2023 KTM 890 Adventure R / Welcome To My Nightmare / Initial Thoughts and Review
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2023
- I just purchased a brand new 2023 KTM 890 Adventure R. Why? Because the Yamaha World Raid is an EU product only. Because the Honda Transalp doesn't come with knobbies. Because 105 HP. Because cruise control. Because I like throwing away my money.
On the 890:
Vanesche Side Stand Dongle
Vanesche GPS Mount
PerunMoto Billet Rack - small
Rottweiler Performance Can Delete
Some cheap ass Chinese levers (just... no)
Doubletake Mirrors
Mosko Moto Nomad Tank Bag - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Immobilizer Antena. Maybe try a new battery? Stock one could be funky
Already done and it worked. Thanks !
@@JohnTYoungpin this comment for the viewers to know. Good review!
Instal a lithium ion battery and that issue will go
@@MarkRussell-vp4xd Done
When I get a non R version, swapping the stock battery out for a lithium ion battery will be done right away. That issue is not unique to KTM. @@JohnTYoung
"If the 890R was as reliable as a Honda, everyone would be riding one". Truer words were never spoken! Great review. Keep us updated, please, as things progress. I have 1,000 miles on my 23, no issues yet, though I worry about the bike stranding me if I take a big trip with it. But like you correctly stated, no other ADV bike has the features or performance to match this. The Aprilia might be closest, but the dealer network issue is very real. Keep up the good reviews, we appreciate it.
Thanks Ian, I really appreciate it. It’s partially your fault I went with the Adventure over the T7. LOL. But we’ll get the bugs worked out and then go Heavy Enduro on its ass.
No issues on my 890R so far either except for a leaking front tyre (wheel sealing, valve or tyre bead). I had a warning flash about fuel level sensor, that was fixed with a software update at 1000Km service and semed to change how the range are presented as well compared to friends 890R's that had not been on service yet. I did not have any problems with the 790R either before i traded it in for the 890. As said, keep it up and congrats to a very nice bike to ADV on. Cheers guys 🍺
Sorry boys, I wouldn’t own a bike that I would worry about leaving me stranded anywhere, let alone a big trip….I’ll stick to my T7. The thought of it leaving me stranded has never even crossed my mind.
@@JacoT7_ADV I'm on my 5th season with a 790/890 never even been close to be stranded. Not a missed single beat so far. I have full confidence to go anywhere with my bike.
@@Braapncamp I wonder if it’s an issue with where or when they were assembled then? I’ve had lemon vehicles before that I had to just cut my losses after the car (BMW) was in the shop every other week for a new issue every single time. But the fact that he said If you have one issue with these bikes, you should immediately take it back and get your money back or get another one, makes me want to steer completely clear of any KTM with electronics. I guess I just like the simplicity of the T7, even though that comes at the expense of the performance of one of these monsters! I’ve ridden my buddy’s 890 Rally, and it’s an absolute savage. I’m glad you haven’t had any issues, and hopefully never do. Keep it pinned brother!
I wanted a small light weight ADV bike to ride in my 60's. So I bought a KTM 390 in Dec. The throttle would just go to idle while riding. Sometimes 20 times in 10 miles. KTM replaced the bike. The new bike did the same. In the end, it was a bad throttle position sensor. It took me 3 months to get a working bike, but I am so happy I stuck it out. The 390, despite critics, is an unbelievably capable bike both on and off road. I am leaving in a week to ride the NMBDR with a friend. Stick it out, John, it'll be worth the effort.
But, come on KTM, get your quality under control. Maybe you need to fire some people and hire a Japanese Six Sigma expert! Seriously!
Thanks bacbladerunner !
My friend had a 690 and the hydraulic clutch failed and he had to get it towed. It was only a year old
@@JohnTYoung I’m rooting for you and the bike. I’m a total Honda Fanboy, but since they sort of refuse to build a “Halfrica” Twin, I’ve been looking hard at KTM. Currently, I’m on the fence between getting a bike that’s too heavy and too top heavy for my abilities off road (Africa Twin) or the 890/890r and worrying about reliability.
One last thing, did you ever consider the Base 890?
I want to like the 390 due to the amazing value. But as a very large human, I worry about its size and power and ground clearance off road. What level of off pavement do you ride with it?
@@waltermitty7452 Well so far mostly road because I'm still afraid it's going to die. LOL. But eventually 50/50 maybe. Long road trips to crazy dirt roads maybe.
Good luck John. Appreciate the honesty and I hope things work out for you and the new bike. Looking forward to watching your adventures!
They're coming! Thanks
You going about it this way really helps the rest of us out! And it will keep me comimg back to this channel because I still plan on getting one. And I do most my own maintenance to.
Get ready to spend a few more bucks to make it reliable...
I am looking forward to all your (mis)adventures on the 890 R. Despite the gremlins, I think it’s a fantastic machine. I also appreciate your candor and unapologetic no-nonsense approach to reviews, so overall I think this is a win for everyone.
Thank you Frank.
No no no no no. The problems make it NO LONGER a fantastic machine.
@@philg666v it’s still fantastic when it runs.
