What Happened Before Gundam SEED Freedom? - The Prequel Explained
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- The prequel to Gundam SEED Freedom, "Moonlight Valkyrie" explores the relationships between Compass Members Agnes Giebenrath, Shinn Asuka, and Lunamaria Hawke as well as the sabotaging of Kira Yamato and the Rising Freedom. One thing is for sure - do not trust Agnes.
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0:00 Who is Agnes Giebenrath?
0:32 The Minerva Crew Remembers Agnes
1:22 The Moonlight Valkyrie
2:28 The Importance of Faith
3:38 Shinn Asuka's Backstory
5:30 Shinn and Luna Train
6:28 Do Not Trust Agnes
8:00 Agnes's New Partner
8:33 Rey Saves Shinn
9:48 Who is Leonard Valway?
10:18 The Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice
10:57 A Sinister Plot Unfolds
11:23 What Happens in Gundam SEED Freedom?
11:53 Kira Yamato and the Freedom Sabotaged
12:38 Will Agnes Betray Compass?
#gundam #gundamseed #seedfreedom #anime #gundamseeddestiny - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I trust Agnes about as much as I trust Rau Le Creuset 💀What do you think about Agnes now?
One more Shinn slap
Better designs
Shinn needs to slap her since he is her commanding officer and is rank higher than her.
Agnes is somehow worse then flay. Imagine if she was stationed in the Minerva
Tbf I think in that specific example Flay would be worse because she would be uncontrollably space racist the entire show@@Matanumi 🤣
Luckily, Shinn got Lunamaria as a girlfriend before Agnes.
even in real life.....
As if he'd ever be with someone like Agnes. Shinn might not be bright (the term, not the guy), but there is no way he'd ever wanna be with Agnes after what she told him.
Can’t believe Agnes actually love Shinn.
Agnes really has low standards
@@1607Adi_Manz Yeah. Low like her. Wait. Your ,,low standard" wasn't an insult to Shinn right?
You can't fool me, Flay
Ewwww Fllay Allster?
🤮🤢
Poor flay..she is a good girl
@@Menaceblue3Same VA by the way.
Flay fooled me when i was a kid watching Seed, and I have ZERO regrets
Sadly she's already flayed
If they have Pink/Red hair and they're not named Lacus, Meyrin or Lunamaria you stay the fuck away from them.
Bruh Cagali is there
Flay Allester and Agnes Giebenrath 😂
@@kumomeme7852 cagali is blond
The Faith members: "you know.... got cut in half" got me hard😂😭
It's cool to see that Lunamaria has more roles and development in the Prequel than in Destiny, i forgot she's even wearing a red uniform
lunamaria was such aside piece of a character from destiny that she never really got any development at all.
Despite being really popular and talented and well liked in all the universe manuals. You can't really see her without shin-its almost like her character was created because of the relationship her VA shares with Shins in real life
She got enough as a side character. This is a shounen and even with 24 episodes its still tight telling a war story with 3 main characters. Friggin Athrun had more development than Shin at the end. It was confusing watch the main character switch as he pulled an Anakin.
@@summer7603 LOL the way the fighting was Athrun absolutely mauled. Not even close to what Anakin was fighting like. Not to mention he didn't get to face Kira in space.
Pretty much Lunamaria is the Sakura of Gundam Seed.
@@williamalfonso1373 even Luna had more action overall in the series than Sakura with 2 series
Where is Rau Le Creuset and his DRAGOON when we needed him most, we got another ‘Flay’to blast
*Rau laughing maniacly in background*
She was hiding in plain sight by hanging around his clone
He's too busy... Flirting with Murrue. 😈😈😈
No if you saw the movie she's way worse than flay by a long shot.
Like it would have been better if he just pop out of nowhere and shot Agnes while saying" blame this on the misfortune of your birth"
What man who has been with Lacus would ever even glance at Agnes? Kira knows he can do better
he did balls deep with Flay couple years back so...................................................
@@s0meRand0m129the thing is
flay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agnes
Well, he did went simp throughout the movie so....
@@junehalog024 no he didn't, Kira mental state was just in an absolute mess
That Agnes just force herself on him but when it came to respond, he pushed her away
There’s a reason why she wasn’t part of the Minerva crew in Destiny.
