Professor Ali Ataie discusses the Crucifixion and the Qur'an, and Tahrif
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2021
- Ali Ataie is a professor of Arabic, Qur'an, and Comparative Theologies at Zaytuna College, the first accredited Muslim College in North America.
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Ma sha Allah, He's literally one of those people who when they talk you can't help but listen to them and don't want them to stop talking.
Thank you by.Paul
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So what's your point ?!
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تنويه~صدق الله العظيم عند الانتهاء من القراءة بدعة ولا أصل لها ، لكن يستحب قول :
روى النسائي في "السنن الكبرى" (10067) ، وفي "عمل اليوم والليلة" (308) ، والطبراني في "الدعاء" (1912) عَنْ عَائِشَةَ رضي الله عنها قَالَتْ: " مَا جَلَسَ رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَجْلِسًا قَطُّ ، وَلَا تَلَا قُرْآنًا، وَلَا صَلَّى صَلَاةً ، إِلَّا خَتَمَ ذَلِكَ بِكَلِمَاتٍ ، قَالَتْ: فَقُلْتُ: يَا رَسُولَ اللهِ، أَرَاكَ مَا تَجْلِسُ مَجْلِسًا ، وَلَا تَتْلُو قُرْآنًا، وَلَا تُصَلِّي صَلَاةً إِلَّا خَتَمْتَ بِهَؤُلَاءِ الْكَلِمَاتِ؟ قَالَ: نَعَمْ، مَنْ قَالَ خَيْرًا خُتِمَ لَهُ طَابَعٌ عَلَى ذَلِكَ الْخَيْرِ، وَمَنْ قَالَ شَرًّا كُنَّ لَهُ كَفَّارَةً : سُبْحَانَكَ اللهم وَبِحَمْدِكَ، لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنْتَ، أَسْتَغْفِرُكَ وَأَتُوبُ إِلَيْكَ وصححه الألباني في "الصحيحة" (3164).
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جزاك الله خير .. وزادك الله من فضله 🤍
Please have him on again in the near future. I could listen to both of you talk all day.
OMG I did not want the discussion to end, thank you Paul, much love
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IOne dies not have to say peace be upon him after every mention of a ancient character or modern.
It’s simply opinion to say the Koran is the final authority or whatever his claim was.
I do appreciate the overall Information .
Dr. Ataie is really cool! May Allah protect him and give him success in this life and the next.
Here is your Dr. Ataie, the humiliation !
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@@channel-sil LOL, that's Hasumo who prays to Mary and the saints as well as the trinity.
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No we don't pray to St.Mary but Saints are praying for us they praying with us [Christians] to God, You are making false accusations. Now you however, muslims are worshipping false prophet Mohammed + Kabbah black stone + satan called allah.
@@channel-silYou guys call her the mother of God and pray the hail Mary, it's blasphemy and I'll agree with the protestants on that. We love Maryam, but we don't elevate her up there with God like you guys do. Also, the dead cannot hear you, they are in the barzakh.
Tell your sumo wrestler to go back to sheikh Uthman and stop backbiting so much, he is a coward and a hypocrite, and all who are this blasphemous and rebellious will taste the fire of hell for eternity. A person who worships people is destined for hell, their arguments are null.
