HobbyZone Apprentice STOL S 700mm RTF and BNF Basic - Model AV8R Announcement and Review
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- The Best Ultra Micro Trainer Yet! In Model AV8R episode 108, we feature the brand new Apprentice STOL S 700mm from HobbyZone! This remote ID exempt jewel was inspired by the best selling Apprentice line of trainers and the Ultra Micro Sport Cub S. Combining the best of both those worlds has resulted in the most capable, durable, and easiest to fly ultra micro trainer on the market today! This true hobby grade trainer is perfect for the curious would be model aviator and experienced pilots alike. Included is a free trial version of the RealFlight Trainer Edition to set new pilots up for success. In this review we'll cover all the details and of course give you a great flight demo! Check it out!
Get your Apprentice STOL S here: www.avantlink.com/click.php?t...
Chapters:
00:00 Intro/Announcement
00:55 Model Assembly
02:49 Model Specs/Price Point
03:28 Model Features
05:11 RTF Package
05:32 About The New SLT6LP Transmitter/Flight Modes
10:59 Free Trial Version Of RealFlight Trainer Edition
12:50 Flight Intro/Set Up
13:24 Flight Footage: Flight Modes Demo
18:43 Flight Footage: Schoolyard/Park Flying
22:22 Flight Footage: Gravel Road Bush Flying
23:51 Our Final Thoughts
#new #trainer #rc #aviation #bushplane - Zábava
This is my endorsement, buying one of these, and donating to my club as the first club RTF trainer...
Actions speak louder than words. Paying the hobby forward is the best thing anyone can do in this hobby. Bravo Mark. I'm not surprised...you're a good dude.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Paying it forward is just paying it back with some accumulated interest... besides I have been blessed with Mentors (or is that "enablers" ?) who set the example... Best Hobby in the world...
Yes sir, it is!
I started with the Sport Cub S 1s and it was a great little plane, but I can see that this one solves many of the short comings it had. Excellent video.
Yep Mike, the Sport Cub S1 has taught a ton of pilots to fly. Hopefully this one will do the same for the next generation.
I just bought the s2 as my first a couple days ago and I'm very excited to to learn.
A great package for beginners!! And a very nice flying UMX STOL plane!! Great review Adam and Heidi 😀👍
Thanks Ian!
Really well made video. You have set the bar for the BEST RC Plane review CZcams channel. Great little plane too. A nice upgrade from the Sport Cub. Thanks for this review.
Wow Will. Thank you my friend!
An ultimate 'pay it forward' model. That's a great summation of this offering, Adam. Good review.
It is! Thank you miss Gina.
Great video Adam & Heidi! Kudos to HH for this plane and package! We NEED new pilots in the hobby and this may very well show up under many Christmas trees this year!
Couldn't agree more! Thank you very much!
Great review and flight video Adam. I’m planning to pick one up, not only for my grandkids to fly, but for me to see what it’s capable of performing. Well done!
Thank you Michael. That is awesome...I'll bet you'll make it look great!
As soon as I saw this I thought COMBAT !!! - long computer tape trailing from the back.... five or six of them up at one time - Rock and Roll - only issue is that for a small aircraft it is not very cheap.. Combat in Beginners mode - that would be great fun, Adam - I flip things off a lot (sorry just messing about I cannot help it) - I thought your review of the aircraft and the TX very clear and informative, thank you, I can see that the leaves in the trees are turning ready for FALL - I think it is a very good little aircraft for Beginners and we all had to start somewhere..
Thanks Martyn! Lol...yeah I know you like to joke, so does Bubba! Yes sir fall is here, glad the temps are down!
Thanks for another great review. Your method of explaining the functionality, capability, and purpose of the planes you review is exceptional.
Thanks very much!
Very nice presentation / review. And Heidi did an exceptional job!
Thank you kindly!
Great Video! I learned on an old, used Mini Apprentice three years ago and it was a wonderful plane to fly and own. But I love the micros and this looks like it would be fun to fly AND share with my grandkids! Thanks Adam.
Thanks Mike! I agree...the Apprentice STOL is perfect for that.
Another great review and demo Adam! This is a really cool plane and not a bad price at all.
Thanks Keith!
Liked the final thoughts on this video. Great job.
Thanks Tug!
A very thorough review mate, thank you. I didn't think I wanted to subscribe to any more RC youtubers, but you deserve it and I'll look forward to checking out more of your videos.
Thanks very much, welcome!
