Kevin Rudd - The Rise of China as a Global Geopolitical Power
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- At this event, Asia Society President and CEO Kevin Rudd delivers brief remarks and joins Former Irish Ambassador to China Declan Kelleher in a conversation on China’s rise as a geopolitical power within the international system, the challenges presented by China’s economic and foreign policy, and the global impact of U.S.-China competition.
About the Speaker: Kevin Rudd became President and CEO of the Asia Society in January 2021 and has been President of the Asia Society Policy Institute since January 2015. He served as Australia's 26th Prime Minister from 2007 to 2010, then as Foreign Minister from 2010 to 2012, before returning as Prime Minister in 2013. He is a Senior Fellow at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, a Distinguished Fellow at Chatham House in London, a Distinguished Statesman with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington DC, and a Distinguished Fellow at the Paulson Institute in Chicago.
Recorded on the 14th of May 2021
Kevin: am an overseas Taiwanese, I should tell you that the West can only "help" Taiwan, if 1. the West is ready to recognise Taiwan diplomatically, and 2. the West is ready to take Taiwan economically out of China's sphere. If the West is not ready to do so, please leave Taiwan alone. The West cannot keep on doing divide and concur, and it has no or little moral ground to keep Taiwan out of China in the name of democracy and human right. China is now the 2nd largest economy in the world, and will soon become the largest. It has not launched or joined any war in its development process, unlike the US, or even Australia, it deserves respect in the world stage.
If only the Taiwanese leaders see this. Put bluntly, Taiwan is just a pawn to the west as they wrestle with China for supremacy. It could be in a great position to benefit from this geopolitic contest, but sadly the populist leadership do not see it
Almost half of Taiwanese want to unify with China, especially the older generation that has not been brainwashed by the West.
China is the future, Taiwan will just be part of the supply chains.
US weapons industries want to unload the excess unused weapons and Taiwan is the best target at the moment
Taiwan is just 100km away from mainland. No one can take it away form China's sphere of influence. It's just simple physics.
Whoever lives in Taiwan should stop this anti China sentiment. This is not going to end well.
Remember this, China has been there for a thousand years, in one form of another, it will be there for another thousand years.
While the USA will leave Asia eventually, like how they leave Afghanistan. Afterall, this is not their core interest.
Asia affair shall be taken care by Asian, not anyone else.
they need Taiwan to be in the middle in order to sell their obsolete military assets to Taiwan at an overpriced rate.
The west is always myopic about China. And you are right. President Xi is and will be a great leader. But China is not just about President Xi. China under whoever has to carry the great country forward to its next destination. Complete eradication of poverty within China will be achieved within the next 5 years. Shared development with the world will continued for the next 50 years.
This is all so hypocritical. If any of these human rights nonsense were to be applied, USA would be a complete pariah..
The US and her 4 eyes in violation of the UN charters invade Panama, Iraq, Venezuela, sponsored the Arab Spring, regime change, the Black shirts of HK, supporting Israel to incarcerate ppl of Gaza. The worst human rights abuser ever.
Capitalism had been fatally injured by fiat money and brutally insulted by cryptocurrencies. The West has became a global parasite. China and Russia won’t release the West from its responsibility of plundering the world this time around.
@@AdaptableAutonomousHouse china has taken the role of no 2 parasite, with the resources its consuming around the world.
@@somethingelse9535 Resource consumption, when compared, the West has been consuming resources at an alarming rate for the past 300 years.
90% of the total aggregate pollution of this earth is caused by the West.
In short, the real parasite is the West - which includes Australia, USA and the entire Europe.
@@clocktower1164 Resource consumption 100 years ago was tiny because world was so much smaller. The amount of resources consumed now is massive, all for China. I'd know living in Australia.
Try to educate yourself first before making comment, you are making a fool of yourself.
This is a 'Western'-centric interview putting only the West's perspectives on the issues in question.
Yeah but he's not talking through greed like many westerners, and he's not talking to save his life like many easterners must do. He's talking straight talk. Keep an open mind
@@Simon2d3d use it this is your oo
Uhh... well yeah, IIEA is the Institute of European Affairs. What do you expect? Anymore incredible insights?
Any documentary you'd watch, whether on China or whatever will have a bias. If you understand Mandarin, you could watch a Chinese show about this, and guess what? They will indoctrinate you with their views! So, we try to get various views, but in the end filter it through our own view. Cheers! Ni Hao!
I'm Chinese and I appreciate Kevin's insight on China and his perspective from an Australian interest. I respect Kevin because comparing to other westerners, at least he knows something and he does respect China from the bottom of his heart. This is why Kevin is well-known in China and people in China respect him. And I miss his term as the Australian PM, it was the honeymoon of Australia-China relations
Yeahh, his term was the time Australia sold to China
@@tumpalsagala6258 Hardly, he was the one that helped convince the US to start the ''Pivot to Asia'' which started the encirclement of China by the US. He is just a clever diplomat that does a good job at protecting Australian interests. Instead of being a raging Sinophobe.
Nope. You are fake and not a Chinese.
@BRUHMNDM First of all you are not Chinese, which means your opinion of Kevin Rudd's level of respect on China do no matter. And second of all, if you are indeed Chinese, then you must be a fool, which reinforce my earlier statement that your opinion of Kevin Rudd's level of respect on China do not matter.
@@limitlesssky3050 This is basically the brainless westerner I was talking about
African benefited enormously from China’s investment……just compare and contrast how the US/Western countries have ‘plundered’ Africa’s resources and left it to die Vs current development in Africa. It’s day and night!!!!! Ps: This is not to say that China is a saint but to recognise that the US/Western’s domination over other countries under the guise of ‘democracy’
After the night, the day has come!!
No one is a saint, and should not be thought as one.
I agree with the views of colonialism/(predatory) capitalism. But this "China helping Africa" is not really an economic reality, more of an propaganda/trying to influence public one. If anything, where it does happen, it's more of the same old capitalist colonialism, child labour, talking about cobalt and other rare earth metals that China IS right now investing and seeking for. Not much else going on from China there.
Kevin Rudd is the greatest Prime Minister we have had in Australia. He saved us in Australia from the 2008 global crisis. Kevin Rudd took it upon himself to learn Mandarin and is one of few leaders that communicate to Chinese Leaders in their own language.
We must have a selective/short memory. What do you think k.rudd communicated to the Chinese when he acted as war spruiker Libya 2011. The Chinese have longer memories.
