Just before Mosley got caught with that big right hand, the camera shot from behind Forrest told the story. At 5:50 in that round, you had a view looking over the shoulder of Forrest. He had been throwing long right hands and barely missing until then. He threw another at 5:51, and you could see how dangerous those shots were for Mosley. Shane was very close to Vernon, and he must have underestimated his long reach. Shane had his hands down far too low, and it looked like it was a matter of time. I saw that, but I just thought Mosley must know what he's doing, even though it looked like he was wide open. Mosley really got hammered, even more so when he was hung on the ropes. It's a miracle, and an indication of how tough Mosley is, that he survived that round. When he bounced across the ring to the opposite corner, he got nailed again by some hard shots. I think that overall in that round,....Mosley took 4 shots that were knock out punches for some guys. Can you imagine, for example,......... Amir Khan getting hit with those shots?
Say i with me ladies and gents...STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Mosley, for all his prodigious skills, was tailor made for Forrest's straight shots and 1-2 punching. Because while Mosley came at you with aggression, it was controlled. Conversely, a guy like Mayorga was bad for Forrest because he was wildly unpredictable and had the ability to turn Forrest in to an undisciplined fighter instead of the measured tactician that dismantled Mosley twice.
You know it man! I'm a big Mosley fan myself but DAMN! Forrest had him hurt BAD! if the round would've gone on for like 5 seconds longer Shane would've been stopped.
am i the only one who realized that when forest hit shane with that right uppercut he was sleep, but then when forest threw that left hook he woke him back up???? VICIOUS!!!!!!!
Whatever happened to boxing, its never on T.V. most of the good fights are pay per view. The only place you see it on cable is ESPN Classic and Friday night fights. We need more fighters like Forrest, and more fights like this.
Shane, in my opinion, is still one of history's most exciting boxers. Yes, I know--he tested positive for some kind of PED. Still, I think he was an amazing warrior in the ring.
Its difficult to say about the Hall right now. Shane Mosley is pretty much the only big name on his ledger. The losses to Mayorga, generally thought of as a club fighter, the gift decision again Quartey and the injuries he faced throughout his career will make it difficult to vote him into the hall, at least on the first ballot.
1.the head butt, 2.Mosley was in Forrest's range with his hands low and turning orthadox. 3.He never saw the right hand comin(or the uppercut that put him down). That's what caused the beat down in round 2.
Shane Mosley has a granite chin. This was the only time I can recall EVER seeing Mosley actually hurt in the ring. I've seen him bothered a little bit by Cotto, but he was actually hurt here. damn near out on his feet.
@JuanMiguel204 Probly true but there were other big fights were out there for him at that point, what I'm saying is that he fought him anyway later & fought everyone else that was great from his era, what more can you ask of a fighter
what is so damn messed up is the great warriors are leaving us and not these not so great fighters, and not that anybody should die early but u get the just of what i'm saying. he died how he lived....fighting. R.I.P forever champ!!!!!!!!!! AMOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
(laughing)....GAAAAHHT DAAAMN!! Shane did got damn sitting cartwheel wen he got up. You know it's bad wen u see a ninja take that deep ass breath....this was hilarious!!
@EvanderHolyfield7 Because sometimes good technical fighters struggle against people who have a wild, unpredictable style. It also has to be said that Mayorga at welter was a huge puncher.
@goonookanooka He was forced to take the fight after facing three gimmes of HBO. He had to choose between Forrest and Winky. In fact Vernon had baulked at the initial offer (this fight was scheduled to take place at the end of 2001), leading Mosley to negotiate with Winky instead. Winky wanted even more money on the basis of him being the champion (@154). Mosley was forced to go back to Forrest with a better offer. This was supposed to be a unification but Forrest was stripped during all this.
No, I meant in between 140 and 154. Last 140 fight was Gatti. Then Mitchell - 147. Judah - 147. Baldomir - 147. Three fights at 147. Then 154. Oscar fought Floyd differently than Floyd fought Marquez so that's a moot point.
RIP Vernon Mad props to Shane for not getting KO'd in rd 2. After the first knockdown he was hit by about 10 solid flush punches that would have put most fighters to sleep, but he hung in there
Vernon is a great slugger, but Shane the better boxing skills and faster hands by far. He caught Forrest with a SOLID right with 1-min. left in round 1 - Forrest wobbled. Shane was mentally defeated once Forrest landed the big right. The second fight - in my opinion - was MUCH closer than the judges scorecards reflected.
