2020 Toyota 86 TRD | The Best and Last Chapter

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  • čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
  • We review the 2020 Toyota 86 with TRD Handling Package and 6SPD manual. This is one of the last years of this affordable sports car. We talk about the history of the car including the good and bad. Say goodbye to one of the more exciting and affordable cars available. While the Mazda Miata, Hyundai Veloster N, and Honda Civic Type R are also good, it's always fun to discuss options.
    #cars #toyota #86 #doneonadell
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    Index:
    00:00 - 00:54 Intro
    00:54 - 3:00 Interior Impressions and Audio Testing
    3:00 - 7:47 Mechanicals, Suspension, and Underbody
    7:47 - 13:39 Driving Impressions
    13:39 Final Thoughts
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  • @mykofalco
    @mykofalco Před 4 lety +1773

    People keep talking about the 86 being slow. It never was meant for speed. Do people really expect this to be fast like a mustang corvette charger etc and also handle the same? Expecting so much, but not UNDERSTANDING the CONCEPT of the car. What it was made for.

    • @savagegeese
      @savagegeese  Před 4 lety +373

      Slow is not the problem. Take any great high revving naturally aspirated sports car from the past 20 years, be it porsche, Honda, Toyota etc. They all have a special character and feel to them. The FA20 is not that, it revs for the sake of it, does not have enjoyable harmonics. And when you dig into you understand why. Toyota wanted it and Subaru said thats not something we do. So what you get is a compromised design which leaves a lack luster feel on the driving experience.

    • @singular9
      @singular9 Před 4 lety +97

      @@savagegeese Toyota has one of the worlds most thermally efficient 2.0t engines in lexus. That, is what needs to go into the next 86.

    • @mrjjthor
      @mrjjthor Před 4 lety +32

      @@savagegeese exactly!! You said it best. I drove around my brothers BRZ and although it's a fun car it doesn't feel as special. It feels more like a compromised vehicle.

    • @REVlogue
      @REVlogue Před 4 lety +19

      I didn't need fast, but free reving engine the 86 is not. I'm very happy with the S2000 now :)

    • @blakestone75
      @blakestone75 Před 4 lety +32

      The 86 is a storied name in the car world. Part of that name was in the 4AGE engine and a huge part of that was the sound. It might be my favorite engine sound of all time... This 86 platform should have had a sonorous engine and they put... that thing in there.

  • @daberin2630
    @daberin2630 Před 4 lety +1284

    Everybody’s a race car driver on the internet. Out in the real world this car gets the job done just fine.

    • @jaysefmacmanus8858
      @jaysefmacmanus8858 Před 4 lety +123

      So true. And many of the people complaining about the lack of power in the 86/BRZ wouldn't even be able to properly use what it has on track.

    • @TrafficMan7
      @TrafficMan7 Před 4 lety +19

      You took the words out of my mouth. The sound of the vehicle and the feel of the thrust isn't always going to be important during every second of the drive.

    • @andrecuevas2656
      @andrecuevas2656 Před 4 lety +79

      @oFriskyPanda wow, you can read the brochure

    • @nick-yr7wu
      @nick-yr7wu Před 4 lety +3

      You would still get smoked

    • @bartonez123
      @bartonez123 Před 4 lety +20

      I sold my 86 because of the lack of power. Don't get me wrong, it's the most fun I've had in a road car in a mountain pass, but it's also one of the most boring cars in between those corners - and unless you live on a mountain pass, it'll spend most of its time driving straight lines. It either needed more power or to be a convertible. I've stuck to my old Evo as my weekend car for now.

  • @joemorphew8244
    @joemorphew8244 Před 4 lety +488

    Although subjective, One thing i never hear mentioned is how good this car looks. It is a entry level car that loooks high end.

    • @poisonpotato1
      @poisonpotato1 Před 3 lety +17

      On the outside yeah but the inside looks a little dated

    • @JohnFromAccounting
      @JohnFromAccounting Před 3 lety +50

      @@poisonpotato1 The interior is pretty spartan. There's not much to talk about, and for a lot of people that's a good thing.

    • @optimusprimee
      @optimusprimee Před 3 lety +6

      You spend most of your time inside the car, so interior quality is way more important than exterior looks.