@@octavecom429 Absolutely, he can not see beyond his nose🤔
@@octavecom429 Please enlighten us. I've got my keg of Coopers with me and I wait with anticipation. Cheers mate.
@@dranzacspartan8002 China had an oil concession in Libya, but was forced to evacuate its guest workers from Libya when the NATO premeditated attack came.
@@octavecom429 Ok ... so there is smoke. But ... what has this got to do with Kevin Rudd? I'm a bit fuzzy? The connections are not clear to me. it must be time for another Coopers.
At 1:00:58, Mr Kevin said "....on the future in dealing with this complex interplay of sovereignty and human rights again I simply go back to the priniciple of that we cannot under any circumstances act in a manner which undermines the integrity of the charter, the universal declaration of 48 and the international covenant....." I think it was well said by Mr Kevin but the message should be conveyed to US Department of State instead. I can only recall the only superpower that invaded Iraq without UN approval. See what happens to a peaceful country now. [Note: The invasion of Iraq was neither in self-defense against armed attack nor sanctioned by UN Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force by member states and thus constituted the crime of war of aggression, according to the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) in Geneva. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
Is it any surprise that the US regime is basically an international war criminal country. No modern nation has been in more wars than any country or the duration it has been. The US regime exist on war and if there is none to be fought, it has always manufactured some reason to create one; as is almost every war it has been involved in.
@@spadeysay6846 Absolutely right. After WWII especially from the early 90s onward, its behavior changed to worst engaging illegal wars with inpunity. Really need a few big powers to restraint it.
No human rights for the Palestinians?
I agree, the "weapons of mass destruction" US national security claim was a fabricated ruse for the American voters. Where are the tribunals for Bush? Or Obama the UN Peace prize winner, who also was the reigning drone strike King? Extra-judiciary murder of thousands by American soldiers? Where are the sanctions against the US? The US stranglehold on the worlds economy has to end eventually.
Yes, I agree. It's already been undermined. By the US.
What kind of example does this give to China and the rest of the world when the current dominant power abuses it's power and does as it sees fit.
Of course, it's a 'democratic' country, so it must be good and gets a free pass...
Kevin MUST rerun to Australia as PRIME MINISTER 👌👍best ever PM we ever had so eloquently articulated, very DIPLOMATIC 👌👍and very WISE alway able to mange difficult situations 👌👍super intelligent 👌👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
Yeh no thanks speak for yourself, he works directly with the CIA, IS a criminal coward married to a billionaire
@Hang Kasturi hahahaha I personally know Tony Abbott and I've got some funny stories too lol. Anyone who rises to the top of this colonial shit heap is guaranteed to a be a yankee puppet.
@Ronald Mcdonald , Just because he preferred to be led by US into the economic abyss and then crying out of unfairness in trade? Brains indeed!
Kevin is the shame of all Australians.
you aren't Australian.
Forget about the BS on allies. You failed to utter a single word when the us goes against the world. Hypocrisy at it's best!
that's pretty much the western standard of hyprcrisy.
Capitalism had been fatally injured by fiat money and brutally insulted by cryptocurrencies. The West has became a global parasite. China and Russia won’t release the West from its responsibility of plundering the world this time around.
the American empire only has colonies and vassals. right now it's looking for cannon fodders to counter China and Russia. Zelensky the comedian wasn't stupid enough to commit Ukrainian lives for the empire's interest.
@@willengel2458 that's a really perverse way to look at the defence of Ukraine. Russia has taken Ukraine territory, how could you spin defending that territory as following the Empire? The bad actor there is Russia. Its logically understandable why Putin wanted Crimea strategically, but it was a blatant "might is right" land grab, designed to placate certain hawkish folk in the motherland.
Even now in Russia there is talk about taking back the Baltic states. For no other reason than glory and to counter a feeling of humiliation.
Territories that China considers as her own such as Hong Kong and Taiwan??!! Unless Mr. Rudd suffers from some kind of selective amnesia, could he possibly elaborate on how they were detached from the Chinese mainland in the first place?!
Wasn't Hong Kong forcibly leased to the British Empire following the defeat in Opium Wars?!
Wasn't Taiwan occupied by the forces of Chan Kai Chek after he lost the civil war to Mao?!
Expansion of the Chinese Armed Forces?! Hasn't the US navy established chalk-points all around China, many of which are based in Australia??!!
International law? Why not starting from trial of the Australian soldiers who commit war crime of slaughtering Afghanistan civilians?
What's your point? PLA never committed an atrocity? Against fellow Chinese even?
@@Chris-bf5jp You are right. PLA never bombed and invade other country and kill innocent civilians. But that's not my point. My point is solid proof just came out that Australian soldiers slaughtered Afghanistan civilians, but nobody took any responsibility. Isn't that hypocrisy?
@@daqiansun7944 You are incorrect. Responsibility was taken by the top brass. An investigation has been under way for some time, both in Afghanistan and in Australia. Evidence is being gathered. Suspects have been stood down. A trial will take place and the evidence will be placed before the court. On that basis people will be convicted or not. It's called 'rule of law" It doesn't exist in China, unfortunately for you.
@@Chris-bf5jp The killing happened from 2005-2013. Still no trial now. If this is your "rule of law", then I am glad China is not part of it. But the Afghans are more lucky than Australian indigenous people. At least they survived to tell the world about the slaughter they suffered.
@@aleafstory_au *_"finger pointing is not a good strategy"_*_ ?_
You guys have been doing that all the time !
Im Afraid there will be dark days ahead for Australia. The geopolitics of morrison will stink for long time, as the Chinese keep growing, Australia will be left behind in the dust.
australia has always had a fantastic living standard, prior to its free trade agreements with china. Australia doesn't have swill oil restaurant meals or melamine in baby formula, just to exploit profits. alliances with new trading partners without hostility and coercion are welcomed. china is not the centre of the universe, although it seems you think it is. Dealing with the pig headed and corrupt ccp is perilous, decoupling is liberating. More countries will no doubt realise this once they get burned by the ccp
Don't worry MOrrison will not be re-elected - he will be long forgotten as the biggest lackey of the US
Smart politicians like Kevin are not very popular. what a pity!
The difference between Kevin and Scormo is as different as night and day.
USA?
@小熊维尼
Sorry. I don’t type Chinese well.
