The Dark Truth About Floyd And Debra's Relationship And Who Is Bob Explained No Clickbait-GTA 5 Lore
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2022
- My lore video explaining what dark truth about Floyd And Debra's relationship. Alot of bad things go on behind the scenes that many people do not realize when it comes to this couple. I also explain what I believe happened to them after the infamous cutscene.
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no prob pro, I'm just glad it's finally here!
No problem Pro, Keep up the good work :)
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@@sprunkadct can I have a bottle of sprunk soda
I feel so bad for Floyd and Debra is a crazy psychopath
I think Trevor was completely zoned in on Debra, filled with rage, when he said "you people are not very fucking nice " so I think when he said "you people" he was referring to people like Debra, Los Santos type people
Yea because Trevor was also was starring her down
Aka everyone from LA
@user-he2hm4qf9c yeah I don't think Trevor even noticed I think he was staring Debra down
@@The_House_Always_Wins you mean CA.
@@yougotmadthatswhyyoureplie9490 both
i think the reason floyd is one of the only people trevor sympathizes with is because debra reminds him of how his mother treated him as a kid, this whole situation is a lot more sad when you dive deeper into it
Ikr he wants floyd to be more of a man n see through her BS cuz that's all shes enforcing on him anyway, I think trevor did care for him he wanted him to get in touch with reality n know what's rlly going on like y is she using him or why is she always having a temper, if trevor wasnt there who knows wut couldve happened floyd couldve ended up with even more scratches like how merryweather bruised him up in that cutscene so he was tooken advantage of by many ppl, trevor was right when he called them slave drivers since they are he was definitely wasting his time being around them, trevor was definitely tryna save him from getting himself into a deeper darker side of the relationship
What was wrong with Debra? She was justifiably mad a stranger wouldn’t leave her home.
@@mr.ice_cold Lol what BS? It’s her home not his. 🤣🤣🤣 He could have left when he wanted.
@@em.415 but she’s obsessive and controlling. Also treats the dude like a dog. Imagine if it was the other way around you would be crying wolf lmao
@@DrunkenSocrates what did she do to floyd?i played it when i was a kid and didnt care abt the plot xd
I love how as soon as Trevor hears the name Bob, he’s like “whoa, who’s Bob.” He’s concerned for Floyd right there. That shows he hates disloyal people
Plus his like sad pitiful face he made when she called Floyd crap
Of course he hates disloyalty. That's why I love him.
I watched your weapon locations on gta iii and Vice city a few years ago
Trevor hates people taking advantage of other people. Like Debra is doing with Floyd. And that Micheal did with him.
He may be crazy but he has SOME morals
Chances are Trevor didn't actually stab Debra. The neighbor heard strange sounds, this could mean he brutally rearranged her facial structure and tossed her around the kitchen. Stabbing is too easy a finisher for Trevor. He basically returned the pain she caused Floyd in physical form. The probable reason why this scene isn't shown, is because Debra's face is probably beyond recognition. That blood could only be caused by assault & battery. That's my take
So Trevor played Debra like a basketball?
@@doctorscarf8958 exactly
@@doctorscarf8958 Ballers 🥶
He basically went Brad Pitt on her in once upon a time in Hollywood
How?
I think when Trevor says "Yes!" After Deb says Crap, he wasn't just excited to get her angry, he was excited she broke out of her fake shell and responded like a human. Same with the other times, he thinks everyone there is a fake plastic person with practiced personalities, so when they show a genuine human reaction, he revels in it.
It's his twisted way of trying to help them act like actual people.
But then he found out for certain Deb was cheating on Floyd, and that moment of elation turned to anger.
I believe that mainly because a normal person doesn't consider "crap" as a swear word.
Trevor here remimds me myself and my friend. We hate fake people.
As the CZcamsr says Trevor is against betrayal and she betrayed and hurt this man deeply so when she pulled out the gun and aimed it both of them I think he got upset and then so on
And we all know Trevor likes loyalty and she ousted herself as disloyal and he very much disliked that.
@@icywinx861 shut up, edgelord
I found it funny how Trevor was making infidelity jokes, then was legitimately shocked when he was proven somewhat right.
He never was proven right. Knowing a man is hardly evidence of adultery unless you live in the Middle East.
In Debra's case, she was innocent until proven guilty.
@@kobejanvicente1686 yup never judge a book until u get to see their true side, she's definitely psychopathic, I bet by trevor hearing about this S* debras enforcing on floyd he was pissed off, trevor saw n knew he was very vulnerable for her, knew he didnt have the bawls to rlly say no when he shouldve n broke up with em, she thinks things shes the one or that the world revolves around her I rarely see any photos of floyd so she just overshadows him and everything about her just to keep him off the side she doesnt care about him she only cares about what she represents and she abusing him to get enjoyment out of it i can see she has no control over herself.
It's normal to make those jokes, doesn't necessarily mean the person making them thinks they are right.
Clever , to be or not to be , Regarles There is a diference Who we are , and Who We think We are, Morality serve his purpose to hide our own short coming , Open that door and you will find Anger , Resentment and Self hating...lol
I've always felt bad for floyd, he deserves better people and help :( poor guy
Even wade never liked Debra, he maybe the simple minded man but at least he is good hearted and he cares about Floyd.
i wish trevor spared floyd
@@VANTARTSspared how ? Debra killed him not trevor
deserved*
Even if Trevor made jokes on Floid's unhappy live i saw that Trevor wanted to help him.
29:26 i might be projecting a little but I think the reason Trevor likes when people react to him is because he has a history of being neglected and abused by his mom. And when you are being neglected you will do ANYTHING to get any type of reaction, you just want confirmation that you are a real person and that you exist.
Holy fuck I didn’t think I’d have a psychological break thru while reading comments
ooh thats a valid theory
I can vouch for this from experience
@@MortisBringerOfAssyou good?
It's a sad reality when you know there are plenty of people like Debra in real life. People you might not even expect.
my dad is like debra...a narc
One of my ex girlfriend are like her
I have a girlfriend like Debra, her name is grace
@@vincentmorgan900 are you happy with her
@@naskinggtony8078 no, I’m not but she put this one line in my head constantly telling me that I’m lucky she took me when no one else would or ever will
I like how Debra is like that type of person that thinks crap is a swear word but also casually has a gun in the kitchen drawer
Hypocrisy is common in narcissists.
dont most people in america own guns for safety reasons?
@@bratzillla many, yes. Most? No
@@bratzillla Yeah, but it's typically stored in the bedroom and locked in a box or safe incase of suicidal reasons and to keep it out of child hands. It's not usually kept in a kitchen droor and unlocked where anyone can get it.
*Drawer
4th Theory: So here's what really happened. Debra realizes that even though she had a gun, they can't kill them. So Floyd got his knife and opened a jar of Strawberry Jam. They had a sandwich party thing idk then the jam went over Trevor's clothes. So Trevor got mad and killed them, the end.
that escalated quickly
That seems like the most plausible theory out of the entire comment section. Since Trevor can snap that easy without too much provocation.
No, it was clearly syrup.
you have no dislikes, that must be the truth
real
46:45 Notice how there is a kitchen knife set near Debra. Trevor could've used one to kill her, he didn't need to use Floyd's knife.
I find it funny seeing how Trevor seems genuinely shocked when Debrah mentions Bob. His demeanor totally changes from whacky to serious.
That's something I always like about Trevor, yeah the dude is a mad man at times but he can become a genuinely funny and deeply serious guy at times depending on the situation. He isn't one dimensional at all and having that way of his character trade is really nice, not to mention Steven ogg really fits the character for the voice
He is vengeful to those who betray his "friends". Trevor has a soft spot for people manipulating each other in a relationship, both men and women. plus Floyd is his cousin.