@@JohnTYoung Fair enough my man. I've spent 10 years as a technician for most major manufacturers. I just hate it for customers when something like this happens. And in my experience there is no school like the old school 👍 Trying to figure out root of the 890 immobilizer issue 🤔 my guess is either bad hard parts like the antenna or actual keys, or a wacked out ECU. Did your dealer pin point the ECU?
@@philg666v my dealer is useless. They reset an engine fault light and called it good.
The T7 owners - "Exactly"
Yup
@@JohnTYoung exactly why I sold my 790R and now own a T7! Not a single problem with the T7 except the smile that permanently stuck on my face!
dude t7 is best there is 2 years on my and not a single problem suspension is ok for what it is ktm is peace of sh..t nothing else else.
The suspension on my t7 is a DREAM compared to what I was on before, so I don't even notice it. It's all in what you plan to do with it I suppose . So far I click the settings up 7 clicks and am good to go for my weight and load out
i have my T7 for 3 Years now an it has 23.000 km on it, 80% Offroad...
I haven't had a single problem, not one 😂
It was fun watching your new video, John. I love your upfront and honest reviews about stuff. Glad you will be making more video's of your adventures to come.
There may be more swearing than in past videos... you've been warned.
LOL@@JohnTYoung
Hey John. Sorry to hear your troubles with your KTM. Hopefully you can get things sorted out and can enjoy it. Really appreciate your effort in making the 450L videos. Been some good info.
Thanks Matt
We appreciate you taking one for the team, I really want a 890r but I am skeptical, not wanting to be stranded 4 hours from a dealership. I f they were mechanical gremlins like the rear shock deal they had a while back, that I can fix but all the electrical issues I would be helpless without the software etc. I kept my Rl for short trips and took the Tenere pill for longer trips and after a few dollars and getting a feel for the altered weight load, single track isn’t bad. I look forward to future updates and videos
Thanks Robbie. The Team can pay me back when I’m stranded 4 hours from a dealer. LOL.
I bought a 450RL partly because of your videos but I went the T7 route for the second stable mate. I don’t plan to push the T7 as hard as some do, I guess. No jumps or fast single track is in the plans for it, just forest roads, mnt passes and highways. It handles the baby heads and ledges really well in stock suspension form and I don’t ever worry about its reliability. The ‘Whew!’ at the end of the video when it started was classic.
I’ve worked out a way to turn on the key with my fingers crossed.
Thanks for bringing us along on this journey. You are taking a significant risk not demanding a swap out for a different Adventure R. Personally, the Norden Expedition has my eye, but I can wait on the feedback on it. Godspeed! I hope you are "over the hump" on the number and variety of issues.
Oh God I hope so too. Thanks
Great review, I like how you are being honest about what's so great about the bike and what's not so great. Best comparison ever to that X we all wished we had. I just purchased an 890 Adventure and have yet to ride it and hopefully it'll be solid.
I’m sure yours is fine.
Stick with it John. I've been a very happy owner of a 2019 790R and it's been super reliable since new. Done 30000km so far and plan on keeping it. Fantastic travel bike and as you said ready to go out of the crate. Only mods I've done are bashplate, footpegs and tower brace. Also have a 450L in my shed that I'm setting up for adventure. Tasmania has some pretty tricky country for the big girls. Great work with your channel.
Thanks Jeff!
This sounds EXACTLY like my experience with the 790R - that's why I got rid of it.
I had about a dozen 1 hour ( 1 way) trips to the dealership and fiiiinally gave up on it. I always said "When it's running, nothing runs better.". But, it rarely ran because it was always at the dealership. So, I sold it.
Sad to hear that they're still persnickety. Do better KTM!!!!
Thanks Sumo
Great video John, thanks for all the info! I've got around 1,000 miles on my 23' 890 Adventure R with no problems.. yet. Keep the content coming!
Thanks Chris
Sorry to hear you are having such a bad time with the 890. I have a 2022 890 Adventure R and it's been great. I have blown two front tires riding it like a dirt bike in sharp rocks. I bought a 2022 450RL and I have been using your videos for advice this year. I put in a Rekluse last night and checked your channel first. Much appreciated! Hope you get the 890 straightened out!
Thanks Jason
Had the Aprilia Tuareg 660 and really liked it (tubeless tires, great electronics, carried its weight low) but eventually sold it after buying my 450L, (much easier to pick-up and I can take it places I wouldn't dare take a 450 lb. bike - I know my limitations), which I'm now selling in anticipation of the delivery of a KOVE 450 Rally (better road manners allegedly and has switchable ABS). Eventually, that will be sold as I try another bike yet to be manufactured. Trying new bikes brings me joy and I hope this KTM eventually brings you a great deal of happiness. I look forward to your videos of the journey.
I like your attitude Michael.
You'll love it, when it runs. Ready to Repair!
So so true
John, I followed your previous travels with enthusiasm and enjoyed all your cinematography & travels throughout previous trips. Sorry to hear you're having that problem with 890 I thought about purchasing an 890 R myself, but I've heard of these problems and that is what has made me reluctant. I do love the reliability of my T7, when I turn that key it always starts & it always sounds phenomenal!
I do love the T7 growl.
Great video. Honesty is always appreciated. Your analysis of why to buy the the 890 is spot on. It’s unfortunate that they seem to have such inconsistent build quality. Some people get them and absolutely love them with no issues (maybe they are tolerant of failures?), while others have problems like you are encountering. Did you consider the DesertX?