Beautiful in the air 😎👍
Did a video recently with my Champ S+ and I was saying Horizon needs another 2s brushless rtf UMX.
This looks like a great one, I think anyone can be successful with this. My only concern is the RTF price, an Aeroscout is not much more but it's a lot more plane for the money.
Great video Adam and a nice release from Horizon, curious to see what other micro planes the future will bring.
Thanks very much! Check out our final thoughts at the end of the video. We covered in detail why this plane is a better value by a good bit than an Aeroscout for a new pilot wanting to give RC flying a try.
@@ModelAV8RChannelYou are right, I skipped the ending and I forgot about remote id, especially because I'm not in the US.
I hope the future will bring many more affordable UMX planes.
Great review sir. We'll done and a good job explaining all the Details. Looks great for teaching new pilots. Or easy stress free flight for experienced guys. The labels for the switch are nice they need to sell a decal sheet so I can put some on my dx6e lol lol
Thanks very much! I'm excited about this one. I love flying the advanced stuff, but man there is nothing like the look a new pilot gets after that first flight. I love to instruct.
Thank you for the in-depth review. You have helped me with my final decision on what plane to purchase to get into this hobby.
Welcome to the hobby! Happy flying.
thanks have a great day and I will be learning to fly next week
Outstanding! Best of luck! Use the sim first if you can.
Thank you for the in-depth review. I am a beginner, and shopping for my first r/c plane and you really helped me make a decision to buy this as my first plane.
So glad it was helpful. Welcome to the hobby!
You make it look so easy I wish it was
Adam, glad to see so many options coming out for a newbie to rc flight. I got my restart into the hobby with its bigger brother. The 1.5m Apprentice is an excellent model as well to learn on. I understand the advantage this one has with its size and weight. I can bet from what I see of the 700m version that it will do quite well. Excellent review and presentation of this one my friend. 👍👍😊
Brad, thanks brother. Like your YT name says...paying the hobby forward is what it is all about!
@@ModelAV8RChannel 👍❤️👍. Absolutely.
great vid thankyou for your time I've been thinking about getting into the hobby as I've been rc cars for 20 years but was always a bit worried about the cost off crashing and destroying a new model but after watching this cant wait to buy my first plane thanks again
So glad you watched and thank you for the kind words. It is such a great hobby filled with great people. Welcome.
A great beginning plane. Pretty cool Adam👍
It is Jude! Thanks man!
I just unboxed and flew mine. I opted to buy the bnf. I found that it has a programable esc with a nx/ix transmitter. Anyhow i was able to set up thrust reverse on it. Not much benifit to it, but it does work.
Very cool. I need to bind ours to a regular TX and see how good I can make it fly with full control of throw and expo.
Excellent gateway to our Awesome Hobby.
#youwontfindabetterhobby
Agreed!
I just ordered one should be here next week, The only things I have flown are the old HZ Firebird Scout and Firebird Commander they were just throttle and V-tail pusher prop super simple...Hopefully it is a easy as it looks..
If you handled those well this shouldn't be too much of an adjustment. Start out in SAFE mode.
Nice work Adam! This looks like it'll be a solid beginner lineup for HH going forward.
Thanks man!
Great review as always Adam, nicely thought out and presented. The TX is a great upgrade in design for HZ umx's. It's getting away from the video game control style, though it had the same features except for throttle cut. I like it though I think all umxs should be this size and under 250. 😉
AirHammer out!!
Thanks brother!
This plane fills a need. Nice review Adam. Did you notice any throttle to elevator mixing in expert mode?
Thanks Dan. No, didn't notice any. It will climb at WOT like most high lift airfoil trainers. If you bind it to a more capable TX you can mix that out if you like.
Another Awsum well balanced perspective video Adam !!!! Thankyou!!! (The older I get the more not common sense I encounter) I have the mini apprentice and the wee sport Cub S which for the price here in NZ was a disappointment..... This sub 250gm stol 700mm makes sense. The mini apprentice is one of my absolute favorites !!! Recently I've purchased crashed rc planes through marketplace and repaired them (funkycub 1800, avios bushmule, savagebobber.....) all appear to have been flown once / maybe twice, uncommon sence has been great for my hanger but I feel for those new pilots who didn't have a great experience and were probably put off....... Seems a shame. Anyway as long as some of us encourage nubs with a good experience and suitable starter planes there's hope ...... Happy flying !!! 😉😎
Thanks very much! Man, I feel ya on that. Common sense is a rare commodity these days. I love the advanced stuff, but I also love anything that will give newcomers a real chance to succeed in the hobby, and experienced pilots a chance to pay it forward.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Amen that !!! 😉😎
I must admit I brushed over this a few months back but I am now thinking this is the start of the high qualty sub 250g planes that we are hoping to see with regard to the new rules , wouldn't it be great if they did a whole range of warbirds this size that you could use with the stock Tx that comes with this superb little trainer , or bind it with your favorite DSMX compatible Tx. Thank you for a superb video review and also your perspective and insight. Definitely going to pick one of these up after watching this.