@@justinwaters8679 He's not Trevor's cousin
@@KDill29 "Cousin" in the sense of someone who he has known for life.
Trevor may be a psycho but he’s a psycho with Morals. He is full of trust and bonds. And when he bonds with someone he can’t bring himself to hurt them too much, like with Micheal, despite being utterly pissed at him he had multiple chances to kill him but kept him alive instead and got pissed when Franklin said he was gonna kill Micheal. Trevor doesn’t want to hurt his friends (too much, he does punch wade a couple times) and while he does kill random people and bikers he can’t bring himself to kill his friends/family.
To be fair, you can see some regret mixed in with Trevor's anger when he leaves the apartment. That breath he took to calm himself down before going down the stairs, you can see it in his face. Like he wanted Floyd to live, but it didn't happen. Could be why he really killed Debra. It's just my theory though.
I agree with you, and also, note that this is also my theory, one reason why Trevor kind of liked Floyd and wanted to build his confidence up and advised is, is because he saw himself in Floyd. obviously, we barely know any relationships Trevor had had, but his mother wasn't the Mother of the Year to him, if I recall correctly.
Also, the blood could also be Floyd's, but does not mean he killed him but ran to his body and picked him up to see if he's alive or be there before Floyd's succumbed to his wounds, that's also one reason for the blood
He has empathy which I do too for floyd, if I was in that position I would be pretty pissed too, Ik wut a abusive relationship can get to especially in school where their always harassing u to make fun out of u so they can put u down, u gotta know the game with girls its either you abide by them or shes gonna try to punish u for being vulnerable if u let them or not simping off her own benefit I would just leave her ass she obvious has no love her anything else but her image, Floyd's a big yesman he gotta stop being her B* n kick her out
@@mr.ice_cold was it not her apartment? 🤔
I think Debra killed Floyd and then T killed Debra the blood is hers and some of Floyd's because he held Floyd as he died, he is sad Floyd died.
My version of events:
Debra grabs gun and shoots Floyd. She immediately panics as she realizes what she’s done. Trevor runs over to Floyd to make sure he’s okay kind of holding him. (hence all the blood on his clothing) Debra then tries to tell Trevor how she didn’t mean to but trevor just straight kills her. I think Trevor liked Floyd so I’m sure he would have that kind of reaction
Nah. the blood on his clothing is consistent with blunt or sharp force trauma. If there were any sort of interactive spatter, we'd see it. Things like handprints, or smear marks. If it were blood sustained from interacting with a dead or dying person, we'd see it on the clothes. Since its all directional splatter, that implies it couldn't have happened.
I think that Debra made the first move, trying to shoot Trevor but accidentally hits Floyd, Trevor doesn’t realize Floyd is hit because he wants to deescalate the situation (killing Debra), after he’s done he sees Floyd is shot and tries to stop the blood but it’s too late. I could also see it happening that Trevor sees Floyd’s shot and then attacks Debra after
@@bunbuns08 Trevor couldn't have interacted with a dead or dying Floyd, as all the blood on Trevor is purely directional splatter, and not interaction stains. Even if Floyd was supposedly on the floor, we'd see a much stronger concentration of blood on his hands that would be consistent with soaking. That's not the case.
@@ardynamberglow3124Why would Trevor go the extra mile for Floyd? Please reply, buddy!
@@TheFunnyDictator The stains on Trevor imply directional blood splatter, not interaction. Interaction stains would be handprints, smears, defensive wounds, etc. We don't see this on Trevor.
directional splatter is from injuries, or cast off respectively based on the weapon used. Since most of it seems to be about medium velocity splatter, we can imply Trevor was using some sort of weapon to attack Debra/Floyd Respectively.
Regardless of what time Floyd died during the crime, There was no way Trevor would have stopped to inspect the corpse of Floyd. If he did, we'd see a more concentration of of blood on Trevor's clothes, specifically his hands, arms, or shirt.
In short, he wouldn't. If he did, we'd see it. While he may have been partial to the violence, he didn't interact with a dead or dying corpse.
We:sees debra for 1 minute
The Professional:* *explains debras personality* *
That's why he's a professional
There’s a 4th scenario. Debra shot Floyd, he wasn’t killed straight away and he lunged at Debra and stabbed her multiple times, he then dies by the gun shot wound. But before he dies Trevor tries to help keep Floyd alive, hence why he’s covered in blood. Floyd ends up dying and Trevor leaves.
Excellent work though Pro, keep it up.
I don’t think Trevor would be very concerned about the well being of someone he rapes.
That would also explain why he looked panicked and exhausted, that's always been one of the scenarios that I thought happened. Either scenario 1, 3, or 4
yeah thats a really good theory, would explain how trevor is so upset
You could also through In that Floyd seceded in killing Debra and turned on Trevor thus forcing Trevor to use the knife on him
Wasn't it confirmed that Debra killed floyd Trevor kill Debra
The way Trevor walks out the door almost seems like some form of regret.. like maybe he had tried to spare Floyd but had to kill him or maybe Debra killed him and he couldn't be saved.
I believe it's the latter
Floyd’s family
He wouldn’t kill him like that
He was Trevor's family. There is no way Trevor would kill Floyd. It was probabky the Latter, he tried to save Floyd because he got shot by Debra and then Trevor killed Debra hence the Loud noises heard by the neighbors
@@maccer8330 yeah, maybe Floyd lost blood faster than Trevor could stop it, and then killed Debra because she wasn't even sorry. Hence all the blood and why Trevor was sad about it.
@@maccer8330 na... trevor wouldn't try to save someone like floyd especially when he constantly r3pes him...
but anyways i still believe that possibly trevor wouldve killed floyd since hes not going to change his ways and trevor doesn't always hold his ties to being friends forever... trevor said that he was going to kill brad anyway as he never liked him but there was still some form of bond with how trevor spoke of him when robbing with brad and michael
One thing I love about Trevor is that wherever he’s incredibly flawed at, he makes up for in other areas. He sucks at writing, but is excellent at math. He is a completely insane drug addict, but he knows how to read people and situations in spite of his lack of emotional maturity. In spite of Trevor’s demented reputation, he still has principles and honors them. He never wrongs anyone he is loyal to, and he puts his antics aside to pursue common goals with his friends.
He doesn't suck at writing. He CHOOSES to write that way. There are perfectly written texts by him.
trevor is a smart dude he was an airforce pilot before he was grounded due to his psych evaluations.
@@jokimshuqliqlqiw34-ro9uy serious question, does airfoce piloting require a smart person?
Terrible driving stat, really good flying stat
@@thephoenix4093the air force requires the highest ASVAB scores. They want the smartest people they can get to fly their planes.
i love how trevor’s mood changes as soon as debra calls floyd crap
also the “who’s bob”
He’s like, “this is what you have to put up with?”
Finally some NON CLICKBAIT Info on what really happened between these two
I agree atleast its finally a realistic explanation
I really felt bad for Floyd, he didnt deserve any of the shit he got ✊😔
same 😔😔😔
He didn't have Witness Protection
@@sprunkadct WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT?
he didn't he was abused by that karen
@@ajax3748 lmao darkviperau
You make some good points about how Trevor views Floyd. After the fight, he looks tired and pained, but it's the first time we see Trevor emotional like this, until he finds Brad's corpse. Honestly, this whole scene is pretty reflective of the betrayal in North Yankton. Maybe this event with Debra betraying Floyd is what lead him to seriously question everything that happened there, especially if Debra shot Floyd.
I think the "weird noises" from the appartment might be because Debra's lungs and neck got injured from the stabbing, resulting in her not being able to properly scream.