Because if she was everyone on the ship would have been at each other's throats the entire show
@@GundamHQ she might take advantage of Luna’s loss for her sister by stealing Shinn and impulse.
I wouldn't be surprised if Durandal considered putting her on the boat instead of Luna but Rey advised against it, since, due to having personal expirience, he knew Agnes would be a loose screw in the machine and that Luna would do better as part of the squad. Heck, Agnes was even less military material than Shinn. Minerva Corps was supposed to be an elite top unit, and it couldn't function well if its members were in a state of constant discord.
She was a traitor and a very unstable person.
@@Alejandra-cv7rj I wouldn't call her unstable. I'd call her unacceptably unbearable.
Shinn does surpass Agnes, as does Lunamaria. She’s so fake that anyone can see through her.
Yeah i think so to especially when he took down 4 black knights without any scratch on his destiny we can already assumed he's in the same tier as kira and athrun.
@KingfAce-qb9xk and he did not overextend his power consumption, even have enough to be able to spare energy to Luna's Force Impulse and still continue the fight.
Massive improvement from Shinn piloting skills vs his Seed Destiny self
This was beautiful mate. It’s nice to have a little more backstory to Agnes.
After I read it I knew I had to give it some more exposure lol Glad you liked it
Flay among us.
The second coming of Flay Aznable
She is even worse.
They're voiced by the same actress too@@user-vo6iz7gh2f
I didn't know about their mother - but I guess I never paid enough attention to her voice to realize. Learn something new every day @Hewhotranscendsgodhood
@Hewhotranscendsgodhood
Via, Fllay, Natarle and Stella be like when Luna beats Agnes:
Yeet!!!
4:47 Rey is the man... he stood up for his bro!!
Yeaaaaaah, in a hilarious, cold, savage, not so moral crushing way. He so should've lived. Rest in power, Rey Za Burrel. The White Legend. 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
If he is still watching Shinn from somewhere beyond this mear mortal existence, then he must be 🥹 for his friend right about now
Rey is literally Rau but good boii. Damn you, Gilbert.
@@rafaerudono him, Rau and Prayer are all the clone of Mu's father
@@s0meRand0m129 Yeah I know
@@rafaerudono And the writters. Rey deserved far better. To kill him off like that. Not right. So not right.
"Not risk her life" in the same place that got a super weapon fired and an ace got his name before the series began.
That was the joke of why I put the clip there haha - but in actuality at THAT time it was largely a safe place to be stationed unlike back in SEED. Could not pay me enough to go there during that show
Considering C.E timeline is a retelling of U.C timeline formula with many twist. Then it can be assumed that Agnes is Quess Paraya expy.
Kira never got military training so who knows how well he would actually be in hand to hand combat
He's definitely strong - we saw him take out Sai pretty easily. I think most people just ended up voting thinking that Kira would go easy on them like he did on Shinn and not go for the kill etc.
I was expecting the vote to be split a lot more too
@@GundamHQYeah but looking at a properly trained military personal (elite level), none of them match up to Kira in terms of MS piloting. However Athrun, Andrew, and even I bet Decosta, would have and have no issues taking Kira on hand to hand.
Coordinators are genetically stronger then Naturals. And Kira is Super Coordinator. His endurance is among the best.
Do you guys remember when Kira in the first few episodes threw a big guy? And I was just shocked coz I didn't know about Coordinators that time and that they're built different
@@GundamHQ Sai is just a scrawny administrator tho lol and he was just punking him at that point 😂
Wish that I knew this before I watched the movie. Her character makes sense now.
Don't spoil but do they not explain anything about her?
@@charlesray9691 Nope. She was only introduced as part of the squad, nothing more.
@telluhwatboy that's so dumb, happy I saw this then
I still haven't been able to see the movie - but that sounds wildly dumb to not really give her any backstory IN the movie
@@GundamHQ I agree.
She's basically Quess and Flay Combined
What you're describing sounds like a tactical airstrike
Flay was different...
But she is from Seed and has her hair and VA.
More of a GSF Quess (who gets shot down but lives in the end!)
Who is Quess?
