This House Believes Israel is a Rogue State | The Cambridge Union
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2015
- RESULT: Ayes 51%, Noes 19%, Abstentions 30%. Representing a 7% swing to the proposition from the pre-debate vote to the post-debate vote.
The Israel/Palestine crisis has existed since Israel’s formation; with neither side gaining the upper hand despite decades of suffering. In this debate we turned to Israel, and asked whether it was time we declared them a rogue state.
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PROPOSITION
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Dr Norman Finkelstein is a Jewish American political scientist, activist, professor, and author, whose primary fields of research include the Israel-Palestine conflict. He is currently working on his next book, ‘How to Solve the Israel-Palestine Conflict.’
Prof. Ghada Karmi is a Palestinian author and academic who was made to leave Jerusalem in 1948. Most of her recent research has been on the Israel-Palestinian conflict and has appeared widely in the media and the press.
Ben White is a freelance journalist, writer, and human rights activist. He is a Cambridge graduate, and has published two books on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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OPPOSITION
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Vivian Wineman is currently president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, the representative body of the Jewish community in Britain.
Hannah Weisfeld is the director and one of the founders of Yachad, the UK’s pro-Israel pro-peace movement. Previously she chaired the Jewish Social Action Forum for two years.
Davis Lewin is the Deputy Director & Head of Policy and Research at the Henry Jackson Society, a global think tank that fights for the principles that keep societies free. He is also a former Middle East Director at the Next Century Foundation.
'Kill them all' - US army, Mai Lai, Vietnam
'Kill them all' - Reinhard Heydrich, Wansee, 1942
'Kill them all' - IDF official policy since Deir Yassin (see Breaking the Silence for details, among many other sources). Israel treats human rights, the rule of law and the will of the international community with contempt.
Boycott Israel. Together we can bring a peaceful end to this tragedy.
***** Numb Nut
SpacePirate Hussein was ignored by the Palestinians. A tiny minority collaborated, but then so did a tiny minority of Jews. Even if the Arabs were enthusiastic Nazis (they weren't) it wasn't them who did the Holocaust. It was the Germans. Go and steal their country. Hypocrite.
It has been proven that the Jewish Stern gang received funding and arms from the Italian Fascists to resist the British Mandate in Palestine. In fact, the Stern gang's collaboration with the Fascists and Nazis was going on while their Jewish brothers were being persecuted in Nazi concentration camps. Also, when the Americans, British, and their Arab allies were busy blocking the Nazis' advances in north Africa, the Stern gang's leader Yitzhak Shamir and the Irgun gang's leader Menachim Begin were busy ambushing British soldiers, blowing up the vital Haifa-Cairo railroad supply line, and terrorizing British and Palestinian civilians. Thanks for bringing that up.
No-one buys Zionist lies and distortions anymore. See 138-9 for further details.
Simon Brunswick Ignored my rear behind. Husseini had such a wide support in the Arab world that he was able to cause the Farhud in Baghdad. And you forget that he was the one who prevailed over all moderate Arab leaders and was the founder of Fatah, the forerunner of the PLO? (In fact, he was Yasser Arafat's uncle but not too many people know about it).
And you also forget that he was the one who incited and caused the genocide of 350,000 Serbs and Gypsies by Bosnian Muslim SS troops (which he lead). He was the voice of Nazism in the Islamic World, a task for which he was paid a salary equal to 10 million USD/year in today's money. He was the one who perverted Islam into radicalization under the false idea that Jews would have been a foreign element when the Koran states clearly that Allah gave the Land to the Jews Forever. Muslim leaders didn't want to go to war with Israel, but they were pushed into war by this man because of the evil attraction he had over the Muslim masses (the same type of attraction Hitler exercised over Germans). He was such a racist that he made an alliance with the Nazis and planned with them the construction of extermination camps in Palestine in case Germany would have won the war. And this is a proven fact, not your crappy, baseless propaganda.
+SpacePirate "And you also forget that he was the one who incited and caused the
genocide of 350,000 Serbs and Gypsies by Bosnian Muslim SS troops (which
he lead). "
Husseini didn't command any units. And most of the Serb death in the NDH were caused by the Ustasha.
I'm no fan of Husseini and I'm sympathetic to Israel. But his record is bad enough without needing to embellish it.
+SpacePirate ...pure trolling
In their mind, israelis don't violate human rights, because they don't consider the palestinians as humans.
They were destroyed for the same reason as Muslims: they don't worship idols they incorporate letters in their ritual.
A pretty stupid comment from Antonio.
"Palestinians" is a general term which referred to Jews, Armenians, Arabs, Druze, Circassians, Bedouin tribes, Turks, Greeks etc who resided within part of what was the Vilayet of Beirut in the Ottoman Empire (yes thats the name for 500years under the Ottomans).
The British after conquering the Ottomans carved up borders along with the French (Sykes-Picot) to create what is todays "Palestine/Israel" region.
First cutting off the Northern part to create Syria & Lebanon given to the French and then cut up Trans-Jordan to create Jordan and Palestine/Israel.
Those Arabs, Druze, Circassians etc who ended up within Israel make up 20% of the population and have equal rights as citizens of a democracy = Israel, so your comments are pathetic.
Many of these citizens of Israel are more loyal to the state than Jews are eg Christian Israelis such as Father Gabriel Naddaf & affiliated "Arab" communities (actually Greek & Armenian origins who have been Arabized) or members of the Druze communities.
As for those outside the boundaries of Israel - in the West Bank and Gaza, well they could have declared independence in 1948 but annexed by Jordan & Egypt for 19 years.
As it happens, the Palestinian economy was flourishing in the 1980's when 100,000 had jobs within Israel from Gaza alone - with only 5% unemployment.
Once Hamas had taken over Gaza - its impossible to employ 100,000's of Palestinians in an open border - considering even prior to the Hamas regime, Palestinian suicide bombers would regularly be sent in the mid 1990's killing hundreds of Israelis in markets, buses and other public areas.
Very strange words to use against a country that has been Israel's most important ally for decades.
Jisrael Would Israel survive without all the money they get from America?
Yes, although it would be difficult and the Israelis would most likely have to be a LOT more ruthless.
The last guy basically sums up israel
@noshrinkage 😂😂😂 sure buddy
Not at all. he’s passionate and fed up of the lies.
@@adamlasky1694 What Lies😂😂😂?! Israel is an Apartheid State which regularly violates International law, Which regularly massacres Children, Which precides over the longest occupation in human history, which makes no distinction between terrorism and Resistance! Where is the LIE?!
@noshrinkage No army, which specialises in killing is moral. U can use whatever euphemisms to describe their actions but their business is killing.
@noshrinkage What exactly did he say? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The entire world is so goddamn sick of the Semite and Holocaust cards being played so irrationally and dishonestly.
Really Holocaust card???
@Michael Lane are you making it up thats too much🤣🤣
Technically speaking, arabs are also semites. Both Hebrew and Arabic are semitic languages.
