1997 POLARIS GREASY TRIPLE XCR VS 2022 POLARIS CLEAN TWIN XCR! 25 YEARS OF TECHNOLOGY COLLIDE!
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2022
- There really is no comparison from the 97 to the 22 BUT the 97 sure is cool. Its amazing how far sleds have come in 25 years though. I must say I am happy we have what we have these days!!
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Boy I remember getting beat to death on them sleds back in the day we sure did have fun lol. My neighbors all still ride them older polaris.
Oh I could only imagine!!
The fact that the 800 xcr is still compared against today's machines is a testament to the old Fuji. To have a stock machine with some Port work but no aftermarket pipes or carburetors or anything like that hitting 103 or even faster mph in 660' and doing 115 mph in the thousand feet and 132 miles an hour on top end there are numbers that a stock boost without a tune is never going to put down
Damm right brother that's why I won't get a new sled I'm here for sheer speed and power
My first snowmobile experience was on one of those 97 xcr's. it was such a blast driving on lakes where everything is flat, but the moment you threw it in corners or god forbid loose snow, prepare to suffer.. Riding that thing for 6 hours or more your throttle thumb would actually grow a six pack holding those 3 carb slides open. compared to my 2016 pro rmk that xcr is a literal brick. only benefit is the triple sound :')
I have a 2000 model year 800 xcr the time it was a luxury Trail machine that happened to be a muscle sled. Compared to everything else in that day extremely quiet very easy to start good on gas and the cockpit was very smooth.
In a drag race I will put it up against that new 800 xcr on Ice any day of the week
Back then, the sleds were very heavy they were geared very high, and they were clutch very soft. Upgrade to an aftermarket track, drop the gearing almost a two-to-one ratio, and get real aggressive on the secondary
Upgrade to the rack carbs from the 800 xcr and upgrade to some vforce Reeds drop the heads .010" you would gain quite a bit of crispness in the throttle response and easier pull on your thumb
The intake ports were already very aggressive on that engine, but the exhaust could use some work, I usually spend 2-3 hrs on the bottom of the cylinder and top of case.
On the 600 I would also take a 1/2 out of the center of the pipes for a small bump in rpms, and a .060" bushing in the stinger, 8500 would be a nice rpm after Port work and pipe work,
All Rider forward courtesy of Bombardier, Valcourt Quebec
Sold a friend a 98 600 special , last year , 13 mpg , same motor , longer stroke , XCR would have gotten Fox shocks , nice flat groom trail sled , Tuesday & Thursday nights by me , leave late at night , and always meet the groomer , doing the 2nd side , trail missle FUN , no oncoming traffic , deer are bedded down , no studs ! Better slides !
You got the nice head cover too
Stiffer the second # on the secondary clutch , longer it stays geared lower in the fluffy stuff , heavy wet snow
I’ve got a 98’ XLT 600 LTD with EXTRA 12. Rebuilding the suspention as we speak
no way!!! Too funny!
I love the XCR I had a 95 n 96
Love that! Cant wait to put a few miles on this thing!
199 xc 400 first year of fox shocks. I had both of them race sleds.
1991
i bought and still have a 2000xcr 800 triple for 7700 plus tax 155hp stock still faster on the lake than a 22 850, i know full diclosure it has a htg 180 kit. the mature sledders know what that means
old sleds were built to go fast in a straight line! Small tracks Great attack angles. etc etc but no one wants to spend a day on them!
A@@JESSEJAMES322we're all day long out on the lake with them and have a hell of a good time racing each other..... not everybody wants to trail ride.... There's something for everyone's
Maybe next winter you can line up the two out on the lake.
Polaris had fuel injection in 1992 on the RXL. 05 was all models.
Out of box back then like he said they were so fat on jetting and poorly setup
Starting line used to have a line of skis called easy steer and they were a good upgrade, especially when them old sleds had steel skis
The other problem is you had a million aftermarket companies selling products to people who shouldn't be wrenching. Then you end up with pistons burnt up
had a 99 indy 500. solo ride 20 years back, was nearly lost, trunk bag fell off, getting dark, in wester maine, on that 500. low on fuel.. man i remember babying that sled hoping i was headed in the right direction.. that girl got me home and did a good job with what little fuel she had that night.
Those are the ones youll remember forever!
Jess used to have 2000 XCR 800 this was one fast sled probably faster than my 2022 XCR. It would beat artic cat 1000 any time on the lake. Christopher Ottawa Canada
That’s on my bucket list of sleds right get!