@@RyZeN707 She's from Char's Counter Attack
The two most worst girls in gundam…
Just watched the movie thanks to being caught up thanks to you and your videos. Also, the intro song of the movie is crazy good.
@TechnicSky Happy to help! The movie is so fast/packed with references etc. that in hindsight made me happy I decided to make these
I gotta admit, my favorite SEED character is Athrun, but somehow I can relate to Shinn. He's got good character development in the story despite being childish and rash in Seed Destiny.
Athrun really grows up as a character all they way into Freedom you can see how he is changed and I really enjoyed his character growth, Shin in Freedom is like Athrun in Destiny
I was the opposite, used to like athrun but not anymore, good thing that they do shinn justice here.
I honestly hated Rey after Shin "killed" Kira and his tone with Athrun but i will say this....he was a true friend to Shin and his death was sad but he had a family in the end
I never hated Rey. His death was 2. greatest injustice in Gundam franchise (Shinns disgrace was the 1.). Rey was just like everyone else at Messiah, doing what he thought was right. He should've lived. They should've brought him back. I mean, he finnaly makes HIS own decision and then just dies without trying to live HIS life, for however long it lasts. Lousy writting🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮. 😭😭😭😭 Shinn shouldn't have added his best friend to his list of people he lost.
He should've lived. Someone even made a fanart of what could've been with Compass if Rey were alive. It is beautiful. Go check it. 😭😭😭😭😭
He deserved better.
He deserves to be brought back, as a living charachter, memory, spirit or a hallucination (but that 1. thing most preferably).
The writing. They should've got Morosawa replaced but I doubt Fukuda would agree to that. I like the idea of ZAFT focused story but, dammit they've wasted it.
Lunamaria be like:
Brightslapped her while her makeup is scattered
I'll buy my ticket right now if that's in the movie
Ohhhh yess, Cosmic Era could use Captain Bright. Athrun is cool but lacks the balance between shoulder pats and face slaps (his greatest problem)
@@user-vo6iz7gh2fHe makes up for it with his fists 😂
@@elslfdsoiudhd5384 Yeah.
Avoiding chicks with a hair color even remotely close to Pink, Red or anything inbetween is paramount to avoiding drama *AND* death in the SEED universe.
And in real life!
B..but but...Lacus is so hot
Esp her younger self in SEED and Seed Destiny
Holy shit imagine her in the minerva with ray shin and luna.... and later athrun.... it wpuld be so nasty another harem girl for athrun
That poor man barely survived the ones he already had
And apparently she was after him as well? That would've been a total mess- shin may have not been the alpha of the Minerva pliots that he sorta fell into for being such an ace during his Minerva missions.
Funny how now, everyone loves shin for the massive redemption Ark he got in GSF
Great job translating and explaining this manual BTW- I believe there was one more "pre movie manual"
moral of the story: a person who thinks highly of themselves will stays single
Thanks for the backstory and info. ^.^
Glad you liked it - seemed like not many people knew about it so I had to share
Well, yes Agnes is great in MS combat... But Durandal has his eyes set on SEED capable genes of Shin 😂
U can say it in a literal sense with the way GSD went down with how well Durandal treated Mineva crew and their MS pilots.
Luna beat her tho
I forgot what is SEED again is it that berserk mode kira,athrun,shinn,lacus and cagali used?
@@KingfAce-qb9xk you can consider it berserk but it's more so of determined resolution when you see from a different pov.
Basically maximum focus and determination single minded only on a single thing.
But berserker can be considered as well because its the easiest way to achieve Seed mode. After all, say your family is being beat up and killed by this guy, out of desperation and determination, you rush to stop him, thus achieving Seed mode
To activate via other objectives are way harder, hence Kira in Seed Destiny can easily activate, because he was very resolute in his ideals to stop war
But he didn't Seed mode much in Seed Freedom because he was hesitating throughout
People thinking they can beat Kira in a fight on the assumption he won't fight back.... Did they all just forget what he did to Sai in Season 1? Or even forget what he is? lol
That's true too lol - that was definitely peak murder Kira though you have to remember - Flay was manipulating our poor boy into gunning people down left and right. Further and further down the line we see that change. I think Kira would definitely fight back - I just think he might take it a little bit easier on us than Athrun and Shinn
@@GundamHQ True. Kira would probably let us off easy but only after giving us a reminder of how strong he is.