@@channel-sil pagan lol
Time stamps
00:00 Paul introduces Dr. Ataie
01:24 Topic of discussion: Jesus's crucifixion in light of Quran
6:37 Dr. Ataie Quran's dialogical relationship with previous scriptures
9:31 Contention within the NT about Jesus's crucifixion
15:57 Possiblities of events surrounding crucifixion
21:00 Significance of the crucifixion and suffering
26:42 Types of messiahs in Old Testament
31:06 Human sacrifice in Old Testament
32:52 Paradox between consuming the blood of Jesus and commands of the Old Testament
34:53 Influence of Middle platonism and hellenism on Christian theology
38:45 How Quran discusses the previous scriptures
43:21 Does the Quran endorse the Gospel? (discussion of diatessaron)
47:35 Imam Fakhruddin al Razi's view on taking rulings from the Gospel
50:23 The Quran clarifies the dissonance in Gospel
52:07 What would Bart Ehrman say about the Quran (wwbesatq)
57:02 Impossiblilty of Quran fabrication vs historical fabrication of hadith
58:02 Orthodox corruption of Scripture
1:03:37 Quran's invitation to reflect upon it
1:05:03 Meaning of Muhaymin in Quran
1:09:19 Closing remarks + advice
Jazakallahu khairan
So glad Paul got Dr Ali Atai on, hes a one in a million, Diomond even within the organisation he works within, such a rare talent and well needed academic to the world. You could see how Paul was listening attentively at times. Rarely is Paul silenced to student mode, very telling.
I think we all need to be "silenced to student mode" because the more we learn, the more we realize how much we don't know. Our finite, limited minds can never comprehend everything about God.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 the english word for what you are inferring is called contemplation.
It comes from Latin
Con means with
A template a model or a design to match duplicating correctly.
It also refers to getting away from the dunnah taking the time to reflect on why we are really here.
These important words hint that there is a greater reality waiting for those who, take the time to con-template and reflect on why we are really here.
To mirror the correct way our our nature was de-signed to be.
The true sig-nature Our Creator gave to human nature.
His mark that we are His on us that we can accept and submit to or deny and reject even though every aspect of life is crying out this greater truth Is Real.
Sign-nature
@@anonamos3287 Thanks. I appreciate your comments.
Enlightened.
Wow, wow wow….. extreme gratitude Paul for interviewing such a fascinating scholar Dr. Ali, you can’t imagine how he provided me with answers to many questions I had… thank you for allowing this.. thank you for spreading knowledge and many many thanks to your distinguished guest… pls arrange for a Q & A session with him…. 🙏🙏
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@BloggingTheology big time…. And also learnt a lot from it 🙏
Absolutely amazing and so clearly argued. Refreshingly brilliant. Please bring Dr Ali who is a giant in academia back again for a further conversation.
You have just under 50k subscribers .... I pray you get to at least 500k and more asap
I don't think God cares about numbers. I believe He looks at the hearts of people.
Not trying to insult Islam or Muslim believers. PEACE
@@johnbrzykcy3076 correct!
Some prophets like Nuh preeched for centuries almost a thousand years but only had a few followers.
This was such a good discussion! Professor Ali is so knowledgeable about the scriptures and he can articulate them well. He seems very humble too. I would love to see more discussions with him in the future Paul. Very insightful and enjoyable video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yes, MORE!!
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@Djamel Joe I'd say the bible is a corrupt source of information, not to be beleived nor to be disbelieve what it says. The Islamic way of approoaching such subjects is to measure what the bible says against the Quran, if it agrees we agree, if it differs we go with what the Qur'an says. The keepers of the Bible, as the Quran says, "expose some of it and hide some" and they "twist their tongues with the book so that you reckon it is from the book when it is not of the book" and "they take words out of their due context".
Dr Ali Ataie is the best 21st century Biblical scholar...
Better than Zakir Naik?
@@a.e.5477 Dr Zakir Naik is not a scholar.
Brother zakir Naik is not s scholar! He is a Muslim apologetic.there is a big difference
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It's close between him and Bart Ehrman tbh.
We're privileged to meet mr. Ali ataie. Thank you Paul.
First time I’m happy with someone saying thank you to someone called paul😂
@@DaneshRehman-rb4fo good one 😂😂😂
What a level, from both the host and the guest !!
The best interview so far Mr. Williams, may God guide and protect you ❤️
here is the funeral service for Dr. Ataie ! Here is your Dr. Ataie, the humiliation !
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@@channel-silActually liar nothing happened ur Sam is liar who has been exposed badly many times the whose wife left him and he lied about her. He doesn’t know anything about Islam nor his own fake religion.