    • @maxhunt5702
      @maxhunt5702 Před 3 lety +8

      @@optimusprimee but then again you get to know that your driving a awesome looking car

    • @graumail
      @graumail Před 3 lety +4

      @@JohnFromAccounting This is my favorite thing about my 13 FRS. I don’t even have steering wheel audio controls. There’s not a damn thing to break or worry about. It’s just a car with a radio and air conditioning. Cheap and fun.

  • @utkarsh12
    @utkarsh12 Před 4 lety +34

    I like to think of the 86 as a go kart. You don't drive a ko-kart for it's raw power. You drive it because it's pure fun. You're low the ground, body roll is minimal, driving position is perfect and powering through tight corners never gets old

  • @twobrotherscycleanda
    @twobrotherscycleanda Před 4 lety +232

    Like the ae86, this is a car everyone will appreciate 20 years from now.

    • @JohnFromAccounting
      @JohnFromAccounting Před 3 lety +30

      Keiichi Tsuchiya, the Drift King, likes the new 86 as well as the old 86. That's a success for Toyota considering he was one of the popularisers of the AE86.

    • @tempestandacomputer6951
      @tempestandacomputer6951 Před 3 lety +21

      The 86 wouldn't have the reputation it does if it wasn't for Initial D.

    • @Alex-mp5xe
      @Alex-mp5xe Před 3 lety +2

      @@wiselinkmarque3947 2020 Corvette is in a entirely different league

    • @Alex-mp5xe
      @Alex-mp5xe Před 3 lety +1

      @@wiselinkmarque3947 great car tho

    • @ellisjackson3355
      @ellisjackson3355 Před 3 lety +2

      @@tempestandacomputer6951 honestly I think that the car exists quite a bit because of initial D

  • @Amused_bat
    @Amused_bat Před 4 lety +656

    Watch, despite all of the flaws that the car has and the of the people, in 10 years or more people will be looking at these the way we look at NA miatas and integras

    • @Mr.Marbles
      @Mr.Marbles Před 4 lety +69

      pretty sure it will be the new 240. works well for drifting and tuning but considered underpowerde at the time.

    • @grantapalooza998
      @grantapalooza998 Před 4 lety +123

      Exactly my thoughts, it's one of those cars that people will trash and then 15 years later it'll be sought after stock and complaining how they don't make cars like this anymore

    • @mojojoji5493
      @mojojoji5493 Před 4 lety +30

      Grantapalooza all the toxic trolls are ruining the car community. car company’s will stop making “coupe sports cars” and then the trolls will cry saying “why don’t car companies like car enthusiasts”🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴

    • @morallyemptycorruptedmaggot
      @morallyemptycorruptedmaggot Před 4 lety +19

      Will these subbie engines last though? Old nissan and toyota engines were great, but a boxer? I don't know m8

    • @grantapalooza998
      @grantapalooza998 Před 4 lety +23

      @@mojojoji5493 people always hate cars when they're new or common. For example the mk4 supra new wasn't even a sales success and it was relatively cheap to buy used for awhile until 20 years later people went crazy about them. The same way people view 80's and 90's cars now will be most likely how we view 2000's and 2010's cars. In a future of electric/hybrid suvs, people will miss the Scion tc or Hyundai veloster, the frs/brz, genesis Coupe, cobalt ss, basically all the cars we have now that come in manual transmission or coupe style hatches will probably be gone. So appreciate the Scion tc now cause it's probably the Honda prelude of the future. I might be wrong, but that's what it seems like happens with relatively common cars of now 15-20 years later

  • @romeshprakashpalan8895
    @romeshprakashpalan8895 Před 4 lety +508

    I really miss my BRZ. I have rarely felt as connected to a vehicle as with that one. I even made a 3600 mile road trip in mine. I am grateful that Toyota/Subaru made them.

    • @quackman
      @quackman Před 4 lety +26

      I used to drive my dad's '08 BMW M3 for a while before I got my BRZ, and I gotta say the BRZ is more fun to steer, turn, shift, brake. M3's engine was god-like though.

    • @Fuffcat
      @Fuffcat Před 4 lety +9

      you can say whatever all you want but ultimately you SOLD it sooooooo... it sucked. admit it. and so should everyone else who says "IT WAS SUCH A GREAT CAR... BUT THEN I SOLD IT".