Awesome Video Jesse! Love seeing how far the sleds have come! 👍🏼❄️
Its amazing right? Glad we have what we have these days
XLT 600 Special was single pipe , probably 2 mm smaller carb , model is everything , give me the Big Guy , SLP Twins & someday , a performance Edition , no Queff , turbo
Buddy rode1600 plus miles last year , sold it to him with 10,500 plus miles on it , still screaming , no recalls
I had an 89 Indy 650 that I rode for 7 years straight.. no wonder my back is so fucked🤣🤣🤣
i can understand that!!
Fox shocks on 1990 Indy 500 sp.
Had a 98 Storm 800 triple. It was a beast on lakes. New XCR 650 twin out pulls and out handles it. Not even a close call. The old Indy’s were sit in w good wind protection
I’d love a big CC older chassis like that!!
Man I honestly have raced a mid 2010s ski doo 600 and I had my ultra 680 wedge chassis, it takes off from my ultra but 400 feet in I take off, and I go round the corners quicker with the low center for gravity
I have a 1996 600 XCR SP that I've recently updated. Had the water pump rebuilt and cleaned up the pipes. It's fun to compare the old and new technology. This winter, I'll get a picture of it with the new XC. BTW, you are missing the fiberglass and aluminum wraps on the pipes. That stuff is a bit hard to come by, unless you can find them at a swap meet. Great video. Keep the old stuff running!
i know i keep wanting to look for the wraps then never do. I have to do something though or its all gonna melt!
@@JESSEJAMES322 Hey Jesse. When you get to the point of fixing the seat, look up Scottie's Sled Shed. He has a pattern for this sled, and a pretty good price.
Thank you i will look into that!
The xlt came with the single pipe , so did the triumph that they only made one year.. Xcr and storm were all triple triples..
Excited to see the triple on a video again! Will be fun to watch it be built and tinkered on
Next few videos are about It! It’s fun to learn the old stuff. I’m up with the new but not the old!
Currently I’ve got a 97 Indy trail with that same handle bar set up with functioning flip up reverse. Fun sled with a great little engine. I’ve had multiple XCR 600s but always find myself back on an Indy trail. Also had a 91 RXL 650 EFI as well. Love the old sleds and I’m sure the new sleds are great just won’t be in my budget for a long time.
the new ones are absolutely amazing comapred to the old iron but some guys just love the old iron more and i can appreciate that. i needed to have one in my fleet so i cant wait to get some miles on it
This was awesome video. Nice to see the old ones compared to the new ones.
Thank you! We thought everyone would enjoy them together
SLYDOG Baby ! SLYDOG !
Thanks for the walk down memory lane. My first sled was 1984 Indy Trail 440. Google it I just did it was an awesome looking sled for it’s time, and handled in my mind at the time like it was on a rail lol. And now own a 2022 XCR 850 same color scheme as the one in this video. I road fast on the trails then and I do now only with less effort which is a blessing 😅. Great comparison video for me, really enjoyed it thanks!
Thanks for folllowing along. Sure this brought back a ton of old memories for alot of peopel!
Had a 95 triple and although nothing like the new sleds as far as handling, it did have great top speed.
Top end was way better back in the day but definitely couldn’t ride them like the new ones
I’ve got a 92 xcr 440. First year of the xcr. Would have been cool to compare that to the matryx xcr
If I had one I would’ve compared them!!
As an owner of a 95 xcr 98 storm 98 srx 02 t-cat and a 94 vmax, love old 90's muscle sleds
They stay strong in everyones hearts thats fo rsure!
Had a 95 XCR 600 that thing beat the hell out of me
I bet. I cant wait to get this on snow and see what it’s like
I have one I fully rebuilt and I absolutely love ditch banging that sled
Bought a used 95 Indy 500 efi in 2005- I thought I was on a modern cloud couch sled compared to my first 82 Kawasaki LTD 440 (way too fast for the chassis). Awesome memories made on them old sleds! Both were bullet proof reliable! Long live the wedge!
love that! this seems to have brought back some memories for alot!
liquid cooled brake was offered as a add on in 86, i put that on my 400 indy to be different, it was standard on the 600's
such a cool concept!
I've been watching a few of your videos lately. Good stuff. I probably already mentioned this in your comments but my last ride 20 years ago I broke my arm on a 99 xc sp. Haven't rode since. I'm getting the itch now. My mind will be blown if I go sit on and ride a 22 xc Edit: I still have that sled lol. We fixed it. Wanna buy it? 😁
yes your mind will absolutely be blown if you sit on a new sled!!
