Kingsong 18XL VS Kingsong 16x - Which do I BUY?? | evX
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- Kingsong 18XL VS Kingsong 16x
I've been getting a lot of questions lately about which wheel to buy between the Kingsong 18XL & Kingsong 16x. The specs are the same, aside from the wheel size and diameter. "Oh GOD I'm on the fence!! Mickey Please help!"
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Alex Kholiavko haa! Thanks. To be fair KS, doesn’t invest money in proper advertising. But high compliment for sure, thanks!!
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As someone that owns an 18L (with XL battery pack) and who spent two weeks testing a 16X, my answer is clear. Although the 18XL has classic styling and a great powertrain, the 16X could do everything the 18XL does (go fast and far smoothly) in addition to being more agile and more able to handle non-road terrain with the 3 inch tire. 16X is my clear winner.
Duf mine too, if my recent abandonment of the 18XL wasn’t clear hahaha. I would say it’s much better!
@@evXNYC I am still waiting for someone to take me up on trading my Nikola Plus for a 16X :) Hell I'll trade them my 18(X)L too. :)
@@Duf I'll trade you my 18Xl for your Nik+ !!
@@evXNYC Thanks bud! ;)
Thank you for this video! I went with the 18XL as my first wheel. Very excited to learn! You provided great information and I enjoy your channel!
I'd like to know how that went. I'm considering the same.
Great editing! I love the wheel information
Dope video love the transitions, lighting, and content.
Man loved the video. Nice work
Thank you brother!
Fantastic video.
I’m four weeks in to my first wheel, an Inmotion V8. I love it, however I’m constantly on the warning beeps after 150 miles.
I’ll keep it until it breaks, but think I’ll order the 16X pronto.
Espectacular production 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Love your review man! Definitely enjoying doing my research for my channel. Keep it up man. Just subbed ya!
My KingSong 16s does 60km per charge.
Acceleration in first few seconds is faster than standard cars. I can ride big hills, offroads etc And the best thing is the weight:
ONLY 17Kg so you lift it and go
Great vid as usual.
Not looking for either, have my eyes set on Inmotion V10F, but enjoyed the vid none the less ☺
Cheers
PATRICK MCKOWEN thanks! That’s a very fun wheel too!
I’ve just become a pretty decent 3rd day rider of my new 16X largely because of your “how to” video on learning. I’m carving tight circles and able to weave in and out between parked cars, but higher speeds are still a bit wobbly.
Thanks man, your vids are great.
Awesome! Good to hear. Keep at it. The 16x is a very fun EUC. Just putting the hours in makes much better. In a month you’ll look back at today and think: man i was awful on day 3 or 7. And that’s exciting!
Those Quasar lights are sooo good for product vids. I think you've convinced me to get some and a 16X lol! Great job bro! Thumbs up for the production quality and a share for the Mark 16:6 tattoo! 😊
The Creative Nomad didn’t even realize my tattoos were legible haha THX! The Qasars are too legit as well.
The Creative Nomad man the KS16X is an awesome wheel especially coming from a v10F other then a wobbly tire I hav not Experience none of the problems the other you tubers are complaining about at all the wheel is just amazing I can explain
@@wayne37fly whats up with your tire?
ev X Jason is sending me another one it had a bump in the tire it made it feel wobbly and like I had gum stuck too it bad feeling other then that the wheel is awesome the KS16X is just wow Jason at ewheels will work with you if you have problems really nice guy !!!! Oh you’re videos are awesome 😎
wayne37fly he is nice! Thanks! I see you got a UM hat. I’m from Miami 🙌
"kingsong has firmware issues, but when you have wheels this fun, does it matter?"'
yes it does i don't wanna be thrown off at 45kph.
Shad0z thats not really something KS is known for. It is true the 16x has a rough start but now that’s its been in circulation for a while, KS is back their good reputation as a safe company. 😎
@@evXNYC they are known for a little firmware jank in the start. and the start for the 18L was half a year almost. but the 16x issues seem to be more easily solvable. its such an awesome wheel
@@AzeShorts Yes I too was tortured by the 18L. I went theough 3 control boards. It was wild! But eventually it worked out and my 18XL is the most trusty all around wheel. (I did the 18L to XL upgrade)
18XL is the best. I gave my 16X to my brother since I prefer bigger wheel and i dont like the feeling of 16 inches wheel.
Там 17 дюймов, вообще-то! ))
Thanks for the insight!! I just ordered my first wheel, the ks18XL, and I feel good about my investment!!