    • @WarriorsPhoto
      @WarriorsPhoto Před 4 lety +16

      Why'd you get rid of it?

    • @jponz85
      @jponz85 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Fuffcat I didnt even read your comment but was about to say the same thing.

    • @sl0wh4nd81
      @sl0wh4nd81 Před 4 lety +32

      @@Fuffcat maybe his kids growing up..u never knew what's his reason behind and presumption doesnt help

  • @thelifeofguyon
    @thelifeofguyon Před 4 lety +137

    I've had my FR-S for 5 years now, and I can say it's a forever car. It's light, it's simple, and it's direct. I don't want extra frills and features, I want to focus on driving.

    • @yessox
      @yessox Před 4 lety +6

      I agree 100%. I bought my 2014 new in Dec 2013 for a few reasons: wanted to wait till the 2nd model year (my philosophy is to wait so initial model year bugs are hopefully worked out-the valve spring recall on the 2013 perhaps proves that out); I fell in love with the styling; I own other Toyota products and they have been relatively bulletproof (even though this is really a Subaru I felt it was a chance worth taking since Toyota was involved); I love the gas mileage (yeah, I have an auto trans-don't judge me for that); and of course the handling is great. The power problem and the engine sound don't bother me. I'm not looking to race anybody. I love my car! It is completely stock. Maybe that's part of why after 78,000 miles, I have had no mechanical issues. Full disclosure: I have a sound which is either a bearing going or something with my tires. Outcome to be determined.

    • @GMak81
      @GMak81 Před 4 lety +3

      Just recently bought an MX5 NC, and I echo your words exactly. It's all about being fully immersed in the driving experience, to feel at one with your machine and clear your head of life's problems. I will never let that car go. Have fun.

    • @georgegates526
      @georgegates526 Před 3 lety +1

      They may work fine on computers, but identical, multi-function buttons on newer cars, make you have to keep on looking down when you are driving. Old cars used to have all kinds of different shaped knobs. They also had slider buttons, push buttons, etc.. You knew what the control is by the feel of it. You *never* had to look down. Go to an antique car gatherings and observe them.

    • @Chiz1992
      @Chiz1992 Před 3 lety

      You havent considered a remap?

  • @Namesi
    @Namesi Před 4 lety +705

    I wish Honda would make the S2000 again. Not even an update; just start selling the AP2 again and destroy the segment.

    • @pacrat90
      @pacrat90 Před 4 lety +62

      Except if they made another s2k it would not be competing in this segment, it would be (like the original) competing in the Porsche Boxster segment.

    • @jponz85
      @jponz85 Před 4 lety +33

      Honda is stupid... they know they would sell those like hot pockets. The thing is now there are more emissions. That engine would be smaller like the new si's eith a turbo making roughly the same power.

    • @boheyo
      @boheyo Před 4 lety +44

      Miata performance with a Boxster pricetag, shut up and take my money!

    • @Gauge167
      @Gauge167 Před 4 lety +2

      FACTS NO R AND D NEEDED JUST BUILD IT AGAIN WITH A RECLINABLE HARDTOP

    • @MHKeonwoo
      @MHKeonwoo Před 4 lety +9

      The truth is, they can’t. It will not pass the emission regulation.

  • @garbinator09
    @garbinator09 Před 4 lety +61

    I guess I drive a FEEDER CAR. I didn’t know it till now. Being my first ever performance anything, I decided at 64 I wanted to go out on a limb and buy something ludicrous for once.
    I tested Miatas for years actually, I was awaiting 2019 new Club to hit dealerships before making the leap.
    Only real concern at the time was HEAT stroke. I live in the desert, Club model’s sun-baked rag top literally felt like my bald head was being baked it was so hot. Miatas A/C was meek unable to cool the interior. Hard top model I could not fit at all. Interior room. Horrid. I never realized how bad passenger side was until my wife had us switch on a test drive. Now, keep in mind I went in believing this was THE ONE for me. Despite the negative stated above. Long story short.
    Wife called me had me come ASAP to her Toyota dealership wanting me to see an 86. It was over 103 that day. Sitting in the parking lot. When I turned the A/C on within minutes-I began too rethink my decision. MORE roominess, WAY more comfy passenger space. Trunk fold down rear seat offered excellent stuff space. Car was the Base. TRD wheels/tires that was it. within 1/4 of the test drive I wanted it. I was way more comfortable in the 86 versus the Miata. Although, if I were well-off, I’d have a Miata for sure. I just wouldn’t drive it on really hot days is all.
    I bought my car knowing I would do nothing to alter it. I go frolic in the twisties staying in my lane. I have no aspirations to going fast just going cornering knowing my lil car can thrill me doing 55 in a 20 mph corner without worry I’ll go over the edge landing fifty feet below, the creek bed. My 86 Base is an E-ticket ride too my inner self. Better than going to DisneyLand. My car also saves me from myself. My overdoing it when I fail to see a motorcycle cop hidden looking to pop somebody an suddenly I look at my speed and began laughing. Miata is also that way.
    Both cars share a simple desire; “Being The Poor Man’s performance car” on a budget.
    And, thats my story.