This is the First video i have watched on this Channel, It Helps me to grasp Biblical and Quranic Concepts better. Thanks to Both of You.
Wow! Lovely to meet him!
Thank you, Mr. Williams
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Islam is the truth
This was a fantastic discussion. I wish it had gone on for longer! Please try to bring him back for more talks, Paul.
will do!
Brother Paul, your channel just keeps getting better and better! You have proven that you are a genuine seeker of knowledge who tries to spread that knowledge with humility and sincerity. So much respect for you!! Plus I love Dr. Ataie so this is just a double gem!
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@@BloggingTheology No pressure by the way, we don't expect you to get the pope on, just generally you always provide such valuable information, so keep it up! (Or don't, we understand you have a life too :D). Either way, we appreciate you
You said it all..
May Almighty God protect you and always guide you to reconciliation with truth and what is right where ever it is ❤️
@@axis2312 May Allah guide us to learn and spread this knowledge for His sake!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Ameen
That was fascinating, a profound, highly learned, sophisticated setting out of the Muslim position on Christology and the biblical texts.
here is the funeral service for Dr. Ataie ! Here is your Dr. Ataie, the humiliation !
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@@channel-sil come here.
...this Islamic scholar is quite well read and brilliant, however as the Quran itself says of the crucifixion ..."...and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (al-Nisa 143:157)...what I heard was many Muslim differing views, many conjectures, and no certain knowledge...
@@anarchorepublican5954 The trouble with the Qur'an is its late date; it doesn't add anything of significance to the New Testament narratives historically, which are all clear on the fact that Jesus was executed by the Romans and died. And that he was raised from the dead.
@@jamesupton4996 ..well the late Quran does tells us the baby Jesus spoke from his crib...the simple answer which Prof Ataie only mentioned in passing is Muhammad(Pbuh) was clearly influenced by spurious apocryphal works and heretical christian sects seeking refuge from persecution outside of the Orthodox Byzantine Empire...Docetics in particular..
You and Dr Ali will be remembered as among those who contributed greatly as Muslim thinkers, in the era of 21 century.
its not what the ppl think firstly, its what Allah thinks that matters. May Allah guide us!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 salamualikum
Mr. Paul is the scholar and imam we never knew we had. Huge respect to you Sir.
Brother Paul, salaam alaikum to you both, what an incredible podcast this was!! What a shame I missed the live stream. This is surely to remember wallahi!! This is the best of the best second to none next to reverend Keith Moore. Please have a second follow up about all the prophecies about the prophet Muhammad in the old testament and new, Dr Ali Ataie is absolutely fantastic with his knowledge and mastery of the Hebrew language and understanding is scriptures. Jazak Allahu Khairan
I was just 11 mins into the video and I just wanted to comment first before continuing: I know this is gonna be good and will glue me in my seat.
Brother Ali Ataie is simply a powerhouse of knowledge, Mashallah. May God preserve it for him and grant him a lasting memory.... Brother Paul is also another powerhouse who has, due to the nature of his work, knowledge pouring in from many different streams, Mashallah. May God grant both individuals sucesss in this world and the next!
Well done for getting one of the heroes of Dawah - much better than some of the kids at SC.
Both are dakwah in the different site. Sometimes Paul down to SC too.. Allah bless all of They both and us too.
@@matthewpaulson6497 Assalamualaikum. You actually missed the whole point. We certainly do believe in the scriptures sent down on Moses, David and Jesus (Peace be upon them all) but we do not believe in that which was written by Paul, Luke, John or Babylonic scriptures of Old testament. So there is a big difference. Allah claimed that they changed the words of God for their own. Now some morons like David Wood would bring verses which say Allah's word cannot be changed out of context in opposition to these claims. Now what you will find after entirety of the Holy Quran is that those scriptures were to Man as guardian but for His last revealation He Said "And I will be it's guardian ". And that is true and proven, see videos of this channel about it like on Birmingham's Quran parts found. Hoping you will read The Holy Quran entirely and also view the Bible and Quran in a scholarly view and decide you Path of Life (Bcoz Islam is more than a 'religion')
@@matthewpaulson6497 39:20 of the video you can clarify our understanding from there
Very nice discussion brother Paul and Dr. Ali Ataie. Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it
This was an excellent discussion that I didn’t want to end. I could happily sit for hours listening to you and Dr Ali. Please do another one with him and pick another subject.