Thanks for the kind words. It really is a neat little plane. I love how far we've come with the ultra micros, and I think they will only get more popular. You'll enjoy it!
Another good starter plane and even if you have limit space just to play around with it, I which they used the Jst plug instead of the ph but still a good starter plane and if I want to take a new pilot up too, and Adam I am still waiting to get to the field to take the rebuild P-47 up lol hoping this week I can make it to the field good review as always ☺☺🛩🛩👍👍👍
Hey Frank thanks man! The used the PH plug so a newer pilot doesn't get confused and plug in a 3s pack.
I could see that happening and even me since i have 3s jst could pick it up and plug them in there they are close to the same size 👍👍@@ModelAV8RChannel
This isn't something i would have guessed they would have come out with but guess its cool for new pilots and those with small places to fly. Look like it flies pretty good. now wonder when they will release the regular size of this. That was what i first thought it was. A tail dragger version would be kinda neat.
I pulled the battery tray from my 1.2 and turned it 180. Tail dragger apprentice. works great and I didn't bother with a tail wheel.
Yep, really a bargain considering all the factors.
Nice little model Adam. Great information. Yours is always the best, straightforward and so easy to take in.
You & Heidi are a great team✔️✔️✔️
Hello! I have to say two things!
1. Finally a brand launches, in my opinion, the perfect trainer, economical, easy to fly, full of features that allow you to evolve, perfect size, etc.
2. Finally, there is a well-documented video in these examples of rc models, it is very common to see a video like 'Hey, what a cool little plane I have'. But with you I was very impressed by the professionalism that the entire team put into making this video. And for that, THANK YOU!
I do have a question.
You've mentioned that Horizon is planning STL protocol in the UMX line.
1. Do you when is this due?
2. Will the Air Tractor be affected by this? I really hope so
Again thank you and great video!
Vito thanks so much for the kind words! Really glad you are enjoying our channel.
I'm not sure when exactly, but I'm being told maybe sometime next year. I'm not sure which planes will be updated with the new dual protocol boards, but hopefully the UMX Air Tractor will be one of them! Great airplane.
Adam.. this plane is gonna be a "game changer" I could teach someone to fly this plane in 4 hours or less...
I agree my friend. Very significant release.
Hey! Thank you for this review. It's a very small plane to start with, but(!) it's great bang for a buck and I can take this with me on the bicycle! Fits to my dx6e... Would be a good start after flying aerofly7 at PC.
You are very welcome! Great plane for your mission!
What flight time is to expect from the 300mAh liPo? What's the charging time at a Graupner Ultramat 14? Last time I charged sth for RC it was for my buggy and in Nimh times. Think bout getting 2 extra lipos to fly some time a s just swap quickly
It depends on throttle management. Flying it aggressive maybe 5 min. Flying it docile maybe 8 or 9 min. Get several extra batteries...you'll be glad you did.
I got my one,let's see how it will go,it would be nice if you get a glider as big as possible under 250gramm as well.
Looks like a fun little flier. I'm already thinking about how it'll look with floats... and a 3s esc... and flaps... oh man. I'll just Frankenstein the thing if it shows up at my house 😂👍
Lol! Basically Al...you need a UMX Timber EVO...
@@ModelAV8RChannel
😂👍🏼
ive been looking for a slow and relaxing RTF plane to fly.
was looking at the arrows pioneer, but now ive stumbled unto this....
decisions
I just bought my 1st rc plane, Apprentice STS 1.5m. I crashed and broke its fuselage on its maiden flight. I fixed it with Gorilla Glue and waiting for my rc flight sim before I fly the plane this spring.
Awesome. Welcome to the hobby! A Sim is a great idea.
Great review..one question will this radio also bind with my other receivers in my planes i fly using my Dx8 radio? Thanks
Thanks. I don't think so no. There will be planes you can use it with, but not yet. That said, your DX8 is a better TX.