“You don’t think Chinese Communists do that?” Politicians can change their mind, that applies to all, including CCP.
chinese spy
Blowing in the wind is he 🙄
It is unfortunate that current Australian politicians lack the valuable knowledge / insights Mr Kevin Rudd possesses! Aging is a global issues in all develpoed and developing countries , not just China! Mr Kevin Rudd is a gem in Australia indeed!
I don't think Kevin Rudd knows what he is talking about.
@@matcha1693 no, no, no. China is making progress and also still learning every step of the way to become a good Supreme power of the world.
@@matcha1693 While Kevin Rudd is more knowledgeable about China than the average Westerner, he is still haunted by _"Yellow Peril"_ and _"Red Scare"_ mindset. Since the 19th century, Westerners have grown so throughly accustomed to the notion of Western dominance, so much such that the very thought of a non-Western, non-liberal democratic country like China eventually surpassing the United States as the premier world superpower someday in the future, is simply too frightening for many Westerners to fathom.
@@matcha1693 most non American westerners consider American exceptionalizm a joke.
However the magnificent economic rise of China (thanks to western corporation's taking advantage of low wages) has created an unsavory rise in Chinese exceptionalizm, evident in comment sections everywhere.
Taiwan? Taiwan has never been a part of China. Manchurian 1683 to 1895, then Japanese until 1945, then under Western occupation until 1952. There were two large Han migrations to independent Taiwan; one in 1622 (The Ming escaping the Manchus) the and another in 1949 (The KMT escaping Mao) Both were refugee migrants to a sovereign land.
The PRC and the legacy of the KMT cum Nationals are living a fiction. The Republic of China was a part to the surrender of Japan and its territories to the Republic of China in 1945, four years before the foundation of the PRC. In 1945, the ROC were appointed as “administrators” not conquerors.
Alternatively, the succession of ownership does not work from the transition from the Qing dynasty to the Republic in 1912, when Pu Yi abdicated, because Taiwan was already in Chinese hands for seventeen years.
The One China Policy is a political contrivance with no foundation in history. Note, the Treaty of San Francisco (1952) carefully mentions China only and not the PRC or ROC. The old dispute between Mao and KMT, is like a can kicked down the road, for someone else to worry about in the future.Unfortunately, us. But, these events have passed into history. It is madness to protect a province that was never a part of the Han motherland, where the West sees an invasion.
Kevin didn't have the courage to set the facts straight and fundamentally refute Xin jiang genocide lies.
why Rudd is out of Australian politics?
There is no genocide honey. It's a lie purported by the CIA an western msm
According to Stapleton Roy, the American ambassador to China (1991-1996), there is no 'genocide' in Xinjiang and the 1989 rioters in Tienanmen Square had gone 'too far' in his speech at Pomona College, California on Sept. 2020.
@@oscarchute6040 I found the video on Facebook. Roy was mostly balanced and was diplomatic. As this was zoom call with non China experts, I expected some wacks like that HK riot supporter. But it still follows the narrative if it's not real genocide then it must be cultural genocide. Again false. I don't expect these people to watch Grey zone or Daniel Dumbrill.
If he tell the truth, it may enable Scott Morrison to retain power instead. Xinjiang genocide is 'successful' because the Uyghurs grow in terms of number. I guess you can't help it these bunch of idiots are woefully ignorant that only the Han Chinese(the majority) is subjected to 1 child policy.
Kevin Rudd speaks eloquently.
doesn't he just. And mellifluous.
Mr Kevin Rudd is a gem in Australia indeed
He does think about things but did himself harm with the electorate because Bullied his staff.
@Why dose it matter What did he lie about for example? and where is the proof he is a communist? You just lied two times in one sentence.
It's really a pity Kevin Rudd is not Australia PM he is one of the few who understand China and the world at large. A great man.
Kevin Rudd's comment on China is enlightening and fair However, on the issue of China violated the human rights principle in Xinjiang, Kevin failed to mention that the genocide accusation by the West had been debunked and proven to be false.
Agree! Adrian Zenz and his NGO's reports are bogus and fraudulent. Mr. Rudd needs to go to Xinjiang and make a report. Many Westerners have been to the region and debunked Zenz.
He is Australian. He should not worry too much about the human rights of Chinese Citizen. Do you know the the human rights of Australian abriginals?
Why does Kevin Rudd keep twisting facts I wonder? Look up the island dispute lawsuit case raised by the Philippines against China in what Kevin Rudd stated as "international court" during the interview. A quick fact check one can see this case was not a case conducted under the International court at The Hague, but Philippine govt under its previous US-bought president with undertakings from US regime to pay for all legal costs involved to stage this "private" lawsuit. This case turned to a circus because essentially the Plaintiff (Phillipines) paid to hire a courtroom at The Hague, hired and paid for the judges to sat and acted over this case in their private capacity as legal professionals. The aftermaths of this circus is that Phillipine govt was handed the "victory" in a kangaroo court case where the plaintiff funded both the courts and bunch pay-for-play private lawyers/judges hence their judgement however positive can never be legitimate and enforced and it didn't comply with any international law other than the fact having western propagandist like Kevin Rudd knowing full well of all the facts but deliberately telling us half the story to twist the truth. BTW - president Duterte has made several threats to US regime and demand they refund Phillipnes the US$30 million that his government under the previous president has spent on that kangaroo court at The Hague
Cry again
I just spent 15 mins researching and everything you said about The Hague case was false. What do you mean rent a courtroom? Is this a YMCA where you can just walk in lol. This "kangaroo case" seems to be leginimate and officials in the PCA ( Permanent Court of Arbitration ) which is located in The Hague have stated that the case was heard and the verdict given.
Man this whole comment section is a mess and full of trolls/liars
@@farahabdulahi474 you spent 15 minutes looking up what and you dare expose your instant noodle brain to all? Try get some education on research skills before talking crap
Kevin missed the invasion by sea from the western powers, i.e, Britian, US, Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Portugal and Austria-Hungary.
@@matcha1693 Japanese or Tamil?
@@matcha1693refering to Matcha.
Always enjoy Kevin insight. Thank you
It was hilarious how a slight rephrasing of his points about China make them both obvious and applicable to all countries: China wants to a) not have their government toppled, b) maintain their territory, c) have a well-maintained economy, d) have enough military strength to defend themselves, e) have enough political clout to influence the international community, etc.
