Bizarre "Huttl" Trumpet Review
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2017
- I was recently sent this odd old Huttl branded trumpet. Here's a review of it.
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I've heard this style of winding called a peashooter trumpet, popular in the 1930's and 1940's.
Steve Hawley Yeah I think you're right. Peashooters have a small bore size to produce a brighter tone. They were popular during the swing era when jazz bands wanted a brighter trumpet sound. I know someone that used a peashooter for college marching band. He said it helped make the high range easier.
Oh yeah I have a peashooter made by buescher that I bought for $30 at an antique store and the difference in sound makes it a good instrument that I like to play fun sometimes just to change things up every now and then
Yes, this is a peashooter trumpet, now well out of fashion; it is small bore and should assist the high register.
If you google Huttl now, you’re the top response haha
I've got a Hüttl (pronounced "who-tl", not "hut-tl") Alto horn (bell front) that can play in Eb or F. It is fun to play. This trumpet is a "peashooter" style that is similar to my Abbott, which is a Bohland Und Fuchs stencil built between 1920-1937. They were most likely built in Kraslice, Czechoslovakia , which was Grazlitz , Bohemia in the Austrian empire.
I got a line 700, it says western germany. rolled over horn, presumably like yours 'alto horn' if its what you meant. 5 digit serial #. I'm trying to figure out the date, my professional orchestra horn-player (specialized in french horn, later became conductor) grand-pa bought it in early-mid 70's, probably used.
Great insight on the tone issue. I just purchased a Huttl Trumpet on Goodwill auction. The German craftsman, a collection of names including Huttl, were pushed out of Kraslice, Czechoslovakia post WW2. If you want the details search WIKI for Amati instruments and just read between the lines about how Amati was formed. During the war they would have retooled for the war effort. After the war the Germans walked home to what was left of Germany and the Slovic Czec nationalized their equipment would have stayed behind. Huttl and the other failed German musical craftsman appears to be the inspiration for Amati, although Hutl is not specifically named in the Wiki references. Amati appears to have formed as a collective and was quickly nationalized in 1948 by communism. They emerged again after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe, a private company by 1993. My trumpet say made in West Germany, but its valve casing markings are unique and clearly identical to 1960 - 1980 horns from Amati. It was reportedly assembled in Canada in the mid 1980's. My view, German master looses his equipment but is later contacted by his Slovic friends for help. He's importing parts to West Germany long before Amati is a private company. Germany's labor cost is too high and exports to Canada for assembly. Truly a multi national horn and a mess to backtrack which is why no one has info. Huttl's father probably knew Mr Conn, they both go back to the 1880's.
Y'know what else is bizarre? Chopin on a trumpet 😂
Huttl manufactured brass instruments in Fredericton New Brunswick, Canada, in the 1970s or 80’s. My father was hired to test them. He had recently retired from the military when the factory opened. He was a professional musician with a career spanning the Coldstream guards in England to the Canadian military band. He was happy to find a part time job that allowed him to stay engaged with music, but complained that the instruments were awful and he rejected many. During that decade the provincial
Premier attracted a number of manufacturing firms with promises to help the economy of the poor province, but sadly they failed. The Briklin car was another of these ventures. The sports car had a much higher profile and there is lots of info about it on the web
I was to mesmerized from you shirt that I could not 'snap out of it' when you actually started talking.
The holes in the valves being so close together probably gives it that rotary sound.
that's what I was thinking but I also was thinking the long valve length
Oh my goodness to did chopin’s second nocturne thank you I’ve been looking all over for a brass version of nocturne two
I have a Cavalier "peashooter" up for bid on ebay. Going to make it part of my collection if it doesn't sell. Trent has a way of making the worse instruments sound good. He's a talented musician.
That horn with its tight wrap is like the Holton Revelution and the Martin Troubador. And its lack of a bell bead like the Conn 48a vocabell. Its sounds like my 110 year-old Ralph Kenny Conn: it is a high trumpet, and had the same leaky tuning slide. Until I replaced the inner part of the slide.
I suspect if you did take a lathe to the valves, they'd probably run significantly worse - that long length kinda fights against side-loading.
That leaking on the main slide is going to significantly harm the way the instrument plays - get some thick grease on there and it'll play significantly better.
