated this. But....given they were a 3 piece (with singer) they were very committed to recording from a live perspective so doubling wasn't in the cards at the time so Templeman / Landee did what they could.
Sometimes I quantize one of the tracks
Hi Kenny, I really enjoy your videos. I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I wanted to know if you could do a review of the MK Slider script. The videos I find on CZcams are incomplete and not explained as well as yours. Thank you very much in advance for everything you teach.
If you play twice same riff you can cut it and cross join it to another track. Tr1 (1,2) Tr2 (2,1)....
FREAKING BRILLANT !!!! as always... Love it... Could it and would it be possible to set this up as a template?
Which part?
@@REAPERMania wouldn’t it be possible to set it up as a FX template or as an instrument track template
That was fascinating, even for a keyboard player. 🙂
You always bring us very nice songs along with the tips.
Are you the song's producer?
Hi Kenny
Whenever i have a problem to solve on Reaper,or have a question or something like that,i always come to Reaper Mania.
You explain things just in the best possible way and your videos are so helpfull. Thanks a lot for that!
I now am going to buy a lap-top so i can record drums to my songs at the place where my drumkit is (at home i have an electric drum for making demos).
My question; what would be the best lap-top i could possibly get for Reaper? Budget max 600 euro.
Thanks!!
Other idea for widening guitar are stereo chorus, ping-pong delay or different delay between channels, and reverb.
Always learning something new. Is there any practical difference beween the audio offset play option and the "nudge left or right" reaper function though? I've always used the nudge.
that has 'hit' written all over it Kenny..bit of retro synth maybe for some extra Blondie vibes...and I love the tip about the delay in the routing...I have stared at that for 10 years and I swear I have never seen that before haha..my wife says I have domestic blindness..shes right..even worse i have Reaper blindness lol. Wondering, in a future vid if you could go deep again with quantization, especially looking at the grid..and noone ever talks about triplets for shuffle beats ( like Peter Kris/jeff porcaro/blues)..how would you set up a click and grid for those types of beats in reaper. I know how to drum them but no idea how to fix them in midi..i use edrums. nothing ever is close to lining up on the grid, and it takes too long to eyeball stuff. i know there must be a better way, its something obvious i'm missing...damn that reaper blindness
Question: MIDI messages to control outboard guitar modelers ( helix) . What content of yours covers this. I am able to use android Audio Evolution to make the required MIDI messages to select preset and turn on /off effects , but the interface has a slider rather than numerical input to set the CC number and therefore its so sensitive to touch that it is aone-in-a-million crap shoot. I was only able to select cc12 once in an hour. Therfore , I would like to use Reaper to MIDI messages. Also I tried Steinberg Cubase AI 10 , not able to understand how to send MIDI messages at all but am able to use audio portions of program without any problems. Thanks
Thanks Kenny, as usual. I was wondering if fully L & R too extreme? Warren Huart (Produce Like A Pro) says he generally pans guitars 50% left & right and 70% L & R for choruses. He also puts the delay of the left feed to the right (and visa versa). Delays of 30 n 60ms. Any thoughts?
I like his idea for delays but for doubling I always go hard left and right.
@@REAPERMania cheers for the response. Have a great weekend 🤗
If I wanna use the exact same tone with Amplitube, can I use only one instance of the plugin for more than one track, so I don't need to load many instances of the plugin with the same tone? You know, like I do with Addictive Drums for the drum kit? If so, how would I do that?
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If you want to add some time based effects like chorus, delay, reverb to double tracked guitars later, so you bus both and put effects on them together?
great track like heartbeat city meets gogo's
Can someone Please tell me why I can't see Route on my tracks? How do I get Route on my tracks? Thanks
If you’re getting hit by the same thing I did, then sometimes the route gets hidden in the track list. You can see it in the mixer if that happens.
I can’t remember where the setting was that restored it to the track view (there’s a lot to learn in Reaper)
Kenny, this yellow play cursor (?) in the vid is actually quite the thing I miss about Reaper. I'd like to give the standard play cursor a bit more thickness and another color. Care to tell us how this is done? Thank you sir, and thank your for your effort you put into these videos!
Preferences > Appearance > Play Cursor Width
Actions > Show Action List > Show Theme Tweak > Play Cursor color & fill mode
found on cockos forum, thread t=173443#3
@@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP Thanks - been often times in the preferences, but this never caught my attention. Glad there is an easy way of tweaking this though. Man I love this DAW!
does this technic works with vocals?
I hate to say it but your DT guitar makes the track sound vastly better. It should have been originally mixed that way.
Or you can always do what RANDY RHOADS did and play a 2nd guitar track of the same 😁🤟
how come some people make two sub-tracks under a parent track and use those to double track? I came because I'm having trouble with that method, and you don't use that method at all. I tried to post to the Reaper Reddit but I can't even figure out how to post there either! ready to sell all my shit and forget about it
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cant you just duplicate the original wav file and put it on another track?
That wouldn't be stereo.
3:30
I tried to watch the video, but that song made my head hurt. Sorry Kenny!
They can't all be bangers. :)
6.29 i think something is fishy
Mda Pseudo-stereo JS plugin 🤔
is that a real song?
Any guitarist worth his salt would know that duplicating a track and panning left and right is the lamest most inexperienced thing you can. You ought to play the riff twice and each track pans left and right… this is weak Kenny
Just double your guitar recordings.
Hey kenny, are you getting a bit of laggy responsiveness with v6.80 (both midi and transport controls) I had to roll back to v6.79 to get rid of it. Any idea what might be happening?