I was thinking the same thing
well that's a haunting thought
*Whats creepy about it is that Bob taught Debra how to use a gun but it was Already stashed in the house which would mean that Bob gave that gun to her a long time ago and taught her how to use it long time ago....and Floyd might had know who Bob is but couldn't put his finger on it...and the reason why they weren't on the news and Trevor didn't get caught was because Bob probably covered it up with his money and power so his image won't be stained...*
So those mfs wanted to kill floyd? Bastardsss
Bruhhhhhh wait what that’s insane 👀🤣😂
Bro what 😂
Bob should be a Gta VI antagonist.
@@mrconroy4672 imagine having an antagonist named "Bob"
"Trevor Likes Making People Have Outbursts." He says "YES!" because when they clash, finally the truth (elephant in the room) between their relationship is revealed. Trevor may be crazy, but he sure is authentic. Like an animal, his loyalty and devotion and what disgusts him and pleases him are akin with nature.
Thats why hes my favorite gtav char
Authenticity does not mean you are any good.
@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 I never said he was good lol
@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 Lies certainly don't make someone good either.
@@HansBelphegorSame. I am kinda like him.
What I think happened is that Debra shot Floyd and then was surprised at herself for going through with it. Debra and Trevor both look on as Floyd dies in seconds. Trevor becomes enraged and bum rushes Debra, slamming and bashing her against the window, stunning and disarming her. With her on the ground, he turns around and grabs the knife and finishes off Debra, continuously stabbing her long after she's dead, only stopping after he becomes tired.
I could see Floyd stabbing first then gunshot then Deb shocked gets her head bashed into the window and other things from Trevor after she kills Floyd
It looks like Debra shot Floyd until he died, then Trevor took cover in a pillar near the kitchen while Debra continued to shoot trevor, then when Debra had to reload his gun, Trevor took the knife that was previously in Floyd's hand and stabbed it into Debra's body many times.
or maybe trevor didn’t take cover maybe debra kill floyd and then Trevor quickly approached Debra and killed her
28:30 I think it actually makes sense if you consider that Trevor sees a little bit of Floyd in himself, he just grew through similar struggles by steamrolling through them instead of letting others take the initiative. It's actually kind of deep. Trevor's into older women because of the messed up dynamic with his mom making him want validation from an older female figure more than anything. So when someone who's like a sweeter version of his mom shows up, it's like heavenly... Like that feeling when you thought you knew love until you find someone who raises the bar on what love can be. This also sums up why Trevor was kind of jealous of Franklin earlier in the story, seeing Michael as a mentor somewhat filling the role of a father figure to an adult.
I think Floyd actually did talk to Trevor about details regarding Debra. I don't think that was posturing, we just didn't get to see it. People become sociopaths as a complex defense mechanism. That's the major difference between Floyd and Trevor, if it had to be narrowed down. Trevor being emotionally repressed is what creates outbursts, which includes "marry?" not just "attack." Floyd doesn't face the ugly so he never grew a backbone. T faced too much ugly and has too much backbone, whereas the lack of emotional nuance makes him ultimately a slave to his impulses, which is a pretty fascinating catch-22 regarding free will and determinism.
I didn't mean to get philosophical here, sorry, yo. lol
I did mean to get psychological, though.
Smartest comment here
I feel bad to them a lot.
Yeah but that stupid shit he said about “most people are peaceful” makes no sense everyone is peaceful until they’re provoked
This game has crazy attention to the lore stuff. Crazy how two characters that show up in like 4 or 5 cutscenes have an hour worth of lore to be explained
If only Rockstar actually confirmed stuff like this. This is mostly speculation based on logic and personally I believe most of this is true.
It's TRUE tho man when a person who pushes it to the limit like debra enforces things on a innocent man like floyd it rlly makes u wonder does she rlly love him or is her image all she rlly cares about, debra surely wanted to see how he would react too being this aggressive in this cutscene when he picked up the knife I think that surely showed he had enough of her BS he finally saw her manipulating n he couldve also broke outta that state of staying soft. Floyd knew he was being manipulated he was just waiting on hoe things would turn out n he waited almost too late if trevor wasnt there tho things couldve probably been worse but if floyd killed debra himself he would regret it but he would figure out it's the right decision later on and finally understand why he was being used
@ling ling zhang omg thank you, so true, all the time i was thinking this dude needs editor , why is it 50 min video and repeating same points few times :D
GTA SA, IV, and V have the most amount of Lore to them, it’s when they actually started to make proper good stories
@ling ling zhang true. Usually love his lore videos but this one could've been 30 mins.
I doubt Trevor would be behind Floyd's death considering Trevor knew there was something off with him, and was stunned when his suspicions on Debra using Floyd were confirmed.
Definitely, trevor doesnt like to be manipulated or manipulate anyone, he definitely doesnt wanna also see ppl manipulated n atleast he was open to wut was happening in their relationship already cuz it certainly wasnt a good sign she probably was having an affair
I thought I was the only one who thought there was a lore behind them but yeah Trevor through out this Floyd part of gta actually is doing a very diffrent style then with wade or with Ron. Trevor style of manipulation with Ron and wade is more of dictator but then with Floyd it was more of a mixture of that and a standard manipulation.
Michael's facade is sane but he hide who he really is and Trevor is insane but he dosen't hide who he really is by having a nice and friendly persona
@@flamingeel3196 Michael’s a psychopath and Trevor is a Sociopath.
@@mr.ice_cold but doesn’t he manipulate wade by making him think his friends left when in reality he killed them
Another big mystery in hang 10 is how Trevor takes over the strip club. He just rolls up, puts Leon in the fridge, and he's the new boss. His rule is never questioned by anyone. Franklin knew Leon, Lamar did too, the girls probably all know him, the regulars probably knew him too. You could argue that Franklin and Lamar might have an idea of what happened and didn't say anything, but I'm surprised about how calm the employees are around Trevor
I just think no one says anything because he's crazy.
Probably Leon was that one crappy boss any job has. No wonder the girls and bouncers working at the club didn’t seem to care about Leon’s disappearance and Trevor’s presence lol
Another detail about the mission where Floyd and Debra die. Once you start the mission after Trevor leaves the apartment Mr. Raspberry Jam; Floyd's teddy bear is permanently mounted to Trevor's truck.
I always think Rockstar placing Hang Ten before Bury the Hatchet is a brilliant decision as the emotional trauma he went through in this mission gives Trevor a perfect emotional motive in the next two missions, which speeds the game up towards its final missions without players feeling forced.
One of Trevor's serious personal trauma is his mother left him. That is why he is always looking for a sense of family in life. He ended up with Michael and his band. I think one of the reasons he enjoys his life of crime is how he is able to form something like a family around himself. Then Michael not only left him but also took away the other member of the "family" - Brad.
After that, Dave was sending him emails as the other member he lost that day and that drove he to move to LS and connect with the local underworld. He wants to do a jailbreak with his connections as he knows it is possible. After he sees Michael alive and raiding the IAA in daylight with him, he knows he can have the "family" back as he can do the jailbreak if Michael is in. That is why he planned the Merryweather Heist and involved Michael because it would break Michael's deal with Dave, making him fall into his old life again. Unfortunately, the heist didn't go through as Lester forced Trevor to return the loot after they took it. Then Trevor was trapped in Michael's situation and had to do many things he does not like. His patience is wearing thinner and thinner with the plot moves forward.
At the point of this mission, Trevor just saw Michael is no longer who he was as he is so eager to make up with Mexicans with the loot of the heist and had to let go of Patricia Madrazo. He also had to put his life for the corrupt government element he hate so much again (Monkey Business).
