I just realized something. The Premonition is, quite literally, chapter Negative One. It's chronologically before the prologue (Chapter 0), and it also represents negative time. Removed time. The time that CREATED ground zero. If you think of it that way, the aftermath of the cutscene is ground zero, and Premonition is Time Negative One. It also means that Chapter 24 is the new Chapter One....
Validar's comment about the tactician's mother at 3:07 couldn't have been more wrong. The proper term for a mother stealing her baby from the crib and running into the night is "Maternal Instinct."
Speaking of which, does anyone happen to know what the name of the tactician's mother is? That question's been buzzing around my head like a swarm of pissed off hornets since I played the game myself.
***** That's kind of a rule breaker in turns of story plot. It's one thing to mention a protagonist's parents in general, but it's another to only give the name of one and not the other. I didn't really care about the name of Link's mother in the Legend of Zelda series even though she was mentioned in passing in Ocarina of Time. Would have been nice to know the name of the tactician's mother.
@@SorenDaeinShe was probably a nobody to the general public. Validar may have known it, but wouldn't' have cared anyways, she was only a means to an end (aka, being Robin's mother aka the vessel of Grima). Robin might have known it, but since his memory was wiped, that knowledge would have been lost. With Validar's death, any information regarding the mother would have gone with him. Not really a "rule breaker" in this instance.
At first, I wondered how MU and Basilio turned the tables on Validar. Got my answer from a fan fiction story. As he stated in this chapter, Basilio played dead and scraped by out of harm's way. He caught the attention of a nearby soldier and used subtlety to get MU's attention. MU reveals the premonition and devised the countermeasure. The unnamed soldier played a small part by giving Basilio a fake set of Gemstones to pull the "Old Switcheroo."
One issue with that... okay, SEVERAL issues. When was this happening? They had the entire war with Walhart at the moment. How long did Robin know that they were being watched by Validar's spies? How did they come into contact? When did Robin make the plan to have the Gemstones switched? And if they were switched, why was it that when Robin got them back after Grima revived, it showed that all the Gemstones were in place? There are too many issues here that makes little sense. This would have been better if we had gotten some more info on how this was achieved.
I mentioned a fan fiction story. In said story, Basilio caught the spies in the act. He called out to them but they attacked him after they heard him. Basilio took out both, tore off a piece of cloth from one along with some knives for proof, and hid the bodies for good measure. Already mentioned the unnamed soldier in the host comment. The instance of when contact was made was the day after Walhart's defeat. As for the Gemstones, the real ones were put back where they belonged shortly after Robin retrieved the Fire Emblem. Both the retrieval of the Emblem and the instance of putting the real Gemstones back where they belonged happened off-camera. There are a number of things that aren't in the actual game script. Such gaps can be easily filled in by fan fiction. Validar bragged on about Robin being powerless to resist him with the full powered Fire Emblem. If it had been at full power, Robin wouldn't have been able to weaken the magic attack that was supposed to kill Chrom. Therefore, fake Gemstones had to have been put in place of Argent, Azure, Gules, and Vert before going to Plegia. A master tactician must make sure to never reveal his/her strategy when coming up with a countermeasure like that. Plus, the fewer that know, the better. Since Basilio was considered a dead man, he'd be able to have that knowledge without Robin being found out. Dead men tell no tales, after all. He'd also be the only one who could hold onto the Gemstones without anyone other than Robin knowing about it.
Such wasted potential with Chrom vs. Validar round 2. I swear. Round 2 of Validar vs Chrom should've had an exchange like this. Chrom: It's over for you Validar! At the end of this day, one shall stand, one shall fall. Validar: So, Prince of Ylisse. Even after all that's transpired, even when standing in the face of certain doom, you persist! Answer me this question. Why throw away your life so recklessly? Chrom: That's a question you should ask yourself, Validar. Validar: NO! I swear by Grima's name, I shall crush you where you stand, once and for all!