    • @blink182bfsftw
      @blink182bfsftw Před 3 lety +2

      @@garbinator09 I enjoyed reading your comment, ignore the a**

  • @sahilagrawal4255
    @sahilagrawal4255 Před 4 lety +46

    This is the first time I watched this channel, and I was truly surprised by your honesty about the car. This is very rare to find in a car reviewer, and I thank you for giving us the true, full picture about this car!

  • @numbnutsAU
    @numbnutsAU Před 4 lety +33

    I drove my nephews 86 for 20 minutes and fell in love with driving again. I bought my own MY14 GTS (Australia) in November 2018 and it's the best thing I have ever done for myself. It puts a smile on my face just looking at it. I have added decent tyres, TRD springs and sways, added Whiteline bushings to the gearbox, diff and rear subframe and I feel like this car is now where it should have been from the factory.
    The interior is cheap and the sound system is crap but I understand why - keeps the price down, keeps weight down and more importantly the twins were built to modify, you can change pretty much change everything and anything you like with this car as the aftermarket parts availability is just incredible.
    I love that I can wring the neck out of this car and it won't try to kill me. It is making me a better driver because of it.
    I'm glad you guys went back for a final look. Yes it is flawed, but what isn't? It's a great car and I think in time it will become a classic.

  • @splewy
    @splewy Před 4 lety +205

    2:02 Tokyo Drift soundtrack. 😂

  • @DirtMagert97
    @DirtMagert97 Před 4 lety +188

    I bought my 2019 brz performance pack 8 months ago and first thing I did was get rid of the torque dip with headers, the OFT tune, and sometimes E-85 in the summer and everyday i look forward to driving. I never had a car that made driving the highlight of my day. But I am a car enthusiasts I think very few people understand this type of platform.

    • @GuyHaimovitch
      @GuyHaimovitch Před 4 lety +22

      ClarkFitness As an MX-5 owner who also drove several BRZs, I agree. Both cars are a dying breed.

    • @michaelw2263
      @michaelw2263 Před 4 lety +20

      You did the right thing! Headers, a tune, and tires are the best things you can do to these cars. With that they are such a joy to drive. It is sad cars like it and the miata are the only real lightweight affordable sports cars out there.

    • @FOXDADDYSUPREME1
      @FOXDADDYSUPREME1 Před 4 lety +1

      I did the header and tune already a couple years ago. Thinking about doing flex fuel next. How much of a difference was it for you? Would you do it again?

    • @michaelw2263
      @michaelw2263 Před 4 lety +17

      @RJ mi you clearly dont understand the joy of tuning then

    • @FOXDADDYSUPREME1
      @FOXDADDYSUPREME1 Před 4 lety +3

      @RJ mi I got my header and tune used for 600 bucks. I bought the car fully loaded with 5,200 miles for a hair over 20k. Everything else at the price point has a different compromise. Reliability, maintenance costs, tech/age, handling, usability, etc. Every car comes with something. A couple bolt on power adders is the easiest, and probably cheapest, thing to "fix".

  • @willantheunissen1015
    @willantheunissen1015 Před 3 lety +13

    As a long-term 86 owner, if you are considering getting one, make it happen!

  • @banker6
    @banker6 Před 4 lety +16

    Dr. Savage, the consistent incremental improvement to your production quality is remarkable. You’ve raised the bar on this platform.