He is very pissed because of all three things said above and he wants to be healed. That is why he came to Floyd's house. He doubts Michael and Lester will be his "family" again and wants to make a new connection to heal himself. He has then been greeted by the situation that Floyd saying he is not his FAMILY out loud. He is shocked by this rejection. But since he knows Floyd is a pushover, he went inside Floyd's house so he can make a play to change his mind. He first insulted Debra because he knows Floyd's attitude problem is related to her. His goal is clearly to prove to Debra he is the dominant figure among the trio so he can force both of them to recognize him as a member of the family and maybe have a life of crime with him. He is so happy when Debra lost her cool and grows desperate because he assumes Debra will be conquered by his abuse quickly and fall under his control like Floyd.
Then Debra revealed she is cheating and abandoned Floyd in front of Trevor, who just had to abandon his lover (so Michael could be a family man again, which is the opposite of what Trevor wants). Trevor finds out Floyd is abandoning him because of a woman who abandoned him long ago. Trevor wants to take advantage of the situation because getting kicked out together is another way to make Floyd realize him as a family again. Unfortunately, the situation was all messed up. Debra stood up to him and Floyd with a gun while Floyd tried to defend himself from BOTH of them. I guess the fact that even knowing Debra is cheating, Floyd is still seeing Trevor as a threat rather than a shoulder to cry on totally ruined Trevor's mood.
No matter what happened next, the end of the line is that he ruined the life of two lawful citizens because his desire for having a "family" is not met by them. It is wise Rockstar just cut to black because saw how Trevor got the blood all over him (in the best case, he killed Debra in the first strike and brutalized her body; in the worse case, he brutalized Debra while she was breathing and finished her as mercy killing or she died of blood lost) will totally ruin people's empathy for Trevor.
Anyway, this mission is a perfect emotional setup for Bury the Hatchet. Trevor has been abandoned once more by people he sees as a family at the time, he wants to be a member of a family so much, and he has no one close after that. He so wants Michael to go back to his old way because that would make him a member of the “family” again. He muscled Lester and Michael into Surveying the Score. The situation went as expected. The Big One they are about to pull will certainly move Michael out of Dave's protection. Trevor thinks he can convince Michael to do the jailbreak to get Brad out. Then he can have a family. Then three of them and Lester, with no other choices as they pissed off the fed once again, will live and die in a life of crime. With this happy thought, he went into Michael's house to talk about Brad with him.
And .... Bury the Hatchet happened.
*For those who read this wall of text to the end:
Thank you! I am so sorry to post this, but I just can not help myself after seeing the video. I love GTA 5 and its story. This video just makes me want to say this about it. It took me hours to type it on my phone and use my computer to give it a better format and correct the grammar and wording errors since English is not my first language.
It is very rude of me to not thank Mr.Professional here for make the video. I am sincerely sorry for that and hope he does not mind.
@@sli7435 He won't mind. You did great. Thanks for your analysis. I love these kinds of comments.
This is good man, I did have a few problems with the story of GTA 5 and me seeing this helps me see GTA 5's single player story even better with little and big details like that
very well said:)
Very great explanation, I think he rlly had the option to leave her it was just something holding him back
I think Trevor's "Yes" to Michael's angry reaction was not because Trevor liked seeing him angry, I think it's because he saw the retired Michael being replaced with old times Michael in that moment.
Yes! Thats exactly it lol
Yes, you definitely played the game and watched this video 👌
Trevor is just being Trevor like usually
Exactly
@@PickleMfnRick you're not clever
Notice how Trevor was genuinely angry when saying “who’s Bob?” , I do think he killed only Debra out of anger for Floyd, since deep down, he liked him.
I pray for the sanity and wellbeing of those who have a Debra in their lives
After watching this video, this is my opinion. Floyd starts moving towards Debra, holding a knife in his hand. I do not believe he charged at her, he was talking and moving slowly but in a threatning way towards her. She is afraid of disorder, of not having control over things or people or her surroundings. She sees Floyd out of line for the first time, and that to her feels very threatening, perhaps even more threatning than Trevor, especially since she knows how bad she was towards him all this time. She is freaked out and shoots him accidentally, out of fear. She is in shock because she now realizes what she had done, and she remains frozen for a few seconds. Trevor seizes the moment, grabs the knife and proceeds to stab Debra multiple times. He does so in a manner so gruesome and violent because he is extremely enraged by her whole personality and what she represents. She manipulated and used Floyd, treated him like trash, kept him in line and afraid, while betraying him constantly, and evenutally, when he got a bit out of line, she killed him. This is the reason why he kills her in such a horrible way. I feel that at that moment, in Trevor's mind, she is the epitome of the culture that he despises, and constantly makes fun of (including when he enters their condo), she is a symbol of the absolute evil of this fake culture of these fake disgusting people ("You people are not very effing nice!"). This is why the murder is so violent, because in killing her, he is killing, symbolically, the whole culture and the whole system she represents.
I agree with this because as explained in the video, Debra basically treats Floyd like a doormat & the first time he stands up for himself it shocked her as she’s grown accustomed to being to Floyd being a simp for her.
Add to that the weight of the reality setting in after she lets the "Bob was right" line slip. In that moment she realised how both Floyd and Trevor were hyper aware of her infidelity and that might have added an extra layer of anxiety
what about the gunshots on the windows tho?
Yh so far I gotta say this is the best most realistic explanation
All I have to say is that Trevor did it in a fitting way
The 3rd theory could be the most accurate. Debra kills Floyd, Trevor got angry and snaps, she tries to shot/kill Trevor as well and runs out of bullets, Trevor grabs and smashes Debra's head into the window twice and kills her. Not accurate to the amount of blood but that's my take on it.
Smashed her head into the windows twice, then took Floyd’s knife and stabbed her repeatedly most likely.
to add to your theory I believe Trevor hopped the counter and grabbed a kitchen knife to finish her after bashing her head on the window which explains the blood on clothing. If you rewatch when Debra goes for the gun, Trevor is watching her from the opening of the kitchen counter where there are multiple knives, he goes into rage then makes a straight line to her. Many people think he used Floyd’s knife but that would give her time to unfreeze and shoot Trevor. Going over the counter is the fastest way to get to her, with weapons available, and catch her off guard
And he low key prolly slammed her head against them windows on some Peter Griffin “you see that fire extinguisher there” type of ish
I think that the gun probably jammed when she tried to shoot Trevor
Kind of felt bad for Floyd. He had a “girlfriend” that probably just used him to watch over her condo while she lived her life and hooked up with higher ups. And then Trevor comes in and while Trevor does try to help Floyd in his own twisted way, he just traumatizes him and makes him even more insecure. I feel like if Floyd lived, Trevor would’ve had him taken care of by letting him stay at his strip club or work for him in his business. I feel like Floyd would’ve been a good “hang out” character. He probably would’ve fully opened up to Trevor about why he’s so miserable and Trevor in his beautifully charismatic caring way would’ve helped him grow some balls. Also I can’t believe I watched the entire thing. A video about a fictional so called couple.
I feel sorry for every men like Floyd. They deserve better.
@@Carissa-KsiezniczkaCalixu Nah, they're slimy. They deserve every woman similar to Debra that they get. Having a backbone is a good thing.
Floyd actually stands up to Debra in the end so Trevor actually helped Floyd in a way to realize he was being used.
I always thought that window stains are actually a head smash against it.
Like, it has blood splattered in a round pattern, window broken but not shattered.
That way you explain the lack of hand wounds on trevor (not actually stabbed Debborah a lot) but smashed her against the walls and window.
Also explain the noises neighbor heard
it has bullet holes 😂
@@COG4L It des not, it was actually explained in the video, and the window doesnt have a single exit bullet hole in it, it is cracked and has 1 hole but is not the same as a bullet hole just a hole at it, which is more consistent with a smash or a small object going through it but not t high velocity, also why would debra shoot backwards? is stablished trevor never had the gun, anf floyd had the knife, it doesnt make sense
@@EstebanBrenesV it had bullet holes.