I am thrilled to say Dr Ali will be back on Friday June 25th
For an irritatingly impatient person like me to keep listening to both of you guys speaking for more than five minutes should tell you something about your insightful conversation...... Very very impressive conversation of two academics yet very accessible for a lay man like me...... Keep the good work Paul and may Allah accept your deeds and forgive your sins and light for you the path to him the almighty with his guidance.
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Thank you gentlemen for this wonderful interview , may God bless you.
Glad you enjoyed it
In arabic language prespective, if something muhaimen مهيمن over another thing, that mean if have a control over it or spread over. It can be said one team muhaimen over the other team, which mean they have absolute control/advantage over it
Wow, this was great. Excellent guest, again ;)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Paul, I always wondered what you could do if only Arabic was your mother tongue, and I understand the frustration that results from understanding the meaning of a word without grasping its essence, it is an ongoing dilemma for me with my English language. So please accept my humble contribution in explaining the essence of the word (muhaymen). If you consider the meaning (dominant) this will be easier than the foot note you read, examples:
Haymana on the trade of the country …… dominated the trade of the country (this is past tense)
Politically muhaymina state …….politically dominant state ( this is current situation)
Muhaymina share … dominant share ( this is current situation)
The strong boy yuhaymino the weak one…. The strong boy dominates the weak one (this is present tense)
In the Quranic context is means dominating, controlling and preventing it from going astay.
I hope that was helpful.
thank you
Nice .
I wish Dr. James White would have dialogue with Dr. Ataie...that would be amazing.
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@@channel-sil shamoun is the biggest joke on the planet
James white is scared of muslim scholars with wisdom. I have seen him discussing with only the easy ones not the great thinkers. A mediocre mind can never appreciate a great mind
Ma sha allah. Great to see him. As always excellent job br.Paul :)
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I am so delighted to follow blogging theology...Sheikh Paul knows what believers want to know.
So glad I found this channel and both of you.
Dr. Ataie is so knowledgable and hats off to you for creating this platform👍🏻
Phenomenal session. Keep up the extraordinary expansion of our minds and hearts ♥️
Thank you! Will do!
This is one of your best videos brother Paul!
Glad you think so!
I am really excited to see more conferences like this one. Thank you Paul and Thank doctor Ali . I learned a lot of things from you guys .
*wow!love it paul!this guest is amazing.very open minded with no bias explanation.please invite him more often.*
This has to be watched a few times over!!! Truely instructive!! 😲🤩💯
I actually watched from start to and as I found the discourse really went on went nicely. Thanks Brother Paul.
What an enlightening discussion .. I wish that Paul can have some “shorts” focusing on some very interesting key facts mentioned here … as always we should recognise the amazing effort by Paul.. keep going !!
This is the 2nd time I watched Dr. Ali Ataie in your channel. Turn out this was released a month ago, I missed it.
Thank you so much for having him Paul. I really enjoyed it, I can listen to you both for hours. There are so much to learn.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank You very much Paul for this interview.
Im glued watching this program to the end, what an interesting discussion and Prof. Ali Ataie is a man of knowledge yet very humble person, one will never be bored listening to his insight. Thank you for having him in BT. Jazakallah khayr.
He returns later this week!
🤩❤️❤️ Simply wow! May Allah Bless u’ll. As always Brother Paul’s efforts are humongous. Thanks
Thank you for introducing Dr. Ali, surprisingly I am one of the ones living I. Cave, I had no idea about him, since this interview, I can’t get enough of his videos. Very insightful.
I wish some of the videos had better audio, but better then nothing.