My friend has the Z10 and I have the 18XL, we went riding and quickly I noticed his wider tire could handle gravel and sand and loose dirt much better than my 2.5 tire. I would have to say after a 12 week experience of riding the KS18XL It is perfect for street only'. Sand on concrete, gravel, and mountain trail type settings, I don't see an average rider being able to ride that terrain. Maybe I suck but that thin tire sticks to pavement but dirt and sand roads feel scary loose. I'm gonna try that wider tire and like my friend on a Z10 ride off road.
This is far the best reviewed ks 18xl and 16x. I'm new in euc world but make my selections easy! Straight to the point reviews.
Great video! Love the photography!
Would have liked a bit more in-depth comparison though: have you tried them both for off-roading? :-D
Very interesting overview. Yet to help decisions based off full specs, what would you state about more simple comparisons such as height of front/rear lighting, ground clearance of pedals, height/length of retractable handle, &/or all around control based on a 2” tire diameter difference?
Only been riding 2 1/2 months , 16s and then 16x and iM already thinking of a new wheel . 18XL is on my radar and it seems interesting since i hear it has better comfort and stability sacrificing torque and some maneuverability compared to the 16x. But...i don't think i want to spend another 2000 just to add minor tweaks to riding. Ill stick with 16x for now. I think the clear upgrade from any of these wheels would be the sherman, latest gotway wheels, or V11 . The time i would get any of those wheels once they start shipping out from the factory at the time of writing this comment, would be when it start snowing here in Maine. So prob will wait till next year when hopefully their is no more wait time to to secure the next generation of wheels, and the snow subsides. Good video evX!
Good vid
Wonder how new xl would compare now with it coming out with new 2200W motor?
Great comparison. I am still contemplating adding the 18XL in with my 16x
ThaBlackCobra def a tough call haha.
Good comparison, but I do find it strange to claim that the 16x is better than the 18x off-road. First it is the wheel diameter, where larger is clearly better when there are roots and rocks in your way. Second, a narrower tyre is more nimble, because of less rotating mass, which allows you to go faster through rough terrain, they can operate with a higher tyre pressure without becoming bouncy, and it has more grip, because of more weight on a smaller footprint. Wide tyres do have an advantage on loose surfaces, if you lower your tyre pressure. For me the 16x is a urban wheel, borderline Z10 novelty, and the 18x is still the jack off all traits king. It is much easier to learn how to balance your self for high speed stability than it is to have fun maneuvering a train. I do not hope wide tyres becomes the norm.
what an overdramatized video. Not much info
Give me some Grace it was one of my first videos years ago lol.
Zooom & Booom just brought a Kingsong 18XL , what a bit of cool kit. Just starting to build my confidence
And speed up and doing turns and multi terrain. Thanks for your videos 😎👍
This is still one of the best Heart thumping exciting videos you’ve made to this day awesome I still watch it and I still ride my KS16X because of this video ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ THANKS
Ah yeah! Thanks man. Glad it helped!
Lol
Nice job. Good video!!!
Denis Hagov thank! Be sure to share this around if you think others will benefit from it. 😎
hi bro, can you let me know that brand/model of your black roll top rucksack - it would go well with my Z10. Thanks
I love your helmet! Where did you get it?
you videos are the Top Gear of EUC videos lol love it
Ha! Love that show! BBC version
I love your videos!
Andrei Petunin aw thanks! It’s def been fun so far!
Excellent review. I think a 16X is on my shopping list
That intro ha ha. Exactly what I was asking...👊
Great video as always. My second wheel, besides the 16X, is a Ninebot Z10, that's a very different riding experience, love to switch between them when I please, it's like switching between a sports car with big firm wheels that let's you feel the road (Z10) and a comfortable but fast modern sports sedan (16X)
Demetri Zuev yeah the 16x is much like a sports car!
Thanks So much for your videos, you were a deciding factor on me getting my 16x.
Got it this Sept (2020). and so glad i did! the wheel is so much fun, that once i got (semi) comfortable riding it i didn't want to get off. Even when my feet and legs were getting fatigued.
Thanks Again!
I'm eyeing the V11 and 16X and I'm kinda leaning toward the 16X for the superior (claimed) range.
Awesome vid
I hope Gotway's next iteration combines daily driver functionality with the top speeds they are known for. I'd wait in line for that one. This seems more likely to happen than King Song raising the speed ceiling on KS wheels.
Truth!
Great video, what inspired you to get a Mark 16:6 tat?