@TheProjektcc I always liked Forrest and may he rest in peace. Forrest did have the style to give Mosely trouble and I dont know what would have happened if the head butt did not occur. Mosely still may have lost. All I am trying to say is that at this point in their careers Mosely was on a different level.
freakin forrest man, lol he's got great power, kudos for mosley tho, anybody else would have been out cold with that right or the combo against the ropes he took
LOL@ 7:43. Shane was out on his feet and the whole minute on his stool. One thing I noticed was the referee seemed to try and give shane all the breaks he could like at 6:51 including helping Shane steady himself at 7:27 and not counting all the way till 8 which he should have since there was no saved by the bell rule. R.I.P. vernon Forrest.
@goonookanooka Agreed. He took bad fights, against guys like Forest & Cotto, etc who were VERY hungry for glory. But that's Mosley. He just takes the fight as soon as it's offered. I never heard of a fight that Mosley turned down. But it was mismanaged. Someone should have been there to say, NO! You beat De La Hoya, you got the chips, you got the pocket Aces, you can fight whoever you want. It's the century old boxing story of the pure fighter mentality in boxing that hurts their career.
As close to 100 as he could be. The Marquez that won 9-10 rounds vs Pacquiao last November would lose 11-12 to Mayweather at any weight at any time. The SKILL disparity was too great. In that case, size, strength, speed etc etc do no dot matter
I'll tell u 1 thing, Shane fought this guy 2 more times which tells u somethin about him. He tried to get a rematch with everybody he lost to which earns respect to me
@goonookanooka I agree with you on most of what u said. Personally i think it was a good fight for Shane. I believe that if u are pvp #1 u should be fighting good fighters in there primes that are in your same weightclass. It seems that when these guys get to the top they start cherry picking ( yes i mean floyd and manny). Shane was the best and he tested his skills against a good fighter.
@goonookanooka At least he was prepared to take the risk, so credit to him for that. There are many fighters who spend their lives building up their records whilst fighting nobody of substance.
Floyd is a natural lightweight, junior welterweight at most, so yes, of course it counts as a bigger challenge. Cotto outweighed him almost 20 pounds on fight night! However, I would personally like to see him take on Andre Ward at 160, if Ward could get to that weight. That's the only challenge for either man.
I always thought Forrest got the worst of the head clash because he actually got hit in the face but I believe neither guy was THAT affected by it, they both tried to milk it initially.
Two things, Floyd's size- reach and height won't be a problem for mosley. Floyd unlike forrest, is not an agressive boxer who comes at you with combos. To the floyd fans, when was the last time you saw floyd aggressive with his jab or combo? Floyd will need more than just counter pot shots to keep shane off of him.
@matrixlone Thats not what u said, u said "ima stick with shane i predict floyd by decision on all cards or shane by tko?? if u was gambling they'd look at u and say?? so who are u picking??? cuz u make no sense!
Nah, Smoger (the ref) is as honest as they come. At 6:51 he wasn't letting Shane lean on him, he was wiping Shane's gloves after they rubbed the canvas. Otherwise it would be getting grit into Forrest's eyes the next time Shane hit him. If he was trying to cut Mosley a break, he wouldn't have called the second KD a KD, would have just said that Shane stumbled. Refs do that all the time. RIP Vernon, good fighter, good man.
I'm not saying size NEVER matters, I'm saying it didn't matter in this particular fight. Look at the fight. I don't think there was any point except maybe one moment where he had Marquez cornered where the size played a factor. It's the same with Floyd, he can't make 154. In his two fights at that weight, he's weighed 148 and 147 on fight night, respectively. Remember, Floyd jumped from 140 to 154 in three fights also.
I've always said that mosley never belonged @154. Winky imposed his size with his deadly constant jabs and one twos combo AGGRESSION! He also used an impenetrable (peek a boo) defense that made it almost impossible for mosley to score. That is what beat mosley twice...not running around the ring. While winky's a tech boxer, he's a different style than floyd. Floyd's a counter puncher and would need to be as agressive as wink or vernon to beat shane not JUST running, countering, and pot shots.
@MASSIECJR I agree with you, however I think you are giving Shane a little too much credit. Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic boxer and could very well win this fight if he lands a big shot. Problem is, he is going to have to find his range and find it fast or else this is going to be a long night for him. Just because Mosley is taller and has a longer reach doesn't really mean shit. Look at Corrales, he was taller, stronger, and got destroyed. If Mosley finds his range though, look out.