LittleAl016 Personally I feel like it should've gone like this; Validar: You continue to struggle even knowing what you know!? Chrom: Of course we do! The tomorrow we're trying to grab for ourselves is not the tomorrow you've set out for us. It's the tomorrow we choose for ourselves, a tomorrow we choose out of all the possible futures! We'll fight our way through! We'll protect Ylisse! We'll stop the Fell Dragon too! Validar: You can't possibly accomplish all of that! Chrom: Just watch us!
JJA8020 Wouldn't Validar's motive be a little inappropriate for that sort of reference, though? I mean, trying to prevent Grima's revival is the last thing Validar wants to do, after all.
Round 2 against Validar could have had more "Special Boss Conversations" in it. Like Morgan, for example. I wonder what words would pass between Validar and his grandchild.
Soren Daein Considering Morgan was the one who killed Validar when I played through, then barely fended off pretty much the entire remaining Army that ganged up on him, I'd imagine something like, "f*** you grandpa, now I'M the mastermind"
Anyone who's wondering what music is playing in the background at 17:45 when Basilio and Flavia join the fight, the name of the track is "Divine Decree."
30:18 Dude just killed his dad, the evil king of the enemy country to was trying to resurrect the motherfucking devil god of world annihilation, and the best reaction he can muster is a fist pump?
Mwahahahaha! Pheonix/The Avatar is officially the most devious person EVER! You play this game A LOT better than the last walkthrough I viewed, they played casual and lost about four people every battle, plus they had no sense of strategy. I'm glad to see that some people can still be smart.
The technical name for it though (as I found out) is Rival. It has two tracks: Rival(Intro), and Rival. "Don't you put any stock in this destiny hogwash!" is both of them combined. Just in case anyone wanted to know :)
There was one thing I had noticed during the game. The tactician's mother never showed herself. Being a war hero would have attracted her attention no matter what. Not to mention she wouldn't have allowed her own child to stab his closest friend in the back. In the same fan fiction story where I learned of the one possible explanation behind the tactician's countermeasure, it was revealed the heirophant doppelganger killed the tactician's mother for trying to intervene. Not sure if it's true or not but it'd make sense. Physical stress from an overwhelming evil entity isn't enough to cause a full memory wipe. Witnessing a loved one being murdered before your eyes while simultaneously under such stress could do it though. Especially if the loved one was the only family that person had ever known.
Some believe that Robin's mother died. Some say that she no longer wished to be involved in Robin's life. Others say she went to another world. Me, I only believe in one thing: The power of fanfiction! Where I shall write the tale of Robin's mother and Robin's story, and how everything played out before the amnesia thing hit.
Death would be the most likely possibility for Robin's mother. Not wanting to be involved in her own child's life doesn't make much sense. Nor does going into another world. No mother in her right mind would cast her own child to the wolves. There were some instances where a parent would normally jump in to protect the child. Protecting her child is something a mother can't help but do. One instance of Robin's mother needing to step in was when Lucina turned her blade on him. Chrom would have been the one to defuse that matter in the actual game. What reason COULD Robin's mother have to sever ties?
Soren Daein We're talking about Fire Emblem here. There are bad parents or good parents that have some bad traits one way or another. Robin's mother could very well have that. And the other world thing is actually the theory that Robin is in fact Marc from FE7, as his mother took him there, and Marc somehow returned to his original world. Well... that's why I'm writing the fanfiction about Robin's mother. XP The first parts will be all about his mom, but then will transition to Robin's story before he arrives back in Ylisse where he will get mindraped by Grima. Or not. Cause you know, original timeline.
why does validar want to resurrect grima so much? i know grima revived him but he doesnt need grima anymore. he is evil so why would he do it out of respect.
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"Surprise bitch, I bet you thought you've seen the last of me!"
-Basilio 2013
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
-Validar 2013
2 years late... am I still kickin'?