@@COG4L no
When Trevor says "You people aren't very nice", notice his orentation in the room and where he is staring. He is deadlocked on Debra completely ignoring Floyd, which makes me believe Trevor didn't kill him.
Its also possible Floyd himself after seeing that Trevor wasn't focused on him at all decided in the moment to attack Debra instead. Especially when you consider everything that was revealed shortly before the fight.
It's "YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT F***ING NICE!"
@@johnaustin209 its "you people are not very ****ing nice"
"YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT VERY FUCKING NICE"
Floyd also says "Fuck Bob" and not "Fuck Trevor" or something. This implies to me that he is releasing his blocked up anger on Debra, her co-workers and her cheating.
I think that seeing Floyd attacking Debra would surprise Trevor.
Notice how when he said you people are not very nice, he only looks at Debra. So he isn't referring to both Debra and Floyd, he is referring to the type of person Debra is and everyone else who are like her
Y'all are way overthinking this lol
They both pulled weapons on Trevor. Trevor... a guy who eats human stew...
@@silkroad1201how is that relevant? and it's not really mental gymnastics
He's right.
I would like to believe that Braxtyn
Poor Floyd. He is nothing but a broken soul, inside and outside.😢
He did not deserve the shiz that he got in GTA-5.
I like to think that Floyd is alive and Trevor for being as crazy as he is helped Floyd to get rid of Debra's body and told him to flee. They all have connections so Trevor could help Floyd escape somehow behind the scenes.
Tbh I had no idea Floyd and Debra died until after I finished the game several days later. I was just rushing through this mission without paying any attention to its details so I automatically assumed that they disappeared when I thought about them midway through the game.
The 2nd possibility is probably the most likely to have happened. For the window to have bullet marks and blood in that exact area, it’s pretty obvious that Debra was killed in the exact spot she was in the cutscene by Trevor’s gunfire. Floyd tried rushing her, she killed him, and while that occurred Trevor moved towards where Floyd was originally standing and shot Debra. That would explain the crime scene, and the blood would probably have come from Trevor messing around with them after it was over. That would explain the non high logistic blood marks, and probably explain Trevor’s calm, exhausted manner of exiting the apartment, as he took some time to really digest what had happened.
Ya he he kinda warmed up to floyd in a Trevor sort of way
@@partyelixir1265 Trevor would have been a hypocrite for killing Floyd, because he would be betraying him after all Floyd did for T. Plus, Debra already betrayed him by cheating, so T prob felt bad.
I thought I saw bullet holes in the glass. Maybe Trevor charged Debra from around the other side of the counter and grappled the gun out the way when she fired another shot and he picked up the knife shortly after. Either that or Trevor was being a necrophile
Floyd got killed by a woman 🤣
The bullet can also be a refrence to GTA 4's ending where Roman dies, an assassin send by Dimitri Sucksdikolov and wants Niko dead after "this is a gift from Dimitri Sucksdikolov", he shoots Roman instead, Niko grabs his (assasin) gun and fights on who's brain is going to be spilled, same here but Debra had no power, all bark and no bite
The radio broadcast about finding Floyd and Debra’s bodies, his with a gunshot wound and her with stab wounds, is real. I heard it too, not long after this happened during my play through of this
@discord stuff its on weasel news
Same
Yup, I've heard it as well.
Yeah me too
Maybe it's on a specific version of the game, I just got a ps4 and a copy of the game last year, and back then I was still playing on patch one. I think I've heard about it after the mission. Rockstar maybe just removed it on the pc port to reduce the download size of the game.
Theory: 42:08 Trevor might have hit Debra in the head with a headbutt, as seen with his head being bloodied a bit. He does this with the other protagonists when they follow him too much. You can try it by following Trevor as Franklin. I think Debra, after being hit in the head lost consciousness and thus allowed Trevor to use the knife without any struggle from Debra.
i love trevor’s genuine reaction when debra mentions bob after he was literally making jokes about her cheating on floyd
“whoa, who’s bob?”
Its amazing to know how almost a decade after the launch of this game people still are trying to figure out details about the entire story of this game
It truly shows just how much detail and depth and love goes into a Rockstar title.
Its also insane how a 50 minute video can be made out of a minute long cutscene (That got replayed for about a fourth of the 50 minutes. I'm not complaining though, I love GTA lore.)
@@iluvcookies5076 yea it truly shows just how much detail Rockstar puts in every part of their game.
Sy whatever you want about R* nowadays and how they handle their online games, but they have a long list of fantastic games
Ey we dont talk about they latest releases tho
I really wish Floyd has survived this, he didn't deserve any of that and deserved much better. At the least having a choice where Trevor could tell Floyd they're getting out of there and finding Wade.
He definitely didnt deserve any of this man the dude couldve gotten himself out of that pitthole of being a slave for debra n prolly many other ppl things wouldve turn out better for him if he dumped her ass a long time ago they prolly been together for awhile b4 this yet he still hasnt opened up to wuts going on if he had manned up n text her he wanted a break up I believe surely he'd save his self a lot of stress
@@mr.ice_cold he was in love with her and was in a abusive relationship at least he tried to defend himself before his end
Welp, ole Floyd is in a better place now...Likely chopped up into pieces and stuffed down the toilet but hey! At least his mediocre torment is over.
There are two characters in particular in the Grand Theft Auto series that, in my opinion, did not deserve to die: Floyd Hebert and Jimmy Hernandez. For those who are not familiar, Jimmy Hernandez was a character in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. He was an L.S.P.D. officer and part of the C.R.A.S.H. squad which included Frank Tenpenny and Eddie Pulaski. Unlike Tenpenny and Pulaski, Hernandez was an honest police officer, and not corrupt like them. He was gathering evidence to have them indicted for their crimes, but was discovered and murdered by them. His last act was to try and save CJ while he was being held at gunpoint by Pulaski.
This video makes me feel bad for Floyd, him being in a abusive relationship. He’s a kind person, but gets killed by the end of the situation, presumably getting shot by Debra.
Thank you for making a video about this, I'm sick of all the clickbait videos so it's refreshing to finally get a in depth analysis of this.
I think during the kitchen scene when the screen went black there was additional dialog between the three. Debra probably ran her mouth so much degrading floyd none stop and talking about bob this and that..which triggers floyd to lunge at debra making her shoot him in the head which triggered trevor to go for debra for killing floyd which he brutally stabs her then shoots her. Knowing trevor he probably held floyd for a while before leaving that apartment could explain the blood all over him as well as the blood from the brutal killing of debra.
This is actually more plausible.
I think Trevor was joking about Debra cheating on Floyd because Trevor doesn't think that anyone so loyal could be cheated on, he thinks Floyd is a pushover but he thinks Floyd is also a very hard worker and does literally everything for Debra almost Works himself to death for her, Trevor was only joking about Debra cheating because Debra is never there for Floyd, but you can see absolute shock on his face when he realizes that his joke is actually true he didn't believe you could cheat on someone who works so hard to do everything for you. And that's why he is really shocked when he asked who Bob is. I think Trevor was trying to make her come to the realization that if they both think she's cheating on him clearly she's doing something wrong in the relationship and she needs to her part too fix it that's exactly what Trevor thinks. But instead he is shocked and then he snaps either before or after Debra kills Floyd. I think Trevor would have talked about this to both of them while the screen was black considering he was so shocked.
I always assumed the screen went black because Trevor blacked out. I used to have blackouts and it always ended with me having involuntary laughter after when I came back.