For me it was such a powerful moment of encapsualtion of the story in like a single sentence. :)
Hi from Australia, as someone who has ridden both, for a starter wheel, would you recommend the Ks18xl or Nikola+ as a better investment? I'm so stuck between these two at the same price here. As a 90kg guy I've thought safer not to consider the 16x. I'll just be a cruiser of a rider.
18XL will be more comfortable for longer rides and is a good cruiser
@@evXNYC As we say in Aus...thanks mate! Been watching your videos for quite some time so really value your opinion.
Thanks brother 🙏
Thank you!
Are there any hackers out there digging into the software? I love me some hacks to do more.
If you had one shot which wheel would you recommend 16x or S18 suspension stuff?
The inmotion v12
@@evXNYC yea i know i would totally buy it without asking if it was available in my country :D
Hi, i got ks16x 2 days ago, i was happy before i hit 25-30km h and wobbles appears....what pressure tire you recommend for 62 kg? Any recommendation about ks16x wobbles?maybe have to take more experience? Hit miles and miles...Thanks sir.
I used about 35psi. But wobbles have way more to do with your stance. Not tire pressure. Rider more loose and don’t squeeze at higher speeds. Bend you knees and relax. You’ll do fine. 😎
@@evXNYC thanks!!
Mate, you definitely crank out the highest quality cinematic EUC videos. You said that the 16x has it's speed limited earlier than the 18xl? By how much? Keep up the great work. would love to see some offroad trail vids
Noo Noo in the latest firmware they start the speed throttle for the 16x at 74v of 50% battery. My 18XL might not have the latest firmware but it still throttles at 30% battery.
Oh, that's very interesting. And a real bummer on the part of the 16x. It definitely looks awesome though. I love the more aggressive styling.
Noo Noo i mean it makes sense from a power perspective. I’m not mad about it.
Seriously you’re videos are just wow when you get famous You can hire me too help you hell yea !!!
To clarify a few comparisons; the 18XL pedals are at 10” length while the 16X are at 9.5”. How much does/could that half inch differ the ride comfort? From your experience, how does less width & more height create better “stability” &/or “longevity” for a tire or the model? Long distance ride is noted about the 16X just before statements about its speed. With both models having equal top speed, what is the downside to “top speed being limited” earlier?
Frank Hernandez it’s more about the wheel diameter. 18” is always more stable. Buuut the 16”x3” makes it super close in stability. Downside of top speed being limited earlier: less fun sooner if you’re an aggressive fast rider. But they fixed this in the latest V1.07 firmware update. 😎
What helmet are you using mate? It looks awesome!
Noo Noo TSG pass
Thanks man! I'm in the process of selling my bike so I can get one of these units. They are about $3k AUD down here, so not a small purchase. Don't think I'll be getting two (to begin with at least). I'm a bigger guy (110kgs) so I think the 18XL would suit me better. Cheers.
Awesome!! Which one you gonna purchase? 18XL?
Has anyone had any problems with NYPD stopping you or issuing a summons? Also, some trains & buses do not allow you to take the EUCS onboard, but on NJ transit trains I have seen the electric scooters. My colleagues say you can take the e-wheels on NJT buses, but they have to be put in the cargo spaces. Some bus drivers will give you a hard time.
Yaya Gazab NYPD has been chill. I don’t take public transit anymore since I ride EUC exclusively but i haven’t heard of the mta giving anyone a hard time.
You were just showing off and focusing on editing and video shots. Not helpful at all.
Oh man this is so beautiful. I wish I have a wheel like those. I can’t even afford a cheap 2015 wheel lol
Well it’s nice thing to have dreams.
I love watching electric unicycle, and Tesla cars videos
Dude do you know what are the differece between old version of 18xl and 2021 18xl? I couldn't find any information anywhere..
Probably nothing.
Likely bigger motor: from 2000w to 2200w. But that’s all.
The intro of the 16X got me so hyped, too bad it costs a fortune
Good video.
Salut , peut on mettre le pneu du Nikola gotway , c est un 3 pouces mais moins large ce qui pourrait diminuer les devers sur la route ?
Pose ta question sur le forum Esprit Roue. 😉
Amazing and thorough review!
Ah thanks so much!
I'm down to either an 18xl or the tesla v2. Ugh. Idk what to choose.
If you want a bit more speed at the cost of stability go with real v2. If you want more stability with less speed, go 18XL.
I have about 500 miles on my KS18XL and ride often at 20-25mph. I have never felt I needed more speed than what the 18XL offers. Cants say I have even gotten the 31 mph tilt back yet. lol
That seems to be typical for most people. I also believe KS codes the firmware ot make it harder for you to hit those higher speeds, where Gotway lets you fly right up to it with ease.