How is a) claiming South china sea ?? b) Invading part of Ladakh in India ?? c) claiming Taiwan as chinas territory ??
@@ashamon99 No problem. a) The People's Republic of China never actually claimed the South China Sea (SCS). The 11-dash line was filed with the U.N. by the Republic of China (now the government of Taiwan), upon the recommendation of the U.S. (their ally), in 1946 with no objections from any country. When the PRC came into power in 1949, they simply adopted China's internationally recognized boundaries. That's how the 11-dash line (now the 9-dash line) was adopted by the PRC. b) China would never invade India and this is easily demonstrated. Back in 1962, right at the close of the Sino-Indian War, the entire Indian military was non-existent and the Indian government was terrified that China would annex northern India. Instead, do you know what happened? China didn't take anything. In fact, China didn't even take territory which they claim, and India occupies, at this very time (Southern Tibet). So, no, China doesn't ever invade India. India, on the other hand, has a long history of causing border disputes with other countries to avoid criticism for domestic issues at home. c) Taiwan has been claimed as a part of Chinese territory for over 2,000 years; that's why they claim it. It's also occupied and run by...wait for it...Chinese people!
@@jasonjean2901 may I share this info with others who are confused?
@@medialcanthus9681 Feel free. What I write in a comment section isn't copyrighted but thanks for asking.
@@jasonjean2901 can’t say it better in anyway, nicely done
Thanks Mr. Kevin Rudd for his insightful talk about China and international relations, with first hand knowledge.
啟示錄四匹馬一一出現，白紅黑灰。依蔣介石的牧師焦保羅解釋，白馬代表白宮美國，騎士拿著弓，代表兩次世界大戰都是遠征，紅馬代表紅色共產黨出現，騎士拿著大刀，使地球人相殺，黑馬代表歐盟出現，騎士拿著做生意的天秤，為經濟利益結合。前三匹馬精準應驗。第四匹是灰馬，代表死亡，有权柄赐给他们管辖地的四分之一，用刀剑、饥荒、瘟疫、地上的野兽去杀害人。 第6章第1-8节. 英國超前布署，把一整座机場改著停屍間。等同把松山机場改成停屍間。此次瘟疫是人類歷史最嚴重的。
枯骨復活與反攻大陸那一個難？台灣已有一匹人宣傳向匪投降，如邱，賴與黎老大等。在老蔣時代，這些人早被槍決。西元前586年上帝把先知以西結帶到墳墓谷，叫他呼喚枯骨復活，果然這些枯骨都復活了。這指有一天上帝要以色列復國，世人就知有神，1948年應驗了。我服役管四十條登陸艇，是老蔣準備反攻大陸用的，當年準備出發時，美軍登上國軍艦阻止反攻大陸。反攻大陸在人看來不可能，在神看必成，耶穌自天而降消滅東方來的兩億地球联軍後，將統治世界一千年。
Rudd has been a real let down. Instead of speaking truthfully,he went on a moral high ground of democracies fighting for human rights and rule of law but why was he so quiet about Israel bombing Palestinians and annexing their land and other numerous abuses by his beloved "liberal democracies "?
@@5328889 陽光下沒有新事物，歷史和經文是同一回事。
China obviously is not perfect, however, when criticize China, two fundamental rules must apply, first, whether the criticism is based on truth or fabricated lies. Second, is the criticism based on international laws or (Anglo-Saxon) rule based international order? If the criticism is based on fabricated lies and (Anglo-Saxon) rule based international order, then the criticism is not criticism, it should be called smear campaign.
I know there are a lot of people who hate Kevin Rudd, but you have to admit, he is one of the smartest people when comes to geopolitical knowledge and wisdom.
Yes. Especially when you completely disregard his and his family's personal interests of staying on the 'good side' of the Chinese Communist Party. But why let these facts dissuade from his eloquent rhetoric? Sarcasm intended. There is a reason why he was kicked out of Australia. Queensland can barely tolerate him. Beijing still loves him. Go figure. A meaningless New York think tank funded by Beijing hardly qualifies.
Having listened to Mr. Kevin Rudd for over a decade, he has extensive professionalism in politics, experience, knowledge and unbiased views of what China is all about, unlike the the current amateur politicians. What a shame he is not running the Australian politics.
When Australia talks about moral values, they should take a look at the indigenous people in the land that they live in.
They kinda do 14.7billion a year🤷♂️ google it yourself
@@wozcrawford5048 14.7 billion of what ?
Kevin like to associate everything Chinese with the word"regime ".Kevin may be able to speak mandarin, but is definately not China friendly.
If Kevin is an expert on all things Chinese just because he happens to speak a Chinese word or two, then, anyone who utters *_"Mama-Mia !"_* must be excellent in Italian cooking !
Kevin is just another guy with a western hegemonic mentality. He is ethically and intellectually challenged. But that is not so obvious for the average western joe.
@@walid7885 I concur !
@@clocktower1164 'A Chinese word or two'. LOL. Idiot.
Say whatever you want but he is definitely right on most things. Just because the US is a hypocritical country doesn't mean that china is an angel. Both the US and china have the same aim of world domination.
Thankyou Kevin for your great insight into China and the way she operates so well.
China seems able to sort out most of her problems without violence or bloodshed, and seems able to achieve an outcome that is far
better for all concerned than how the problem started.
Compared to the west who chooses aggression and bullying with the outcome being an absolutely terrible disaster time after time and hundreds of times worse than how the problem started.
I consider this to be because Chinese leaders have had decades of organisation and achievement while western leaders are voted in short term with little or no experience in leadership or diplomacy.
The situation between Israel and Palestine with America interfering is a prime example of how things should not be done.
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I would like to add that much of Chinese history was influenced by Confucius thinking. Confucius thinking places a lot of emphasis on moral acts instead of violence. Ironically it did not stop corruption in ancient China and is perceived by many as the major reason why China fell behind as one of the ancient civilisations.
@Sonia Reynolds are you mental. Baking powder?
@@chickensatay3960 communist junta does not China make. Real China is Taiwan not corrupt evil commies that won’t even carry communist ideas anymore
Just remember that chinese people where super dead poor, mostly starving, under the china communist party over many years for nearly 50 years, it is only the generosity of the USA and the West that enabled China to prosper. Today unfortunately the china communist party under mr xi is becoming more oppressive, seeking to control chinese people, seeking to invade Taiwan, who by all accounts is independant, who the west will now defend, by nuclear warfare if necessary...!!!
