Fermentasaurus Closed Loop Transfer. No Foaming, No Oxidation, Oxygen Free Transfer
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2017
- In this video I show you haw to transfer from Fermentasaurus to keg with no oxidation and no foaming.
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Hi Brian
This is really useful. I am one of the guys who have had problems with foaming as you mentioned transferring from the fermzilla to keg using a spunding valve. This is so much better.
Great video and thanks for sorting this one out for me.
Sure!! Glad you found it helpful! I have updated it in a collaboration I did with Martin from the homebrew challenge. You can check it out in his video here.
czcams.com/video/jOU7H4mieBw/video.html
I used the updated version yesterday to transfer my pils to keg and found it the cleanest and simplest oxygen free transfer I have done. Cheers Brian.
@@rodgerpaylor718 awesome!! Glad it worked! 👍🍻
Got it to work. Thanks Brian!
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Great video
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Genius idea. Saves co2, yet still allows a oxygen free, short setup and cleanup transfer. Thanks!
Glad you found it helpful! Cheers! 👍🍻
Hi Brian, great video, one question, how did you get such large diameter tubing to connect to your liquid out?
Another trick is you can use the co2 generated by fermentation to purge the sanitizer from one keg to another, works great. I have a water filter housing I connected a gas line fitting and a gas post for the spunding valve, it catches the last bit of sanitizer when the receiving keg is full without going through the valve.
As always, great video.
When is your next live brew day?
Thanks! No plans yet on the next one. But I will make a notification.
I always use co2 to push beer from FV to corny keg. Just like your system. Cheers
Old Norse brewery works well! 🍻
I wouldn't mind seeing a video demonstration of the entire process..
Brad hambrick do you mean hooking up the hoses?
Pretty sure the latest video covers what you asked for..
He just did
Brian can you do a video on kegging and lessons learned? I get to start kegging on this beer that is in the fermenter
johnjensen4 yeah.. I could do that. I am covering some of it in a review of the torpedo keg.. Coming very soon. 🍻
Very nice - gravity siphon, but under pressure. I think you made my kegging day 10X easier. Thanks.
Awesome! Glad to help! Lots of other tips videos on our channel as well! Cheers! 👍🍻
I’ve been having troubles transferring using the Fermzilla. Can’t wait to try this method tomorrow…. Thanks for the info.
Welcome!
Awesome videos, I have trying to perfect this method but I seem to get it going but then when I put the gas back on it seems to reverse and the beer starts to go back to level and stops the transfer. As in I see gas bubbles moving back up the line. And it starts to look like a spirit level beer each side of the transfer line. Gas in the middle. I try removing the gas and purging gas out of he keg so the fermenter is higher pressure but still doesn't start to move.
Thanks,
Is the fermenter higher than the keg? Gravity is how this method works. If the bottom of the fermenter is close to the same height as the top of the keg it doesn't work well. 👍🍻
Hey mate. Great video. Just wondering how important the starsan washout at the beginning is? Can I just give my kegs a rinse and clean and then purge?
Yeah you can just do that. I've just been doing this on my really hoppy beers to make sure I'm not introducing oxygen into the beer. My starsan solution is not full strength it is about 1/2 strength to save product. The keg is clean and I am just doing it as a precaution. Cheers mate! 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Sweet. Thanks again.
Every time I try to do this pressure transfer from the fermzilla to a keg there's an explosion of trub inside my fermzilla. Any idea why this happens? Thanks
Would there be any benefit of still using a spunding valve on your gas line to keep the receiving keg pressurised and limit foaming?
It's a closed loop. That's a different but equally effective process but requires CO2 to push the beer into the keg.👍🍻
Hi, Brian - great video and I appreciate the tips being shared on the Fermentasaurus! I did noticed in the video that the Fermentasaurus was up much higher than the keg during the transfer. Is this necessary or will the transfer work just as well with the Fermentasaurus being on the floor (as the same level as the keg)?
Thanks for the comment.. Although you are transferring under pressure, this video is a little different than some of the other transfer videos that I've done because of the fact that it is a closed loop. So it is a gravity driven transfer more than a pressure driven transfer. So yes you would need the fermentasaurus up higher than the keg. Great question! Cheers👍🍻
And the beer still has no issues climbing up the liquid dip tube in the sauras?
Nope gravity+siphon= success! 👍🍻
Do you have a beginner video that shows the homebrewing process post-wort? Fermentation to bottling?
Unfortunately I don't. I do want to do some more beginner style material.. hopefully I can get to it in the near future. 👍🍻
If you had a check valve on the gasline, you could connect it all up, pull the PRV and let it go.. maybe? when the fermentasaurus 2 comes out i'll be doing this.