I sure did. Still am. But a Ducati can NOT break down in Wyoming.
Yippee, here we go with all new adventures on a whole new bike!! Honda should pay you handsomely for showing how great the 450L model is... and now KTM will likely get some great publicity! Ride safe, thanks for your content!
Not sure about KTM's "great" publicity, but THANK YOU!
I’ve got 600 mi on my new T7 and I’ve been thinking I screwed up and should’ve got the 890R. Hope it gives ya lots miles of adventure. I’ll be rooting for ya. Maybe next season I’ll get one
Thanks Chad. I thought giving KTM 4 years to perfect the Adventure would have been enough...
My buddy bought four 690's through the last 10 years and it's only his latest, a 2020, that gave him all sorts of headaches (all sorted now and fully kitted with the Aurora kit, a beast)
@@gxm164 have a 2010 690 here. the electronic updates really putting me off with these new bikes..
@@JinKazama92 The electronics are superbs, but unfortunately it seems we have to pay two prices for these nice gizmos: one in cash and one in the form of fear of the next thing stranding us out there in the boonies
Hey ; hope you get it straight soon! Looks like you are enjoying it ! Thanks for the video
I am enjoying it when I am enjoying it. LOL.
You put out some of the best video's over the years, thanks for that. Sorry you got a friday bike before the World Cup. See you out there Man
Thanks Double X.
Bad luck mate...
I went through the same process a few months ago and ultimately bought a BMW 850 GS and it has been brilliant. I'm over 70 and often travel solo to quite remote areas in Australia and the Beemer hasn't skipped a beat so far. The dealer also sold KTM's and advised me strongly (on the quiet) not to buy one for the reasons you describe here and more. He was so right cause at my age there's no way I want to be stranded on my own in God knows where...
That's wonderful you're still out there crushing it no matter what you're on.
Thanks mate!
Not sure I'd call it "crushing it" but yeah, I'd prefer to go out with a bang and not a whimper... @@JohnTYoung
I have 2023 850GSA and totally agree with you. Longer warranty, and there are two BMW dealers within 10 miles of home. Reliability is THE criteria for an adventure bike. All the performance stuff doesn't even come close as a criteria. After all, people have toured the world on CT90s.
I know the Africa Twin is a little heavier than the 890 and the T7 and not as much of a dirt bike, but I have a 450RL and an AT. The AT is still good off road, great for touring, and well it’s a Honda. I love my 2022 AT, and it’s been flawless. Plus it has traction control, cruise control, abs, lean angle sensors, wheelie control etc. all for 15k.
I know I know. Next time I won’t be such and idiot.
I’m looking forward to the new Transalp 750.
@@franksteer9568 I’m looking forward to your review! Let me know how it does on baby head hills
I hope things work out and you get the bike sorted John. I've had a '21 and now a '23 and they've both been great. A buddy has a '21 that has been a source of grief for him - little niggles to be sure, but still super annoying, so quality control seems a bit hit and miss for sure. I think once you and your dealer get through the teething pains, you should be golden! The ride is definitely worth it, mine puts a big silly grin on my face every time I ride it!
I am keeping my fingers crossed
Man, you’re awesome! I respect the honesty, hope everything works out for you!
Thanks AB!
I’m currently riding a DR650.. my next bike was planned to be a Yamaha T7 . But after drooling over the specs and some of the reviews of this new 23 ktm 890, I was starting to consider it over the T7 . Thr biggest draw to the T7 was reliably. I’m die hard yamaha fan from way back , but I do also own a ktm 300xcw.
But I have heard about a lot of the quality issues with ktms modern adventure bikes . Even still … the new 890 looked so impressive that I was considering it despite the quality issues . After watching this .. I’m back to the T7 . No ifs ands or buts . Yamaha all the way . Thank you for the honest review 👍
Of course Gord!
I follow Rideadv in Australia and he has a fleet of T7’s. In his recent vid he said that his bikes have logged 300,000 kms with not a single significant issue. That’s impossible to ignore.
@@MrEtnorb but do they have cruise control?
Wouldn't trade my DR for a T7. 😉
Great video and I'm currently looking at the 890 adv r or norden 901 expedition. Btw what mosko moto tank bag are you using on your 890?? Thanks
Its the Nomax. I like it
Congrats on the new bike! Beautiful machine ❤🎉
Thank you!!
Nothing wrong with buying this bike once you think through the pros and cons. Lots to like about the 890 platform like you said. Also lots of gremlins and issues you may have to deal with though. People that don’t want to risk having to deal with the electronic reliability issues should explore getting the simpler Yamaha Tenere or explore getting the new Suzuki V-Strom (but who knows when we will actually see that).
All true Urban
I was debating between the Africa Twin and 890 Adventure R. I had a Husqvarna 701 Enduro for 2 years and 22,000 Kms with absolutely 0 issues so I must have gotten lucky. I went with the Africa Twin since I was sure my luck would run out, lol. I think the 890 is perfect for your type of riding. The KTM traction control and off-road ABS are unbeatable and all other companies are years behind.
And that’s how I ended up here.
Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Better than the AT by all measures, and more comfortable for long-distance riding than the 890.