THANKYOU Kevin!!!
Dear Kevin. Your statement that China us l8vibg dangerously for 10 years since Xi took over the leadership since 2013.. the fact is China is forced to be defensive since Obama wanting to return to Asia, the case of Missile attacked at Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia in 1999 with the excuse of using the wrong map while GPS was in place..China has no choice but to keep quiet n never to show its head above the water.. Now this Western Collectives is using old Opium War playbook to intimidate China with the example of Hong Kong Riots n Xinjiang Genocide... so China has to tactically alter its structural narratives to ASSERT ITSELF after having more than 90% of Chinese endorsements of China CPC government.. it'd assertiveness is derived from a position of strength, which Western Collective has already branded it as Wolf Warrior Diplomacy...( mind u , let be advised that the Chinese diaspora is also adopting similar stance to counter Western Neo Liberal Democracy Christianity White Supremacy Egoism as one will aptly consider the consequence of GUILT, INSECURITY N PARANOIA TOWARDS THIS CHINA REJUVENATION AS PROVEN BY the escalation of ANTI-Asian hate crime , no thanks to being looking like Chinese.. .. this racist sentiments is a direct result of political propaganda by politician n main stream media fueled by negative narratives by Western think tanks, public intelligentsia n academics.. to scape goat China as a threat to unipolar rule based order dominated by a faction of Western Developed nations lead by USA....devoid of any universal/international benchmarks stipulated by United Nations..
Any sovereign nation within the UN has the legitimate right to manifest its own national life Cycle with healthy , free and fair competition just to quote Paris Club is questioning China BRI must base on Western Collective Environment, Sustainability and Governance for projects while China insist to base on the national life Cycle of a nation in view of Western developed nation have already well passed 1st phase industrial revolution with high standard of living compared to developing nation.using carbon footprint as the benchmark.. most Western nations including Japan have already passed the Zero Carbon Threshold..while China will arrive in 2030 ..
To be continued..
But yet the US regime and the west keep moving the goalpost even when China play by the accepted rules. Sometimes even moving the goalpost is not enough for the US regime and the west. They insist that they have the right to place the net in front of their goalposts too.
What about the illegal war against Iraq led by Bush and Blair? I suppose that's rule-based. It cannot be that rules apply to others but not yourself.
Also, the apartheid regime of Israel and the illegal stealing of Palestinian territory. UN created and the US provides military aid, so they must sanction Israel for this new land grab.
Excuse to become holier than thou. Been through China. No oppression seen.
Before the pandemic, about 140 million Chinese left their country and tour the world.
After their travel, 140 million of them went back to China!
Would they go back if they were oppressed?
Chill off Bear poo, mass exodus? You are either dump or pretending to be dump.
Equating outbound tourists with exodus? Bwahahaha!
@Anti Pooh-Bear
Bwahaha, you keep on showing your ignorance! There are about 50 million Chinese living outside of China and not 140 million as you said.
140 million was the number of outbound Chinese tourists who enjoyed their vacation in other countries and then went back home. Don’t post crap
and be a ridiculed here.
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@Anti Pooh-Bear
Silly, you are shamelessly putting words into my mouth. Where did I said Chinese living abroad have moved back to China?
And don’t be presumptuous, I’m not Australian. And if you are, you must be one of the few uncouth ones. You put shame to Australia!
@@jimshaw9034 their family would be oppressed if they leave.
Thanks for the information, insight and the back history on current day China; food for thoughts on the country causing so much fear to existing establishments.
Great questions raised on current situations but corresponding solution elude us still!
Even though change is order-of-the-day, can co-existence be a real answer?
This is, and continues to be, the decade of living dangerously, indeed.
Just pray that no sparks comes forth to ignite a hot war. That'll certainly be the end of us, all of us.
Good presentation and discussion. Kevin's comment about respectful dialogue towards China was right on target. Something ScoMo (Australian Prime Minister) seems to not understand.
This so called honorific society has had and will continue to have a murderous totalitarian regime designed using Orwell's 1984. Yes we need to be cautious but perhaps it's time to get 24 nuclear powered subs of which a few have nukes. Then, and only then will this less than honorific CCP desist.
It is arguable that ScoMo does not have the intellectual depth to understand. That include all in his cabinet, especially the 3 or 4 ministers dealing with foreign affairs, trade and defence.
All I want to say is there aren't many people working in Western media or Political science that have read beyond those cold War books 📚 Kevin is quiet rare
The system of governance in China seems to have a very strong and sustainable structure. It provides for continuous implementation of policy especially over a medium and longer term. That’s probably one of the reasons why they are so successful, and in a relatively short time span. No time is wasted over political bickering, changes in policies and leadership. Capable leaders can be identified and groomed for succession from an early stage!
Hey guys, can someone explain to me what he means about human rights violations in tibet? I know about the british imperialism through india and the inheritance of the caste system along buddhism, but i understand that system was abolished years ago by china, so id appreciate if anyone can give me some insight on that. Sorry for my english. Greetings from argentina
Their critism comes way much too late for the West to go after China!!
Refer to comment below by @ghunghun.
There is no human rights violation in Tibet. Western media are full of bullshit and lies. The real human rights problems are in the West itself.
Basically a bloody subjugation took place when hans chinese claimed Tibet as its own. As you can see from the above the pro-beijing camp like to live in denial and wont concede genocide or errasing cultures is a human rights issue.
Thank you all for your insight
Deep admiration for Kevin Rudd - a true intellectual who has great understanding of China and world affairs. 👍👍👍
Blessings.
Kevin R. Good analysis.👍😍
His Chinese accent is almost on point
@Hang Kasturi Mandarin, just like English, isn't exactly standardized, so it's kinda silly to be knocking his intonation and choice of words, don't you think? I mean, what is considered "bad English" by some in one place isn't necessary considered "bad English" by others in another. Just because he doesn't speak Mandarin exactly how it's spoken in China doesn't make it "bad", otherwise the English could say the same thing about how English is spoken in any other place that speaks English.
@@echelon2k8 when you get the tones of Mandarin wrong, not only is it cringey, but it can be difficult to understand what you ware saying as a change in tone, could be a different word. Take Mark Zuckerberg's Mandarin for example. His tone is all over the place. People say his mandarin is good, but they are only being polite. He has a lot more work before anyone can say he is fluent.