  • @Baoaa123
    @Baoaa123 Před 4 lety +47

    As much as I agree with almost everything said about the motor, everyone is forgetting one thing. The boxer motors that Subaru make are known for allowing the car to have a lower center of gravity as they sit so low in the engine bay. I know it doesn't sound like a huge deal, but this really does have an effect on the handling of the car.

    • @CSLFiero
      @CSLFiero Před 4 lety +8

      It would mean a lot more if 58 percent of the weight wasn't still hanging over the front wheels.. they killed the inline awd, possible the biggest reason to use a flat four, to push the engine behind the front axle and look how much weight is still up front. It will never feel as nimble or light or tossable as a Miata without addressing this.

    • @aaronbryan5095
      @aaronbryan5095 Před 3 lety +1

      @@CSLFiero if they can somehow make a steering shaft that can "snake around" the super wide engine and be able to mount the steering rack in front of the engine push the engine backwards.

  • @robertrishel3685
    @robertrishel3685 Před 4 lety +27

    I love these cars. I bought mine as soon as I found one (FRS) available locally in 2013. I embraced the “race car” and enjoy the loud nature of the car. I also kind of like the 1990’s nature of the early cars, disconnect that ABS fuse and it is 1980’s sports car, 100%. I cannot bring myself to part with mine, I just don’t know what I would replace it with, short of just buying another one. Mine has 87k + miles on it and it is super raw. I replaced the blown OEM shocks with Tein coil overs, when the clutch throw out bearing failed (the only failure I have had) I replaced it with a new bearing, clutch and lighter flywheel (65k miles). I replaced the rotors with higher quality vented and I’m running EBC reds in the rear, yellows in the front. All the fluids are Motul. Oh...and I have been through 9 sets of tires during my ownership thus far, yep...9! I have tried a different type of tire every time and found it’s important to not over tire the car. I deleted the entire 20lbs of muffler with a Nameless Delete - simple, light and it sounds terrific. I love this car, there just is not another car available giving the same driving experience. You can flog it to death every time you get into it, which is my sole purpose for a sports car. I absolutely love mine. I will keep it until the motor blows up, rebuild it and keep driving. It has plenty of power for the street, you just have to stay on top of it, you have to be in the right gear, you have to maintain momentum. It is fabulous.

    • @theArchive1O
      @theArchive1O Před 3 lety

      No pedal dance! Just take the good ol fuse out

  • @agenericaccount3935
    @agenericaccount3935 Před 4 lety +188

    Gosh 7 years fly by. I am kind of glad that these soldiered on. I see a lot of young fellows in them as a first reliable foray into spirited motoring. Yeah they got panned for being down on power. I panned it too. My opinions have softened with time though (Now a Miata owner. So who am I to talk)
    Ultimately, Its a good car and I recommend it where I can.

    • @moisesezequielgutierrez
      @moisesezequielgutierrez Před 4 lety +7

      It's one of the best "first Cars", man.

    • @svn5994
      @svn5994 Před 4 lety +16

      At least Miata owners aren't required to visit a shop to get a working torque curve.

    • @mojojoji5493
      @mojojoji5493 Před 4 lety +1

      Svn open flash tablets bro you can get rid of the torque dip at home

    • @autoxbrz5651
      @autoxbrz5651 Před 4 lety +9

      It's a great car to learn proper driving technique that can still be somewhat practical as a daily. I owned one for 4 years & it's what got me loving small, light. RWD cars. Moved on to a S2K but will always have a soft spot for the 86.

    • @RichardADastardly
      @RichardADastardly Před 4 lety +3

      @Johnny Nimble I dismissed the MX-5 for 30 years, but in 2019 I inherited a 1999 NB with LSD. Five minutes later I was a convert.

  • @danthomas9532
    @danthomas9532 Před 4 lety +1

    Hey Mark you are truly a pioneer in independent automotive reviews. Your style and quality are top notch. I really feel like I spent a couple days with the vehicle myself at the end of each of your reviews. Keep up the great work.

  • @Gherbert1348
    @Gherbert1348 Před 4 lety +29

    Daily drove an FRS for 5 years (leased), its been nearly 3 years since I gave it back and I miss it every. single. day.