@@spikejnz ahahaha tiger better than AT, bitch please, i wasn't even considering anything from triumph. European reliability, and japanese lack of character.
I got 18 AT with dct, and she not wild,. suspension could be better esp if you like aggro offroad, but overall its fantastic, i sleep without worry cuz i know she will always start, and auto box is best thing in the world, especially offroad.
Also looks best.out of nowadays adventure bikes.
@@Angry-Lynx European reliability? Meaning ... I do oil changes and lube the chain and I'm good? If so, yeah you're right. And lack of character, nah I think not. This bike has all the character you could want. Don't take my word for it--just watch every review comparison between the AT and the Tiger 900 RP, and the RP comes out on top. Every. Single. Time.
I got an 18' 701e with about 12k and I've not had any issues except the key breaking off in the cylinder which was probably more my fault but the keys are cheap metal.
I forgot how much i enjoyed your videos, best analogy and description of that moto ever. Nice KTM earplugs too!😉
Damn ear plugs
Absolutely brilliant review!!! Hard truths that need to be addressed thank you brother 👊
u r welcome
As a new 1290SA-R owner i can say I have been fortunate in only having a leaky water pump gasket. My buddy on the other hand with his ‘23 890, hasn’t had the issue you have had but a couple non the less.
That said, these bikes are AMAZING off road and surprisingly good on road. It’s a crying shame such a great handling bike is surrounded by crap electronics that were bought from WISH. Best of luck to ya and I hope everything gets ironed out.
Thanks BigDave.
PS....this is why i still ride a DR650!😂😂😂
Some people like cassettes, some like to stream. As long as you're rocking its all good.
Congratulations on the bike. I look forward to seeing more.
Thanks Eric
You always strike me as a very patient guy, John, I feel for you. The scene in the video where the KTM is in the workshop it looks like a Harley mechanic - that must be a recipe for disaster! I'm sticking to my analog bike, as soon as there's a Canbus the problems seem to pile up...... Stay safe🕊
They service KTM and Harley so you know they turn wrenches a lot
So I’ve been a hater of the channel for some time now. Not really a fan of your content. But I applaud you for getting another Austrian BEAST. It's like all the other manufacturers are playing a never-ending game of catch-up. Clearly, power to weight is the ultimate rule. Forget about reliability; that's just a hoax made up by the media. 😄
Haters gonna hate Fynn825. Well, except for now. Sort of. I think?
@@JohnTYoung You are unhateable John. Nobody messes with the mountain man!
For those who ride 5 miles from home, you may be right. Reliability is no big deal. It’s just a made up thing. Some of us though ride 1000 miles or more away from civilization let alone a dealership. Let your days be about riding, not repairing your bike. Why is this so hard to understand?
@@JohnTucci-yw7gm Hmmm. My Honda left me stranded in Washington...
Bizarre. If you've been hating for a long time, why are you still here? Doesn't add.
Nice honest review!
I’m looking into getting into biking. Never had a motorcycle before. With all your experience, would you recommend a drz 400 as my first bike? Looking for something bombproof to explore north Idaho’s backcountry forest roads on. I hear the drz 400 gets good reviews for off-road and dependability as a first bike to own.
I will add the Ktm 690r and 890 look like a fun bike to play around on. I was looking at the Ktm 690r but have recently turned away from that idea given I’ve never owned a bike before and don’t want to spend that kind of money until I get more experience
DRZ400, CRF300, lots of good motos out there.
Great video - tell it like it is good and bad. Good luck and hope the bugs are fully sorted before the warranty is up.
I'm going to put stupid miles on this bike to make sure it's sorted.
Congrats on the new bike, I have no doubt you will get the gremlins hashed out. I own a Honda 450RL and bleed red but all bikes are fun and they all have their quirks. I'm really leaning towards an Africa twin for my next bike. I'm assuming you just didn't want that big of a bike? Wish the trans alp was available here in the US could have been a contender perhaps? Hard to beat the reliability of Honda and Yamaha. Either way I'm excited to see your videos on any one of your bikes. Thanks for you honesty John, I look forward to your future thoughts and experiences.
Yes, the AT is GS heavy and the Transalp doesn't come with 50/50 tires. Otherwise I be riding red again
You seem like a really nice guy. I like your video personality. That’s such a stressful thing to go through. I feel for you. I hope you get it all sorted out. I also hope KTM gets things sorted out. All the reviews I have watched have claimed that the KTMs are incredible when they are running properly. Last year I researched mid-sized ADVs to decide on what to purchase in the spring of 2023. I went back and forth between the Tiger 900, the KTMs and the Yamaha Tenere 700. In the end I made my decision based on the two most important factors to me: Reliability and large dealer network/parts availability. I bought a 2023 Tenere 700. I can understand why you went with the KTM. When running properly it is unmatched.