I like this idea
I agree with this! Sounds like the most accurate depiction of the entire thing. Also that part where you mentioned that Trevor was covered in blood when he got out because of killing Debra, as well as tending to Floyd (which is pretty much useless because in the radio news, it was said he was shot in the head).
He likely mourned for Floyd, hence Trevor calming himself, breathing heavy, and looking genuinely upset about how things went when he got out the door.
36:06
I believe in number 2. Floyd finally taking a stand for himself, but too late, as Debra shreds bullets in Floyd, and that activates Trevor's rage. So he takes his sweet time viciously murdering Debra and mourning Floyd. You can see that in Trevor's face after he left the condo all bloodied up.
He took one step too late he finally woke up to her BS man and if she was saved n tooken to a hospital n rlly wanted to get back together that's the sign to just say goodbye, like andrew tate said if you break up with somebody who isnt right for you because ur not being a simp for em wait a couple yrs to see how needy they feel for u and when they come crawling back then say know cuz things havent worked out b4 in the relationship that time wit this person so dont expect that much has change over a few yrs either wit that person, it's best to just say no to a once abusive girlfriend that wants to get back together wit u cuz theres a chance shes gonna use u again or ur friends behind ur back
@@mr.ice_cold Straight up man. It wasn’t like that with me when I had my first girlfriend. She wasn't abusive, but she was controlling, like she wanting to be the head of the relationship & not an equal. Always wanting me to take her side when there was a few times where she was wrong in the situation she was in.
@Ol Scarface himself It wasn't that she was manipulating me. She really loved me. It's just that she thought that she was right the whole time, & making fights with her haters on Instagram Live instead of ignoring them. I don't think she was mature enough for her age. She was a year or 2 older than me. My best times with her was when we were flirting with each other & going to 2nd base whenever we can 😏
i don't think Trevor is that nice even though I 100% believe Debra would to that. I think debra shot floyd, Trevor kills her, and then feeling sorry for floyd just finish floyd off for mercy. After all this is Trevor we're talking about, the same guy who killed the last game's Protagonist for literally no reason.
I don't think Floyd attacking Debra matters in this situation. Debra already didn't care about Floyd, now Floyd is holding a knife against her, she would most likely have shot him regardless. Since Trevor had no weapon, I believe she killed Floyd, which angered Trevor, causing him to bash her skull into the window over and over until she died. It would explain the blood as he is up close and personal. I literally always thought this was this obvious answer.
Dude your GTA videos are awesome! You're clearly a big fan of the franchise and I have been replaying them lately and it's been a blast, I have loved these games since GTA III in 01. I also love how you dress up as the protagonist in your videos. It's such a creative and fun thing to do for your videos.
I believe Debra shot and killed Floyd which then sent Trevor into his rage and he rushed her and disarmed her then he probably stabbed Debra repeatedly to death then when she was dead he then possibly dismembered her and I would like to imagine Trevor picked up Floyd’s corpse and placed him on one of the beds and left.
This.
Floyd is the kindest person in GTA 5 he dont deserve this poor guy😔😔
The best part of that encounter is Floyd grabbing the butcher knife and saying "Fuck Bob!!!"😂😂
Something you forgot; Trevor hates people that abuse and betray their partners. You're right about him hating betrayal. But look at his relationship with Patricia Madroza (which I'm honestly surprised you didn't bring up)
In his eyes, Martin likely cheats on his wife and because Trevor has this weird mother-son dynamic with her, he refuses to hurt or even verbally abuse her.
He can barely stand up to his own mother, which explains a LOT. In Trevor's eyes, a husband and wife must stick together and honor their vows. I'm not sure what he says about Amanda before he finds out she's having an affair. Trevor's father is very clearly not in the picture (likely dead or MIA).
There's plenty more you didn't discuss in this video, that could've been mentioned instead of repeating the same info.
So if he hates people who betray their partners, why does he sleep with johnny k's girlfriend, and then kill johnny k? Wouldn't he at least feel some type of remorse for the constant betrayal that johnny k endures while he is with john k's girlfriend?(I forget her name, but its the chick trevor is banging when he finds out about michael townley.)
Damn you almost made it through that whole comment without being condescending. Shame about that last sentence though.
@@GiveSic looks like constructive criticism to me, don’t understand how OP was being condescending.
@@NightOwlNocturne
People always need to pick a bone with someone ya know; I agree though - it’s constructive criticism in full.
@@GiveSic How is that condescending? Condescending is when you act like your above other people or like people are below you. Fair criticism isn't being condescending.
Also, Trevor’s “special ability” makes him damn near invincible, could be all the drugs lol. Even though he walked out the apartment without any bruises or bullet holes on him it can be implied that he suffered minimal damage in that apartment based on his special ability.
But his special ability is gameplay only and not affirmed in the story. If it was, he could have totally survived Ending A and killed both Michael and Franklin.
@@dummervolltrottel480 While true, in the beginning Lamar mentions Franklin's ability. This may just be clever dialogue to help as a tutorial of sorts, but still something to factor in
Special ability is not canon
@@naxitodarker Lamar addresses how Franklin's face gets when the user turns on his special ability.
@@dummervolltrottel480 true but after his best friend Michael turns on him I don’t think Trevor has much left to live for and just accepts defeat …also it makes him damn near invincible not invincible he still takes damage just very little, he literally died in an explosion lol
That news report in game does exist, Ive heard it as well, I think it was with a different character while driving around..but I know for a fact it exists.
I've heard it too after I switched the franklin for some mission with him IIRC
It would be in an audio file and well known by this point. Doubt it exists
@@WorthyDirtyJersey It does exist, however it might be one of those taken out by an update, or at a certain time with a certain player. I remember the radio talking about it, Im pretty sure it was after I switched to a differently character other than T. I put it on my kids it exists or existed, in fact my daughter heard it with me and said something about it too.
it exists, i was just playing awhile ago after that mission and it came up
We know Trevor goes by a strict code of conduct, one of his tenants is his inability to betray his people.
He could not have killed Floyd since he is trying to help Floyd get out of that relationship. Killing Floyd would end up in betrayal.
Debra shot Floyd first, she then went into a state of shock and adrenaline realizing she killed her first person. Trevor took the knife and killed Debra knowing when she finally got out of her shock, he would be next. He stabbed at her head and neck area. (IE why the blood was able to reach the kitchen window 's level)
After he kills Debra, he tries to save Floyd, but he couldn't. (IE why he is covered in so much blood.)
This is the best description that I could fit to the scene, that would fit with all the personalities of the characters in play here.
A real lore video based on actual evidence and logic! The fact you broke this down so succinctly is mind-blowing.
Definitely he did the best he can do man he definitely explained well on wut was going on n pro saw that floyd finally had his limits at that pt in the cutscene it was definitely very obvious she was using him to keep in that toughness persona, she was tryna get the best of him n take advantage of him as much as she can to the pt where its gonna eventually make things become worser, breaking up was the best option he couldve tooken
This blows your mind
You hear the weasel news broadcast when you switch to another character after the mission finishes, I usually hear it with Michael or Franklin when switching after the mission is complete
Edit: after Trevor takes over the unicorn and its his new spawn location, I mean
people should like this post so the Professional can see it
Link?
@@milgos5269 the game?
@@lilboo7240 yeah but can he show a recording of that voiceline.
yeah I usually hear Weazel News come up too,after completing missions, doesn’t matter which station you’re on.. but yes the weasel news broadcast does exist.