@@tonyscott1658 yeah, but they aren't God choosen People, so nobody gives a DAMN.
Stop pretending you care or know. Stop being such a yes-man bobblehead for anti-Jew interests and Jew hatred in the region. They are anything but a rogue state.
Isreal is more than a rogue state, it is maniac state. An abomination. Isreal was never invaded, wars were started pre-emptively by a paranoid, lunatic state, because it knows its in the wrong but does it anyway. 90% percent of jews there have no claim to that land.
hmmm
You believe in killing Israelis for what happened in 1948.
XtreemMetalMan who said anything about killing?
The blowing up of the Sbarros. Isn't that killing or is that resistance.
Get back to me with facts.
Norman Finkelstein is indeed a legend!
He's still alive. Hello?
@Ronie Lavon -how about 250million dead from islam
@noshrinkage obviously because it highlights an army fighting an armed resistance
@@ThekiBoran yeh
He's an unhinged maniac
1:28:20 medal of Honor for this guy in the public saying 'we've got a ROGUE SPEAKER as well' rofl
I love the British wit, it reminds me of Mexican wit.
Anyone with basic maths is anti Semitic , 6 million it don't add up .
If the last man to speak had been born in Palestine, he would not have been able to speak like that. Maybe he couldn't speak at all ...
@ 'If' belongs to science movies. We are discussing facts and history here.
@@alisonhilll4317 did you actually say " basic maths " bahahahaha.... 3rd grade spelling , your IQ shines ,
how to influence people ??? Every single debate i have seen or heard on the subject of Israel/Palestine ..Israelis always get very, very angry.
+byron elenica The truth hurts.
+byron elenica do they really.. you're talking about one guy, that was not israeli, but possibly Jewish. And unfortunately they have not uploaded the previous debate about whether israel is a rogue state. Also though you're a good example of why people are better if they want to win over as many people as possible, as better off not getting angry, since dumb pieces of garbage like you won't understand the arguments and will just say "oh he looks angry, he must be wrong". that guy clearly wasn't aware of that.
Boliusa bol Interesting.. prejudice abound but interesting.
+byron elenica The reason is .. no person(non Israelis) with right state of mind can support Israel or it's actions, period.
I agree.
The promised land for organised crime
+Stan Dalby Former Prime Mnister Olmert is currently in jail for massive fraud and corruption. (Former President Katsav is also in jail, for rape).
+Stan Dalby i always wondered where all the "up starts" and new company all come from poor lil isreal, all the war funding and christian donations used to for what....? new businesses and bullets and bombs , drugs, sex slaves.
@@yahulwagoni4571 wow what a fantastic point!
kinda shows that israel isn't only rogue it's a bloody terrorist state.
mrsbrown andhercat
What are you bragging about?
he’s in prison for corruption,, rape...... but not for war crimes?
It tells alot about israel.
@@yahulwagoni4571 The world is waking up to you crimes , Zionism will end soon , it is sick .
At 1:17:38 Dr. Norman Finkelstein made the most appropriate response. If the the Jews keep saying 6 million 6 million we can share the death toll of Palestinians as well. An honest and courageous man who speaks against injustice at the cost of his livelihood. Stay Blessed sir.😊
except more Jews died from the Arabs then the Arabs died from Jews .. so Finkelstein is a total idiot
@IIWII he also forgot to mention that Isreal was a culprit in creating tensions between Jewish arabs and fellow country men, see the bombing of baghdad with declassified documents showing that It was sponsored by none other than Israel itself. (Article is on hareetz by Tom Segev "Now It Can Be Told")
Actually the Jews do not keep talking about the 6 million, though the numbers cannot be ignored -- esp in the context of how their population was decimated. Prior to the Holocaust, the worldwide Jewish population was 16 million; today it still has not recovered to pre-Holocaust numbers. But if you really listen to the discussion, they talk about the heinous policy of genocide administered and dispensed by the nazis and adopted by many of the countries of Europe and beyond. And not just the governments, but by citizens who also became willing executioners of the Jews, either by commission or omission. They talk not just about the horrendous machinery that facilitated the genocide, but also the destruction of Jewish culture and the massive displacement of many who happened to survive, either by escaping or by luck of not being discovered. But most of all they talk about policies that will prevent genocides from happening in the future, and particularly those that would once again target the Jews. "Never Again" while seemingly a simple notion, is in effect very complex, and has much to do with what many outside of Israel misunderstand about Israel governance and military policies.
There's a very good reason why it's existance wasn't accepted by it's neighbours..
Arab Jew-hatred.
Not really, more to do with the forced & violent expulsion of people from their homes & land by a group of zealots who believe their imaginary friend and work of fiction is more valid than than another groups. That's pretty much what I was getting at. Religion? Shit it...
SneakyShark The violence at the time mainly came from Arabs against Jews, not vice versa. It's not an accident that every Jew in the Middle East had to go to Israel whereas the Arab community in Israel is growing in number for decades.
I think we must be reading a different history of the region. I don't think we will agree on the subject. I personally will never concede that the violent expulsion of a population in order to create the state of Israel was anything other than an illegal act.
I'm going out on a limb here but do you happen to be Jewish?
Wow. Having Norman Finkelstein followed by that Davis Lewis guy was a pretty dramatic lowering of the bar.
Jeremy Dobson One can't lower the B.A.R.(British Accredited Registry) they create an all time low by their existence of pretended jurisdictions into lands & issues not of their own. Legal is a legal word under a particular political body.=mans laws. Lawful is a lawful word to describe what is right by man & God. Israel is a state of the Roman empire, they created & hold the title to the company, not the land, go check. A state is a political body, not an area of land. Big Question is does ones geographical position make one "within" a political body? If we put a bear in the Vatican is it now Catholic? One is not "within" a "state" unless they believe to be part of or working for that company by contract. Hence the pretended jurisdiction under color of law. Because in reality lawful trumps legal any time. Ignore her fictions is the key to world peace. Political borders are fictions created by statists/fascism to separate folks with beliefs of separate dietys/corporations/companies=religious & financial persecution at least.
mark wasington Good fucking reply Mark.