No discussion about dethrone of an elected govt .,no discussion about a country's businesses liberty ?.these internal conflicts will themselves weaken their determination for so called rule based governence
What a gem. Art of diplomacy needs homework. Mr Rudd is an epitome. Lots of love. Chennai, India
do not over state Kevies China knowledge, the last time he had a speech in China, he told a joke, in mandarin to a group of uni students, they all laughed, but not at the joke, they laughed at him.
Nahp chinese dont make fun of others like that. Not even they reacted with anything on fall of DonaldJTrump.
much respect goes to Kevin ,, for his dedication & knowledge , service to humanity
Hahahahahahahaha
It is always easier for retired politicians to tell the truth when they are no longer subject to periodic election pressure in a plutocracy where elections are extremely expensive. Eisenhower made his famous Military Industrial Complex speech at his farewell speech, for politicians know the faith of Kennedy when he made the cabals speech while still in office.
Nice comment.
I have two questions to Mr. Rudd. You addressed Taiwan as a country many times in this webinar. Did you ever address Taiwan as a country during your capacity as the PM of Australia, publicly? If not, why? Second question, when you were giving the three countermeasures against China when it decides to unite the whole country, or in your word, invading Taiwan, the third one is to isolate China. What’s your confidence level of achieving that task? How many countries of 180 plus in total would join you, given that China is the biggest trading partner of 60% of these countries? Thank you.
Thank you all gentlemen!!!!
Too bad Australians aren't more intellectual like Mr. Rudd instead of emotional like Morrison.
Kevin Rudd lost touch with reality. Democracy action in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya. Gangster democracy-shame on You
@James Warden Jr. So, nothing to worry about.
@James Warden Jr. LOL...they already are. You are welcome to your fantasy world. Largest economy PPP. Largest trading partner with EU, and almost every other country in the world. Keep dreaming. Militarily they are at the point were they are a regional hegemon. The US would have to massively increase defense budget (factor of 3 I figure), and it appears that the US Navy has already given up on the 355 ship navy.
Kevin Rudd is always very wise in any event.
Like Kissinger. Birds of a feather flock together. Very naive!
@Hang Kasturi well this is clear evident that not all Chinese understand good English, and sure as hell not all Chinese are smart enough to discern that he is anti-China
I think there are a number of miscalculation of Prime Minister Rudd that I am very disappointed, as I have always admired his views in the past.
Unlike USA, China does not have coastlines in BOTH Atlantic and Pacific. As Mr Rudd has acknowledged, China has to share influence in the West Pacific with the USA, Japan, both Koreas and Australia, The reclamation on the deserted islands in South China Sea would not bring threats to any of these countries. These reclamation’s, even if it is for military use, can only be for defending Chinese interests and not for offensive purposes.
Mr Rudd mentioned China’s interest in Central Asia, Middle East, Africa, South America and even Eastern Europe. Unlike USA, China has NO means of exerting military influence over these areas which China can only conduct busy in these areas by civic means. So what is wrong with that?
It is pretty obvious the West has grossly over reacted to China’s uprising.
As much as everyone in the West has pictured Xi to aspires to rule forever. The truth is Xi has only been in office for less than 10 years, short of German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s 15 years by a large margin. Furthermore God or nature has already set a term limit for everyone, even Mao. We do not have to doubt God or Nature’s wisdom on how much term limit would eventually be given to Xi. It is natural for people to be interested in Xi’s term limit, but the West has, again, grossly over reacted.
I am not angry with you. I just feel sorry for you.
It is just part of their strategy to defame and demonise China and XJP. Nothing out of China will be seen as good by the west. Even when China share and donate CV19 vaccines with the rest of world, it is negated as vaccine diplomacy!! The hypocrisy of the US regime and the west is bottomless, inhuman and evil.
@Why dose it matter if I ask Australia to stop invading Victoria, Tasmania, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand, what would you say?
But that is what you are saying about China.
China has a consistent claim of territory throughout its 70 years of history. Within this period, it is going through a what Mao called a “housekeeping” process. He said, we clean our house before we receive guests and friends. Sometimes such “housekeeping” process is more active than others. But China has not been at war with any other country for 36 years. Last time when China was at war with Vietnam, the world welcomed it. China had stopped Vietnam’s aggression in the region.
No countries in the region have any appetite for fighting a proxy war between China and US. They had already learnt it in the hard way in the last century. So don’t even try.
@Why does it matter You are suffering decline in mental faculties. Only Mongolia is foreign land, I am yet to see evidence of their invasion.
Kevin’s assessment of China, sounds like US Foreign Policy without coups, military juntas or tinpot dictators!
Kevin Rudd is a Communist spy
@@simonhhhhhh9906, tell me how communism was exercised in China in the last four decades..!!
@@simonhhhhhh9906 As a RULE I do not retort NAZI BS - you are if you think Rudd is a commie!!
correct the translation of “ Tao Guang yang hui “ as “ hide your strength “. It should be “keep a low profile “ . The former is rather hostile than the latter one.
Agreed!
Right.You are a Mandarin expert.
An up-to-date scholarly and impressive exposition of how to understand China today by a politician/diplomat who has made a study of the subject for many decades. Thanks, Kevin!
It is plausible that Mr. Rudd has deep knowledge, understanding of International and China matters. But he focused mainly on policies and politics in comparison of China and the West, but failed to mention the Confucius value that guides Chinese (whether a CCP member or not) for thousands of years. In dealing with African countries, as did Admiral ZhengHe did more than six hundred years ago when he sailed through Indians for several times, China seeks mutual benefits and win-win outcomes, not westerns' style of aggression and zero-sum mentality. With regards to human rights, there could be elements of overreaction in local government part (America has
Congo is a very with ‘win win’ being WIN - win
I laugh every time he talks about human rights
Mr Rudd with be a good US president.
Highly appreciated….I learn a lot….thank you again….your avid viewer from Canada.
Great video on how China has developed in recent history. It is so important to consider their evolving role in the world. And, as always, Kevin Rudd is an important voice on this topic and discusses this brilliantly.
A quote from the Three Kingdoms which every Chinese has watched on TV, one of the four major literature classics of China, states:
"He who wins the hearts of men will rule the world."
The same applies in the 21st century, where the internet makes information dissemination global.