I have a Huttl Eb tuba. It is a smaller bore size. I use a denis wick mouthpiece that has a larger cup but the shank is the size of a bass trombone I sometimes use it on my Yamaha when playing tuba parts. I like it. Mine does not leak and it does have a bead around the bell, but I have not come across a lot of small European bore tubas as my tuba instructor in college called it. I have not learned that much about it. I am happy that denis wick makes a mouthpiece in the size. When the lacquer came off the first mouthpiece that came with the horn I could not find a place to plate the old one, or makes a new one till I learned about the denis wicks. I do not play it much anymore because it is so small and hard to hold, but my dad got it for me in 5th grade from a flea market because I wanted to play tuba so bad and my school did not have one small enough.
Is the middle finger offensive in NZ, or do you use the backward peace sign? Or both?
iscrewy Middle finger is Norma. But 2 fingers is used by older people, usually
2 fingers was probably seen as more offensive pre-70s
my comment is irrelevant btw
@@isetta4083 My old mum (Brit emigrant) used two fingers - index and middle - for that gesture, not one.
Could you do a review on the Lynnzhorn?
the rotary sound is because of the closer valve holes and the extra piston length which he talked about cutting off
I own a Huttl trumpet. Mine Is not a condensed "pea-shooter" style trumpet, but rather, a full size Bb. It has an extremely large bell (large enough to lose standard corked mutes), and plays mostly in tune; the one exeption being the E above treble C.
My first valve trombone was a Huttl that I bought at a local used instrument store in Ottawa, Canada, and it was without a doubt the stuffiest instrument I have ever played. Perhaps 1/5th the volume/breadth of sound of a decent trombone. Even among valve trombones which, though I do not have any prejudice against, are known to have this sort of issue (I have a good quality Yamaha valve trombone now which is quite a decent instrument, despite its issues and the hatred it may receive) It was truly horrid.
Anyhow, interesting to see one of these guys show up across the world. Cheers from Canada.
Hi, I just acquired a HUTTL S700 line TRUMPET, made in Western Germany.
It is Silver and in beautiful shape not a dent on it. I have yet to get it but the pictures look like this is a standard size trumpet and not like the small pea shooter style as this brass one is. Just under $200, It is from London and i am excited for its arrival b/c the Berlin wall fell in 1989, so I think this Trumpet was made before the wall was torn down, will see.🙂
If you search for Huttl on the internet, you get a "stout" bearded bloke on CZcams trying to tell us otherwise.
What I always called a "peashooter" trumpet was one that had a reverse wrap and a very narrow bore.I have about fifteen of them in my collection.They're from all over the world except Japan and China.
What do you mean by reverse wrap?
I have an early 1930's Conn Vocabell trumpet that has a lot of the same unique design features (shorter and longer overall, no bead on bell, hard to hold), I wonder if one influenced the other?
the bell rim style is called a french bead
i like how it sound like a really loose straight mute
Hey Trent, great video! Do you think you could make a recording of you playing Bugler's Holiday for Bb Trumpet if you can ever get a hold of the sheet music or find it online? That's one of my favorite pieces that involves double tonguing and played it in my 10th year of school.
I have a similar instrument that is very short like that. I've taken to holding it like Maynard Ferguson held his trumpet. Seems to work OK for me, but the third valve slide is hard to manipulate then. I really don't think there were that many "large mitt people" like us in the past. =P
Nice sound. I like it.
I got a model line 700 Huttl REGD. made in 'western Germany'. It has the rolled over horn tip. Great condish. I'm trying to figure out when it was made.
Any idea what it's worth? I have one as well.
Mr hamilton, I have a trumpet from the late 19th century with some of the first piston valves ever made. It's made by a guy called Henry Pourcelle, and it's serial number is 12. I was wondering if you know anything about it
It would have been nice to hear you play Chuck Mangione's Feels So Good.
I'm not a brass instrument player but really enjoy your videos. What is your favorite instrument?
Hi! I have poked around the internet and not found any info on a particular topic you may have insight into. Ever since my band director mentioned in passing that different metals cause different tones and timbres, I have been very, very curious as to what metal does what. As I said, I've found nothing about it online. To be fair, I am atrocious at research. Do you have any information about the effects of metal type on tone? Or, even better, do you know of anyone that may make or have trumpets made out of different materials?