mark wasington people of "the word", eh? nah, people of _the story_ -- and word _games._ so a question: does US give america back to native americans because we have constitution & company flag? we fought brits for their colonies and won. we fought native americans for north america and won. but israel can claim right to all of palestine under _roman_ authority? are you daft? (rhetorical question ;)
Tom Xixtus Thanks Tom, I have to link you to see Max Igan & Ken O Keefe, an ex U.S. marine whom renounced his citizenship, & Max, Whom is stateless. Stateism as a religion sucks. Stateism seems to be the "religion" of the Vatican led death cult." The beast that comes out of the sea"(Holy see) could well be the many enforcement arms of that incorporation/offering/performing/forcing a form of Babylonian Talmudic "law" as "legal",but not called lawful upon us many "Christians", any orthodox performers of original Judaism/Torah worshippers, & anyone whom is against slavery, a one world bank, banks in general, or folks whom just do not want to support wars, death, child sacrifice, rape of kids(or anyone) by priests, or ones that ask very pointed & logical questions like how they suppose that their rules, statutes, codes, regulations, acts, & ordinances, ect.are to be applied to the natural non- incorporated man & not a "PERSON" claiming to be "of" any incorporation of theirs (not held into the cultish Qiestui kay via trust by contracts with little or no disclosure=fraud; via them stealing our babies footprints & all) & what evidence they would use to support that claim as proof, other than threats, injuries or insults.? Oh, or circular logic based on a belief, we need facts, not more "fact free" indoctrination into slavery ! ! ! Where are the facts ? If demanded, Is it force or by our implied consent, we may never know, if we do not have the balls to stand up as men ! The Borg is no match to a bunch of men standing up against what is right before God , but just one man standing up alone might suffer the same fate as Jesus was, being found posthumously innocent. (ouch) Some of their agents started out as men(before they fastened unto themselves an engraven image=badge of some other authority) & if given, or shown the correct direction in a peaceful fashion they too may gain the faith it takes to stand up as a man in honor to God, before seeking that of men for the sake of their souls & mankind. All we have to do is return every offer they send us, return to Ceasar/Khazar/Kaiser/ what is his. Render onto them all their cards, stamps, & chips (if you have a R.F.I.D. chip implanted already, or a stamp on your head, or the B.A.R. cards for former code agents, or any "number of your name," cusip# or otherwise... Just like you are leaving the casino into the real world. Anybody else with faith, savvy & bravery want to do this with me ? To be seen as a man before God or to be re-cog-nized/ re-geared as a"PERSON"/mask/a veil/ a corporation/ a franchise created by a man & told what to do by one. "Thou shall have no other judge/maggi/gods before me". The flock has strayed & will be fleeced for it.
Jeremy Dobson this is there standard when rationality or morality is concerned.
A truly great mind enhanced by the privilege of studying at Cambridge would stand with truth and not support Israel just because you are an Israeli.
+byron elenica unfortunately to a Jewish individual, it's Israel that comes first before anything else no matter wherever they are.
"Did Palestinians not leave voluntarily in 1948?" XD
The poor guy watches so much Zionist propaganda.
Best joke ever, the whole hall laughed it off.
Who was that cuddly man at the end? Lord Janner?
The IDF "Israeli Demolition Force" is one of the most moral "what, I'm confused?"
IDF and moral, in the same sentence?
The purest definition of immoral IS the IDF's actions, in truth I don't understand why the Oxford dictionary's definition hasn't been updated to:
IMMORAL. Actions frequently taken by The IDF..........
I do believe Immoral is what the I in IDF stands for.
'we got a rogue speaker as well'
Pity the whole debate has soundly been sabotaged in the silencing of this debate .
It's called silencing of the freedom of speech (only reserved for the chosen ISRAELINAZIGOVT )the rest of the world does not qualify ,any other topic is allowed but not THIS .
Rogue usually dosint present it self rouge, some who says his opinion lively is not rogue.
That is a cheeky joke by some stupid self centered student, and does not perceive the importance and Crutialtyof the subject. The essence of morals is at stake.
So sad that truth is so unclear these days.
The last man is pathetic!
That fat Zionist at the end is full of BS , why do Jews lie all the time ? Pathetic .
@Ronie Lavon I agree with the anti-Semitism charge, but the nazi one is a bit more of a stretch, imo. But anyway, yeah, what an incredibly ignorant thing for Alison Hill to say. Labeling all Jews as liars after JUST watching a debate between several Jewish scholars, one of whom came ARMED TO THE TEETH with evidence in SUPPORT of this motion. Damn, that's sad.
@Ronie Lavon Indeed.
man I love norman, he is a rock star. That last speaker was a total joke he should be ashamed to show his face at any debate.
My lord the last speech was probably the craziest scenes I've seen in a debate.
What a disgrace! Such unprofessionalism !
The lady said 'Its pretty uncomfortable to sit in a bus surrounded by 4 other buses'. Good point. I think it will frightening to get a phone call to leave ur building in 3 minutes or a rocket is going to blow up your building. This is with no direction where is a safe zone or where wont be attacked! I will take the bus option anyday. It must be terrifying to know that u take refuge in school, hospital or a mosque and an army will attack it cos 'they suspect' weapons there. It must be scary to know that a whole building can be attacked cos an army has identified a terrorist in its premises. It must be frightening to know that I as a nurse, para medic journalist, child can be attacked.
No way this Davis Lewin guy was serious here. He came to troll the entire room and did so rather effectively. His "argument" was full of logical fallacies, had little content, and consisted of statements intended to elicit hostile reactions rather than provoke thoughtful dialogue.
Ramon Suarez I agree he didn't use the best words; though I don't understand where the logical fallacies were.....
nitsmdm Really? I thought it rather obvious he resorted to the most common and vulgar logical fallacy in argumentation - abusive argumentum ad hominem.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Ramon Suarez while I agree it isn't the best way to answer anything, there are a few things to consider:
1. the outcome was pretty obvious while noticing reactions from the crowd both sides, obviously siding with the anti-Israeli rhetoric.
2. any logical statements could be done, and they were done, in addition to ad hominem
3. the fact that he used it was to shed some light on the type of people he was arguing with, noticing that the battle was lost on that arena he unfortunately resulted to doing so
nitsmdm None of these points provide legitimate excuses for committing the abusive ad hominem fallacy. Its poor rhetorical form to attack an interlocutor instead of their argument. It only reveals an inability to engage with the issue - which is the Israeli/Palestine Conflict - and furthermore leads us to a red herring fallacy (Ignoratio elenchi).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi
Ramon Suarez these people would not respond to anything else as they are so brainwashed by the anti-Israel and anti-semitic Islamic propaganda (which, in a Britain where 78 Sharia courts are allowed to function against British law, is particularly effective) that they wouldn't be able to acknowledge the falsity of most of what has been stated there, not even with the truth in front of them.
did Palestinian people leave voluntarily in 1948, WTF
Audio is terrible, i can't hear anything.
Nevertheless, Israel is a rouge state just as france, spain, england, australia, germany, iran, yemen and every other country in the world. You can always go to the point in time where every nation was formed and find arguements for and against their formation.
adondan most of them are also rogue states, although over here it is called the UK. however, the nations were present before such as english french spanish german and persian. there has never been an israeli nation whereas palestinians have been there for thousands of years. khazars were invented in 7th century and live on the coast, funding the returning jews to steal land in the west bank [where they lived before]. i should return to mongolia after several generations, and evict people from their new build homes as my ancestors had huts there!
adondan u are as one talkng thru ur elbows ...a real neutral pointless statement. to make urself look like a good little pipsqueek and harmless. their are no neutrals. u are either on one side or theb other. u cannot sit on the fence.
adondan none of the countries mentioned by you were 'born' in the 2nd (almost) half of the 20th century - when there were (and still in place) laws regulating the behaviour of nations, which Israel has been wiping its arse with ever since, '67 occupation is illegal under international law,
The Secret Scouser The Kingdom of Israel existed in the 10th century BC before Arabs were even called Arabs, let alone an actual civilisation, let alone conquered Judea.