Yep that is a good idea. Let me know how it goes when you do it! Cheers! 👍🍻
Brian, I'm looking for a scale like the one you show at 01:26. Which one is that? Do you like it?
That one was from Grainger. It was pretty expensive if I recall. Anvil brewing has a nice scale rated for up to 50#? You might check it out.
Hello, instead of the T connection that you made, would it work the same with a 2 outputs regulator set at 10 PSI (fermantasaurus on output 1 and keg on output 2) ? Are you doing this because you only have a 1 output regulator ?
Sure I just had the T and bottle to pressurize both vessels you can certainly take the bottle out of the loop. 👍🍻
Question. What happen when the Keg is full, the transfer stops?, can this cause any issue in the gas line in the keg?
No because the gas will be going in when you hook it up. I knew with this particular instance I would not be over filling the keg. If you know you have more volume in the fermenter than will fit in the keg, fill the keg with water to a level you feel comfortable with and then weigh it and while filling put the keg on a scale and stop once you reach the weight you determined prior. That would prevent over filling and getting beer in the gas post. 👍🍻
Hey Brian! Nice tip to save CO2!
That beer looks like a mango juice. Is that a NEIPA? Do you mind sharing the recipe?
It's the haze craze NEIPA kit from more beer. 👍🍻
You add starsan to water? I thought it can only be added to distiled water.
You can add star san to pretty much any water. now if you want to store it for a long period of time it's recommended to use distilled water. I just added some to the water in the keg just to be safe. The keg had already been cleaned and sanitized. 👍🍻
What’s your process for dry hopping while under pressure with this fermenter? How do you add/remove the additions?
I pressurize back to 15psi when dry hopping. The dry hop additions are added through the top and then add pressure to bring it back up to pressure.
Short Circuited Brewers got it. I watched a video where when taken off pressure the fermenting wort went nuts and blew out the top. Do you slowly depressurize before removing lid?
@@pow06er yes using the spunding valve and then the prv on the lid
It’s at the 12:30 ish mark
How do I do this with tons of hop particles in the fermenter? I'm worried about transferring and getting all my dry hop sucked into the keg...
You might take a look at a product called the bouncer, I have never used one but I've seen several videos on it and it looks like it would be great for that purpose.
Here is link
www.amazon.com/dp/B01JWO5RK2/?ref=exp_inf_pl_shortcircuitedbrewers#
Short Circuited Brewers that's awesome! Won't go with that one but there's the same thing with a higher micron filter for half the price! Was worried I wouldn't be able to use this for stouts with cacao nibs but now it might be my next batch 😎
Awesome! Glad you were able to find a solution let me know how it works for you. Cheers! 👍🍻
I'm not here for oxidation issues, I'm going to try this method because I'm sick of using so much gas to transfer from the zilla to the keg!! Thanks for the vid bro!
Hey whatever it helps you with is fine with me!! 👍🍻
a kg of CO2 cost 2,-€ if you buy it at 10kg
, a liter of CO2 makes 2g at atmospheric preassure
so the fermzilla at 27l would cost you 2/1000x27=0,05€ to fill it completely - so maybe 7 US Cent ?!
sounds like a good deal if you can avoid oxidating your beer with that method ... (sorry for the ISO units)
@@bertb4185 no problem. There is a little shortage going on right now in the US. 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers indeed - just googled it - interesting! Did not expect that!
Those US news never make it here in Europe - to much else going on at the moment ...
Definitely a lot going on!! 👍🍻
Do you purge the oxygen from your gas/liquid lines before transferring, or not worry? I guess it would already be purged if you used them to push the starsan to a second keg 🤔
Correct they are already purged.
Random question. Will the lid on a Fermentasaurus fit on a Fermonster?
If so you could use their transfer kit on the Fermonster. I would be very interested to know. The Vintage Shop is going to be releasing small batch versions of the Fermonster and the only thing that would keep me from buying one is the fact that I can't pressure transfer. However, if the Fermentasaurus lids will fit a Fermonster....that could be interesting.
Tyler I think the lid on the fermentasaurus is about 4 inch in diameter approximately and the fermonster is about 6 in from all the photos that I have seen. I could be wrong but I'm not sure. My local homebrew shop has some of those fermentation vessels. If I can remember next time I'm over there I'll take a lid with me and see if it fits.
Is there any reason why you couldn't drill a hole in the fermonster and use the carbonation cap like I've used in some of my other videos to pressure transfer?