Hi Mickey! To me this video is the best you ever done!
The image quality, the story telling, everything is so great!
Thank you for the inspiration.
Now i got a goal for my channel!
Have a great day bro!
Ps : i also love the video about Nikola 😉
Those visuals are sick man ! Keep it going !
remember how 31 mph was considered fast?
yep
MAAAN your videos are so fucking amazing! keep up the work, the more videos the more people see euc, the mere subs u get, the better anything!
Great advice. Short & sweet. Btw, Kingsong needs a competent bi-lingual (Chinese to English) translator because their English instruction manual for the 18XL is poorly written & difficult to understand.
Hey, what's the song you're playing between 3:10 and 3:35? I love it!
which one would you prefer kingsong or gotway
Eddie G./electric unicycle depends on my needs i guess. If i want top speed and optimal performance, GotWay. If i want the amenities that come with kingsong but don’t need top speed, then i would choose their wheels.
Been getting better on on my 16x. I was stuck in traffic because NYC blows . Wasn't moving at all needed to get to work just parked my car and hopped into the 16x and got there in 30 mins. Half my drive time. I hope to get as good as u on the 16x turning this fat wheel is not easy .
Daniel Ribeiro yeah the good news is, it just takes time. The bad news is, it just takes time. I’ve felt myself get more and more comfortable on this wheel as the weeks pass. It’s just like anything else in life. Hard work, determination, and patience. Good luck!
which one has a better rage? that's all that matters to me
18XL for sure
I weigh around 69kg with gear... and get around 90-100km/charge on the 16x
I feel the 18XL is outdated kind of? My only retailer here in Norway just have an 18XL in stock, but i want the 16x.. they are same price but they dont know when they will get the 16x in stock.. Is buying the 18XL just dumb as this point? its like 2200 usd here in norway.
It’s a very old wheel at this point. I wouldn’t recommend it.
@@evXNYC thank you for the response :)
@@evXNYC What would you recommend now in its place?
@@evXNYC i want to know it too
@@doncover94 so i sort of stand corrected… in speaking to some US dealers it seems the 18XL is still a great wheel choice.
Do you feel the 16x is the best euc on the market for nyc?
Not at all. I would say the MSP HS is.
@@evXNYC that’s the best for our awful roads and rainy weather?
@@l-Lucid-l rain is an entire topic all together, but yeah MSP HS is arguably the best wheel for NYC, unless you want a sherman.
@@evXNYC i would love a Sherman but it’s a few hundred $$$ out of my budget. Alright I’ll check out the msp hs thank you so much.
Hello. I have inmotion v10 f and love the tire. But have 16 inch. After few hundred miles with ks 18xl, still the original tire have that feeling is too strong material. There is possible to change it with something more sticky and soft like CST from 10f but 18 inch? Or maybe some crazy move 18 inch Pirelli or Michelin? :)
Yes there’s a few options. Generally for the 18” wheels you have chao yang, Kenda, and CST - but definitely consult the electric unicycle forum online.
Graduated from KingSong speed. Gotway Monster is the next move
"this is a monster", well, buddy, you messed the manufacturers :P, but anyhow we forgive you... we like your videos, kutgw!
what is your helmet name, your link is broken, thanks
I was using the Leatt DBX 3.0 - look that up
But i think in this video I’m using the TSG PASS.
One choice today, which one you would buy? 18XL 2200w vs 16x?
If you weigh more than 200lbs, then get the 18XL. If you weigh less, get the 16x
@@evXNYC wow! Bro thank you for quick reply!
Cause now for me it's a good time to get one, suspension models are super expensive here, I will get 16x.
Subbed. When I come to NY lets ride! Lol
Deal!
Nice review. I guess that would answer a lot of die-hard Kingsong fans' questions, but in reality, more neutral folk would be asking how each of these wheels stack up to what other brands have to offer. Anyway, we are blessed in the EUC community to at least have some choice. I'd love to see how an American manufacturer, or even a German or Japanese maker would make these things. Would we get the 'Apple' of EUCs? Or the Mercedes or Sony equivalents? China has this one in the bag, doesn't it? 😉
MAtt Gytrash i mean when I’ve talked to Hsiang about this, he’s convinced it isn’t a hard piece of tech to produce. China just happened to dive in. If a more western country started making these, i think the first thing we would see is redundancy with the control boards and a smaller backup battery for when you draw too much power. - as far as these stacking up? It’s a hard metric to establish since these wheels are more focused on the ride experience and safety, compared to say a GotWay wheel that is all about speed and nothing else.
ev X: I guess in America and Europe clarity is most in need at the moment. Secondly, a regulatory framework for manufacture. Once these are in place, and if that combined package was attractive to both consumers and producers, these things could really take off. The West is way too slow off the mark, sadly and China will have all these issues figured anyway long before the first factories over here are tooled up! ☹️ Well more power to them, I say. Let China reap the reward for being ahead of the curve.