Thanks
Hey Mr Paul. I think you should make video with Dr Sami Ameri. He's a very knowledgebal person and holds a PHD and can speak 5 languages (arabic, english, french, greek, hebrew). I'm sure you'll like him
I agree with this.Dr Sami is one of the most knowledgable Muslims out there.
@@yishif1244 of course
A very beautiful program on essential topics
Which matters in the style of our lives . Well presented. Thank you .
May Allah provide us with more scholars on the level of these two gentlemen. Ameen. So enjoyable, so beneficial.
Jazakumullahu khair, both to brother Paul and brother Ali, this video is so benefiting. Wassalamu'alaikum...
Such an amazing conversation 👍
Great discussion with such a learned scholar like Dr. Ali.
Thank you Paul. For your a great video.
You are very welcome
Nothing is more amazing than a great teacher
Dr Ali is top of the line
May Allah bless him and his family
And love and respect for Mr Paul
The college of Zaytouna Mashae Allah
The president is Hamza Yusuf.
May Allah bless them all.
Interesting video
hamza yusef allows ext. batini sufi bida thats the problem.
Why are you spreading lies. I teach at Zaytuna, and I’ve never heard any Sufi Batini bida you talk about.
This is the second Ataie talk I have seen on blogging theology - what an amazing man. He is an encyclopaedia within himself
Thank you Paul for bribing him on
I have read his book now “ in the defence of Islam. A super read
Thank u both Paul and Ali
OMG Paul this was such a great discussion, learnt some new things from this . Thank you for inviting Dr Ali to the channel, definitely he's a knowledgeable man with great sense of understanding. Surprisingly I noticed Dr Shabir Ali also holds some kind of similar position regarding Qur'an 4:157. That's something interesting. Wish to see Dr Ali and other professors again on the channel. May God bless you 😇.
Dr Ali will be coming back soon..
We need more of Dr Ali Ataie, Thank you brother for inviting him on your channel for such an insightful discussion.
He is back on 22nd of October!
May Allah reward you both and make your endeavorus for the deen fruitful
Truly informative!
Love love love the whole discussion....very profound @Paul Williams
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A very interesting program! Enjoyed it very much. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very enlightening discussion, enjoyed it very much, do it again plz :)
Masha Allah Professor. Wonderful presentation.May Allah bless you both.
Great! You got a right person Dr Alie Ataie. He is one of the best Muslim thinkers we have on this era
Loved loved loved it! Thank you!
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Jazakallah khair,
Thanks for sharing multitude of knowledge
It is the mark of learned person to speak about Contradictory ideologies accurately and unbiasedly while not accepting the said ideology.
Glad to see ..
Dr Ali & paul sir 🤩..
Praise the lord ( saw ) & G-D our lord ( Allah swt ) !!
Salom 🕊🕎
The Lord is not Rasulullah
A very clear explanation is not confusing. I watched it many times, thanks!
I hope that the discussion would not end. Enjoy so much from both of you.
Ali Ataie is the Ghazzali of our time. One of the most important comparative theologists.
I love you both
Wow I grew up listening to this guy and his debates
I've observed Paul that your getting about 120 new subscribers every day maashaAllah.
Thanks for that
This is my second time watching this; feels like the first time! So interesting and informative.
Brave Paul, exhausted and unwell, he courageously keeps fighting on! God bless him!
BAFS
Al tahir Ibn Ashoor senior theologian and expert in rhetorical aspects of the quran was a graduate of zytouna mosque (university). he is the author of famous Tafseer Al Tahreer Wal Tanweer. the resulting work of his 50 years in the field. Truly a treasure. I refer to it regularly.
The Quran 3:75 mentions, from among practicing Christians and Jews those who are very honest to the extent that you can entrust to them big amount of money and others whom one cannot entrust money not even a penny. In the same context of dishonesty there are honest Jewish and Christian groups and dishonest groups. In page 293 of his Tafseer of The Quran 3:79, Al Tahir Ibn Ashoor says after mentioning Jewish twist of the Torah in 3:78 which is a type of tahrif, Allah went on to mention the tahrif that the Christians had. Twist is a verb that should be in the past but The Quran brought the present tense to mean that the manipulation is on-going. End of statement by the author.