"My ex just got killed by Walhart, then he sent me this:"
"I lived bitch"
I just realized something. The Premonition is, quite literally, chapter Negative One. It's chronologically before the prologue (Chapter 0), and it also represents negative time. Removed time. The time that CREATED ground zero.
If you think of it that way, the aftermath of the cutscene is ground zero, and Premonition is Time Negative One. It also means that Chapter 24 is the new Chapter One....
When I killed Validar 1 my thought process was:
"Why was that so ea- Oh..."
I honestly thought I had gotten a Game Over.
Validar's comment about the tactician's mother at 3:07 couldn't have been more wrong. The proper term for a mother stealing her baby from the crib and running into the night is "Maternal Instinct."
Speaking of which, does anyone happen to know what the name of the tactician's mother is? That question's been buzzing around my head like a swarm of pissed off hornets since I played the game myself.
I don't believe it's ever given
*****
That's kind of a rule breaker in turns of story plot. It's one thing to mention a protagonist's parents in general, but it's another to only give the name of one and not the other. I didn't really care about the name of Link's mother in the Legend of Zelda series even though she was mentioned in passing in Ocarina of Time. Would have been nice to know the name of the tactician's mother.
@@SorenDaeinShe was probably a nobody to the general public. Validar may have known it, but wouldn't' have cared anyways, she was only a means to an end (aka, being Robin's mother aka the vessel of Grima). Robin might have known it, but since his memory was wiped, that knowledge would have been lost.
With Validar's death, any information regarding the mother would have gone with him. Not really a "rule breaker" in this instance.
This is the Fire Emblem game that I REALLY want.
So Validar ate shit 4 times, died 3 times and stayed dead permanently while all the other antagonists survived?
Nielspiels
Wait, Cervantes lived?!
ALL PRAISE THE MUSTACHE
At first, I wondered how MU and Basilio turned the tables on Validar. Got my answer from a fan fiction story. As he stated in this chapter, Basilio played dead and scraped by out of harm's way. He caught the attention of a nearby soldier and used subtlety to get MU's attention. MU reveals the premonition and devised the countermeasure. The unnamed soldier played a small part by giving Basilio a fake set of Gemstones to pull the "Old Switcheroo."
One issue with that... okay, SEVERAL issues. When was this happening? They had the entire war with Walhart at the moment. How long did Robin know that they were being watched by Validar's spies? How did they come into contact? When did Robin make the plan to have the Gemstones switched? And if they were switched, why was it that when Robin got them back after Grima revived, it showed that all the Gemstones were in place? There are too many issues here that makes little sense. This would have been better if we had gotten some more info on how this was achieved.
I mentioned a fan fiction story. In said story, Basilio caught the spies in the act. He called out to them but they attacked him after they heard him. Basilio took out both, tore off a piece of cloth from one along with some knives for proof, and hid the bodies for good measure. Already mentioned the unnamed soldier in the host comment. The instance of when contact was made was the day after Walhart's defeat. As for the Gemstones, the real ones were put back where they belonged shortly after Robin retrieved the Fire Emblem. Both the retrieval of the Emblem and the instance of putting the real Gemstones back where they belonged happened off-camera. There are a number of things that aren't in the actual game script. Such gaps can be easily filled in by fan fiction. Validar bragged on about Robin being powerless to resist him with the full powered Fire Emblem. If it had been at full power, Robin wouldn't have been able to weaken the magic attack that was supposed to kill Chrom. Therefore, fake Gemstones had to have been put in place of Argent, Azure, Gules, and Vert before going to Plegia. A master tactician must make sure to never reveal his/her strategy when coming up with a countermeasure like that. Plus, the fewer that know, the better. Since Basilio was considered a dead man, he'd be able to have that knowledge without Robin being found out. Dead men tell no tales, after all. He'd also be the only one who could hold onto the Gemstones without anyone other than Robin knowing about it.
Such wasted potential with Chrom vs. Validar round 2. I swear. Round 2 of Validar vs Chrom should've had an exchange like this.