  • @etoineschrdlu9382
    @etoineschrdlu9382 Před 4 lety +21

    I've loved this car ever since they introduced it in 2012. I bought a 2015 BRZ Limited and found that it's joys are balanced by it's shortcomings. But it's shortcomings can be fixed: the aftermarket has a multitude of solutions for whatever you perceive this car's problems to be. I won't say that this is the first car I have ever modified, but I've done more to this car than all the cars I have owned over the past 40 years. Torque dip? Solved with a catted header and an Open Flash tune. Blind spots? Convex door mirrors and an aftermarket backup camera. Lame sounding engine? Install a Cat-back. It slides too easily? Get Pilots for Summer and a good set of Winter tires (Thank you, TireRack). Sound System is atrocious? Oh, there are a number of solutions to that problem, but I took the simple route of replacing all the cheap OEM speakers with carefully selected Polk Audio and Infinity Reference speakers. BTW: Neodymium speaker magnets weigh nothing compared to the ferrite speaker magnets they replaced! Replacing the speakers can be a weight reduction! It isn't quite "audiophile" but I can at least recognize the music I'm listening to. Too much noise? Add sound deadening. I know I've done more, but this car is a pure joy to drive and I know it's mine.

    • @eugenetan3520
      @eugenetan3520 Před 4 lety

      Would you know if sound deadening material adds weight to the car?

    • @BballerShowcase
      @BballerShowcase Před 4 lety +3

      Eugene Tan yes it does, you’re adding to the car what wasn’t originally there. It’s not too much weight though .

  • @reemeruxd
    @reemeruxd Před 3 lety +2

    I love my 2017 BRZ with all my heart. it's the most special car I've ever owned, it's my first actual car purchase on my own. I look forward to getting behind the wheel everyday and I'll go on night drives just to have that smile on my face. I met people through the local 86 scene. I've made friends through this car at meets. this car changed my life for the better and I'm gonna do everything I can to take really good care of her

  • @thedisappointed2530
    @thedisappointed2530 Před 4 lety +2

    You are absolutely missing out on 50% of what makes this vehicle amazing if you are driving it in Automatic. This is coming from someone who purchased a $30k+ 6-Speed Manual and learned how to drive standard inside it day by day. Please, do not speak on the car if you drive it in Auto... you have successfully robbed it of its true character. I own a 2019 TRD Edition GT-86. By far the best car I’ve ever driven/owned. The way that car handles is a dream, it’s just absolutely glued to the road. It shifts seamlessly and picks up fairly quickly despite what many say. It’s a beautiful car and it sounds beautiful too. The steering, the chassis, the weight, the way it drives and the way it drifts is amazing. I love this car to death and I’ll never sell it. It’s getting supercharged by edelbrock fairly soon but for what it is, it’s extremely fun at high RPM’s and if you’re any good at driving a 6MT, then you’ll whip this thing around with a smile on your face every second. Driving is something I look forward to everyday because of my 86. Get one (in standard) & enjoy!

  • @Jigglypoof
    @Jigglypoof Před 4 lety +5

    The original FR-S video(s) are what brought me to this channel. The channel has evolved so much since then. Feels good to come back to another 86 car review after all this time. Like a highschool reunion, but with slightly less rod knock.

  • @cloudhidden1196
    @cloudhidden1196 Před 4 lety +10

    Best part of this review is learning that Mark and Jack initially met through a FRS/BRZ forum.

  • @keithprice6581
    @keithprice6581 Před 4 lety +1

    Hey Dezoris,
    Hell of a review - and I bet it causes the same emotions in you as it does me. I remember your salty review of the FR-S right when I had bought mine and I'm delighted that your journey has taken you to this point of creating quality content that we don't deserve. Thanks for all your hard work and effort over the years.

  • @sohaibyounus
    @sohaibyounus Před 3 měsíci

    Finaly after a very long time got to test drive a low mile 2019 TRD and pulled the trigger will be picking it up tomorrow from the dealership. The 15 min test drive was more than enough to convince me that it will be the fun car I have been looking for a few years at this point! Thanks for all of your videos they made a faint impact in me getting interested and finally pulling the trigger on one of these. Keep up the honest and detailed content coming!

  • @67tomcat
    @67tomcat Před 4 lety +269

    Love this car, don't care if it's considered "slow". It's good another generation is scheduled to arrive soon.