Mosley, an ordinary fighter that happens to have some extraordinary skills.
RIP Vernon Forrest. I'm still amazed that Mosley did not get stopped in this fight.
Wiston Laguna Mosley was a great fighter.
Is it just me but before every major upset i watch on here theres an eerieness to the crowd and announcers
R.I.P Vernon, You were a great and down to earth prizefighter, thanks for the great fights and memories.
Vernon was so damn good.
GREAT QUALITY! RIP CHAMP...I'm Mexican and I was rooting for him against Mora.
Just before Mosley got caught with that big right hand, the camera shot from behind Forrest told the story. At 5:50 in that round, you had a view looking over the shoulder of Forrest. He had been throwing long right hands and barely missing until then. He threw another at 5:51, and you could see how dangerous those shots were for Mosley. Shane was very close to Vernon, and he must have underestimated his long reach. Shane had his hands down far too low, and it looked like it was a matter of time. I saw that, but I just thought Mosley must know what he's doing, even though it looked like he was wide open.
Mosley really got hammered, even more so when he was hung on the ropes. It's a miracle, and an indication of how tough Mosley is, that he survived that round. When he bounced across the ring to the opposite corner, he got nailed again by some hard shots. I think that overall in that round,....Mosley took 4 shots that were knock out punches for some guys. Can you imagine, for example,......... Amir Khan getting hit with those shots?
RIP. Vernon Forrest ......vernon wanted all the smoke 🔥🔥🔥
that uppercut was amazing wow.
damn dude vernon got him that was real nice 2nd round. RIP VERNON
he should be in the hall of fame he was that good a fighter he had the boxing skills to match his heart and may he rest in peace
I have never seen this fight before .... wow !!! RIP Forrest
RIP Vernon. He was a great man in and out of the ring. Look him up!
Really incredible achievement by Mosley to survive the later part of round 2.
wow that was some nasty beating Mosley got in the last minute of round 2!!
RIP Vernon Forest You were a great champ and a better Human..
Say i with me ladies and gents...STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Mosley, for all his prodigious skills, was tailor made for Forrest's straight shots and 1-2 punching. Because while Mosley came at you with aggression, it was controlled. Conversely, a guy like Mayorga was bad for Forrest because he was wildly unpredictable and had the ability to turn Forrest in to an undisciplined fighter instead of the measured tactician that dismantled Mosley twice.
He was a good man. Forrest is living someplace else now. He had Shanes number, in Shanes prime no excuses...Forrest was the real deal!
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. i never saw mosley get rocked like that. he was looking like apollo in rocky 4
awsome round 2
That right hand at 6:07 was so hard that Mosley didn't even go down.
I have never seen Mosley be clocked by so many punches like he did on the First Knockdown in my life.
How do you know?
same here, that was the meanest combo i ever saw that put anyone down
He died fighting. It's in his blood. God bless him.
Great fighter and champ- R I P vernon. SAD time for boxing
You know it man! I'm a big Mosley fan myself but DAMN! Forrest had him hurt BAD! if the round would've gone on for like 5 seconds longer Shane would've been stopped.
im so sad arguello, gatti and now him forrest was a great fighter imagine if he never had the shoulder injury rip forrest
Jesus, that right hand at 6:06 was vicious! RIP Vernon...
am i the only one who realized that when forest hit shane with that right uppercut he was sleep, but then when forest threw that left hook he woke him back up???? VICIOUS!!!!!!!
R.I.P.
RIP VERNON FORREST a real G
Mosley never ducked anyone his whole career, I still rate him as a top welterweight when he was in his prime.
Whatever happened to boxing, its never on T.V. most of the good fights are pay per view. The only place you see it on cable is ESPN Classic and Friday night fights. We need more fighters like Forrest, and more fights like this.
R.I.P. Vern
Best comment in the world.
Shane, in my opinion, is still one of history's most exciting boxers. Yes, I know--he tested positive for some kind of PED. Still, I think he was an amazing warrior in the ring.
this was a good the second fight was just as good
Its difficult to say about the Hall right now. Shane Mosley is pretty much the only big name on his ledger. The losses to Mayorga, generally thought of as a club fighter, the gift decision again Quartey and the injuries he faced throughout his career will make it difficult to vote him into the hall, at least on the first ballot.
agree 100%
1.the head butt, 2.Mosley was in Forrest's range with his hands low and turning orthadox. 3.He never saw the right hand comin(or the uppercut that put him down). That's what caused the beat down in round 2.