Some speculations I have about the case:
- Trevor doesn't have any cuts could be explained by the knife floyd grabs, which looks like it has a very ergonomic handle which would make it hard to cut yourself, and by the idea that trevor is likely an experienced stabber
- Trevor leaving a messy crime scene and not getting caught by it could be explained by him not having fingerprints. Having committed so many crimes in the last decade and not getting arrested, and living with conspiranoic ron, it wouldn't be far off to think he bleached or filed or burned his fingerprints
- Trevor getting to Debra for the stabbing is explained by Trevor's berserk ability. Even if just as a gameplay mechanic, it speaks of great resilience and tenacity from Trevor. It could also be that being a rookie shooter, Debra jammed the gun (from using it incorrectly on floyd or from not mantaining the gun correctly before using it)
Great video, never knew about the sneak floyd calls or lamar's interaction
this video is actually insane i really appreciate the time and work u put in this bro this is one of the most dark stories in gta 5
My favorite thing is when Trevor is looking for a spot the plan the Merryweather heist he just throws the portrait of Debra on the ground cracking it😂😂
This situation with Floyd and Debra kinda reminds me of my last relationship but theirs being 10x worse. Firstly I got nagged into moving in with with ex girlfriend but she wouldn't pay rent 50/50 like she promised, making excuses every months. I always got nagged into doing way too much when she offered very little in return. Maybe 6 months in, she started sleeping over other "guy friends" houses and I had enough. I moved out and not even a day later, she went to my work bragging about another guy and my coworkers told me immediately, despite the fact I already had suspicions. Ever since I worked on my self esteem and myself overall, I'm glad my relationship didn't escalate into what Floyd and Debra's did.
See man that's the thing u have to know how to play the "girls game" one of the dudes I watch called blastphamoushd definitely exposes women n tells ppl wut their true side rlly is, they'll use u until they cant no more that's just the reality n if u let them keep doing that then it only makes things worser down the line that's y its sometimes gud just to say no women can be very complicated when it comes to getting in a relationship ik, I usually always say too the worst thing u can do is have a relationship when ur still in school cuz chances are its fake or it wont last it's just putting on an act
Yours was not worse. You didn't have to deal with a psychopath who broke into your house who bullied you, threatened you and forced you into running a heist in your own home. Also, you lived to tell the tale. Consider youself lucky, and now you are able to stand up for yourself.
@@Sergmanny46 I probably typed it backwards, but I was trying to say Floyd and Debra's situation was 10x worse.
Lmao
@@kennydoggins1712duped by a dog, sad
Great video, I stumbled across your channel in the last year or so, great content, great analysis, the research you put and editing you put in is amazing...
1 million subs, you deserve 10 million, keep up the good work mate
I was not excepting a haha silly GTA V lore video to go into criminal physiology! Bravo, I really really really enjoyed it! Phenomenal stuff, it really goes to show how much love rockstar poured into the story mode
Something I think some might have missed, is between Debra and the gun. Why is there a gun in the condo? Sure Trevor may have left it in there, but Floyd and Trevor didn't react when she went for the drawer. Floyd may not have moved due to his self esteem, but he continued to get more aggressive after she pulled it out, rather that cower.
A possibility is that Floyd had bought the gun. He is a more rural guy, guns wouldn't have been too unusual for him. The weird part is that he would need Debra's permission to keep it in the house. Most likely he told her about it, because of his low self esteem and through her knowing where it was. Why would Debra want a gun in the house? It could be for protection, but due to her low expectations of Floyd, I doubt that she would trust him to defend the house much less her.
The more insidious theory would be she was planning to kill Floyd before Trevor arrived at the condo. When she pulls out the pistol, she says, "Bob taught me." This implies that she didn't know how to use it when they got it. When she blurts it out, it implies that she possibly told Bob about it and many other things and purposely kept this secret. It's unusual in her line of work to go to a gun range and I doubt she had any fear that Floyd would leverage his proficiency with of firearm against her. This could mean that Debra and or Bob were planning to kill Floyd before Trevor even arrived in Los Santos.
Maybe debra couldve bought it herself without floyd even knowing, since shes sneaky n manipulative she trys to keep her image safe by hiding a gun in the draw it's very obvious shes hiding many things from him just to take advantage of him I think floyd shouldve looked around for that gun n then trash it cuz who knows what she couldve been doing tryna do wit that gun in the firs place
"Bob taught me."
It's her gun.
@@Sergmanny46 It may be Debra's gun, but I think that to be unlikely. As was shown in the video, Floyd is constantly cleaning the condo and digging through her stuff in her room. He would have certainly discovered the firearm at some point. It's also somewhat puzzling that Debra would buy a firearm she didn't know how to use as evidenced by her saying," Bob taught me." Sure, she would want to learn eventually, but she decided to keep her firearm training secret from Floyd. There is also the possibility that she brought the gun when she came back to the condo shortly before the confrontation and put the gun in the drawer. However, Debra hasn't been there for very long as evidenced by her still wearing her business clothing. Debra doesn't appear until Trevor returns to the condo meaning this gun most likely was in the condo before Trevor came to Los Santos.
Why does she have a gun? Glad you asked. Its America.
@@thenamesdampen6888 idk I dont think its THAT complicated. Its probably her gun and Floyd does fuck all since he's the female in the relationship
It’s sad how Floyd’s story ends
I agree
i fell asleep while watching a video about geography and woke up to this, it seemed interesting and so i kept watching, great content lol
My manz here did a DEEP dive into this.
I like to think debra shot floyd and trevor got so mad that he grabbed the knife from the now dead floyd and started stabing her and thats why he had a bunch of blood on him.
In the shape of handprints and footprints no less. Debra must have gone out like a berserker.
@@astolfofansunny4047 gears of war berserker
Holy shit, the whole context of the Floyd and Debra lore is mind-blowing. Trevor might be a psycho with a short fuse and doesn't cross any lines unless if he has to, pushing him too far can be really messy; and even Trevor knows that before he was about to kill the so-called couple this isn't going to end well. And when Floyd sees Trevor was going to be like, "you have got to be kidding me! Please get the hell outta my house..."
Also, the fact that Floyd is being treated like crap by both Trevor and Debra shows that the latter two have many things in common than you thought. Debra is the epitome of an abusive girlfriend, she neglects and cheats on Floyd. She enjoys a lavish lifestyle and a executive position of a company while Floyd is an average working man. Trevor, being a crime lord himself, commands total obedience to his henchmen, which is why Ron and Wade are scared of Trevor. That said, Trevor and Debra have a very domineering attitude, the only main difference is that like what Professional said, Debra is a narcissist and an abusive girlfriend, while Trevor uses fear to keep anyone in line, friend or foe alike.
Yeah poor floyd was surrounded by bad people
@@thevoidwalkerbr that's the point. And every GTA game has too many evil people around them -- some that are just domineering bullies (Sonny Forelli, Ray Boccino, Ray Bulgarin), scam artists (Devin), backstabbers (Catalina and Dimitri), drug addicts (Big Smoke, Billy Grey), or even corrupt law enforcers (Tenpenny, Francis, and Haines). Hell, every GTA protagonists aren't saints either, they commit crime for a living without question (Claude), part of it as a tradition among gangs (CJ and the Grove Street Families, Toni and the Leone family, Johnny with The Lost MC), being unwillingly roped into it thanks to a one bad day (Vic, Luis, and to an extent Michael), hardened criminals who had run ins with the law but managed to gain success (Tommy and Trevor), or some just for the sake of revenge (again Claude, Niko).
First scene with Trevor he kills a man by smashing his skull with a foot when the guy is angry about Trevor having sex with this man‘s girlfriend.
Yeah, he clearly only goes too far if you push him too hard….🙄
Stop right there: there is no proof of cheating at all and if you call that „a lavish lifestyle“ I have to question your judgement.
The main difference between Trevor and Debra is, that Trevor is a psychopathic killer and Debra just an abusive narcissist.