I very much hope you have some insight about this!
Thank you!
I wonder if the "rotary valve feel" is because they are bottom sprung and because the valve is heavier because of the extra amount of unneeded metal in the valve? The valves look like they have no extra bounce in them giving a cleaner articulation compared to a bouncy piston valve.
maybee his valve pistons are slack in the cylinder?
I just bought one off ebay.It is another "Peashooter" style horn.I got it for cheap.As a rule,they're not when I see them there.How does the horn blow?Are they stuffy or relatively free?I've played some Couesnon made Lafayettes that were very free with a vibrant tone and others that were very stuffy.I have a few other German made horns in my collection such as an "International" with no manufacturer's name like many of my Czech made "Concertone" and "Marceau" horns.
This looks like the horn Louis Armstrong played.
I had always believed he played a Buescher Aristocrat but apparently most of his trumpets were Henri Selmers. I haven't seen any pictures of him with a peashooter style horn like this but no doubt he played one.
I found a huttl line 700 a few weeks ago at a flea market and couldn't find much online about it. Wasn't he a czech guy that immigrated to germany ? Mine has a round edge on the bell.It also has regular looking valves. Are there any other marking on the bell of your trumpet ? Model or manifacturing place ?
I have a line 700 too, 5 digit serial #. Made by HÜTTL regd. 'western germany' markings on upper horn bell and triangle-shaped logo on top. My grand-pa (who was a pro french horn player in a orchestra, later became 2nd conductor) bought it somewhere in the 70's, probably mid-70's. rolled over horn tip: as opposed to the type described in this video. I don't know exactly if it was bought used or new- still great finish condish. I oiled the valves (one felt like surface rust built on over time) tuned pretty good. I have a main tuning and it has a separate tuning adjustment for each 3 valves. I have Questions myself but to answer yours from what I can deduct it was made in western germany
the late great horst fischer started with one of these in his early career
I have a really old trumpet that is short like this one
could you just keep this intro theme, like forever? I know you did it in the Cheap and Expensive Cornet Blind Taste Test video but I loved it so much and I'd like to know what the piece is called.
Hi Trent! I’ve recently started to want to be a bass trombone. Do you have any tips for getting started?
You should do a review on the Yamaha Venova
Hey Trent I am just curious to know. Of all the brass instruments you have played before, which one is the hardest to tune?
It was probably the mini sousaphone. It was literally impossible to tune.
I've always heard it rumoured that it was the Bb flugelhorn, surprisingly.
Sure, the pitch maybe lower than a Bb trumpet, but I don't hear to much of a difference as far as tuning goes.
Robert Goldman III any cornet
Probably that mini bugle
"Local Internet' is a bit of an oxymoron, especially if you're using 'Local Internet' to search the World Wide Web.
Pretty sure he was joking: down under irony.
It could be the smaller design was for young marching bands, or Drum and Bugle Corps.
A trumpet in B; interesting. The only piece that I know of that uses a B trumpet is Mahler's 5th.
The trio of the 3rd movement of Brahms' 1st symphony does too (if you mean Trompete in H).
I still don't understand how other people use H instead of B in music.
The trumpet he's playing isn't actually in B, it's simply in high-pitch Bb, which was pretty common on instruments on instruments made before the 1930s. While low pitch A is at 440Hz, high pitch A is at 452.4Hz. Often, American instruments from that era would have two interchangable tuning slides, one for high pitch, and another for low pitch.
In Germany we say "H" instead of "B" and your "Bb" is called "B" in Germany.
Thomas Håkanson mahler 5 doesn't actually call for trumpet in B. Generally you will see composers so that they are calling for a trumpet B, but they are referring Bb, not literal trumpet in B.
Hey so I'm a woodwind player so forgive me for any stupidity, but I was looking into learning the Flugal and I wanted to know that if I played the Flugal, how well could I play a Trumpet from just that experience. I know the two instruments are essentially the same instrument with different bore sizes, but I was just wondering if it would actually seem like playing the same instrument
Technically, they're quite similar but each has it's different styles and challenges.
Hi whats the best Cheap but good trumpet with a case etc for marching of concert?