That's a good question. I honestly don't know. I probably need to go back and watch the video again. How would you attach the carbonation cap to the lid of the fermonster so that it would hold pressure?
@ShortCircuitedBrewers So I'm new to the game and was somewhat successful in transfer until I have about 1gallon left in the Fermzilla when it starts to sound like a kicked keg with more CO2 than beer coming through. Is there a certain size the silicone dip tube should be cut? It seems as though it's running up the side wall out of the beer once it gets to the neck of the fermenter. Thanks.
Can you tilt the fermenter a little bit so that the dip tube will pick up the beer. I cut my hose so that the tip would reach all the way down to the valve.
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers tilting didn't even help as the tube was still sticking to the side thus sucking CO2. I have since trimmed the tube so it hangs from the adapter and touches the dump valve. Fingers crossed it works this time.
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I’m using a floating dip tube for my keg. How detrimental is it to just purge the CO2 by cranking up the pressure in the keg to 20 PSI or so and then burping it a few times? Would that still leave too much Oxygen in the keg?
Are you talking about the empty keg that you will be filling? You can do that. However to be sure you've removed the oxygen the only real way to be sure is to fill it with star san solution and push it out with CO2.
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers thanks for the quick response; yep talking about the empty keg to be filled. I'm not confident I can push all the star san solution out when using a floating dip tube. Hopefully just purging an empty sanitized keg will be enough.
@@shlap007 gotcha... It will be better than nothing! 👍🍻
Have you run into any problems with blockages and how have you delt with them? I do a closed loop but if I do a Neipa or a heavy hopped IPA the hop particles that havent dropped out with the cold crash can collect in the spring of the liquid post and cause the flow to stop. I can push gas back thru the post to clear it some times but not always and doing so stirs up the sediment and continues to cause bloackages. Any ideas?
I am thinking you could attach a stainless screen ball for steeping tea. You could probably put a hole in it to fit the pickup tube into. Maybe something like this? Nuk3y® Stainless Steel Rust Resistant Mesh Tea Ball Strainer Filter Infuser (Pack of 2) www.amazon.com/dp/B01B6NQ4IG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_eQpPBbDK9W2EV
Short Circuited Brewers. I was thinking something along those lines. I use a floating dip tube to draw from the top of the fermenter. I’m hoping i can get a screen ball light enough that it won’t just sink to the bottom. The other thing i have in mind to trial is a liquid post and a ball lock connect with the poppets removed and the little stainless inline filter attached.
@@rhysparker5632 let me know what you cone up with. Cheers! 👍🍻
Short Circuited Brewers
so what i’ve done is remove the poppet on both the liquid post and the liquid ball connect on the transfer hose. i’ve also added in a bounce filter in between. i’ve opted for this because i can clean the filter easily if it gets clogged. if i had gone for the strainer on the dip tube option i was worried it would get clogged up and i would have to open the keg up to clean it which eliminates the reason for a closed system. I’ve also used a standard liquid ball connect to seal the keg during fermentation. as for oxydation, my serving keg is filled with co, i just simply connect the transfer line to empty the co and clear the filter and transfer line. worked pretty well.
@@rhysparker5632 good solution!! Thanks for sharing!
So once the pressure is equalized and the transfer/siphoning starts you don't need to release the pressure on the keg during the transfer? Thank you for another great video, cheers!
Nope.. gravity does the rest. 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Awesome, I'll definitely try this out. Thank you!
@@rafaelpestano7436 definitely. I did a collaboration with Martin from @thehomebrewchallenge and updated this tutorial. czcams.com/video/jOU7H4mieBw/video.html
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Just watched, this is a really nice trick! Congrats and thanks for sharing!
@@rafaelpestano7436 no problem!! 👍🍻
So, you're just using gravity to move the beer to the keg? I'm confused on how the beer will transfer if the pressure equalizes in both the fermentor and the keg after you let the initial pressure out of the keg to start the transfer.
Yes it is gravity, the air space gets transferred to the fermentasaurus as the transfer happens. Physics or Big people magic.. what ever you want to call it.. lol
LOL you crack me up man, Cheers!
Short Circuited Brewers The way I like to think of it is just as a standard siphon, but with a pressurised headspace, rather than ambient pressure. Great videp
It took me awhile to visualize this - “How does the airspace move to the fermenter?” When I remembered watching a siphon, the carry hose is not completely full of liquid, this gives a pathway for vacuum and pressure of air to equalize. Great idea.
is there a way to bottle with the fermentasaurus?