    • @alexstromberg7696
      @alexstromberg7696 Před 4 lety +33

      @@darekm6859 because maybe you dont want to go to redline in every gear to just get to highway speed

    • @deathofakitty
      @deathofakitty Před 4 lety +5

      That’s how I feel about my S2000 redlining to get up to speed while modern cars out pace me merging on the highway. Different times now where a golf with a dsg will out run a s2k.

    • @sterlingroberts6240
      @sterlingroberts6240 Před 4 lety +49

      Alex Strömberg you don’t enjoy pushing sports cars to their limits as often as possible? Sports cars might not be for you. What you’re asking for is a Grand Tourer, or GT car. These represent the vast majority of what most people call “sports cars,” so there are plenty to choose from. Please, stop asking a rare breed to become another GT car. Pizza’s great, but I don’t expect every meal to feature it.

    • @larphraulen
      @larphraulen Před 4 lety +21

      It's not slow. Well into the early 2000s, we still had cars making under 100 HP, and double-digit 0-60 times. Meanwhile, speed limits have NOT changed. We're just blessed with a plethora of fast options now.

    • @zhaoyangxie
      @zhaoyangxie Před 4 lety +2

      Andres Ramos yeah it’s just the powerband of NA cars. The E60 M5 and the E92 M3 are like that too. All the power is in the upper end. Some people just don’t get that.

  • @KC16A6
    @KC16A6 Před 3 lety +5

    Seriously... seven years to "figure out" a car... regardless of a joint venture problem or just plain laziness, relying on customers for feedback on the kinks that should have been smoothed out before release is plain and simple a punch in the gut.
    The same goes for the engine : having to wait for two years, then another two to get engine "improvements", which were not so much an improvement as they were "needed critical fixes", is mind-boggling to me.
    Anyway, I strongly agree on one point : in today's market, getting a "true" driver's car with analog inputs and genuine road feel, is priceless. Yeah ! One point for Toyoru...

  • @McDagger90
    @McDagger90 Před 2 lety

    Straight to the point. Very honest and not dragged out. AND talked about all the specs in detail. I appreciate this very much.

  • @nygelg94
    @nygelg94 Před 4 lety

    I truly enjoy watching these reviews, so detailed, and in depth with insightful commentary. Thank you

  • @BigMolch
    @BigMolch Před 4 lety +74

    Mr.Singapore I’m proud to say, that your quality of presentation is FINALLY on par with Mr.Goose. I applaud you fine sir, keep up the good work.

    • @stmaier3288
      @stmaier3288 Před 4 lety +10

      Definitely agree, he killed it in this video.

    • @srinivasaniyer407
      @srinivasaniyer407 Před 4 lety +19

      @@stmaier3288 You can tell he's just much more enthusiastic about this car than most cars they review. That's one thing I really respect about this channel; you can tell if a car's good in the first few minutes by the way that they act - they won't be fake happy about a trash CVT crossover because they're true car people

    • @WarriorsPhoto
      @WarriorsPhoto Před 4 lety +5

      I agree with you on this note.

  • @dimitrikezis
    @dimitrikezis Před 4 lety +67

    Savage! Congrats on the 350K!!! No one does it better than you, brother.

    • @FnVir
      @FnVir Před 4 lety

      351

    • @dimitrik5390
      @dimitrik5390 Před 4 lety +1

      @@FnVir 500 by end of year.

    • @dimitrikezis
      @dimitrikezis Před 4 lety +3

      @RICKY I had never heard of this channel so I checked it out. I 'sampled' the review of the Golf R. It was pretty painful just getting past the first couple of minutes. After that, I found very little information about the car. It's mostly just satire and crude humor. I would equate it to a car reviewer version of Angry Video Game Nerd. This channel is definitely an acquired taste, which I don't see myself acquiring.
      No thanks, Mr. Regular; I'll take Mr. Goose.

  • @aprilmayjoon
    @aprilmayjoon Před 4 lety +1

    thank you for the video bookmarking! most underrated car channel imo. quality information paralleling 1 million sub channels.

  • @KuyaArbee
    @KuyaArbee Před 3 lety

    truly underrated channel! LOVE YOUR CHANNEL! no one else goes underneath the car and talks about stuff like this!