Sooooooo much fun
Honest review. Very saddening to hear your experience-hopefully it has sorted itself out by now - or you let it go. 'm going to pull the trigger on one soon! Wish me luck-sounds like I'm going to need it:)
Good luck!🍀
Hi John so sorry to hear of the problems you are having I always think theirs no screw up just different decisions, It's good to see someone else putting a spotlight on the issues, I sold my v-strom 650XT an my dads gsxr 750 k9 to buy dad an I two 390 adventures, we managed to reject them at 147 and 269 miles but it was a real battle.Then had the same problems with a Himalayan which went back at 500 miles an luckily I'd bought it at a dealer that did bmw's to so they did the right thing. I'm currently deciding whether to go back to Beemers or an Africa Twin now we are moving to Scotland. so no more trail riding hence my 300 rally going. It's such a shame as I think the concept on them are amazing and the tick alot of boxes keep up the awesome channel :) an I hope you get sorted with it
Thank you!
Hello Todd,
Good honest review, I like it. For whatever it’s worth, the place that installed your Tech Pack has an amazing master tech. We met that day. If you can’t get it sorted on your side of the hill they might be able to help.
790 guy
They did seem to know what was up. Had I known I would have bought the bike from them originally. Live and learn.
Thanks for sharing your ownership experience. Hoping you're able to resolve all of those electronic gremlins...
I am working on it. THanks
Sorry to hear you got a lemon man. I think you’re spot on with swapping the bike out for another one once you have problems. I’ve been pretty lucky with mine. However, I did find multiple wires in various places pinched. The entire bike runs through a CAN Bus communication protocol system, which is quite sophisticated, and makes me nervous if I ever have to troubleshoot it. I looked into buying a scanner, but they are ridiculously expensive. I do plan on trading mine in for a 2024 890 R model next year, assuming they get all the bugs worked out by then. Nevertheless, congrats with your purchase and I hope you get all the problems sorted out.
Thanks Brian
I always love your videos and was curious about that orange thing I've seen you on. I'm still growing into my 450L but I think a next step for me is the T7.
Now you know Stephanie. I just wanted faster with cruise control but still ridable in the dirt.
I love your channel because The 450rl set up like yours was was going to be my unicorn bike, that or the 890 adventure. Now, I get to watch you experience both. I will benefit from your troubles. You make great videos. Please, keep it up.
LOL. Anything for you Chad. Lemme know when you’re thinking about a Desert X.
I really am sorry for all your troubles though. I do hope it gets better. And of course, a desert x would be lovely, but I wouldn't want to impose.
Sweet bike. I like my crf450L. I drop my bike too many times to have one of those big heavy bikes! Looking forward to the videos.
Also putting an immobilizer on a motorcycle with a key is pretty crazy.
I plan on dropping this monster too. I'll be good friends with a chiropractor soon
Great and honest review! What exactly was the problem with the side stand? Would replacing the side stand sensor solve the problem?
The side stand sensor is the problem....
My 22 ktm 500 is endless fun, and now that you have an 890, you already appreciate their engineer's capacity to make bikes fun, it keeps surprising me. Like you, even with a $600 seat upgrade on my 500, it can be tough on longer road stretches. In the end, it's how much dirt vs how much pavement, bottom line. Since I'm in the dirt a lot, the 500 can't be beat, it's near perfect for my skill level. My buddy who's ridden his whole life is dumping his T7 and ktm 350 for a 500 after riding mine while we're out. He does long stretches including the continental divide. But, neither of us are looking to do hardcore pavement pounding. I hope in the end the 890 issues are worked out and you can bring some new content for us in your new riding style. Thanks for all the great videos so far.
Thank you and keep crushing it on that 500!
Sorry to hear about your situation with the new bike. I dislike keyless ignitions as well since my triumph speed triple has one. Best of luck in all your adventures. Cheers!
Thanks NoTw.
Do keep up your quest! its a amazing -fun- epic- bike! I feel for you but when everything will be fix ( and it will) happiness will be there!!!
Thanks Philippe!
John I relate 100%!! My 2012 Beta 498 was my "adventure bike" for a long time before purchasing my Super Tenere. I actually completed an Iron Butt on the Beta as well as an almost 1,000 mile Death Valley tour from home. For long days in the saddle the dual sports are pretty rough as you get older. That is a really nice bike you have!! I'm sure you will get it dialed in just fine. On to the next chapter to your adventures my man!!
Thanks! And who's getting older? LOL!
I'm looking forward to the rest of your experiences on this bike. My 890R did the same thing last year a couple times, once in the woods and wouldn't start. It was a fantastic ride, but I got rid of it because of that.
Fingers crossed
@@JohnTYoung same here. I’d love to buy a Norden Expedition but I keep having flashbacks. I’ll be watching your experiences. I got a 450RL and you were a large reason, hope you get this sorted out.
Over the years I've followed the repairs of all bikes and KTM was way up there with problems.
I'm on my 2nd Yamaha Ten.
Never been let down .
Good luck with your new bike.
Thanks Spartan
John, I switched last year from my 450L to a 2022 1290 SAR and love it. I have friends that have 890’s and they have also been great. You’ve definitely had some bad luck, please stick with it, it’s a great bike.
Also - good to see the Mosko tank bag - looks great. I’m very close to ordering one but one concern is that it is so packed with features that there’s no room for stuff - how do you find the bag to be?
I'm trying Clive
Thank you for your Video and the Effort - lets hope KTM will also notice this one besides all other Videos which show malfunctions. They hype this bike so insanely with all these Chris Birch Videos but in fact, the reliablity didnt change as it seems. My bike (890 R from 2021) has thankfully no problems but i had the 790 before and from todays view i have the feeling, that KTM is just not famous for proper bikes. Whereever you look and hear, everyone has some issues that are just hilarious on such a expensive bike.