My bet is on China because integrity and benevolence (a prequisite Confucian value for any government officials) will always triumph over hypocrisy and aggression as practised by USA. China's foreign policy is win-win. USA's foreign policy is "if you are not with me, then you are against me" A zero sum game mentality.
If USA wins, people around the world will get the status quo, a world full of sufferings in many parts of the world.
If China wins, there will be peace and harmony around the world, a better world. A global Singapore, so to speak, where people of different cultures and religions can live in a thriving global village..
USA rules by divide and rule, hence the constant wars and the global humanitarian crisis that follows, caused mainly by the West.
China rules by uniting the world, hence the BRI, allowing global cultures to live in harmony. To live and let live. Finally, zero wars, unless of course, the West continues with their military imperialism.
Good man and good visions!
...good vision that can only see two feet ahead 🤔
It takes knowledge to understand knowledge and more so with wisdom.
I can not disagree with anything Kevin Rudd says. Being Australian its good to hear a rational voice, I fail to see how he is biased in anyway, it is smart to see the perspective of China, found that interesting.
The best way to prevent a war in the Taiwan straits is for the Taiwanese separatists to not cross the red line that PRC has clearly drawn out. Mainland China has been totally consistent and predictable in its actions. One China principle, committed to peaceful reunification but without renouncing use of force. The Taiwanese separatists are the ones who need some sense knocked into their heads
In reality, as evidenced by this excellent example, it's the U.S. itself that's a threat to world peace since its refusal to support the UNSC's peacemaking moves in West Asia indefinitely perpetuates one of the world's most dangerous conflicts that it seeks to exploit for its own self-interested strategic and economic ends.
Kevin Rudd is an Australian Hero, he was the most outstanding number 1 Prime Minister in the country history.
Except, Rudd bullied his staff. Say, a speech writer using a word he didn’t want in a manuscript or yelling at an airforce flight attendant because he couldn’t get the lunch he wanted.
The human rights argument would have a lot more weight behind it if the west, and especially the United States, actually practiced what it preached. Our own human rights record is dismal. We pay lip service to the principle when it serves our interests, but ignore the concept when it's inconvenient. How are things in Gaza this morning, by the way?
I have followed Kevin Rudd throughout. His China stance has changed since becoming CEO of the Asian Society. I use to think the guy had integrity and some what impressed with his spoken Mandarin. The sudden change of tone on China showing true colour of a career politician. As Lincoln puts it. “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
Australia misses Prime Minister #26 Kevin Rudd.
Er, no they don't. His term as Prime Minister started one of the worst periods of political instability in Australia's history.
@@RandomAussieGuy87 Excuse me? WTF are you on about? Do you NOT remember the 2008 Global Economy meltdown? People losing their savings ... thousands committing suicides? No ... you don't? Do you know why? BECAUSE Kevin Rudd single handedly stopped it from hitting Australia. As an example, he turned cash into assets like buying computers for each child and building Gymnasiums in every Public (and Private to some degree) schools. After Kevin Rudd did this, other countries followed suite ... but it was many years too late for them ... the economic damage had been done. So ... do Australians miss Prime Minister #26, Kevin Rudd? BUT OF COURSE WE DO! Now ... where's me damn Coopers? Oh ... it's Ok ... I found it. It's in my hand! Now ... off you go and get some schooling into you. Some people are just (negatively) incredible.
@Terence T A Coopers to you mate. Very succinct ... and to the point!
Smart speaker
As a person who lives in China and believes in western liberal democracy values, i must say i am deeply disappointed in the western countries' diplomacy and rhetoric towards China in the past few years, because they directly resulted in the marginalization of voices which support the gradual democratization in Chinese society. When the west MSM call what happen in Xinjiang "genocide", or support violent rioters in Hongkong, the overwhelming majority of Chinese people reach the conclusion that this is not about supporting democracy anymore, it is simply about geo-political containment.
Do you feel their is freedom of worship for Christians in China ?
under what international instrument did the united states started the iraq war? would you hold the united states and the great britain accountable for these kind of unlawful war crimes?
The age old doctrine of "might makes right"!
International orders written by Anglo empire! 😳🙄
His understanding of China, especially its political system is still at the skin level. He is a westerner, so can't blame him for thinking in black and white.
Great talk, but the whole discussion on the topic of human rights is based on a fallacy that China has committed "genocide" against the Uighur minority.
I'd expected a more objective approach, but it seems that would be too bold for a a man in his position to disagree the international kangaroo court that has already delivered its verdict. The allegations are based on exaggerations and blatant lies which fall apart under scrutiny. The US targeted the Uighur minority as a potential weapon against China as early as 2017. Extremists were groomed overseas before being sent to commit atrocities in Xinjiang. Subtler actions have taken place in Taiwan/ Hong Kong to similar ends.
Unlike Western powers who seemed helpless in the face of terrorists and could only offer war and death as a solution, China managed to do something extraordinary, which was to convert extremists back into the fold. This out-of-the-box approach has been framed as an act of absolute evil, even as the vast majority of the Uighur population now live in peace and security, with improving living standards.
With the US, when war is not possible, next come sanctions for marginalization, and when that is not possible, it's time to paint them black which is a simple affair via the mainstream news monopolies. How the world's most corrupt gang of human rights violators can claim to be the united paragon of morality is an absolute farce.
Well said
Failure to address the US' wholesale ignoring of international law v.v. war crimes, abu graib, guantanamo etc etc etc etc makes any discussion of the applicaion of international law to China pointless. from what I see they obey more international laws than do the US and the west.
The wisdom of Salomon descendants.
Who is Salomon ? Do you mean Solomon ?
@Sonia Reynolds I still don't understand...
Do not think Kevin Rudd is honest in his so-called analysis.
Kevin Rudd has described the dual circulating economy postulated by China very clearly. It is surely natural for every country to develop along such lines. It is heartening that the Chinese leadership is approaching its national development in such a wise manner. In fact it is note worthy that China's leaders are able to constantly understand the headwind and avoid the storms. The world, and especially the USA and its allies, must never doubt that China will never allow Taiwan to be wrested from its orbit and become some kind of a foreign base to be used against China. Taiwan is like Cuba to the USA although not in exactly the same level, bearing in mind that Taiwan has been an inherent part of China since 1683. Any interference and attempt to break Taiwan from China will be met by war, no ifs not buts, and I dare say China will be ready for war in such event. It is the western powers that is required to moderate its approach towards China, not for China to moderate its approach to the western provocation.