Looking forward to listen to hil again.amazing!
First, Paul, thank you for the videos and a unique way of connecting 'pixels' for the larger picture. It is a pleasure also because your videos are a great guide to right literature.
I'd like to make a short contribution to the topic, although I'm not a scholar or theologian, and with full appreciation of Dr. Ataie and to his extensive knowledge and experience and to the many fresh facts he presented that mean a lot to me.
So, beside of aspects that Dr. Ataie analized, maybe there's intention of The Holy Qur'an of letting the Christians to have rulings or judging upon themselfes on the basis of their scriptures they have are connected to the principle of not forcing anyone to religion (Islam) and to also Islamic principle of allowing other traditions/religions in Muslim state to establish their own courts or judges for especially private, contractual, business and family matters making a system to resolve disputes among the members of their comunity (in this case Christians). This system of separate parallel legislations was, as far as I know, used by the end of Ottoman empire, and it is pretty unimaginable in a modern standardized western law systems formed in a one-size-fits-all manner. Logically, there is a question, why the Qur'an is specially mentioning gospels of the Christians if the own-ruling-right is a more universal right of nonmuslims? Maybe, the message is what Dr. Ataie said (especially about an invitation to critical examination) in combination with the message to Muslims not to forbid or not to discriminate people (Christians) who are committing obvious shirk out of all the best intentions, maybe it a mercy to Christians as I understand and to some Christian priests who are considered to be nearest to Muslims because they are humble.
I hope things I said make sense, and that the real meanings aren't lost in translations and understanding because I'm not a native English speaker, nor I speak Arabic.
Wish you all the best.
Ohh wow this is a surprise mashallah
Hey Paul, when reading verse 5:48, you gotta read next verse 49 to understand what Mohayminan contextually means :)
How come this Chanel who gives us invaluable knowledge hasn’t got millions of subscribers.
Because only Muslims agree with this channel.
Really interesting conversation.
Yes... very interesting but just makes me ask myself more questions! But that's okay. God understands our questions and doubts, right?
Informative encounter on crucifixion
across Christianity, Islam and Juidism.
Being Muslim is a great blessing from Allah
The shaytan of Islam (Allah) tells his slaves that they can be liars, and he sent a pdo.phile as your best moral example. And you believe that a god would do such a thing... It's from shaytan my Muslim friends.
@@nemesis1291 You worship a human being as God like an idolater in rejection of First Commandment. You are the one following Shaytan but your pride refuses to let you see it.
@@nemesis1291 astaghfirullah Al3adim are you even aware who are insulting ? Are u serious ? Omg the Shaytan is the one who made write This nonesense . Pls repent . Allah is God Allah is Arrahman the Most merciful the most gentle and the most compassionate . We will die inshaAllah if he wills upon worshipping him and doing Good as mentioned in The Quran . As for Jesus Christ he was and he will never be Equal to God he is a servant, a messenger and a disciple of God . Stop worshipping the Creation and start worshipping the Creator .
How did i never know about this guy ali ataie? I should watch him more
Brilliant video.knowledgeable guest.
Glad you enjoyed it
Greetings. Please improve your microphone's efficiencies overall. I have been listening your sessions for some times with great interest! Thank you so much! I need to raise the volume of my TV and PC very high to listen your voice.......... Please improve your microphone. God blesses.
Noted
Watched it 7 months later. Thankfully. Enlightened after listening to Dr. Ataie. The veils are slowly coming off.