Do please point out to me any evidence you have of the existence of the "Kingdom of Palestine" at any point throughout history.
***** The comment I replied to claimed that there never was an Israeli nation while "Palestinians" have been there for thousands of years. I just showed that exactly the opposite is true. Good day.
"Israel is unique state because it's the only Jewish state" I just wonder is it just me who sees the absurd in this sentence or what? How many German's or British's or French's states are in the world?
That would actually be the wrong comparison. You'd have to say "White state" or "Oriental state"... for instance
define "white". because slavs count as white too, there are people from the middle east who have white skin too, and europeons with darker tone like Italians. So what is white?
@@LolLol-ok4lr it doesn't matter. It's the same in principal
@@thebookman4126 What kind of stupid response is that ? If you can't define "whiteness" then you can't say it doesn't matter
@@LolLol-ok4lr you're just rude.
The first speaker reminds me of norman filkenstein, he is concise and lethal with his words
I am quite taken aback by how civil, articulate, and well informed the speakers are despite being in their early twenties mostly.
This is a stellar debate.
Finklestein blew the opposition out the water, what a legend
Excellent speaker loud and clear, very very good , good luck to you wish you all the best first speaker Ben white.
israel IS A ROGUE STATE. here are my reasons. i include points where i agree and disagree with the speakers in the video.
FIRST SPEAKER, ben: good speech. he actually reads the definition of "rogue state", which some of the speakers seem to forget. he rightly points out that any judgement of israel during this debate must be done in isolation of the actions of other nations. i wish more people would point out that israel has nukes and hasnt signed onto the NPT. settlements are a big issue and completely illegal. israel routinely builds more even though the entire world, including the usa, considers them illegal. this speaker does a good job of highlighting international law and also using more personal examples of individual palestinians. israel brags about how it violates international law...like a rogue would. he also mentioned that children are targeted exactly as their politicians and government officials have said they should be, calling unborn palestinian children "little snakes". children dying is no accident, its israels declared goal
SECOND SPEAKER, vivian: israel is not any more unique than any other nation. israel often suppresses the vote of non jews. israels founding WAS an invasion, what do they expect the reaction to an invasion to be? jews were living all over the middle east in peace. they were accepted. then european jews invaded and founded israel, against the wishes of all other nations. muslims didnt see jews as invaders, they saw hundreds of thousands of europeans coming in and demanding land as invaders. a point he refuses to see. israel often attacks first, so muslims hating jews cant be the real problem. this speaker seems to think that as long as israel isnt the worst offender of human rights, then they shouldnt be criticized. thats like saying its ok to kill jews, because hitler killed more. he is saying that its ok to kill muslims, because isis kills more muslims. bad moral argument, killing people is not ok. he mentions the hamas charter, but fails to mention the likud charter which denies the right of palestine to exist in the west bank. so what does israel have to complain about? its own flag is an act of war! a declaration of intent to invade and annex much of the middle east. the blue bars on the israeli flag represent the euphrates and the nile. thats what some radical jews call "greater israel". to make it a reality, they would have to invade parts of egypt, jordan, lebanon, syria, turkey, palestine, and iraq.... but he blames muslims for all the violence.
2nd COMMENTER: "shouldnt we consider israel to be a frontline against nuclear proliferation in the middle east and central asia?" no, we should not. ISRAEL IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!! they dont want anyone else to get nukes or even have nuclear power. thats what radical apartheid supremacists do. they want to live by two sets of rules, an easys et for us and an impossible set for everyone else. the usa does it too. he mentioned the begin doctrine but not the yinon plan, lol, which calls for more war and death so that big strong countries like syria and iraq can be broken up into smaller countries. instead of making israel stronger, they want to make israels enemies weaker. israel is not the only country that could bomb iraq or syria... as the usa has proved many times over. no one wanted to bomb syrian nuclear sites or iraqi nuclear power plants. israel doesnt want muslim countries to use nuclear power, which would allow them to export more oil and spend the money on their economy or military. its not really about muslims getting nukes for israel. its about money and power.
3rd commenter: israel IS a rogue state. its not about hating israel, its about calling it what it is. the debate is on a jewish festival...but arent there a lot of jewish festivals? how is that hatred of jews anyway?
4th commenter: yep. they propose a bad plan for peace then blame muslims when they reject the bad deal.
5th COMMENTER: israel may be unfairly targeted by muslim nations, but even the usa agrees that israel has nukes, hasnt signed the NPT, settlements are illegal, etc. even israels allies agree that its a rogue state, but it does the illegal things the usa secretly wants to do, so israel doesnt get punished or sanctioned. israel targets children. israel violates the same laws it complains about other nations violating... like iran. no claim of bias can erase these numerous crimes.
6th COMMENTER: good point. we veto any actions in the UN against israel while we complain about what any russian or chines ally does. we shouldnt protect israel from itself anymore
3rd SPEAKER, ghada: a good speech that has a lot of passion for the suffering of the palestinian people. she makes a good point about israel being a "jewish democracy", which is clearly contradictory to the values of democracy. israel pays settlers to study the torah and have kids to change the demographic makeup of the region. the government is trying to make more jews while they kill more arabs...not very democratic. someone asked "didnt the palestinians leave voluntarily in 1948"? the answer is clearly NO. they were forced out by israeli terrorists. terror is violence or the threat of violence for political or religious reasons. the threat against palestinians was clearly there. they fled the same as jews fled the romans thousands of years ago, or how jews fled europe, or how jews fled arab nations...in fear for their lives. she also mentioned the blockade, an inhuman act that makes all the people of gaza suffer, especially the innocent children and civilians. even israeli politicians who support the blockade call gaza "an open air prison". in other words, a concentration camp. israel does arrest palestinians and hold them without charge or trial. israel tortures poeple, including children. all imports, even food, must go through the idf first. imagine if all of israels food had to go through the hands of its enemies! jews would be crying "holocaust"! when israel does it to non jews, their morality shifts. she gave a very good speech but i do wish she would mention the actual rules israel violates and also the instances of violence done against individual palestinians, because she probably knows of many.