In some way, Trevor cared about Floyd a bit. "Whoa, whoa, who is Bob?". His face changed in a second. But still, Trevor does whatever he wants, without thinking about others feelings. He still broke in Debra's flat, lived there in a while and turned that place into a dirty shithole, was threatening Floyd and made him to help to rob his own workplace, in some way ruined his life before death
Bro digging so deep on something so insignificant. Great video!
Trevor going “yes!” Whenever someone swears at him is hilarious. Also the little speech he gives in response to Michael as they’re leaving for the heist is also great
I know Trevor is a psychopath and all but he is the only character to be loyal and is somewhat extremely intelligent. He didn’t even know about Debra and Floyd relationship, yet the slightest hint he gets from it, and he already knows Floyd is being used and what she does behind his back.
Trevor is sociopath , Dimitri is a psychopath
in game Canon Franklin is also loyal as he chose not to betray his friends and even put his life on the line to save Lamar when he didn't have too. Lamar was also loyal. He was just a dumbass lmfao
Plot twist: It really was a syrup accident, they just got a bit carried away with the syrup and Trevor was mad cause he wasn't invited back after making a mess.
Good ending
This was a question living in my head rent free for a while now. This channel has helped me a lot with the questions i have in rockstar games. Thank you
I think Debra killed Floyd as much as Trevor is a psychopath in the story you don’t see him killing an honest man on purpose
Trevor is not psychopath
He's not a psychopath, he's a sociopath, there's a major difference. Sociopaths can empathize for people they know, psychopaths can't feel empathy for anyone at all. If he were a psychopath, he wouldn't be showing any emotion at all after that, would probably have even sadistically enjoyed it.
@@xxprototypexx5056 definitely if he was a psychopath I dont think he would be telling floyd the dangers if staying in the relationship
Well this is how so many times mens treats girls so it's nice change.
@@icy6673 abuse has always been gender neutral. There have been plenty of men abuse by women as much as women abused by men. Men however are way less likey to call the cops or help when it happens because it can be considered humiliating. You could be staring at a man who's being horribly abused by their girl and you wouldn't be the wiser.
To add onto the point about the book, Chains Of Intimacy is a very obvious 50 Shades Of Grey parody. It even says it’s soon to be a motion picture. The 50 Shades movie was announced in 2012, a year before GTA 5 came out and when it was still in development, and production started the next year when GTA 5 was released.
These lore videos are the BEST. Great channel.
I’m watching your video right now. Seriously, thank you for the forensic rundown on the high velocity blood splatter analysis. Took me back to my days in criminal justice classes in college. I wanted to be a crime scene tech…
@TheProfessional 42:35 Maybe the reason there are no cuts on Trevor's hands is that (as we know that he has a history of violence) he could be experienced in killing with knives and knows to be aware he can cut himself on his own weapon? I love your videos Professional.
Yup if he knives someone especially if hes doing it very quickly hes definitely at risk getting his self cut very badly, its definitely not a good sign but ye I think he did knife debra but floyd stabbed in n got himself cut too, probably after that he couldve shot debra through the window several times that's probably while those cracks are there
@Roman Wardle oh that's a good point, didn't even think about that.
Another detail I noticed when you said that Debra has no pictures of Floyd; on Lifeinvader, Floyd’s profile pic has both him and Debra looking happy. Goes to show that he still values Debra enough to show her face on his page, while she wants nothing to do with him.
Whoever done Debra’s motion capture done a fantastic job
I like the matching attire to the protagonists when you enabled camera.
Nice little added extra😁👍🏻
Here's what I think happened: Floyd charged Debra. She shoots him and it fatally wounds him; we never learn how many gunshot wounds Floyd had. He falls forward. Even though she doesn't care about Floyd, she's not a killer and she's never shot anybody, so she freezes. In that moment, seeing Floyd wounded on the floor, Trevor is enraged and charges her. Debra may have still been in shock over shooting Floyd and also terrified of Trevor in that moment, not to mention inexperience with firearms in general and being in such an intense situation, Trevor gets to her and kills her. We also don't know if Floyd died immediately; based on Trevor's expression after closing the front door, I think he died in Trevor's arms after some time.
Mhm. I have read one of the comments and to quote it. I think Trevor used Debra as a basketball basically
Before it cut to the black screen you can see that Trevor was looking straight to Debra, his aim was to only kill her. Considering the “Weasel news report” real, Probably Floyd went to try and defend Debra and she shot him without a second thought, so Trevor picked that knife and made something very brutal with Debra, thus the very bloody window, exactly were Debra was positioned. Trevor avenged Floyd and took Mr Raspberry Jam as a tribute to remember his fallen friend
It's so upsetting Floyd was a good guy
Yup debra crossed the line, I can see why trevor was aiming for her I dont even think his intent was to have floyd killed it wasnt his intent to get floyd out of that pitthole he let himself get stuck in, he wanted him to stop being her simping knowing nothing good will come out of it
Then where did the buletholes in the window come from?
@@iBreakAnkles4Fun I do not believe that the holes in the window are bullet holes. More likely, they are chunks of window glass that fell out of the window when it was cracked, presumably by Debra's body while Trevor was stabbing her, which, given where Debra was standing prior to the cut to a black screen, was likely on or near the kitchen bench.
@@TAlim_1994 She obviously wasn't standing on top of the kitchen counter that makes no sense haha at 48:54 you can clearly see a bullet hole in the bottom right of the window.. If a person fell against a kitchen window they would just fall through it.. You can't stab a hole in a regular window without it shattering into pieces, its not a car windshield. Although it is a game so i guess your scenario is still probable.
I wonder how things would have gone if Floyd had lived. I like to think he would be angry and unstable for a while, maybe a side mission where he ended up trying to kill Bob after this and he would try to put full blame of what happened between him and Debra. Until he either does kill Bob and then regrets his rashness or he fails and needs to be bailed out by Trevor which leads to him being part of the crew with some important filler in-between.
Thank you Lester for more lore!
22:00 Floyd mentions he tried the room last night, meaning he went to either a suite or office down the road at her job but no one was there. Which could confirm the theory that she might be out around town with Bill/Bob or jet setting with him.
As for the photos at Maze Tower, it could just be a company photo.
As for what happened in the condo, I think Deb shot Floyd and Trevor killed her out of retaliation with the knife Floyd would have used on her. I never read the wiki article about their altercation. There is a possibility that considering all the blood on him and the window, is a possibility that he bashed her head into the window. Also, I don’t think it’s hard to believe that Trevor didn’t get cuts from stabbing because he’s experienced. He’s killed people and knows how to kill people. If it’s a first time altercation, it’s not that surprising that people in stabbings have cuts on their hands because they don’t know how to use a knife.
32:13 I think the reason Trevor looks like he was hit a bit by Deb turning on Floyd is because he saw a bit of himself in Floyd and for her to talk to Floyd like that probably triggered some deep seeded issues from his life growing up.
Just finished the video. This video is a masterpiece. I never even knew who Bob was and I thought he was just a random npc that showed no significance. But yeah, I think Debra shot and killed Floyd and then Trevor, in his crazy rage, tackled Debra straight into the kitchen window. Then grabbed one of the kitchen knives that were on the counter near where Debra was standing. And stabbed her multiple times until she was dead. Great Lore Video Pro! Thank you so much.
Also I wanted to point out that Trevor most likely killed Debra after Floyd was dead because he was pissed off about he Debra betrayed Floyd. Like you said Pro, Trevor hates betrayal. That's a good point too.
The News broadcast is true but it is after the mission you can’t hear it randomly on the radio when you’re driving
Trevor’s dialogue in the cutscene is just more funny Trevor moments and why he’s my favorite