Good Luck with your Bike and hopefully a bright future when all issues are fixed 🙂
oh and btw: what jacket do you wear?
Thanks! In this video I am wearing a REV'IT! Blackwater jacket
Thinking of buying a 890 Adventure and stumbled into your video (and channel!) while looking for good reliable reviews. Enjoyed your comments and had one grand chuckle about the stuck earplug. Now having second thoughts now about the 890 Adventure. I've heard about these issues and reading the comments really tells the story and provides some data points. I'm also considering the Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE. Any thoughts about that bike? Thanks.
The V Strom is about as exciting as the Transalp. Hence I got the 890. I guess you can be thrilled with the performance or the reliability, but not both.
John, I usually end up buying something after watching your videos. Thank goodness that is not the case this time! Sure has my wheels turning though! Thanks for the upload, looking forward to more.
Stay tuned!
@John T. Young Great Video. I followed your adventures on the CRF450L. I have a 450L and want something a little more road worthy as well. I'm SOOOO glad I just watched this video. I was going to purchase a KTM 890. Now I am not. But like you pointed out, there isn't another good option right now. I know I found this video late, it's August. Hopefully you've gotten all your bugs worked out and are having fun on your 890. In July I spent a week camping in Marble, CO and riding all over that area on my 450L. It was fantastic.
Video update coming as soon as I can get my dang computer working better.
Wow, love the honesty. Copy ,lots of fun and trouble in one. Trouble is the last thing you need when buying a new bike and riding remote solo, or even your daily ride. That’s a no KTM from me until improved. Thanks, Hope it all works out in the end for you.
Thanks!
Saw this video all excited to see you bought the same bike as me and looking forward for all the upcoming cool vids about it, then... ouch! What a sad start to a love affair. I say don't despair. This is by far the best bike I ever owned. Keep making vids about what is happening with you bike, document everything and force KTM to make it good on those 15k you gave them. See it as an opportunity to learn and create good content for your viewers. Once sorted this bike will serve you well.
KTM seems to have a bit of a quality control issue. Mine is perfect for now (500 miles in) and my buddies who bought maybe 10 KTMs in the last 10 years only had one with a bunch of problems, all the others have been very reliable. Seems you're playing a bit of a gamble everytime you buy a KTM. Not very reassuring, but if this can help, my buddy who bought all those KTM now loves his latest who had all the problems. It took a while to sort out everything, but he got through it and the bike is now as reliable as all his others.
Don't get discouraged, you draw a bad number, but it will get sorted and you will win in the end.
Cheers!
Thanks ADVersity!
Great vid mate I also have a 2023 KTM 890 adventure R. I have done 3000 km and have had no issues at all yet. I agree it’s a great bike I’m enjoying it immensely persevere with it. I’m sure it will all work out I’ve done two 3 day overnighters so far going through the Australian bush. Haven’t got a bogged yet but it will happen😂.
I think you Aussies got all the good bikes.
I was going to get a ktm 890, but i stopped at a yamaha dealership first. Seen the T7 in all her glory in my favorite color and decided right then and there that i had to have her. Had my t7 for about a month and i am absolutely in love with it.
Nice call
Firstly, it's great you're back! I've been slowly building an adventurised (I know, not a word) Husky FE501, primarily inspired by your 450L and half way through the project, I started lusting after the 890R due to the pain in the arse trying to get bits shipped from around the world for the 501.
I'm so glad you bit the bullet 'cause for now, I'll stick with the project as I can't get past the idea of being stuck in the middle of the Australian desert with a bike telling me to shove it (due to some kind of sensor failure). I'm at an age where I'd probably Sat-phone in some help, get helicoptered out while looking down to watch the brand new $27,000 bike I just set on fire out of spite!
I watched the guys at MAD do an Australian desert crossing without even a hiccup. They sure didn't cook lunch over the burning dead carcass of their KTMs.
@@JohnTYoung Yeah, they did a great job. Though I suspect that I wouldn't have access to the dealer, factory and multi-sponsor support they receive if I got in the stinker. After all, who the hell is Jonny?? (my real name btw). MAD is good, but not every bike can be the best ever if you know what I mean... :))
@@dizzyreckless5991 they do seem to come across "The Greatest Bike Ever" fairly often.
What was the solution to the immobilizer issue? It seems like a lot of them are fixe by changing the battery out (because the old battery was toast) or because of some wires broken...curious what happened with yours?
I changed the battery out. 👀
Superb video review, I laughed so much. You're absolutely right, I'll love to have one but I can't deal with the drama it may bring to my life.
Soooo much drama
Although I feel your pain it’s good that you are telling the world about the KTM ownership lottery that we have all heard of. I have recently thought about the plain Adventure as an option and Ian from BRM bought one for extensive testing and just released his first ride report today. It will be fascinating to see how he goes over the months. I was a KTM avoider until 2019when I bought a 500 to convert into an adventure bike but like you, dislike it’s road prowess and bought a 690.