4th SPEAKER, hannah: she seems very smart but not on track with this debate. she makes a good point, if you want to dismiss UN resolutions...then why not dismiss the one that recognizes israel? yes, violence and terror against jews in israel is terrible, but it is often in response to israeli violence. sitting on a bus in israel can be scary, but being anywhere in palestine is dangerous. she also misses the point that a rogue state can also have dissent within it. israel also arrest a lot of non jews who protest against it. sentencing a few politicians to prison does not erase the killings, terror, and lies israel has committed. people may criticize israels settlements, but israel builds them anyway. breakingthesilence.org.il is a great site, but a few soldiers speaking out hasnt stopped the violence by the idf. its a step in the right direction, but the bombshell revelations havent stopped israel from bombing and shelling civilians. she, as a jew, visits israel and doesnt get hassled by the idf...so? think of all the palestinians who cant visit their families! israel may allow dissent, but the dissent has no effect on israels actions. no one is saying israel cant defend itself, so thats a red herring. some muslims do call for the destruction of israels government, but israels flag is a call for the destruction of many nations, and so does the yinon plan. israel isnt north korea but it did spy on the usa to get info on its intel operatives in the middle east, some embedded within terror groups and foreign governments. israel sold these secrets to the USSR. jonathan pollard, the american who did the spying, was given israeli citizenship in prison and has since been released, though he was sentenced to life. thats fairly rogue. yes, israel has a few muslim MPs, but iran has a jewish MP... so does that mean you cant criticize iran? of course not! every country should be criticized for what it does wrong. also, assad did not "gas his own people". it was clearly the nato/israel/saudi backed terrorists known as isis who perpetrated the ghouta attack. israel did drop white phosphorus on civilians. israel did use raw sewage in its water cannons, spraying it on peoples houses and in protestors faces. they dont do that to jewish protestors, even when they turn violent. seems fairly cruel and unusual to me. israel is a threat to the world, they have nukes, ICBMs, and submarines. they have biological weapons that could accidentally get loose. she is wrong that israel is the only one criticized or called a rogue nation. imagine if all we did to iraq was call it names! or syria, libya, afghanistan, sudan, somalia, iran, etc. instead we invaded or committed acts of terror against them. usa killed 1 million iraqis! israel doesnt deserve that, but it does deserve insults and worse, like sanctions.
7th COMMENTER: makes a great point. the debate is about israel, not north korea or iran. also, being an innocent victim doesnt give you the right to create more innocent victims. that goes for israel, palestine, and anyone else. violence begets violence. if you want peace, make peace.
8th COMMENTER: yes, palestinian have rejected deals...almost as many as israel has rejected! BAZINGA! but thats not the point of the debate.
9th COMMENTER: exactly. this guy should have had a longer speech. the actions of any other country (ie rockets launched from gaza) should only be mentioned if they are the direct cause of israels actions (ie bombing hospitals).
10th COMMENTER: the policies of palestine are a different debate. its a fair one to have. there is plenty of legitimate criticisms of hamas or fatah/PA...or any other nation, including the usa and uk. its not a double standard, or if there is its against the palestinians. israel has nukes, no sanctions. israel has other WMDs, no invasion by usa. israel expands and annexes land through war, no sanctions. israel targets civilians, no sanctions. israel tortures people, no sanctions. palestine was wiped off the map and gazans are being driven into the sea..the usa gives israel more nukes, $4.5 billion in weapons welfare per year, vetoes in the UN, intelligence sharing, a large stockpile of american ammo stationed in israel, released jonathan pollard, etc. israel warned people they were going to bomb a city full of civilians... then did it. when a killer warns you they will kill you, we call that a threat. thats a crime. hamas warned israel that it would be fired on with rockets. did israel evacuate the southern towns? no. they told people to stay. israel also dropped leaflets with a map of gaza and it showed an evacuation corridor they said the idf wont bomb. once people were flooding the evacuation corridor set up by israel...israel bombed it. waited for ambulances, then bombed it again. hamas has fired rockets from civilian areas. thats a bad thing to do and its not a debate, so whats her point? israel has literally held palestinians in front of them while they do swat style raids of palestinians homes. they made a child lay on the hood of their jeep as they drove through gaza, so they wouldnt get shot. an israeli court found the idf guilty of using human shields over 1000 times! i bet she never even heard about that...or didnt care. i think the point the debater hosts are making is that we (usa, uk, nato, UN, etc) punish palestine, syria, iraq, iran, libya, etc for their actions, but we dont punish israel when it does the same thing or worse.
11th COMMENTER: the anti jewish, not antisemitic because arabs are semites too, sentiment in arab countries is the direct result of an influx of european jews who were coming into conflict with their neighbors. even the native jews were not getting along with the whiter european jews. before this, muslim countries were much more tolerant of jews than europeans. baghdad was 25% jewish before zionism. im not saying they were all great friends, but it wasnt the same hatred that came after israel was declared. it seems to be a part of israels recruiting strategy, make conflict and put international jews in danger so they will all come to israel and fight. the usa does similar things by supporting terrorists that later turn on us. or by invading countries and killing millions of people. makes a lot of people hate americans. that puts americans in danger, which convinces many good americans to support the vicious war machine. a sad cycle. also, the jews right to return to where their ancestors lived thousands of years ago doesnt trump the right of palestinians to return to their home from decades ago. their ancestors lived there before jews left egypt. check the old testament. philistine would even win that argument... i mean palestine.
12th COMMENTER: "2 wrongs dont make a right." that beats the arguments proposed by the pro israel side. their whole argument is that 2 wrongs is legal and/or justified.
13th COMMENTER: israel does more than defend itself. even when it is defense, israel carries it out in unjust and illegal manners. retaliation must be done in a proportionate way and avoid civilian casualties. israel does not. it goes wild and shameless. targets children and dehumanizes the civilians of palestine. also, israel often attacks first and violates ceasefires first. there is no legitimate defense argument to be had, which is why many pro israel people dont bring it up and cry "defense!" to deflect the conversation.
14th COMMENTER: i agree fully. the usa and uk are rogue states. some of the worst. i dont hate britons or americans for that, i am american. i also dont hate jews or israelis for the actions of israel. he makes a great point. i have spoken out about american imperialism for a long time.
15th COMMENTER: exactly. the debate is focused on a specific point in the world dialogue and many easily forget that. i still think israel loses the general argument and moral high ground even when the situation is seen in the context of its surroundings and history.