That being said, I don't think he's beating Athrun in a fist fight after seeing... some trailers lol. And Shinn, all I can say is... poor guy. Lol
Kira is good but remember that he have less experience than Athrun in both MS driving skill and combat
Remember, you are a ultimate coordinator but your best friend can punch the s*** out of you to teach you a lesson
@@vxcodm4121 Right. Kira never had formal combat training. That's why I said he ain't beating Athrun in a fist fight. Lol
Kira ain't beating Athrun in a hand to hand combat but he's definitely the most talented coordinator pilot
Kind of funny that in the original drama CD it stated that Shinn had surpass Rey and Luna in a exam when they had to redo it. I mean Shinn is a red coat so this story might just be when they started out like first year cadets and maybe after first year Agnes went to another class while Shinn, Luna and Rey were still in the same class together.
Shin got better after hard work and determination which is what you want in a gundam pilot like shin.
@@Phantom19913 yea of course you want that in a gundam pilot.
Okay having seen the movie, um, unless I missed something this so-called "Leonard" guy... Never saw or heard of him.
Like a dead plot thread.
Hopefully I missed something.
Btw badass vid! Been a hardcore Gundam fan since wing and SEED is one of my favs! Keep up the good work
Thank you for this!!! Now do the athrun and cagalli novel haha! This was great content
Been planning to get to it - just haven't had the time. Soon though!
The way she tried to get Kira to love her.
Hearing this makes me look forward to rewatching the movie. Can't wait til it's out on dvd!
Bro did Heine dirty 🤣🕊
Sent that man to meet his maker
@@GundamHQ twice 🤣
Funny thing i just noticed the Faith members that died had their normal suit marking on the right side of the chest
Oh boy buckle up folks we got another Flay Allster on our hands 😒
We a need an anime of when shinn luna rey and the rest were still in the academy
Can you imagine what Agnes would have done to young Kira? XD
I love this movie, because I found that Athrun and Cagali seems to have a relationship again. Wohoooo
Shin - freedom killer
Agnes - boyfriends stealers
There’s no anime for the series right? Only manga? Anyways. Appreciate your work sir. Subscribed.
Oh my god. Shinn getting smacked by Athrun will never be not satisfying. XD
I appreciate the new perspective in the story and im not trying to undermine u or anything.. but erm...out of curiosity what is the source of this content that you have mentioned in this video?
I mention it at about the 15 second mark. 月光のワルキューレ / Moonlight Valkyrie, a short prequel book they gave out at theaters.
@@GundamHQ ahh icic. thank you.
@GundamHQ ya didnt mention tbe word "book" so I misunderstood and wishes to clarify. My apologies. I did not go to the early admission in my country so i was not given any of the items. I went to the theaters like any other movie.
Hmm how did I miss this in “GSD”? Still it’ll be a while before we see clips on Agnes.
You're right about that my man. A long, boring, dull, painfull while
😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
Wait, im confused.
What's this claim on all the forums I read about a stolen Strike Freedom? If any at all?
If someone doesn't mind explaining, i'd appreciate it.
I keep reading around that supposedly Foundation got their hands on the Strike Freedom and damaged it in some way?
In the movie, there is a throwaway scene (3 seconds max) of the Strike Freedom getting destroyed by one of the Black Knights mobile suits (I can't remember which). Also, Shura (Commander of the Black Knights) recognizes Agnes' name in the movie when they first meet.
It is explained in the side-novels that Agnes' boyfriend stole the original Strike Freedom and went ballistic, and the Black Knights (probably Shura) killed him for doing so.
I believe this is why we get a Strike Freedom Spec II, since the original Strike Freedom didn't get damaged, and why Shura recognizes Agnes since she pulled the strings in order to get her boyfriend to pilot the Strike Freedom.
@@calvinfermin6598 AHHH I see.
Okay, thank you so much for explaining!