I have the BNF version but I can't seem to turn SAFE off. Also the elevator travel is very minimal. Even with increasing the travel on my DX6e the elevator travel does not change.
With a UMX plane the board is locked from programming, so you can't disengage SAFE completely, but it should be on your gear switch so you can flip between AS3X and SAFE. Also it won't recognize servo travel in the TX, so you have to make manual adjustments by moving the ball link in on the control horn. That said, we didn't have to do that to have plenty of throw. You get much less throw in SAFE. Switch it to AS3X and you'll have more throw.
seems like it's pretty tough...should hold up well... 👍
Should...you know me and the boys will do something stupid and test it...
Good review and nice little plane. Do you think it could take a higher capacity battery? 500mah perhaps?
Thanks! Maybe. Might be a bit nose heavy. We got about 6 to 8 minutes with the 300's.
Jusy got this lil bird looks great and love the idea of the stronger foam .. my biggest issue is the battery connection why do they keep changing from regular plugs its silly. Great video thanks mate appreciated 👍
Thanks man! I think they went with the PH connector on this one because there are so many batteries available with that connector. Thankfully, there are adapters for other packs.
@ModelAV8RChannel just ordered a set of connectors 🤣👌 I was looking at a rc car I have and ive got a couple packs with ph connectors on them so I'll be able to maiden tomorrow hopefully all going well with the weather 😀
@ModelAV8RChannel have you tried 3s or any bigger than a 300 2s? I think the size is going to be the biggest restriction with battery's
No the board/ESC isn't rated for 3s.
Great video and useful informations. I want to ask if I buy the bnf type, what transmitter will bind the aeroplane receiver? I must have only spectrum transmitters?
Thanks! We cover your question in great detail at 8:57 in the video.
Yes. Thanks I saw it now.
Looks good , how would you compare it to the Umx timber ?
It does, great new trainer for sure. The Apprentice STOL is a way better option as a first plane. The UMX Timber EVO is a more powerful (3s), more capable, and more versatile plane for a more experienced pilot. It can be used as a trainer, but is better suited as a second plane.
Hello nice work again! I would like to ask you which of the UMX models can fly the slowest and most stable in a range of around 0.7m? I would like to start teaching my daughter. Apprentice STOL S 0.7m, E-flite Turbo Timber Evolution 0.7m, E-flite Conscendo 0.80m or E-flite Air Tractor 0.70m? I mainly care about the speed so that she can control it with my assistance.
Look into the UMX Radian or UMX Night Vapor. Both are simple 3ch planes that can fly very slow. Easy for a young one to stay ahead of and have success with.
Ca you pls try to water ski this or the umx timber on a really calm day.
Hmm, the UMX Timber might do it. You need stiff gear.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Cool would you choose this or a umx sport cub s for back yard flying.
I just bought one and I must’ve came down too hard and snapped the rudder. Holding it with tape until the new body comes. It’s my first plane and my first body replacement. Guess I’ll learn quick how to fix these
Yep, part of it, although with the right tape that rudder should work for a while.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I need to find flexible tape. Because right now the rudder doesn’t have enough play to control it easily after landing. I also suppose it has to do with me learning how to land.
Yeah man that is part of it for all of us. We've all been there. Fortunately, all it takes is practice, and that is fun. Take advantage of the sim...it helps.
@@ModelAV8RChannel how do I use the sim? Just download it to my laptop and plug my transmitter in?
Yep, you punch in the code on your card on the RF website.
Looking at this versus the Aeroscout s2. Seems like a better package without breaking the bank. What do you think?
The Aeroscout is a great trainer for sure. You'll need to purchase a battery and charger with it though. This is a complete package, although I'd suggest getting more batteries.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Thank you very much! I am wanting to get back into the hobby and want something that does not need remote ID
What is the remote I d manual
@ModelAV8R How many minutes can you fly that plane with a fully charged battery?
It depends on how aggressive you are. Just tooling around at half throttle maybe 8 min, really hot dogging it more like 5 or 6.
Is there already another plane were I can use this transmitter.
Not yet. Later this year I think.
Do you use also the same transmitter like in the package rtf,even in experience mode?
Yep, we used the stock TX
@@ModelAV8RChannel you are so good....I can't do it:(.....yet:)
Just a matter of time. You'll get there!
What is the flight time with rtf battery? Can a larger battery be used to extend flight time?