16th COMMENTER: i bet he has dual citizenship or is a citizen of israel, lol. an arab party is third? yes, behind two jewish parties and in front of many other jewish parties. arabs are 20% of the population but only have a couple arabs in parliament. even less arabs in high ranking cabinet, defense, or other positions. so according to the numbers, israel is a democracy for jews only...or at least mostly. iran has not invaded another nation for a long time. many nations have managed to live reasonably peacefully with their neighbors. israel is in a state of constant warfare and has mandatory military service. (hamas only takes volunteers) most nations do not live that way. they miht have conflict, which isnt right, but then the conflict ends. israels aggression never seems to end. when it cools down, israel attacks then cries victim. no one there said all the wars in the middle east are caused by israel. was this guy even listening? or did he just get a standard talking points text message from an israeli government official? israel does pay people to post online in social media forums like youtube. lol, this guy is ridiculous, what a clown. not sure what he meant by "so all of palestine is conquered...so i should go back to poland?" strange. jews did get most of the fertile land. they also got a lot of desert. then they took more land from other countries and continue to expand illegally. israel, a country with no actual borders. the world says its one place, but the israelis say its in another. lol, ridiculous
17th COMMENTER: a good point. palestinians should learn about gandhi. its not right to judge in a courtroom whether or not someone wants to hurt someone, only if they did. hypothetically, anything can happen. any of us are capable of violence, but what matters is whether or not we did violence. we can also see that the west bank has not profited from nonviolence (or at least mostly nonviolence). they werent bombed into rubble like parts of gaza, but they have lost a lot of land and live under israeli martial law. israel violates their human rights ona daily basis too. watch an australian documentary called "stone cold justice: zionists terrorize children". it shows some of the things west bankers put up with. idf regularly tear gasses elementary schools during recess, forcing kids into the hospital. sad stuff. im not sure which is better but they are both criminal. im not sure if there is ANYTHING palestine can do to stop israel. i think it takes good jews in israel and around the world, the UN, the usa, the uk, nato, and russia and china in the background.
18th COMMENTER: good point. norman finklestein is great and gives a good speech. letting in one person is not important if they block someone else.
19ty COMMENTER: i agree that they should do more research to give more precise examples of violations. refer to specific events in lebanon or gaza. reference the actual law that it violates. i know of some but there are so many that i dont even know about. some of the language of laws are almost unreadable to someone who isnt a lawyer anyway. norman finklestein does give some references.
20th COMMENTER: yep. saudi arabia does deserve some criticism as well. i dont like that the usa allows them to support terror all over the world. or the other crimes they commit. israel assassinates people all over the world, true. jfk? who knows. rfk? who knows. 9/11? maybe involved. czcams.com/video/3qFa9_JjlYc/video.html but who knows? mossads motto is "through deceit, do war".
5th SPEAKER, norman finklestein: hes great on this issue. ive seen a lot of his stuff. hes jewish, so the anti semitism accusation doesnt work on him, lol. his joke about north korea is hilariously apt. israel is much more of a threat than north korea. part of what makes israel so dangerous though is the usa and uk giving it so much leeway and protection...and its nukes. glad he brought up the numerous military operations and casualty numbers. israel killed the hamas leader who was negotiating a permanent ceasefire. israel doesnt want peace. 4 million cluster bombs dropped on civilian areas...after the peace deal is signed. i couldnt agree with dr finklestein more. he wants whats best for jews. peace. the leaders of israel consistently throw peace away, endangering jews worldwide, though nothing justifies hate crimes of course. israel can be safe, but not through warfare and killing.
6th SPEAKER, davis: this guy seems like a phony, a paid actor. he doesnt really have much to say thats relevant, oh well. the world is having the debate about syria, about russia, about any other topic. the topic about israels crimes are seldom spoken of on tv, thought the last war in gaza was covered more fairly than usual. people lose their jobs for speaking out against israel. the media and politicians are the ones that are obsessed with israel. they wont stop praising them and giving them weapons! people talk about pakistan. america does drone strikes in pakistan. they were sanctioned too. china is routinely slandered in the western media, so that subject is covered in the world conversation. this guy has no class. he even interrupts the moderators. hes just reading a script, lol. he also basically says that going against israel might make you "as unemployable as mr finklestein". israel has elections. so does iraq, lebanon, turkey, egypt, saudi arabia, kuwait, iran, jordan, etc. whether or you think those elections are fair and open or not is also up for debate, but they do have some democracy. so israel is not the only democracy in the middle east. i would also call into question the fairness of israels elections. women in saudi arabia have nothing to do with israels killings and crimes. also, remember all those gay people who got stabbed by the orhtodox jew...who went to prison, got out, and stabbed more israelis at the same gay pride festival? why didnt the israeli government treat him like all the palestinians who do violence? they get shot. one man shouted "Allah hu akbar" in a bathroom near the western wall. cops shot him dead. turns out he was jewish. all he did was yell "God is great!". wasnt even a muslim. not sure why he yelled it. orthodox guy stabs people and the police find a way to take him in peacefully and give him a trial. i dont think they even demolished his house. palestinian kids can get 20 years for throwing stones. apartheid. one arab judge sentencing a jew doesnt balance out the numerous arrests and false imprisonments of palestinians and arabs by jewish police and judges. i dont think 160 kids really died digging tunnels. i also dont think those tunnels would have been used to kill israeli children. they would probably be smuggling tunnels to get food, weapons, or anything else through the israeli blockade. which often blocks medical items as well. when israel invaded gaza, they used the tunnels to attack the idf. also, israeli children also go to summer camps hosted by the idf, where they learn to kill palestinians. israeli kids know they will have to serve in the military someday and be forced by law to kill some innocent children. never seen the photo of the israeli kids writing messages on bombs bound for lebanon? israeli is not defending itself most of the time. it often attacks first. he does admit that israel must do "whatever it must to succeed"... including rogue behaviors? israel treats some al nusra and isis fighters in the north. israels own actions make it a pariah state. it is israel who makes a mockery of human rights and justice. this guy seems like a real carnival barker. like a shady used car salesman, lol.
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i will keep updating this post with links to what i have stated. if anyone has any questions for me or replies, i would be glad to hear them. even if you disagree, please be polite. no need for anymore hatred in the world. thank you for reading.
dmesh
did not ur jihad violate human rights in ur 632 takeover of jewish and christian lands dmesh,or are u seam to think u are superior to all life forms,many crusaders lost their lives cause of islamic aggression that came,i guess u are mine enemy,so be it
Thanks for the excellent recap!
@@makedonistoi You are the least intelligent of the rogue state's friends.
@@juandom6432 the rogue states are the evil hate people that are surround israel
Thank you for submitting your doctoral dissertation through youtube.
From Austin Tx. This a great debate.I believe that you should have more,
+Reese Goldess We do! Check out our channel and be sure to subscribe so you don't miss anything; we've got a great series of talks and debates coming this term!
+The Cambridge Union can I attend ?
They also openly violate the Balfour declaration '...that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine....'
Watched the entire video because of the comments about the last speaker he didn't disappoint 😂😂
@1:18:14 bloke with the white shirt is having his Bambi moment. Cheer up buddy. Truth is harsh but good news is that we can do something about it.
I think they get payed to act in every place that Mr. Norman is. They follow him like mad dogs. For example watch video in which Mr. Finkelsten accuse one girl of shedding crocodile tears... It's available on CZcams.
I have no problem with Iran from a UK Christian 👍
So why isnt anything anything being done about it! Why is israel allowed to break the law, but normal people cant! Im going to make this go viral
WHAT GOES ROUND COMES AROUND AND THAT DAY WILL SHALL COME
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AND WOE TO THE OPPRESSOR ON THAT DAY!!!
The British talk about Israel lol, have they forgot their own history?