I've watched all of your KS16X videos like 4 times, and countless other ones, and I still don;'t know which EUC to consider for my first one. I am looking to get one in a few months, I am a very big guy (6'3", 260lbs), and live in NYC. Have any recommendations for a newbie? I want something to grow into for sure.
Whenever i meet anyone that weighs around 250 i have 2 suggestions: KS18XL & GotWay Monster. Pros to the monster are the heights, axel weigh limit, and high speed. Cons, the shell is very fragile compared to other wheels, pedal clearance is a little lower than the latest wheels. 18XL pros: axel weight limit, smooth feel, high pedal clearance, durable shell. Cons: top speed is only a true 29mph (despite KS saying it’s 31), and torque is not as good. So 18XL should be good for you, but a monster might be your end result if you grow out of that wheel.
@@evXNYC thanks! The turnoff with the monster is the weight and no trolly. I am absolutely going to look into the 18X more. Thanks for the response!
Giuseppe Vaccaro also look out for the new 100v MSX. Should be fine with your weight too.
Ended up going with the 18XL. Learned it in a few hours and just took it out for a few laps around prospect park. Love it so far! Thanks for the recommendation dude, hope to see you in one of those famed NYC group rides!
Giuseppe Vaccaro hey man, come to Kung Fu Tea at St.Mark in the city any night of the week. We ride every night. Would love to meet ya and give you some evwhere stickers for the new wheel. 😎😎
Where are Kingsong based?
Can i buy in Asia?
Im in the Philippines
Mainland China
@@evXNYC official website?
1:30 *I expected jinn aladdin to show up.*
me tooooo! Consider subscribing to my channel to see all the new content. THX
nice, im by 18xl)))
3 weeks for my 16x arrive cant wait
I want a Gotway Monster. I want it because of the massive battery, and durance. You see I am a superhero in training, and the Monster is going to be my power. I will traverse my city in a Bat cape, and a Bat Helmet but I won't be Batman because he's the original Batman. I'm called the Superhero that is in training that wants to look like Batman but can never be Batman because he's just riding around flapping with a bat cape on a unicycle.
do it! I"ve ridden the V3 monster and its so smoth.
Both is better... ;)
4:30
King Song quality
how to spend 3hr on your hair and then put on helmet
bobrokrol sometimes 4 🤣🤣✌🏼
MSX or Monster 100 v for ever
Haha MSX would be my choice.
Может кто-нибудь вывод написать на русском?
18 - стабильность и гладкость, педали больше, в общем комфорт
16 - лучше ускорение и маневренность, но меньше максималка, в общем - более весело
Grab both 😆
Unless you live somewhere near a jungle, then all your roads are paved and no need to talk about offroading.
I am at crossroads re what to get as well: 18xl or 16x. My needs are -
1) keeping the speeds of up to 25-30 mph the longest without recharging (you say 16x drops after 50%);
2) longest range in the same conditions (90kg with my backpack and almost no hills in warm weather);
3) ease of transportation on public transport (weight, wheeling around);
I am currently fine with my 16s and only rarely wish I had more top speed on empty parts of the road. It is mostly my last mile friend and so if I switch, I need a reason (top speed + range increased).
I ride a Z750, a bicycle and a car as well so the euc is for local trips and last mile rides (although I do ride to work which is around 5 miles away and it lasts me for almost 1.5 trips to and fro)
Bartholomew Lyons get the 18XL. No question.
ev X planning to)) thank you, amigo. Hope you get your break on YT. Do diversify your content as well, the euc community is small even though growing. Legal uncertainty is holding it back for now.
Keep focused on your wheel, ride safe! Greetings from sunny Tbilisi))
The Kingsong 18XL is very heavy (over 50 lbs!) if you need to lug it.
@@w_rspct interested .. email sent
jesus christ, just put the stats together side by side, who cares about all the B rolls
You can find spec sheets at EWheels.com
This bugged KS16 Shit is a extasy for slow worms . 6 firmwares left and it's still bad. Just wasting money. Nikola Plus or Monster all the way. Tesla v.2, mcm5 for low cost runners.