We got around 6 to 9 minutes depending on how hard we flew it. There are bigger batteries with the PH connector, however, the lighter battery keeps the plane light and the CG where it should be...so basically it flies better lighter.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Great channel and appreciate the reply. Any thoughts on this STOL vs. AeroScout vs. Apprentice S 1.2 for first trainer, cost aside. The larger Apprentice is a dream to fly in RealFlight vs the STOL or AeroScout because of this I am leaning in that direction, but not sure how well RealFlight translates to the real thing. Thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks John. If it is doable, bigger flies better. Both the Apprentice 1.2 and AeroScout are great trainers, but in my opinion the AeroScout is about the best trainer out there. Flies great, rugged, has very good training modes, its a tricycle gear configuration, and the pusher prop makes it much harder to make a mistake that breaks the prop...and gives you more clearance in grass.
is it better plane then the Timbers
For a brand new pilot, yes.
And how do you bind the BNF version?
Like other UMX planes if you plug a battery into it with the TX off it goes into bind mode.
@Model AV8R what wind speed would this model take?
Depends on skill level. For a beginner I'd keep it below 5mph
@@ModelAV8RChannel thank you!
Great for beginners, but for pilots who have made it past first plane this is a no go. I'm not sure how HZ calls this a STOL plane without flaps. It looks like a toy, unlike UMX models, they are beautiful. It doesn't come with a box that as its container. After saying that: i will be recommending this model to my cousin as his first plane.
Hey Brian. It is a great plane for beginners and recommending it to a new pilot is a great idea, but I have some things for you to consider based on your other observations...
A plane doesn't have to be an Edge 540 for an experienced pilot to have fun with it. I did. It's also a great idea for experienced pilots to have something they don't mind letting would be new pilots try. Whether it is or isn't for an experienced pilot is a matter of opinion...not a set in stone fact.
Not all STOL planes have flaps, and that isn't what determines if a plane is or isn't a STOL plane...short take off and landing distance, and usually the capability to operate from surfaces that are not smooth does. Having flown both I can attest that it can take off and land in the same amount of space a UMX Timber does, and from most of the same areas. You punch and pull with either one and they're off the ground instantly...flaps or not. Just FYI, the Apprentice STOL has a higher lift airfoil overall. The UMX Timber has more capability elsewhere though. The idea behind the Apprentice STOL is to give a new pilot some options with it after they learn to fly...like STOL flying and basic aerobatics...while keeping it easy to learn with.
It looks like a trainer to me, not really a toy. Lots of dihedral, and over sized eppennage for added stability. Most good trainers look that way. Again though...this is a matter of opinion.
Finally, the box is the container if a pilot wishes to use it. That's why the assembly was designed the way it is. The wings use wing bolts, and are purposely easy to remove as is the gear so it can be stored/transported in the box.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Thank you for the explanation! I did not realize planes can be considered STOL planes without flaps.
The box, yes it can be broken down, to fit in the box really easy, probably better protected too. I have to remind myself that Eflite and HobbyZone are two different companies under one parent.
I will be picking up one shortly for my buddies birthday and try to get him into the hobby. I am happy this came out so new pilots have one less hurdle too worry about before their first flight.
Yeah man, when you think about it...most RC planes are STOL planes on takeoff if you punch and go. Lol. They are all so overpowered compared to scale that even a lot of warbirds can be off the ground in a plane length or two. With some like the Apprentice STOL the wing loading is so low, and there is so little mass (Wing Cube loading) that once they are on the ground they almost stop instantly.
It is a great thing to pass the hobby on to others Brian. That is the most significant thing any of us will ever do in it. Your buddy is lucky to call you a friend.
Wish I had you as a friendcancel scared of fly minds
Will it fly with a 3s pack ?
Nope, 2s only. That is well covered with all the other important details in the video.
Legal limits? On an rc airplane!?
Look up FAA Remote ID
@@ModelAV8RChannel can this plane bind to a DX6i?
Yes
Is this better than a UMX TimberX ??
As a trainer...yes
Is the Timber X not a good trainer? Or please explain your answer @@ModelAV8RChannel
What about for someone currently flying at beginner/intermediate and ready to switch to advanced?@@ModelAV8RChannel
No, the X isn't a good trainer. It's intended for more aggressive aerobatics/3D. You need intermediate skills. Good 2nd plane, not a good 1st one.
battery??????
Well covered in the video...
A nice startup plane, looks like a great flyer. Mind you, you make flying look effortless with your skills. 🫡
Aww...thanks my friend!