@IIWII The US is not innocent either, my point is that hypocrites shouldn’t talk so highly.
Once Finkelstein got up to speak, it was game over! What a speech! What a delivery!
Curious: what were the results of the proposition, in percentage terms or count? Thank you.
RESULT: Ayes 51%, Noes 19%, Abstentions 30%. Representing a 7% swing to the proposition from the pre-debate vote to the post-debate vote.
Rules are not for Zionists... They are the chosen ones.
God bless educators, and the truth
Now this was not a waste of time. Praise to this house.
Why is the audio messed up? Is CZcams censoring this or is your video just shotty?
Does a "point in abstention" mean the same as a point in support of the motion? Or am I not hearing this correctly?
The last guy reminds me of one of the Beagle Boys from the Scrooge McDucks comics LOL
More seriously, I thought this was a great debate and I wish we could have such open discussions on these topics in french universities too. Thanks for sharing this online!
That last guy was an embarrassment
Joe Ruf That's zionism... He was mellow if I compare it with the ones I talk to
No it isn't. Zionism doesn't necessitate acting like that. He reminded me of a fat funny guy actor. But man was he an idiot to say that about Finkelstein.
Joe Ruf They do the same with Mads Gilbert :) They truly are helping us when they're pressured :D
Thank you for posting the final vote!
It looks like someone has distorted the audio so we can't understand what's being said. Coincidence? Lol. Is there another link?
Excellent presentation. We need more organizations with similar fortitude.
"What right does one people have to a second people land that belongs to a third people" -- George Galloway. Palestine will be free.
islamonazi hatred at its finest,all 3 abrahamic books say this land is jewish people,palestine arabs occupied israel since 632AD jihad,i guess u are a jihadi
@@makedonistoi you mean the scriptures (fairytales) of all 3 deluded Abrahamic cults
@@xxchippendalexx -ask Mouthpiece why his people own 99 %of all the land,but cant stand 1%belonging to israel,see wot he says
@@makedonistoi look at the map dude Israel own more than 1% of the land
In fact they have de facto control over the whole land that’s why they are called an occupying force
I also suggest you go back to school, I think you missed the classes when they were teaching percentages
@@makedonistoi also note I respect you as much as I respect any of the other believers in the Abrahamic fairytales. Which means I don’t respect you.
Anyone who presides over a book with talking snakes and hominids made out of clay and a mans rib over a book like the origins of species needs to be put in a straight jacket
CZcams has blocked the sound for me on this video. Is there any other way of watching this video.
Has the audio to this video been altered? Used to sounds fine but is now unlistenable
IMPORTANT:
The chairs of the moderators look old and unconfortable
The British have no moral right to criticize any country.
Considering their human rights records.
Extremely educational debate. Bravo.
Someone tell Hannah Weisfeld rogue nation is not the same as a totalitarian regime; just because dictatorships pose a constant threat of going rogue at any time doesn't mean that all rogue nations have to first be totalitarian. A democracy can go rogue if all elected governments have the same policies.
Norman Finkelstein is just too good. Sit down and be dominated.
Please fix the sound :/
***** Oh! I'll try that out. Thanks! :)
Davis Lewin was AMAZING. Well said sir!
Norman killed it
Norman Finklestien is so educated on the middle east I find him my one stop shop for anything I need to know. The guy needs to be turned into a ambassador of peace for the region, his pieces on the the jewish people being the best film writers in the world today, let movies keep serving fresh for each and every generation , I think they call it spin in politics
"...only Jewish state in the world... ...only democracy in the region..."
Shouldn't these be contradictory to each other in modern concepts of democracy?
Som Nath Adhikari
Israel is the only democracy in the region just like Apartheid South Africa was the only democracy in the region. It really doesn't mean a thing.
Som Nath Adhikari No they are not. Israel is the only true democracy in the region. Japan is a true democracy, and you can't get Japanese citizenship unless you're an ethnic Japanese or born in Japan either (but it's almost impossible). And let's not forget that all Arab countries are ethnic-based. Can you become a Syrian, or Egyptian citizen if you're not an Arab? No. Can you become an Israeli citizen and not be a Jew? yes if born in Israel, or to an Israeli citizen. And forget about minority rights in Arab countries, they are either not recognized or second class citizens. And even Arabs have more rights in Israel than they have in any Arab countries.And how many women do you see in Parliaments in Arab countries? You can count their number on two hands. In Israel there are more Arab women in Parliament than in all the other Arab countries (most of them real apartheid countries, where slavery is openly practised without anyone saying a word, like Qatar, for example). So any idiotic, parasitic, racist jew-hater who dares calling Israel an apartheid country, please do mankind a favor and next time wash your mouth before opening it again.
SpacePirate Well, Judaism is a religion, not a tribe/ethnicity.
Som Nath Adhikari
Even Jewish scholars cannot agree on what "Jewish" actually means. As for "SpacePirate", he repeats the same Hasbara rubbish:
1. Point fingers at Arabs: "Why don't you look at the Arabs. Can't Israel abuse Palestinians in peace!"
2. Accuse Palestinians and Arabs of what Israel does a lot more: racism, apartheid, constant violence and discrimination
3. Lie. Just straight up lie.
4. Finally, just name-call.
5. Never ever provide any evidence or links to anything.
SpacePirate a
the woman speaking at 50:51 speaks very well, and I agree with the work she is doing to expose corruption and injustice. However, she claims that Israeli is not a rogue state, due to the fairness and transparency to punish corruption, this is true BUT ONLY FOR JEWISH PEOPLE, only for those who have submitted to the Israeli government as a voter and tax payer. It might not appear to be a rogue state to those people, due to the illusions of choice and freedom they are presented to keep them silent. Internationally it is a rogue state 100% internally it might not appear to be for those who submit to the Israeli regime.
Thank you for this video which I enjoyed for the most part. The final speaker surprised me, however. Presumably Mr Lewin must have form, and was invited at least in part for his comedic potential. Given his evident contempt for the proposers of the motion, the Chair and the accepted norms of civilised debate, to say nothing of his general demeanour, his performance lowered the tone to an unacceptable degree and it's my feeling that the invitation was a mistake. That the motion generated more heat than light is only to be expected, but for the proceedings to denerate into ad hominem attacks, shouting and catcalls on account of one uncouth speaker was a disappointment.
GenWivern2 i don't care...
he said it was another debate so he probably was tired of the same shit all over again...and everyone was saying whatever it wanted...norman turn the "debate" into a trial...the 2nd proponent speaker turn it into a melodrama hiding half or the history...the comments from the audience were pathetic or superficial or false...
If there are any Jews that back Israel here they should leave England they are not wanted here.They were dispatched in 1290 by king Edward for 400 yrs.
don't want Jews and now you get Muslims. lol
Listen to it while you are wearing your headphones
I'm in the US and I can't hear the audio in this video. I really can't hear the voice. is this intentional or ....