Chrom: It's over for you Validar! At the end of this day, one shall stand, one shall fall.
Validar: So, Prince of Ylisse. Even after all that's transpired, even when standing in the face of certain doom, you persist! Answer me this question. Why throw away your life so recklessly?
Chrom: That's a question you should ask yourself, Validar.
Validar: NO! I swear by Grima's name, I shall crush you where you stand, once and for all!
LittleAl016 Personally I feel like it should've gone like this;
Validar: You continue to struggle even knowing what you know!?
Chrom: Of course we do! The tomorrow we're trying to grab for ourselves is not the tomorrow you've set out for us. It's the tomorrow we choose for ourselves, a tomorrow we choose out of all the possible futures! We'll fight our way through! We'll protect Ylisse! We'll stop the Fell Dragon too!
Validar: You can't possibly accomplish all of that!
Chrom: Just watch us!
JJA8020 Wouldn't Validar's motive be a little inappropriate for that sort of reference, though? I mean, trying to prevent Grima's revival is the last thing Validar wants to do, after all.
LittleAl016 Nice "Transformers" reference for much of that comment.
Round 2 against Validar could have had more "Special Boss Conversations" in it. Like Morgan, for example. I wonder what words would pass between Validar and his grandchild.
Soren Daein
Considering Morgan was the one who killed Validar when I played through, then barely fended off pretty much the entire remaining Army that ganged up on him, I'd imagine something like, "f*** you grandpa, now I'M the mastermind"
Anyone who's wondering what music is playing in the background at 17:45 when Basilio and Flavia join the fight, the name of the track is "Divine Decree."
2:17 the semi deadpan delivery makes it even better, honestly
30:18 Dude just killed his dad, the evil king of the enemy country to was trying to resurrect the motherfucking devil god of world annihilation, and the best reaction he can muster is a fist pump?
Mwahahahaha! Pheonix/The Avatar is officially the most devious person EVER!
You play this game A LOT better than the last walkthrough I viewed, they played casual and lost about four people every battle, plus they had no sense of strategy. I'm glad to see that some people can still be smart.
Me: Chrom no
Me, later: Oh he's fine we're all good
Oh gods. He means me. Ah, Pheonix... calm as always.
Weren't you paying attention? Robin(/Avatar/MU/whatever you want to call him/her) spared Chrom by holding back when using the magic attack.
Validar: Fools Destiny cant be unraveled.
Chrom: Ours? No! Your? Yes!
Well...this is a rather strange yet nice twist to everything.
OH MY GOD I THOUGHT CHROM WAS ACTUALLY DEAD... ( cries for 20 minutes )
13:04 DAT CUTE SMILE.
Huh? Now we know what's on the other side of the barrier.
The technical name for it though (as I found out) is Rival. It has two tracks: Rival(Intro), and Rival. "Don't you put any stock in this destiny hogwash!" is both of them combined. Just in case anyone wanted to know :)
Sully's S level support with Chrom has a typo in it, and she actually calls him a bastard.
There was one thing I had noticed during the game. The tactician's mother never showed herself. Being a war hero would have attracted her attention no matter what. Not to mention she wouldn't have allowed her own child to stab his closest friend in the back. In the same fan fiction story where I learned of the one possible explanation behind the tactician's countermeasure, it was revealed the heirophant doppelganger killed the tactician's mother for trying to intervene. Not sure if it's true or not but it'd make sense. Physical stress from an overwhelming evil entity isn't enough to cause a full memory wipe. Witnessing a loved one being murdered before your eyes while simultaneously under such stress could do it though. Especially if the loved one was the only family that person had ever known.
That's, Probably the saddest thing to consider about that topic.
Megaboss
What is? The fate of the tactician's mother?
Some believe that Robin's mother died. Some say that she no longer wished to be involved in Robin's life. Others say she went to another world. Me, I only believe in one thing:
The power of fanfiction! Where I shall write the tale of Robin's mother and Robin's story, and how everything played out before the amnesia thing hit.