RIP
IF ANY1 KNOWS WHERE THE SECOND FIGHT IS I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF SUM1 COULD TELL ME
Shane Mosley has a granite chin. This was the only time I can recall EVER seeing Mosley actually hurt in the ring. I've seen him bothered a little bit by Cotto, but he was actually hurt here. damn near out on his feet.
@JuanMiguel204 Probly true but there were other big fights were out there for him at that point, what I'm saying is that he fought him anyway later & fought everyone else that was great from his era, what more can you ask of a fighter
what is so damn messed up is the great warriors are leaving us and not these not so great fighters, and not that anybody should die early but u get the just of what i'm saying. he died how he lived....fighting.
R.I.P forever champ!!!!!!!!!! AMOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIP Vernon Forrest
(laughing)....GAAAAHHT DAAAMN!! Shane did got damn sitting cartwheel wen he got up. You know it's bad wen u see a ninja take that deep ass breath....this was hilarious!!
@EvanderHolyfield7
Because sometimes good technical fighters struggle against people who have a wild, unpredictable style. It also has to be said that Mayorga at welter was a huge puncher.
Rip champ vernon forrest
RIP CHAMP!!!!
There's no telling how great Vernon Forrest could have been if he didn't have injuries.
If he's a good fighter then Shane would take the fight. Period.
That's what made Shane a real man.
@goonookanooka He was forced to take the fight after facing three gimmes of HBO. He had to choose between Forrest and Winky. In fact Vernon had baulked at the initial offer (this fight was scheduled to take place at the end of 2001), leading Mosley to negotiate with Winky instead. Winky wanted even more money on the basis of him being the champion (@154). Mosley was forced to go back to Forrest with a better offer. This was supposed to be a unification but Forrest was stripped during all this.
What about Ali, Frazier, and Foreman?
No, I meant in between 140 and 154. Last 140 fight was Gatti. Then Mitchell - 147. Judah - 147. Baldomir - 147. Three fights at 147. Then 154.
Oscar fought Floyd differently than Floyd fought Marquez so that's a moot point.
Mufuka Holdin on for dear Life lol
RIP Vernon
Mad props to Shane for not getting KO'd in rd 2. After the first knockdown he was hit by about 10 solid flush punches that would have put most fighters to sleep, but he hung in there
rip vernon forrest
You can hear Shane Mosley say "damn" as the ref tells him he's cut.
@BOXINGFANFAN I seen they said that cut might of got to him
I forgot how fast Mosley was in his younger lightweight days.
I think the turning point was that initially headbutt.
I think the little uppercut did the most damage
Vernon is a great slugger, but Shane the better boxing skills and faster hands by far. He caught Forrest with a SOLID right with 1-min. left in round 1 - Forrest wobbled.
Shane was mentally defeated once Forrest landed the big right. The second fight - in my opinion - was MUCH closer than the judges scorecards reflected.
lol, walking to the wrong corner....priceless
@TheProjektcc I always liked Forrest and may he rest in peace. Forrest did have the style to give Mosely trouble and I dont know what would have happened if the head butt did not occur. Mosely still may have lost. All I am trying to say is that at this point in their careers Mosely was on a different level.
You're right, no one really knows for sure. It's all hypothetical
freakin forrest man, lol he's got great power, kudos for mosley tho, anybody else would have been out cold with that right or the combo against the ropes he took
LOL@ 7:43. Shane was out on his feet and the whole minute on his stool. One thing I noticed was the referee seemed to try and give shane all the breaks he could like at 6:51 including helping Shane steady himself at 7:27 and not counting all the way till 8 which he should have since there was no saved by the bell rule. R.I.P. vernon Forrest.
forrest awesome
@goonookanooka Agreed. He took bad fights, against guys like Forest & Cotto, etc who were VERY hungry for glory. But that's Mosley. He just takes the fight as soon as it's offered. I never heard of a fight that Mosley turned down. But it was mismanaged. Someone should have been there to say, NO! You beat De La Hoya, you got the chips, you got the pocket Aces, you can fight whoever you want.
It's the century old boxing story of the pure fighter mentality in boxing that hurts their career.