For me, age is the No 1 factor so weight has become the main obstacle and the 690/701 is now my weight limit. Here in Australia you can get an electronic cruise control for it so with a modified seat and screen it’s half a thing on the road. Keep up the reporting as your style is pretty unique and very relatable. One other thing, the fact that Nomad sent that tank to you indicates your standing as the world’s pre eminent 450L owner.
I’ve never been called preeminent. I had to look it up. Thank you.
Thanks for the honest review. I agree with you, make sure you have a good local dealer with these modern complex electronic bikes. I went for the Ducati Desert X and zero problems with it. I've put some parts on it, all super easy. I did own a KTM 690 Duke and it was also no problems, but a simpler bike than yours. Good luck and have fun!
Fingers crossed!
Haven't had these issues yet, but thanks for the heads up.
Maybe you never will!
Sorry to hear the issues with your new bike. I have a 2022 890R i bought and so far no issues but it only has 1500 miles on it. Purchased as a leftover in January of this year. I am sure in the end the bike will be great as it really is a fun bike to ride and oh so easy for a bike off road dirt bike.
I'll keep plugging away
Hi John. Well, that was a surprise. Thanks for the CRF vids and I hope you keep doing some but I guessed you’ve maxed out on that bike. I’ll be interested to see what you do with the KTM but don’t think I’ll be buying one. There’s some vids up already and it definitely takes 2 people to get one out of muddy situations. I’ll be keeping my 450L. Best of luck with the improvements though! 👍
Surprised me too!
Same, just bought a CRF with JTY vids a vital endorsement
Planning to buy this bike. Exactly why i want it is because of the things you mentioned like suspension, weight, offroad capability,etc. But i wont if it has "unsolvable" issues. Hope everything settles down and you can get on riding.
I'm working on it
Thanks for the video, after watching this video and several other about the 890 I think I will not continue my search for one of this bikes as much as I want one.
I hear Ducati makes a nice off road worthy adv bike...
Sorry to hear about the problems you’re having. I have the same bike and love it. No problems at all. Only complaint is the windscreen buffeting.
I settle for that. Thanks Shad
Mr. Young, what jacket are you are wearing in this video, if you don't mind? Thanks!
REV'IT! Blackwater jacket
Kudos on your vid and review. Spot on. I upgraded from a 2020 790 Adventure to a 2023 890R. I had the Tech pack and heated grips installed. Love the suspension and handling improvements over the 790. Only glitch is that I'm getting more mileage out of my Motoz Adventure tires than my clutches. 11565 miles since February with at least 50% of that dirt. Just installed my 4th clutch pack while on the WABDR. I've checked the oil jet and drive shaft check valve and seem to be getting good oil flow. (790/890 clutches are a wet/dry clutch that rely on oil from a jet wetting them rather than sitting in an oil bath. I bleed orange. I'm using the clutch the same as my other 4 KTMs. I went with the Recluse Radius X (manual clutch) hoping to get better service. It lasted 672 miles. To Recluse's credit they are replacing the clutch pack under warranty. I'm continuing with the 890 trying to ride keeping the revs up (higher oil pressure and less strain on the clutch) and turning off the electronic assist when off-roading. Regardless, on any long trip, I'll include a spare clutch pack just like the spare tubes we carry.
Damn!
When it comes to bikes like this (heavy but long distance) buy the African Twin period. I've said this a billion times, always buy Japanese because they run forever and I do the same with their cars. I used to sell Aprillia, BMW and Ducati, those bikes were always in the shop for issues.
I so wanted a 450lb (or less!) Africa Twin but I couldn't find one anywhere.
Didn't you watch the whole video?! The sex is amazing with the 890!
@John T. Young My riding buddy so badly wanted the Honda 450RL, he had 4 deposits at different dealers and 8 months later he gave in and bought the 690, extremely tall bike he's 5'11 and tip toes rocking back and fourth just getting one toe to the ground. His first week the engine started leaking oil, gets that fixed, then his electrical starts going bonkers, gets that fixed and now he's battling ecu issues. He should have waited just a few more weeks
@@JohnTYoung Honda had their chance to create the perfect Touring Off Road bike in the 750, sadly they made it too much road, not enough dirt.
@@liferider13 exactly
Oh man, sorry to hear about all of the issues... I made the same decision, after going thru the exact same thought process. Fortunanly I got one of the good ones? Fingers crossed. Hopefully you can get things sorted with the 890, like you said, great bike when it's running.
I watched some of your vids looking for good news ! Thanks for the help.
@@JohnTYoung Wow... I did not expect to hear that... so cool... i've been watching your stuff for a long time now. Looking forward to your next videos, hopefulluy some great, trouble free adventrues.
I too went from a Honda to a KTM about 12 years ago and had nothing but problems at first. After working through the issues with the KTM the bike has been extremely reliable for the past 10 years. Don’t give up on the KTM.
I'm not. I got too much pride and money invested in the damn thing now. LOL.
You’re doing a good job John - I’m sorry for all youe troubles but you seem to take it with a smile. I have a T7 with Rally Raid suspension so I’m happy with it, but it’s heavy when it’s upside down in a ditch 😁 like all ‘middleweight’ adv bikes.
LOL. They're all heavy when they're upside-down in a ditch. Just yours will start right back up after you right it. The 890? Eh, 50/50.
