Schizophrenia and the modern world | Dr. Iain McGilchrist
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'The Master and His Emissary' by Dr Iain McGilchrist:
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Here is my first psychiatrist I was only 19 we sat he listened and was so kind he just listened:’Hayes Grove Priory Hospital’ He just observed and he loved me! ❤️
The whispering at 1:03-1:10 made me believe I had schizophrenia for a second.
Omg same. What was that??
If Chinese are indeed more able to "seeing the richness that the right hemisphere offers", perhaps, is due to their written language system being relatively independent from its auditory properties, which might involve slight variations of neuralcircuits' activation in childhood? A downside, one might say, but could it also, be a advantage? (as discussed in Dr Mcgilchrist's video "On beauty". Eg. Chinese poems offer beauty not only on rhymes/rhythms (sound), on connotation (sense), but also on antithesis (form), on a stunning morphological level, which reminds me of Bach's Goldberg variations, same expression of mathematical beauty in different ways).
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So, here's the thing -- I consider myself a heavily right-reliant sort of chap-- my way of being in this world is, so I say, very right-hemispheric ---
If I were doing this interview, and I saw the arm reach across the interviewer and leave something (presumably a note) that captured the attention of the interviewer as in this instance -- I could NOT have gone on talking -- this happens a good deal on interviews seen on youtube these days -- where we can witness that something has captured the attention of one, and the other keeps on with what they were saying -- I could not do that -- I would simply HAVE to pause until I had that person's attention again -- now the question is, is this some sort of narcissism on my part, OR is it in fact a much deeper empathy that fully realizes it's reliance on the wholeness of the moment for what is being conveyed, and therefor cannot continue if there has been a break (or more precisely, a third thing of some kind -- another "participant" if you will) in the flow -- this break might be described as a schism -- I see it as a left brain process, to go on as if there was no interruption -- that is, as if the CONTENT of the conversation was more important than the CONTEXT (or I prefer to use the term 'container') -- that two people, (EVEN if one is a professional interviewer and really is not at all invested in what is being said) are in a dialogue.
Now, there is no way for me to know for sure whether Iain McGilchrist had a real-time visual of his speaking partner or not-- if not then what Ive written above does not apply to this video -- but it still applies to others across the internet. And in some way, it still applies to the interviewer -- I might be way too quick to call it rude -- more charitably, distracted (and please, NO referral to "muti-tasking" -- I think that has been reliably disproven) -- but none the less, VERY important to note if one were really interested in the ways the right and left hemispheres meet the word and "each other" (or, oneself, if the holism/schism dynamic is to be understood right-brainedly)
Interesting to read your comment here because I was actually thinking just after "the arm reaching incident" that something didn't seem quite right. It was as if McGilchrist was completely unaware of it....not that he was going on in spite of it. There is more than one potential view way to set your view while zooming...so maybe he didn't catch it for that reason, but I also felt it was very odd the way "the interviewer" was sitting there looking completely disengaged in what McGilchrist was saying....It almost seemed as if the video had been "patched together" after the fact....and you know...it very well could have been...for any number of reasons. There truly was something very unusual happening there.
It would seem to me to be the opposite of what your suspect. The ability to not be distracted is context and understanding context, to interpret the arm, not to be distracted. To be focused on the narrow distraction and be thrown off as a result would seem to be an inability due to lack of perspective. The left sees the arm, the right contextualises, the left obeys and keeps talking as served by the right.
the question is what do we believe is true and not (eg do we need to wear glasses for our eyesight for example? are there more sinnister forces right now? we may not want to see? and by the way, where have you been in the last 12 months?
Why do I hear whispers at 1:05?
Any thoughts on epilepsy and the right hemisphere?
Read 'The Daemon' By Anthony Peake. You will get a direction there. Great book.
@@abcabc9893 Thanks!
Psychiatric drugs can make a non schizophrenic person Schizophrenic anyway - when they try to withdraw from them they are totally incapable of coping. Even though they might have been happy not taking the drugs to begin with.
Like taking tranquilizers in an oven instead of lowering the temperature
i'm interested to know whether schizophrenia has left hemisphere overdrive because the consciousness is experiencing levels of awareness that are more suited to the more interconnected, intuitive and wholistic right brain's interpretation.
"When conscious life is characterised by one-sidedness and false attitudes, primordial healing images are activated - one might say instinctively - and come to light in the dreams of individuals and the visions of artists." - Carl Jung
"Schizophrenia is a condition in which the dream takes the place of reality." - Carl Jung
in a mind where the left hemisphere has been taught to dismiss and even ridicule the value of the right hemisphere, I imagine that if there was a flood of dream like content during waking life, that the left hemisphere would scramble to try to apply everything it knows to make sense of it, but would be unsuccessful, causing the left hemisphere overdrive to only accelerate into psychosis.
'Dream takes the place of reality', this is not a desirable state. Schizophrenia is a distorted sense of reality, what is percieved gets misunderstood. The mind latches on to ideas and does not contextualise, therefore interpret what they are. This is a common misunderstanding of schizophrenia often given by the psychedelic community and such types. As if it is a enriching state like psychedelics. However, when you speak to these people they can no more explain, interpret, contextualise or draw from their psychedelic experiences any thing that they can make sense of. It is all talked of in general meaningless terms, completely impersonal and no sense made of things in any exacting way. These people interpret this as insightful and spiritual. Such, same people see schizophrenia as a mistaken medicalised mistake, as these people are only being misunderstood, it ot the doctor who is wrong. Close examination of someone with schizophrenia, it is very easy to make out what is going on. Erroneous direct connections are made between things. People, objects, situations etc take on new meaning and they are believed with no doubt, there is actually no questioning of them. This is left brain identification, the right brain would process these observations and map them into a wider whole and relay that back to the left to assimilate.
So the similarity here is between the low level erroneous ideas of the majority of psychedelic users and schizophrenics, they both share similarities but no of the reasons the former believe, but more for the reasons of sharing the limitations not identified of the latter.
I just took a massive shit while listening to this. Vest experience ever.
What a joke this is
@@abcabc9893 Psychedelic users can't use words to describe their experiences because they will know how words, classifications and categorizations distort the whole experience, it is so unique that only to experience it you will understand, you likely didn't and is the reason why you criticize them.
@@Nature_Consciousness You can't find words which is why you will be unable to decipher anything and derive anything from it, unable to make conscious understanding of what of yourself you are experiencing through this direct experience. What a waste of time that is..... You see, it's the exact opposite of what you suppose... I was using Salvia Divinorum, Ibogaine, DMT etc 25 years ago ... and derived a whole field of therapy to treat addiction after many many years of interpretation.... what were you criticizing exactly?? You see, you've missed the exact point.... without interpretation that is accurate... you have nothing... just a weird experience. You simply don't understand what those experiences are about. How do you suppose all the people who have written of these experiences have been doing.... sitting in their ass unable to make sense of things? No, that's the majority of people who never raise the intent ever to look into themselves with an element of insight..... they waste the opportunity. But like you are unaware there was an opportunity!!! Now you know. Some people do .. some don't.
~]>> 3:59 - and press play :>]
Love Iain, but the Chinese right hemisphere had a catastrophic stroke about 30 years ago.
This is all very much along the same lines as the themes in the writings of Philip Kindred
The arm of God