Check out my review of the John Paul TR430
The valves are like that because of the tight wrap, don't you think?
What was the piece you played at the beginning?
Perhaps it is a C Trumpet that can be Bb secondly.
Sounds like you're describing loose valves.
Did Huttl produce any tubas? If you ever acquire one, be sure to name it Jabba the Huttl
you should review the mendini blue trumpet for only 90 dollars
30 years ago I directed/operated a youth community maching band. We went every where to buy, borrow or get donated instruments. In the end we colected 101 instuments and 2 of them looked like your Huttl. We callled them pea shooters and played them anyway.
Bro super
trent , do you know when it was made???
Looks like a copy of the Conn Vocabell. B40 maybe?
Definately not in Bb. It's fundamental without pulling the slide out is a B natural.
The trumpet is in "high pitch;" manufactured back when groups would sometimes tune A to a higher tuning than the standard 440hz. The high pitch A is practically a Bb, however, so it's not necessarily wrong to say that the fundamental is a B natural.
LiamImprobable makes about as much sense as saying an e string isn’t pitched in e because it doesn’t make an e sound without being tightened
Flash Gaming Allow me to clarify: it doesn't sound like it's intended to sound at a Bb. At least not at modern tuning. Like prev replay and Trent said, the instrument was probably made in high pitch, so unless we know it's manufacture date, it's not incorrect to say it's in B or Bb.
Any ideas about price ??
I liked before the intro music even started
Same
intro song?
If I made a trumpet, they would burn me at the stake for making a pretty terrible horn.
Cry tag at the beginning of the video. Nice!
Do a review on a Schiller bass trombone for me please because I’m buying one of those or a Wessex bass trombone for band and I need to know which is better plus a new bass for you to mess with everyone wins
Sweet. I'll just go out to my money tree and pick today's ripenings.
I played one until I was twelve. I think it was made out of sunken u-boats.
Looks like somewhat of a knockoff Conn Connqueror. On the issue of the tuning slide leak, I've found that appplying a liberal amount of Vaseline to both inner slides works very well in shoring up leaks. Also, if the valves are wobbly, maybe use rotor oil, rather than traditional valve oil
(I have a trumpet made by York from the early 1920's that had these problems and it's a night and day difference)
the conn is a cornet, i do not see any relation to this trumpet
Is it a Bb trumpet?
Yes
@@TrentHamilton thanks for the idea.. Someone is selling me a HUTTL trumpet. Just wanna know its speculation sir.
Could you explain to us the usefulness of the third valve alone?
BananaTech Gaming For trumpets, it’s used as an alternate fingering for a first and second valve note. Usually, people use the third valve if the pitch is off when they play a first/second valve note. Other than that, it doesn’t have much use, especially because it sounds different than what a trumpet would usually sound like (unless you’re trying at some strange jazz technique to make a note sound weird)
for instrument reviews, I'd like if more camera focus given to the instruments than yourself, as we wanna see the horns; you keep putting instruments off cam. we know what you look like haha, but not what these instruments look like from every angle and close ups
Bizarre eh?
Trent just as a point of order, it's not "Spit!" in the instrument - it's primarily condensation
EnglishTMTB sorry to break the news to ya but actually mostly spit
Except it isn't... it's primarily warm breath condensing on the cold(er) brass - very, very little is actual spit (saliva).
Unless you're an awful player who routinely does actually spit to start notes (or have the sound choke off as spit passes the lips), in which case some of it actually is spit.
EnglishTMTB it's still gross though
Maybe...
To be honest after 20 years of playing it's kind of an accepted reality - whether or not it's gross is kinda irrelevant, it's there and you get it out (that's about it).
Pls help me pls!
Low rider trumpet
say: Hüttl.Die hat viel Holz vor der Hütt'n.please don't say: hat or hut
High tuning is more correct. 440 A is actually bad music. Research history of standard tuning. Be glad you have this refined instrument.
not sure what you mean by bad music, but higher tuning standards tend to give a brighter tone color to the music and is widely considered to be the standard nowadays. Anything else is usually a deliberately made decision to alter the tone color for a performance or to get the sound the conductor wants. It doesn't make the music bad or good friend.
Shakesbeare do more research. The body’s response to frequencies is not relative.