"this time everybody went wooo"
As close to 100 as he could be. The Marquez that won 9-10 rounds vs Pacquiao last November would lose 11-12 to Mayweather at any weight at any time. The SKILL disparity was too great. In that case, size, strength, speed etc etc do no dot matter
@jkim204 so now that we've all seen how mosley got destroyed beyond belief, what do you have to say about mayweather now? :P
1st man to beat Sugar Shane.
a more extended boxing career would or could have made him an all time great.
rip
You probably haven't seen him fight at LW. In this fight, he has decent head movement. He just lacked footwork and focus.
I'll tell u 1 thing, Shane fought this guy 2 more times which tells u somethin about him. He tried to get a rematch with everybody he lost to which earns respect to me
RIP Vernon Forrest. Im trainin his brother at my job right now. Stop these senseless acts of violence.
@goonookanooka I agree with you on most of what u said. Personally i think it was a good fight for Shane. I believe that if u are pvp #1 u should be fighting good fighters in there primes that are in your same weightclass. It seems that when these guys get to the top they start cherry picking ( yes i mean floyd and manny). Shane was the best and he tested his skills against a good fighter.
@goonookanooka At least he was prepared to take the risk, so credit to him for that. There are many fighters who spend their lives building up their records whilst fighting nobody of substance.
@MrRocketstar47 i agree
Floyd is a natural lightweight, junior welterweight at most, so yes, of course it counts as a bigger challenge. Cotto outweighed him almost 20 pounds on fight night! However, I would personally like to see him take on Andre Ward at 160, if Ward could get to that weight. That's the only challenge for either man.
I always thought Forrest got the worst of the head clash because he actually got hit in the face but I believe neither guy was THAT affected by it, they both tried to milk it initially.
Two things, Floyd's size- reach and height won't be a problem for mosley.
Floyd unlike forrest, is not an agressive boxer who comes at you with combos.
To the floyd fans, when was the last time you saw floyd aggressive with his jab or combo? Floyd will need more than just counter pot shots to keep shane off of him.
@goonookanooka
Cos he's a warrior, simple as that, fought anyone, anywhere.
man that headbutt looked intentional
Not really. They're just like SRL, Hagler and Duran if you'll notice.
@matrixlone Thats not what u said, u said "ima stick with shane i predict floyd by decision on all cards or shane by tko?? if u was gambling they'd look at u and say?? so who are u picking??? cuz u make no sense!
Nah, Smoger (the ref) is as honest as they come. At 6:51 he wasn't letting Shane lean on him, he was wiping Shane's gloves after they rubbed the canvas. Otherwise it would be getting grit into Forrest's eyes the next time Shane hit him.
If he was trying to cut Mosley a break, he wouldn't have called the second KD a KD, would have just said that Shane stumbled. Refs do that all the time.
RIP Vernon, good fighter, good man.
It's the first fight.
ok, mr boxing genius. Exactly what about Forrests' style makes him a "classic boxer"?
I'm not saying size NEVER matters, I'm saying it didn't matter in this particular fight. Look at the fight. I don't think there was any point except maybe one moment where he had Marquez cornered where the size played a factor.
It's the same with Floyd, he can't make 154. In his two fights at that weight, he's weighed 148 and 147 on fight night, respectively. Remember, Floyd jumped from 140 to 154 in three fights also.
At least I think so.
i think he'll make the Hall despite the losses...,mostly due to his work with kids on top of his workman record...
I've always said that mosley never belonged @154. Winky imposed his size with his deadly constant jabs and one twos combo AGGRESSION! He also used an impenetrable (peek a boo) defense that made it almost impossible for mosley to score. That is what beat mosley twice...not running around the ring. While winky's a tech boxer, he's a different style than floyd. Floyd's a counter puncher and would need to be as agressive as wink or vernon to beat shane not JUST running, countering, and pot shots.
Rock-Cotto
Paper-Margarito
Scissors-Mosley
Damn, Mosley got his 50 Cent lookin ass owned from pillar to post.
Damn I seen refree stop a fight on what Forrest was doing to mosley. I am suprised this fight wasn't called a tko win for forrest.
@MASSIECJR
I agree with you, however I think you are giving Shane a little too much credit. Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic boxer and could very well win this fight if he lands a big shot. Problem is, he is going to have to find his range and find it fast or else this is going to be a long night for him. Just because Mosley is taller and has a longer reach doesn't really mean shit. Look at Corrales, he was taller, stronger, and got destroyed. If Mosley finds his range though, look out.