#short explanation of elf immortality in Tolkien's works. Follow our podcast "Gossip Gollum" on Apple Music, Spotify, or whatever you get your podcasts.
I thought to write the same... but his explanation is better. "Their fate is tied to the fate of Arda" as long as the world exists they will too. When it ends... Men are supposed to join in the second theme of the song of the Ainur, and it's not clear what will happened to the elves. Men are born into the world. But at death, nobody truly knows where they go
@@raptor___ makes sense The hope for immortality, and the hope for a life with a god who seems to love his creation... (Even though Melkor's evil tainted that creation, he makes beauty out of that very dissonance)
Im not sure of this one. I think only the elves of great renowned were able to "reincarnate" your run of the mill elves didn't get that option. Unless I overlooked it somewhere. Glorfindel, the elf that slew a dragon or maybe it was a balrog, I forget, was reincarnated and was the elf that owned the horse that frodo rode in the flight to the Ford chapter in fellowship of the ring.
All Eldar get reincarnated at some point in time, if they’re slain in battle or die as a result of violence. Eventually even Feanor will be Released from Mandos into his body. Glorfindel died fighting a Balrog in defence of the survivors of Gondolin in the mountain pass. As a reward for his exceptional deeds, Glorfindel was reembodied and given Maiar adjacent “Spirit of Will” by Manwe Sulimo and was sent back to Middle Earth to serve the line of Noldorin royalty: ie Elrond and co.
Pretty much no elves got reincarnated "quickly" by any normal definition. The exception is Glorfindel who died fighting a Balrog during the destruction of Gondolin near the beginning of the First Age (FA 510) and returned to Middle Earth during the middle of the Second Age (~SA 1600) roughly 5400 years later.
Imagine how all the elves who died during the kinslayings react to meeting the Feanorians in Mandos' Halls again. While Tolkien probably didn't believe in something like double-death, I'm pretty sure Feanor and his sons still got to experience it first hand.
Peter Jackson's elves were so majestic. And then there is amazon's attempt, a fuckin joke
Jackson respected them. The books revere them and Amazon thinks they are moody human teenagers with pointy ears. It's the biggest lore sin in ROP.
A 3 DAY OLD ROTTEN SHIT IS BETTER THAN RINGS OF POWER
"Why do Tolkien's Elves live so long?" Because that is what he wrote.
Short answer: They are immortal.
I thought to write the same... but his explanation is better.
"Their fate is tied to the fate of Arda" as long as the world exists they will too. When it ends...
Men are supposed to join in the second theme of the song of the Ainur, and it's not clear what will happened to the elves. Men are born into the world. But at death, nobody truly knows where they go
@@DavidSanchez-eh1syi always had a theory that men after dying would go to the timeless halls itself and live with Eru lol
@@raptor___ makes sense
The hope for immortality, and the hope for a life with a god who seems to love his creation... (Even though Melkor's evil tainted that creation, he makes beauty out of that very dissonance)
I never thought I’d hear the term gamer analogy
Im not sure of this one. I think only the elves of great renowned were able to "reincarnate" your run of the mill elves didn't get that option. Unless I overlooked it somewhere. Glorfindel, the elf that slew a dragon or maybe it was a balrog, I forget, was reincarnated and was the elf that owned the horse that frodo rode in the flight to the Ford chapter in fellowship of the ring.
All Eldar get reincarnated at some point in time, if they’re slain in battle or die as a result of violence.
Eventually even Feanor will be Released from Mandos into his body.
Glorfindel died fighting a Balrog in defence of the survivors of Gondolin in the mountain pass.
As a reward for his exceptional deeds, Glorfindel was reembodied and given Maiar adjacent “Spirit of Will” by Manwe Sulimo and was sent back to Middle Earth to serve the line of Noldorin royalty: ie Elrond and co.
I like to think of the rebirthing process as a kind of spiritual performance review.
Pretty much no elves got reincarnated "quickly" by any normal definition. The exception is Glorfindel who died fighting a Balrog during the destruction of Gondolin near the beginning of the First Age (FA 510) and returned to Middle Earth during the middle of the Second Age (~SA 1600) roughly 5400 years later.
I'm not looking at the text right now, but I'm pretty sure Beren and Luthien returned pretty quickly as well.
@@YYZed Beren was a man and Luthien was half Maiar so their case was different
@@12jswilson yes.
FinRod was brought back k quickly since he did no evil. He chilled in Valinor with his Dad and his sweetheart.
Hang on, was that the same Glorfindel ? If so ,why did he not join the quest ?
Imagine how all the elves who died during the kinslayings react to meeting the Feanorians in Mandos' Halls again. While Tolkien probably didn't believe in something like double-death, I'm pretty sure Feanor and his sons still got to experience it first hand.
Very informative.
Tolkien was a time traveler apparently, what a gamer.
I’m convinced people will read this like a Bible thousands of years from now.
I think the only elf that was ever reincarnated was Glorfindel correct me if I'm wrong 😅
Elves can also just choose to die if they're depressed enough
Except Glorfindel who came back from Mandos even more powerful
Because their elf’s 😊
elves not elf's
@@hurin_thalion11 whatever
@@coolvlogs8650 if it wasn't an important distinction, I wouldn't have mentioned it
Makes Galadriels vengeance quest in ROP for her brother even more null and dumb.
Bur not all elves just go to Middle earth after death. I know only one that came back, Glorfindel
So... clean living
So did avatar copy this theme?
How to strip out Christianity and older wisdom and replace it with game theory and science in one short
Well done 👏 🙄
What nonsense are you spitting out?