.... I can hear it clearly, put your volume up mi amigo
This video has no sound would you repost it please
Why providing a platform for pseudo intellectual hooligans from The Henry Jackson Society (a disinformation workshop) in general,and Davis "psychopathic" Lewin in particular?.
His appearance was an embarrassment,a desecration for what the Cambridge Union Society represents and stands for.
Tara Jordan I have yet to find any good quality defence of Israel. if you look for defence arguments, they almost always descend to:
1) Yeah but look at the Arabs, can't you let Israel abuse the Palestinians in peace??
2) Yeah but Israel is special and the rules do not apply because it says it's Jewish [Nevermind that Israel doesn't represent all Jews, or even most Jews]
3) God gave the land to us
After that it's just name-calling and lies. Like calling Norman Finkelstein a "self hating Jew" (whatever that's supposed to mean) or a Holocaust denier (the man almost always talks about his parents in the concentration camps). There is no good defence of Israel.
the81kid Probably because it is extremely difficult to justify the unacceptable.
This process require an astonishing level of moral leprosy and intellectual dishonesty.Israeli apologists are only found at the bottom of the barrel.No wonder,they have to rely on such ridiculous rhetorical arguments.
Tara Jordan perhaps lewin was trying to steal finkelstein's thunder, if in negative way.
Tara Jordan The Henry Jackson Society is great, what are you on about? It's a bipartisan think-tank which promotes human rights. Since you seem to know so much about them can you name me one of their 8 current principles do you disagree with?
the81kid Israel does represent most Jews in a sense that like 98% percent of Jews are Zionist in some way or another. If you haven't found one good quality defence of Israel, not all actions then you have been listening to the wrong people.
The 2nd speaker in opposition of the motion did a better job arguing for the motion than she did against it
Because you have to be truly delusional to deny the truth, she was put on the opposition merely because of her involvement in the Jewish community
I'd like to know what the Cambridge Unions debates were. I see the Cambridge Union has been around since 1815. Did the Cambridge Union debate if Germany was a rogue state before WWII?
The mind searches for a reason why someone might have such a well-rounded lack of impulse control.
Omg LOL 😂 God be with the president of the union major props and commends for her on managing such a heated debate like this one!😂 She must’ve thought what the hell did I get myself into when chaos broke in the room after the last speaker attacked the other speaker and the audience LOL 😂
My favourite question was right around 34 min into the debate: Did the Palestinians not leave voluntarily in 1948? HAhahah Seriously?????
The last speaker is embarrassing himself in public...
for those having issues with the audio, watch it on pc
I think the best thing to ask is. Why is israel in the west bank? when there was an agreement in 1967 to have two separate areas 1 for israel, 1 for palestine.
What's wrong with the sound???? 🤬🤬🤬
At the end when the audience was getting out of hand the head of the union was like ok my job here is done I’m outta here before this gets even crazier and more chaotic lol 😂
Why is the audio not working for this video
David breathes in and out more than he speaks words 😂
Better to save your own health than the rogue state.
The last speaker sank any case they might have had against the motion.
Agreed, it was an embarrassment and essentially made a mockery of the opposition's case. Surprised that Cambridge would sully what was an otherwise pristine set of arguments with his nonsense, nonetheless I remain adamantly in opposition of the notion of Israel being a rogue state.
How do you get justice from criminals ??!! since when anybody asks for mercy from criminals,occupiers?
that's what happens when you bring a scholar like Norman Finkelstein.true academic..
the audio has been sabotaged
1:23:58 as soon as you see that face you know whose side it will take
sorry if I hurt your 'sensibilities'
The guy had the nerve to whine about its neighbor not recognizing Israel after taking over the land with guns? Unbelievable ! This world is sick.
YOU'RE SOOOO RIGHT!- This world is sick! - It needs repentance and Jesus in its heart and a personal relationship with its creator yashua.
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The video begins at 1:12:00 and ends at 1:23:20.
(A) What's the difference between ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and ethnic cleansing in Palestine?
(B) The Israelis are more powerful than the Serbs - so they get away with it.
In that respect, International Law is like the law in the US - whereby the poor murderers get the death penalty - whilst the rich and powerful murderers go free.
the difference is ethnic cleansing in Bosnia saw the population of those persecuted decline ,while the so called persecuted in Palestine saw their populating increase , so make up your mind what your definition of ethnic cleansing or are you just that stupid ?? look at the DATA before making infantile statements
@@tboss6689 ETHNIC CLEANSING - the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to a particular ethnic group.
Definition of Ethnic Cleansing, Encyclopedia Britannica
@@JAMAICADOCK Exactly as you descried it . so once again if the Palestinians have been Ethnically cleansed ,then how did their population grown in Israel from 600,000 in 1967 to 1.6 million today ??
During the 1948 war when 7 Arab countries attacked Israel ,granted many Palestinians did leave fearing war , yet the Data is still there that shows their increase in population , and another data shows not only increase in population but also longevity of live has increased for the Palestinians in Israel . Thanks for strengthening my argument !!
@@tboss6689 Ethnic cleansing is not genocide. Ethnic Cleansing is the forcible removal of a population.
The fact the population of the Palestinians has grown is irrelevant. Populations under duress often grow - i.e. the Baby Boom following WW2. Or the fact that the poorest countries are the most populated. Plus increasing the population becomes a strategy of resistance.
There are more Native Americans today than 100 years ago, there are more Aborigines than a century ago, but that doesn't mean that the Native Americans and Aborigines were not victims of ethnic cleansing, or what used to be called resettlement
Resettled to the worst land with the worst water supply.
@@JAMAICADOCK if the Palestinians were forcibly removed from Israel (ethnic cleansing ) then explain how their population keeps growing in Israel ?? what dont you understand ? if Native American were forcibly removed from America then their population would decrease in America ,(ethnic cleansing)
I am not speaking about the Palestinian population around the world increasing ,just about their population in one area ,Israel, which is increasing !!! do you understand ?
Support for Israel is not "politically correct", it's the opposite
They killed the sound, smart!
Can student unions debate the Israeli Palestinian conflict publicly without being accused of anti-semitism now?
so... are we going to ignore the fact that the 2000 killed in gaza and most of them were civilians is just a lie told by hamas?
1:12:00 NORMAN FINKELSTEIN...
Davis actually posted part of this video himself, calling Finkelstein "odious" in the title. He of course got a 20% positive rating and a good pummeling in the comments - good on him for not disabling them, I suppose.
wow, what happened to the audio?
Last guy talking advantage of his last turn to fight with Norman!!Lol
that GUY´S name is VIVIAN!?
LMAO....
one of my middle names is vivion
there you see, how powerfull an O instead of an A can be. lol:-)
+Scott Awaywithit I named after devs son
+sup3rfunk No he ate a girl called VIVIAN LOL
israel has also never agreed to stopping settlement building...just temporary freezes
Actions speak louder than words and Israel's pretentious justice system rather victimizes truth.