Death would be the most likely possibility for Robin's mother. Not wanting to be involved in her own child's life doesn't make much sense. Nor does going into another world. No mother in her right mind would cast her own child to the wolves. There were some instances where a parent would normally jump in to protect the child. Protecting her child is something a mother can't help but do. One instance of Robin's mother needing to step in was when Lucina turned her blade on him. Chrom would have been the one to defuse that matter in the actual game. What reason COULD Robin's mother have to sever ties?
Soren Daein We're talking about Fire Emblem here. There are bad parents or good parents that have some bad traits one way or another. Robin's mother could very well have that. And the other world thing is actually the theory that Robin is in fact Marc from FE7, as his mother took him there, and Marc somehow returned to his original world.
Well... that's why I'm writing the fanfiction about Robin's mother. XP
The first parts will be all about his mom, but then will transition to Robin's story before he arrives back in Ylisse where he will get mindraped by Grima. Or not. Cause you know, original timeline.
I love how this is literally the same cutscene as in the premonition, but has the opposite result. Nice.
30:10 BIRTHRIGHT
First time I started this I did Not know my units were on the otherside of the barrier lol
The word has a different meaning from "bastard" , which is also used quite liberally throughout the game's script.
Is it just me, or is the blade used to stab Chrom here shorter than the one used in the Prologue?
"Run all you like---you can't escape fate."
14:31 Someones been watching Serentiy...
Basilio is now the most epic character ever.
Fallen Robin: Fell Reincarnation
dastard is a medieval term people used since it is short version of dastardly
Also makes a good substitute for "bastard".
Ah HE'LL YEAH ... Basilio u ... I have nothing to say but more grinding time
Plot twist fuck yeah!
it seems every 3DS game has a plot twist...
exept paper mario
...
Eugenics: it runs in the family
So how did basilio get a hold of the stones once validate thought he was dead?
Can anyone tell me what the soundtrack is called in the part where Basilio appears?
Rival
Ohhh so chrom is supposed to get stabbed. I thought I did it wrong so I restarted from the last save lol
I'm so stupid! I didn't level Chrom and my Avatar up enough and now I can kill Validar to beat the level and I have to start a whole new game
Couldn't you just buy some Reeking Boxes to grind some XP for 'em?
If this was Persona,Grima would be Shadow Robin,just like how Shadow Labrys was in Persona 4 Arena.
ugh. I managed to kill Basilio the second I got him. wtf.
Does anyone know the sound that plays when the alternate MU appears, edit I found it :)
5:48 Premonition but you fight with your whole army instead of just Chrom and Robin.
30:16
You are ded, not big surprise.
What song is at 1:45
You literally one shotted Validar
*Jaffar attacks*
Grimleal: Aaaahhhh!
*Jaffar attacks again*
Grimleal: Damn! *groans*
Jaffar: Heh.....
10 years ago.... This game is 10 years. Wtf. Now I feel old.
10 fucking years !?
Same 😭
They say that all throughout the game. Did you even play it?
15:02 wow rude Lucina
Best possible name...that line makes the game for me! ^_^
Whoa dejavu
Lissa:Now or nevah!
THIS IS THE PART WHERE HE KILLS YOU!
Ikr...how could he not be? XD
why does validar want to resurrect grima so much? i know grima revived him but he doesnt need grima anymore. he is evil so why would he do it out of respect.
Plot twist
Fire Emblem Awakening Episode 42
you are the most rich person ever in this game!!!
I don't think so...as far as I can tell they are identical.
Who wants to see Grima fight Godzilla in a Fire Emblem Awakening and Godzilla crossover made by both Nintendo and Toho?
Maybe because he's dashingly evil? x3
He probably skip all the reading like some people did...noobs .-.
Um, kill this "dastard" Chrom? What ?
how is that being a noob? i don't think you know what a noob is