Spoilers Immortal Justice and Rising Freedom are destroyed for Kira, Athrun and Shin to continue they need mobile suits Cagali and Athrun actually hidden the Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice and Destiny and had them put away and the original crew who worked on Strike Freedom and original Strike upgraded them (so technically they were stolen but also not stolen?)
Typo by @calvinfermin6598 it was Rising Freedom being destroyed not the Strike Freedom (Strike Freedom was simply retired for a new model) AFAIK Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice aren't nuclear like Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice
Wait! I just saw Freedom last night. Am I missing something ??? Who tf was Leonard Valway? Agnes didn’t have a bf in the movie and was trying to get with Kira.
Leonard isn't on screen much - they gloss over it. But if you remember there was a scene of one of Foundation members cutting down the Strike Freedom when we first meet them.
Leonard stole it and they put a stop to him, ultimately putting them in the good graces of Compass.
Bro Kira would whoop all your asses. Dude literally physically stronger then all normal humans.
Ehhhh 🙄
I wonder if lenard was the guy behind the freedom theft invident they talked about in the movie
Thanks, this was really interesting. Wish I saw this before seeing the movie. I wonder who the hell Leonard is and if he's responsible for stealing the Freedom that Cagalli mentioned in the movie.
Oh i didnt get that a freedom was stolen. When did she mention this?
Agnes has step low in the fire just as flay does when it really blows the wind off thru back using it on Kira because of they take kindness for granted when Lacus was the only girl that brings the sheer purity of kindness.
I'm glad that they entrusted Shinn the immortal justice Gundam rather than give it to Agnes
i'll find out in the april 5
Agnes and Leonard is the one behind the traitor. Because what I know is both got involved in a Freedom robbery case and they got a dark relationship with Foundation. And what I know is the foundation has a member of Kira's clone and for sure their goals is surpassing Natural and Coordinator and also following Destiny Plan. So that's why I hate this girl since the movie explained.
Spoilers
Didn't Agnes Giebenrath betray Compass in the movie Gundam Seed Freedom for the Kingdom of Foundation (I saw few leaks but not the details)? I know that Kira and Lacus do end up together this movie creating kinda a Hibiki royal family that rules over both Earth and Plants.
Ps. I still think that Flay Allster fans will say that she is the best girl in Gundam Seed franchise.
Yeah she was always meant to play the quess role (that was her name! The girl from CCA)
@@Matanumi is this another Gundam's tradition?
I like the idea of Hibiki royal family 🤩🤩🤩
So, Flay if she's a Coordinator but way more bitter and a mobile suit pilot? Reminds me of the original of Flay being the Rouge's pilot although for EA's propaganda purposes.
Tbh I don't think character writing is Gundam SEED's strongest department but kinda wish it was. This is just my opinion on the series btw and SEED is my first Gundam. It is seems that Gundam couldn't shake that one annoying female character off just like in most shonen anime media (I think Gundam covers both shonen and seinen but mecha seems to lean on shonen most of the time). It's as if as the writers deliberately does that, and the trope seems to trigger those who live in Atlantic Federation aka the West. I guess there's not enough Quesses to piss people off lol.
Well from a writing standpoint I'm pretty sure that is the goal for Agnes. She's a hate-able semi antagonist that we get to root for Shinn to overcome. She's definitely insufferable - but it directly contributes to Shinns character arc.
We waited 19 years for a Flay clone?
Great that we got a Flay sequel, definitely not the character who’s death I enjoyed more than any other in the franchise (yes, even more than Iok Kujan)
I'm just surprised they didn't give Agnes, the most volitile/unstable girl pilot in the movie a gigantic ass destroyer class mobile armor/gundam, like they did with quess or Stella.
Truely breaking new ground in the latest gundam movie!
I gotta say rey is really a good friend, best boi
Agnes is Flay 2.0 lol
MOVIE WAS AMAZING
slight spoiler Leonard was indeed erased from history he isn't in Freedom
I still haven't seen it but ---
From what I've heard he steals the Strike Freedom which is why its replaced early on? Something like that is apparently mentioned.
just watched it- slight spoilers but it's just speculation on my part
I think Leonard was either just a saboteur and spy for Foundation (and the info he got may have helped the Knights hack Kira's brain when he's in the Freedom Rising). OR he is Shura undercover because Shura also does a bit of spying/hacking/sabotage shit. Also Agnes seemed to *really* comfortably fall into Shura's arms immediately after she got rejected by Kira
Boy, you got a lot of storm coming.