Sure there is a screw on hose bard for the bottom. Or if you force carb in the Fermentasaurus you could user a counter pressure filler. I have a video of using the Blichmann quick carb to force carb in the Fermentasaurus. czcams.com/video/mODk7JZZInQ/video.html thanks for commenting Kelvin! Cheers! 👍🍻
well, you just helped me decide my upgrade next year!!!
I love mine!! 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers Hello, can you explain please why you need to force carb in order to bottle from the fermentasaurus with a counter pressure filler ? Isn't the beer already carbonated if you carbonate under pressure ? My goal is to not use a keg and bottle the carbonated beer directly from the fermentasaurus. Thank you ! (a video on this would be amazing :p)
@@spikejonze6652 you are correct in that the beer is carbonated to a certain degree. BUT it is not fully carbonated. The reason is temperature, fermenting at ale temps does not allow the CO2 to enter the beer at the pressure I am fermenting at. You would have to increase the pressure significantly to carbonate at ale temps. Unless you have a CO2 tank it is almost impossible to do what you are asking. It is a great idea though! 👍🍻
Brad you need to do a demonstration of the process. Instead of quick pictures pop ups? Thank You for Brad Hambrick agreeing with me on this video!
Kevin Holbrook I can do a video of the process. How much do you want to see? Hooking up the hoses? Can you tell me what part wasn't clear? So I can include that detail in the video. Cheers and thanks for the feedback! 🍻
Yes! That is exactly what I was getting to is the actual hook up connections and show others of the bubbles in the carboy of being transferred over to the next container.
Kevin Holbrook ahh ok the carboy transfer! Yes I will do another video when I transfer one of my other beers to keg this week..
Pretty sure the latest video covers what you asked for..
Hey Brian. Getting ready to do this with my All Rounder. How did you decide to use 10 PSI? Is that the final pressure you finished fermenting with? (ie. if I ferment to 15 psi, would I set my regulator to 15 psi for the transfer) It seems like I would want to match the transfer pressure to about the same pressure that the fermenter was at. My "big people magic" is a little rusty haha! Thanks man! Cheers!
The pressure will equalize and gravity does the work. So it doesn't matter what pressure honestly. 👍🍻
Brian, I just tested this method and saves a lot of CO2. The only downside is that is takes much more time to transfer. Did you notice that?
Yep. Gravity. 👍🍻
you still need to swap the lid dont you? hence letting in oxygen?
Nope. I Ferment with the pressure lid on and a spunding valve.
Curious how long yours takes. I've done it a few times now and seems to take about 2 hours.
It does take a while. My recollection is that it took about an hour. How far above the keg are you setting the Fermentasaurus?
Short Circuited Brewers trying it again and increased the tubing size to 5/16 and increased the height difference. Going MUCH faster. Looking like 30-45 minutes. Thanks!
@@BrianRomanowski awesome glad it worked! 👍🍻
I’m starting to get into closed transfers, how fast should I expect to go through a 5lbs CO2 tank?
rotaryracing1982 it doesn't really take that much to do the transfer
Short Circuited Brewers awesome. Currently don’t do much secondary but I was looking at doing these with a SS brewtech brew bucket
rotaryracing1982 just make sure to use low pressure. It will work fine. The SS buckets are not made for higher pressure like this vessel. Cheers! 👍🍻
That colour!! what's the recipe?? :)
It is a great kit from MoreBeer. Here is a video review we did after the transfer. czcams.com/video/AWXeJS1ecW8/video.html Here is a link to the kit: www.morebeer.com/products/haze-craze-ipa-grain-beer-brewing-kit-5-gallons.html?a_aid=shrtcrct
I just pray. Autosyphon and pray.
That's one way to do it.. lol Cheers! 🍻
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Ditto. Hard to follow. But thx
What was hard to follow? I'd like to improve..
Seemed fast. Talk this line that line splitter etc. think you need to slow down and shut more hands on Hey your videos r great just found this one hard.
I may have to revisit/update this with the fermzilla or all rounder. 👍🍻
Why even need to transfer to keg? Can't you just leave it in the fermentasaurus indefinitely?
You can. BUT then your fermenter is tied up until you drink all the beer, and the fermentasaurus takes up a lot of room in a fridge. (Wouldn't fit a keezer) 👍🍻
@@ShortCircuitedBrewers in Australia I can get a model of fermentasaurus minus the collection bottle on the bottom for $70 and a corny keg for $100. (See snub nose fermentasaurus, shorter and fits better in fridges) So I'm better off buying another fermentasaurus to free up a fermenter than I am to buy a keg.
Are you a one man channel?
Yes I am!