I still play around with the Wedge Polaris, usually do 1 or 2 trail rides a year with my Axys Switchback 144 and my '97 XLT or '97 RLX, it is shocking the difference. The '97s are still fun and are great on smooth trails and wow, they feel like you are sitting on the ground compared to the Axys.
even when i sit on it in the shop thats how i feel. SO crazy the difference over the years. excited to get this thing on some snow this year
I had a 98 xcr 600 just like that one in the video. It was a great Sled in its time. It was fast, but probably the most scary Sled I've ever owned. They were so heavy in the front end, that when came hard into a corner, they were almost impossible to turn. There were more than a few times I didn't think I was going to make a turn because of how heavy the front was. Add aggressive carbines on skis and fully studded track, and they only wanted to go straight. You will have arms of steel after riding that sled for a while.
Thats what i have been told!!! I ride my modern day sleds witja TON of ski pressure so im interested to compare!!
I bought 89 Indy 650 brand new in 89, What ever happened to the liquid cooled caliper? I think my axys and matryx chasis could use that set up 😂😂
you got that righT!!!!
the dash came from subaru, hand & thumbwarmers worked great, but for the sled to perform, it needed clutch work
no way did it really? Now that is a cool fact!! I know we definitely need some clutch work! asking around as we speak!
i just wish now since we have finally gotten to the point of some really good machines that the new riders that are irritating the landowners would just show an ounce of respect and consideration
we've come all this way and now the landowner relationships are falling apart
cant fix stupid unfortunately
Had a 98 with dgs on it few good hillbilly runs on that sucker 😆👍
Love It!!
My 1998 XLT 600 touring , different head cap , not as nice , also had a 1995 Storm , smooth triple , ultimate Speed , I liked it !
Hey , Jesse was wondering if Bruce could order those new 16Lb springs yet for the pro CC, Didn't know I'd we could pre order them yet, thanks hope knox and Nash are doing well 👍👍
as of now we havent seen a part # still unfortunately. Also I have not seen NAsh or Knox in about 3 months also. Lost them in the divorce :(
@@JESSEJAMES322 I thought you squared that away last year 😂💩that sucks anyway good luck to you brother 👍👍
we did but it fell apart again unfortunately and i yet again lost them. its been rough
Had a spring order 95 triple . Was afraid of going for the 10 inch rear end because I thought I would loss top end speed. lol Also got the plate with my name on it.
Love that!! The were built for top end!!
Those older sleds required more rider input.
I had a 96 xcr that at the time was a sweet ride compared to the even older sleds.
im sure in its time it was one of the best. Just hard to compare to the sleds these days
Triumph was triple single pipe I think
not too sure
Triumph was the XLT rebadged and put on the Evolved chassis. The XC600/XLT was a monoblock instead of the individual jugs on the XCR/Storms.
The Xtra 10 chassis was loose and fast through the corners until the rider gave out.
And both you failed to mention the the one trait where the old Polaris triples beat the shit out of the new 650 and 850: The exhaust note. Truly a unique sound. I always thought the 3-1 header of the monoblock (XLT/XC) sounded more tuned than the XCR/Storm but they were both nice. As Snowmobiler Magazine said back in the day, it comes complete with exhaust by Mozart.
Don’t forget all your different jets , for elevation & temperature changes , you other old Guys , they may ride new , but in the trees and twisties , they follow me , barely
Nice video. How much does each machine weigh? My 96 v-max with elec. start and reverse weighed 605 lbs if I remember right. The front was soooo heavy and the back a bit too light, I tried to sit as far back as I could. It could`ve used larger lugs on the track. You should try and find a vintage, late 60s early 70s, snowmobile to ride this next season, then the 97, then the 2023. I`m sure you will LYAO! LOL Take care
i do not know the weight but i know that 97 is HEAVY just from moving it around. eventually id like to have a ton of them!
One ton would be about three sleds.
;-))
Arctic cat had the first trailing arm suspension a year before Polaris in a production sled, wasnt very good but they had it. Arctic cat was the first to offer production fox shocks. Arctic cat was the first with A arm front suspension.
The first TXL 340 rode and handled really good and would scoot right along for a little 340 .
I would take that 96 xcr over the new bug style xcr any day.
Arctic had the most innovation through the years of the remaining 4ish ( yamaha is more of an engine supplier now) manufactures followed by Polaris and then Yamaha, not too sure if ski doo had any firsts other than a rubber track, rotory valve, exhaust valve and then the rev platform.
arcticcat was top of the chain for a while. hopefully these new sleds bring some innovation because theyve been missing it for a while. but thank for you all that knowledge!!
Race it against a xcr 440
if i had one i would but i dont have one!
1988 400 the Best 👌
thats way back!
And the side panels all suck peace by peace
they are beyond easy to deal with. no tools required. try taking a skidoo hood off. then you can say they suck. but the polaris's are easy!
FUJI
Gotta disagree with you on blowing belts. Been driving Polaris since 1974, only belt I ever blew was when I broke a motor mount on my 78 250 colt.
we preach how great the belts are on the poalris's especially the new ones. I have tried to explode them and i cant.