I do or Shinn 💀
@@GundamHQShinn my favourite character out of all the Seed characters. do you hate him???
@@GundamHQShinn my favourite character out of all Seed characters. do you hate him
@-Yu_Tsugami No, of course not
wait, there's a new gundam seed?
I like the idea of Freedom/Kira as a villain. Too bad there's no way of writing a decent story around that isn't bullshit.
Can you explain what the seed destiny series reintroduced upgraded forms of some Og mobile suits from the universal century arc while not making an effort to make a brand new line of mobile suits? Besides the new gundams, it like they put new skins on old mobile suits. That being said, their new forms are way better than the original, more powerful and practical. Take the old and new gyan suit, the new very much better for actual combat, and the flair was rather practical, than grandstanding. The old one was like a puffy set of armor, how it bulges out at the wrist and ankles, and only have 2 weapons. The epyon gundam, that’s another story.
The potential for Agnes.....All wasted....Imagine had she had been a clone made from Flay.
Sorry, but she's not worth to cloned for.
to be honest, I have never watched Seed or Destiny before. When I saw Agnes in the movie, I know that I will love this character.
Damn i thought shinn is a also a gifted coordinator didnt know he also struggles
The only Agnes can be trusted in Cosmic era is Agnes Brahe the brother of Setona Winters
Could that be FLAY ULSTER?!
She's basically the Regina George of Gundam
Wait is the prequel from the movie?
No, its a separate release. But they were mainly distributed as bonuses for the movie.
Before watching SEED FREEDOM, I thought she was a Quess which doesnt contribute anything to story
After watching SEED Freedom, honestly Agnes actually written better than Quess, she was really a lost cause.
But as a character she serves her purpose making Lunamaria said she really loves Shinn
At least to us, the fan for 20 years. That is really a big win.
Agnes word to Luna "I'm not like you, that settles with someone without trying... I will find good man" (not word by word but similar to that)
and "That monkey? You seriously love that monkey boy?!"
Is the voice of question why Luna ended up with Shinn from story point of view
It's cringy but we like it lol
That is when Gundam became drama; not missing it at all
It's always has been since 79
Politics has always drama.
@@gerogyzurkov2259The whole Zeon conflict in the original 0083 was basically politics for half of the show... And yet the story was fine. I think depends from the writers, not from the topic
So was Shin just bad at the school part because his piloting skills we seen from Destiny are pretty good
Shin has always suffered from a lack of focus on what matters most. All of his trauma leaves him very raw to his natural faults. It is why Athurn was never quite able to connect to Shin because Athurn was always a lot better at dealing with his own emotions, but Athurn always suffered because he was always indecisive outside of combat. So, Shin saw Athurn as someone to look up to but not someone who he could trust or guide him which Shin really needed given how lost he was.
I despised Shin throughout the entire series so slapping him with the category of living family x0 made me chuckle quite a bit😂
Agnes needs to Yip Yip
New Flay Allster
wait is this the movie thats coming out?
Its a prequel TO the movie that's coming out/already out depending on where you live. So watching this is good preparation
Take it as a grain of salt if you want a catch up probably watch a quick summary of Season 1 and 2, Agnes is so minor in the movie it isn't really worth mentioning
Wait what? I missed something new on seed destiny?
Seed Freedom is a sequel movie to destiny - and this is a short prequel
Too bad Agnes was not thought of as a clone of Flay. That would have helped a lot.
No. They are not very much alike. Flay was lost and trapt. Agnes IS a soilder
Flay literally truly loves Kira, not just taking advantage
Are the eclispe characters in the movie
Nope
thats 2 Lacus lookalikes
At about 3:40
>Shinn was the lowest of the low.
Honestly? That tracks even as of the latter half of Destiny. The man legit required so many Silhouette Packs just to really get ONE hit in on the Freedom. And that was with Kira trying NOT to kill the man. Team Creuset from SEED - yes even Nicol - had better performance vs Kira than that.