Sorry to hear about your issues just bad luck, I have the 22 s model and it’s a great bike, ok I’ve had as few issues but so far nothing to stop me riding the bike. Very slight leak from rear damper which seems to have almost stopped! And rear brake binding which I think I’ve solved. My biggest problem is wind buffeting which I’m still trying to solve.
But always a little something.
I am sorry for your plight and appreciate your videos. I was going to buy an 890 today, but after watching your video I changed my plans. At 66 years old I feel that life is too short to spend it broken down in a hard to get to place, or at a dealership service shop. I have a 2014 KTM 500 XC-W with no kickstand switch, an ignition switch that can be bypasses, but always works, a kick starter plus battery. It sucks that KTM has to make the 890 with so many points of failure. They need to learn the basic KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle. Thank you for saving my time and frustrations.
I hear the Desert X is pretty reliable....
Man i hope you get it sorted it's a super cool bike
Thanks
I give you credit for trying something new and being positive. I think that bike is a unicorn, but I wouldn’t trust it on a trip. Look forward to you adventures to come.
Headed to the ORBDR in July so I got to break everything there is to break.
I didn't have to take your advice because I had already done it! Bought a '22 890 ADV July of 2022. I didn't have nearly as many electrical issues as you do but I couldn't get around the bike either not starting or only starting on 1 cylinder multiple times until I'd blip the throttle. And it didn't matter if the outside temp was cold or not. The bike didn't even have 200 miles on it. Butted heads for over 2 months between the dealer and KTM. They finally bought it back.
I found a different dealer selling another '22 890 ADV and bought it in October of 2022. It's got over 2,000 miles now and starts on 2 cylinders every time! It really depends on the manufacture date with KTMs. Their quality control sucks and it shows but it really is the best fun midweight ADV bike out there!
I like a happy ending...
John I’m new to your videos - and really enjoyed this summary. Could you point me towards why you didn’t go with the African twin? You mention modifying a Yamaha, why not take the Africa where you want it similarly
Mostly just tonnage. It’s a great bike that carries its weight well. The 890 carries it better.
Great vid John, love your analogy's. I have a Ducati Desert Sled that's never missed a beat, was going to have a look at one of these today as want an all rounder. But poor reliability would do my head in.
Mine too
Have u tried to turn the handlebar to the left? on my 2023 was broken cable that works while handlebar is on left side. ne cable from ktm solved the problem with the immobilizer
Not on purpose.
I couldn't stop laughing at your analogy with the chick you use to date. Wonderful review Thank you. I'm really sorry you're having a hard time with this particular bike. Hope the dealers give you some kind of compensation for your troubles. Good luck and hope to see more content like this from you soon.
See, you know what I’m talking about.
Sorry to hear about the issues. My 2020 R has been problem free for over 19,00 miles to date ever since they replaced the faulty brake switches at the 600 mile service. Must have gotten a good one, lol. Two things I hate so far; I had to pay $150 last week for an update of the firmware/software and the valve inspection. Even more, the actual shim swapping to adjust the gap is a royal PITA having to remove the cams and work in tight quarters, plus so much to take apart and re-assemble to do it! I'm glad that on average it is every 2.5 years with the miles I average.
At some point when the awesome performance is less important I'll probably go with a Japan, inc product and dial it back a bit.
Ya, I’m not looking forward to any more dealer visits.
I bought a new 890 and the only issue I've had is a weird turn signal fault. Only happened once. Have 1500 miles with fingers crossed. Freaking great bike just hope KTM will get you sorted John.
I'm not holding my breath for KTM to do anything. They already have my money so...
I would bet the key issue is either a weak battery, or a bad connection somewhere. My 2013 tiger 800 had that issue for awhile... in the beginning I thought it was the RFID keyfob for my office that was interfering, as sometimes separating them for a bit before trying to start the bike would let it start normally. After being stranded one day, i went to disconnect the battery, only to find the negative terminal was loose and there was enough resistance in the weeks prior to heat up and melt the terminal. Once that was fixed the problem never came back, and my work keys didn't interfere with the triumph key. It might not be your battery negative, but maybe a bad ground elsewhere?
I’m 99% sure it IS the battery. New video to follow….
Thanks Travis.
Wow, such a bummer, sorry. I was looking for a T7 for about a year, happened into my local dealer and fell in love with a slightly used 901, I know some folks had some issues with their Nordens ( your bikes cousin). In 3 months I put 3100 miles on it, never any glitches or hiccups, unfortunately Apr 30th a distracted 18 yr old smashed into me at a red light, smashing my 901 and my dreams. I've been watching tons of 890 videos lately, lots of happy riders reports . I certainly hope your bike turns around for you, I just hate to see people patronize a company with their hard earned money only to have problems. Keep up the great videos.
Thank you.
Welcome to the world of KTM ownership. As an owner of an 890 Adventure R and have had the same issues and one that you have not experienced yet, the KTM battery munching issue (battery going bad, on my 3rd in 18 months) I would recommend three things. A Garmin inreach , battery Jump Starter and a good friend with a truck. The KTM bikes are like a drug, you know you should not mess with them, but once you do your hooked. Looking forward to your next review.
Check, check, and check. Looks like I’m a prepared KTM owner! Yay. LOL.