Thanks to both of you. 👍🏽😘
*Clement of Alexandria* (2nd century CE Church Father) in his book “Paedagogus”:
“We must avoid any irregularity in the type of garment we choose. We must also guard against all waywardness in our use of them. For instance, *it is not right for a woman to wear her dress up over her knees,* as the Laconian maidens are said to do, because *a woman should not expose any part of her body...* I should like, too, not only that it be *forbidden them to expose their ankle,* but also that *it be made obligatory for them to wear a veil over their face and a covering on their head.”*
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“Further, the man and woman each must come to the church dressed becomingly, with an unaffected walk... *Let the woman observe this further practise: Except when she is home, she should be completely veiled, for her appearance will be dignified only when she cannot be seen.* She will never fall into sin if she always keeps modesty before her eyes, and *retain her veil,* nor will she lure others into an occasion of sin by baring her face.”
In conclusion, the earliest Christians (ie truest to Christ and his apostles’ message) had more in common with Muslims than most modern Christians realize. 🙏
Enjoyed this
Paul my broken record comment, this was stupendous!
One of my favourite persons, teachers, and scholars. Dr Ali Ataie.❤️
The meaning of “Mutawaffi” (‘take in full’) is discussed in the exegesis of verses 3: 54-55 (page 76; Mariful Quran vol. 2 by Mufti Taqi Usmani). If you search for the Ma'ariful Quran tafsir on google you should be able to find it on an archive link (all 8 volumes)
I further recommend the tafsir of 4: 157-158 (page 622).
Although the substitutional hypothesis is widely accepted by Muslim scholars from the earliest times, including explanations of the verse from the famous companion Ibn Abbas Ra, who seemed to have understood it as substitutional, which suggests to me this was the idea held by the companions closest to the Prophet PBUH.
Regardless, I can understand the swooning hypothesis. But the “rapture hypothesis” that is proposed by Ustadh Ali and similarly written about by various recent Orientalist scholars is really stretching the verses' meanings to propose this hypothesis. E.g. One question comes to my mind, if indeed Jesus PBUH is on the cross and before his physical flesh dies, Allah intervenes and there is a rapture of his soul, how is that different from death? Because in death everyone’s soul departs the body and all of this is by the will of Allah (as in Allah’s intervention). And if indeed he died on the cross and yet Allah saying they did not kill him nor crucify him sounds like one of these Obi Wan Kenobi moment - “from a certain point of view” - type of verbal gymnastics. No one can do anything to anyone except by the will of Allah.
the view from islamic point of view at least when i first read it seemed to suggest another one was crucified to look like him, while jesus was ascended unharmed and untouched and another was made exactly like him, gospel of barnabas holds this view even most likely a forgery has a story wich no other has last chapters are amazing story really can hold up logically but ofc its a theory like 4 "canon" gospel they speculate too cause they didnt see jesus
also the famous mathew last line in the gospel "why have you forsaken me" can be that of who was crucified who wasnt jesus and asking to god could be judas etc, judas dies in canon gospels in a strange way he suicided some days after in a tree
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I realized you can get tafsir of Ma'ariful quran (by Muft Taqi Usmani directly on quran.com), here are the links:
- Surah Ali Imran verse 55: quran.com/3:55/tafsirs/en-tafsir-maarif-ul-quran
- Surah Maidah verse 157: quran.com/4:157/tafsirs/en-tafsir-maarif-ul-quran
There are many theories for the substitution hypothesis apart for Judas - fully explicated here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_Jesus%27_death#Substitution_interpretation
I would caution against using the synoptic gospels or acts as sources, as we cannot verify the sources with any accuracy. They wouldn't pass any isnad (chain of narrators) or matn (text) verification test and would be straight up classified as fabricated (mawdu) according hadith sciences. These texts served to propagate a certain christological position. So, we only accept that which falls in line with the Quran as that is direct revelation and authentically preserved. Same goes for the hebrew bible (TaNaK).
ماشاء اللّٰه!
May Allah teward you brother Paul!
جزاك اللًٰه خيرا كثيرا....
Dr. Ali Ataie is an absolute treasure trove of comparative religion.
Great 👍
Please do a conversation with Mr Omar Suleiman. You will love him, I assure you.
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Awesome, Paul. Excellent. ☝