And once he was in the Destiny, he only held his own thanks to either being alongside Rey to cover him, numerical superiority, or the fact that Kira and Athrun STILL didn't want to kill him. He legit jobbed EVEN HARDER effectively. Oh sure he improved but let's be honest, nobody really gave their all versus him and once they did he went down faster than Nicol.
You make some good points but he definitely was able to accomplish a lot too, Heavens Base etc.
But I will say it always irritated me how everyone praised him for sinking all those Orb boats. Literally sitting ducks how did the Minerva not just kill all of them or even Luna
@@GundamHQ Lunamaria missing a ship I remember is a scene I looked SO hard for that's reached meme status, but couldn't find (admittably I couldn't stomach the last 2-3 episodes of Destiny and stopped).
Like, these idiots are Red Suits, which are supposed to be elites. How the hell did they get ANYWHERE in Zaft with these skills?
Also as a counterpoint about Shinn's successes: Shinn's more like 0079 Amuro before he got gud, but with his Newtype Hax and packing effectively a (Moon Gundam) Modified Rick Dijeh in the middle of Zeta (in terms of most suit specs). He's packing a suit SEVERELY outperforming the competition he accomplished against, with his Newtype abilities making up for his absolutely horrendous skills. If he couldn't accomplish anything with that I'd be shocked.
Did... did Shinn even get a named major character kill now that I think about it in the entirety of Destiny? Excluding his Pity Victory over Kira.
Edit: I will admit I am harsh on Shinn. But trust me, I am constantly pointing out Kira probably should be MORE dead by this point considering he has legitimate plot armor saving him from death outright thrice, and that most of his successes post-Strike Gundam are due to mystical hyper-ZERO System Aimbot bullshit his Gundams have that makes the literal time-traveling Newtype abilities of UC look like childsplay.
I just don't like how Fukuda wrote SEED and it feels like the man has no sense on how to write Real Robots.
Shin was ngl chill before destiny
Tbh, wish he was that more than half of the time in Destiny.
wait there is another gundam seed out?
I believe it's mostly ended its theater run so you can expect it on streaming in the near future
Rey as a character deserved way better than he got in the last 30% of GSD.
Ill be honest. I am not a SEED fan but this movie looks very very good. I'll be checking out the movie with enthusiasm.
The first seed was excellent.
and this movie shows who shin really is- a goofy. And sometimes braindead but loveable and loyal young brother
@@Matanumi I like him more as a character now and actually like how he changed from destiny to freedom - destiny and I actually have more of a like for destiny season now that I have seen Freedom
That’s it. I’m getting Hilda’s Gyan Strom and not Agnes’…
Girl really "love" many things 😂
I could tell you about Lenard what he does and if to trust Agnes but then its spoiler territory and you have to disappear.
I’ll take the spoilers
Man, it really is all surface leve.
For me, "Housenka" is much powerful pilot than "Moonlight Valkyrie".
what does that mean
@@tomblack2890 Shiho, who earned the title of "Housenka" before Agnes became a pilot
Well shiho has first war experience.... something all these young pliots don't have (although shiho is young)
Shiho only survived G.SEED because Nami Tamaki refused to voice her during the Animes original run, because she fears that she'll get the Miguel Treatment
@@Diceboxxthat was only a massive rumor-shiho was always an MSV character whereas Miguel and Heanie STARTED as anime show characters
she remind me about frey
Sonic Unleashed Werehog Hub music 🥰
Glad to see a man of culture
Agnes : your boyfriend? more like my boyfriend. 🤣🤣🤣
There is all was a love triangle in gundam seed
when can we actually watch the movie
It's coming out in Australia soon idk where you live
It'll probably go on Netflix like Hathaway
Its gonna depened on where you are - but I know this month seems to be the go to for at least a few showings. If you're in the US you're probably in the worst spot with only two showings in NY and LA at the end of the month. Nothing else announced so far
@@GundamHQ but 50$ for a premier ticket
Yeah - plus however much for a flight.. I'll have to pass unfortunately @@leo11lim
Oh yeah, i've just come to know about this new movie. Half of them are characters i hated 20y ago - how nice of them to make another movie about an old timeline.