Just like Deng Xiaoping did! Correct?
Not exactly, Authoritarian policies are like two sides of the coin. On one hand the economic reforms paved the way for the rise of China but he was also responsible for the one child policy that led to a demographic fiasco like no other in the world. Balancing the expenditure with a dependency ratio of 2:1 is going to be biggest challenge for China. Especially when they already have exahusted the avenues of growth in the infrastructure sector and BRI turning out to be an economic fiasco. If one studies history they would understand infrastructure is the quickest way to propel economic growth. This avenue is no longer available to propel economic growth. Glong forward massive investment would be needed to grow especially in a world where Chinese manufacturers will increasingly loose access to developed markets. All and all get ready for stagflation before the end of the decade.
One thing that bears considering is that while China is quick to recognize the human costs of its conflicts in the Second World War and the Korean War, it also considers itself to have emerged victorious from those conflicts, something in which it takes great pride. And it certainly doesn't regret its participation in those conflicts.
By knowing little bit of Chinese language and dealing with the Chinese government briefly does make Kevin an expert on China. His views often neglect the hegemonic behaviour of the west including his own country. The west has caused tremendous chaos and atrocities in the middle east, Africa and north America in the past decades.
Are you Chinese ? Just asking for a friend ...
Two of the circles can be considered real strategies. These are environmentalism and active engagement with the third world in addition to basic nonchalant trade.
The rest are either just completely natural instincts of a nation, or elementary political and economic choices. Of course reunification with Taiwan is a must. What other possibility is there? These are not strategies.
Moreover, to effect these instincts or elementary choices there are also natural procedures, not even tactics, because of the extremely high probability of eventual success and lucidness of the situation.
China is simply just flipping the calendar and winning enough. Even little NK abused the USA verbally and built up without much consequences. Greater and greater comprehensive national development without execution of threats simply wins enough for China.
One of the best PMs
Kevin Rudd is arse-kickingly competent and articulate and he was and still is, Australia's most loved Prime Minister.
Even if through the improvement of AI and can track every black market deal all they will manage to do is remove the lubrication that allows society to function.the tighter they hold things the more that will slip through their fingers.
As a rules based nations and societies, I am sure the western nations will be delighted to be able to purge all the black market deals from its systems whether internally or externally. Or are you saying, despite the Chinese best attempt to establish a rules based society, you are still trying to criticize it??? Man, you westerners are really hard to please, not like anyone should give a hoot of pleasing you. 😆🤣
@@limitlesssky3050 When the US says "international rules based order", this means like rules that a teacher applies to schoolchildren. The rules apply to the children but not the teacher. This is totally different from international law which applies to everyone. And yes the US desperately wants to crack down on crypto. We will see how they do in tracking Monero. Cryptocurrency is a good thing for China, since it is a manufacturing economy creating wealth. It is bad for the US, since it is a parasitic rent-seeking economy stealing wealth.
What a joke, whole bunch of pirates, warmongers and drug dealers talking about human rights. Take care of your own people and solve your own issues. If every country taking care of it's own problem, the world would be a peaceful world
The greatest Australian Prime Minister of our time
@Why dose it matter when you spell sure as shore, then I can hardly consider your opinion to be worth anything. Spare yourself and everyone else from your lack of intellect, and keep your thoughtless opinions to yourself 😂
Very wise words, but Rudd would be wise to display some humility in relation to demanding that others should respect human rights while the Australian Government under his Prime Ministership banished refugee seekers to third states who were unprepared to look after them, leading to the death of some.
Brilliant analysis !
America: everyone needs to follow the rules I agree on except me
You forgot Prof. Kishore! 😒
Rudd as always ever so eloquent
Rudd, not as rude as many other Australians!
Rudd lost his early popularity because bullied his staff. Australian don’t like bullies.
Hen hao ba!
What are Professor Ben Hui teaching?
許跟Ben Hur.
To think that China aspires to be a world power can be a misunderstanding. What China has been doing has been to see to it that the Chinese people enyoy a better standard of living
and at the same time capable of defending against foreign aggression, which China experienced during the 19th century up to the first half of 20th century. But the success of these perseverances caused dissatisfaction and anxiety in some quarter of the world, and the current situations ensues as a result.
Rudd is as biased as ever. In all his speeches, he pisses out this narrative as if China is not allowed to build up its military reasonably befitting its size and economic clout to protect itself. Only the westerners can, not other races.
Kevin Rudd is US primacy supporter. Unless China commits economic suicide nothing else will mend the relations.
You almost forgot Taiwan as part of China and is there internal problems nothing to do with the international because one China policy has been recognized by the whole world for many many years i’m sorry you’re so wrong about that Mr. Kevin Rod
Thank You Mr. Rudd. The best concept! At the end of the Day we all follow the law. And the law of the "Nations" is the United Nations!
And China currently violating the most sacred law- though shall not commit genocide!
People like Rudd are like chamberlains. I lived in China, but I never studied China. I learnt enough just working there 8 years, and there government is a brutal Leninist state, intent on expansion!
Rudd + Kissinger = retreat, sell-outs! (Masked in intellectual arguments).
Better listen to Merisheimer!
This quote shows a more prevalent attitude about many who had been learning Mandarin:
"The last 12 months events have significantly discouraged me to seek any form of long-term occupation in
China, whether it's work or study, and I'd discourage any foreigner to
do so as well. I think most foreigners feel the same these days.
People who once considered studying or working there, have lost all interest.
Not unless the country goes through a much-needed reform (different
leadership)..."
I much appreciate Mr. Rudd's deep knowledge on a variety of subjects regarding China. I have followed you for quite a few years and am a big fan.
And I can understand that from the perspective of an American think tank which promotes the US's position of a global order, that you have now to support that narrative. You did not get into America's policy of protecting its global dominance by containing China with 100 bases, or the US's promoting unrest by funding the Uighurs, or creating the false narrative of a genocide or even mass incarceration, both of which are easy to disprove by just going there.
I understand that it is important to adhere to many of the international covenants covering human rights, use of torture, land mines and so on but I have to point out that the US is one of the world's largest violators in many parts of the world. Its invasion of 5 countries in the Middle East, where millions have been killed, tortured or made into refugees comes to mind. It appears to me that we are better to move to a multilateral world order rather than a rules based world order where the US as a teacher sets the rules, and everyone else except the teacher has to obey.