  • @sharanbo148
    @sharanbo148 Před 4 lety +56

    I love your cinematography savage!

  • @quackman
    @quackman Před 4 lety +13

    I've had 2014 BRZ since new, still feels special and fun after all these years.... the feelz over the feel this car can give, so nice and tactile.

    • @WhirlingMusic
      @WhirlingMusic Před 4 lety

      Any mods you put on?

    • @quackman
      @quackman Před 4 lety +1

      @@WhirlingMusic Just a short-shift kit, which was a great mod to give an even sportier, tighter feel to it all. I've resisted spending money on anything major all these years, but after having zero problems with it and pretty low, 50kish mileage, I would love to finally add more power to this thing, and would go great with some grippy summer tires.
      I know supercharger kits for it have always been super popular, hmm...

  • @iNeverHadMercy
    @iNeverHadMercy Před 4 lety +2

    This is one of the rare TRUE 4K car channels on CZcams. Great cinematography 🍻👍🏾

  • @acolytegnat
    @acolytegnat Před 4 lety +2

    So happy you guys found friendship through automotive passion. This is what motoring is all about.

  • @roebbiej
    @roebbiej Před 4 lety +18

    That bromance story is way too cute.

  • @JuanRamirez-dn5nz
    @JuanRamirez-dn5nz Před 4 lety +7

    A lot of people dislike this car, I like it.. I own one I go everywhere with it. Never stops being fun

  • @Quartz-GT
    @Quartz-GT Před 4 lety

    Excellent video. It's refreshing to see a heartfelt and time-hardened summary and comparison of the 86, when everyone else seems to be focusing on new models simply because they're out next month. It felt like a love letter but at the same time, a break-up note.

  • @CYBRCDZEN
    @CYBRCDZEN Před 2 lety

    1 of if not the best reviewers with knowledge and humor and to the point

  • @sage11x
    @sage11x Před 4 lety +7

    Happy FRS owner here going on 8 years (got my 13 in 2012). Besides the recall have had few issues. Still really love the car and haven’t found anything I’d rather own. Of course, I do also own a sedan for carting around people and winter wonderland driving here in Michigan. Very much looking forward to seeing what Toyota has planned for a second generation.

  • @sage11x
    @sage11x Před 4 lety +22

    True story: as an owner of a 2013 FRS this is how I was introduced to SavageGeese as his were some of the first owner vids on CZcams.

  • @GCCarsCA
    @GCCarsCA Před 4 lety

    Love the subtle Easter eggs in your videos! The icing on the cake!

  • @jestexgarcia3601
    @jestexgarcia3601 Před 4 lety

    Great in depth review guys. Very detailed. Thank you for the upload guys

  • @stevee8318
    @stevee8318 Před 4 lety +16

    I went with a Miata rf because it offers the style of a coupe with the optional open air driving of a convertible, but the BRZ/86 was definitely on my short list.

  • @grantapalooza998
    @grantapalooza998 Před 4 lety +217

    I daily drove an na Miata for years, the only thing wrong with it, is the lack of space. This would be the perfect car except the Subaru engine that turns me off from it. Wish it was an Inline 4

    • @Incountry
      @Incountry Před 4 lety +58

      Grantapalooza
      The whole point of boxer block was for even lower centre of gravity so the ability to keep understeer in full control...

    • @grantapalooza998
      @grantapalooza998 Před 4 lety +86

      @major wow I have nothing against them, I think they're unique and cool, I just like the mechanical simplicity and ease of maintenance of an inline. But only because I'm use to that

    • @mojojoji5493
      @mojojoji5493 Před 4 lety

      Grantapalooza wait car maintenance online? How

    • @Incountry
      @Incountry Před 4 lety +6

      major wow
      Porsche think so too...!!! (So did Ferrari)

    • @WTFNoNamesLeft2
      @WTFNoNamesLeft2 Před 4 lety +27

      The engine is awful, it just is. I've had one for 3 years. It's supercharged and everything. It STILL feels terrible.

  • @allongtin1243
    @allongtin1243 Před 4 lety

    Best nostalgia story ever !!! Great video and review...you guys set the bar for all auto reviews. Go Bears !!!

  • @WDPsoldier
    @WDPsoldier Před 3 lety +1

    Anyone still hating on this platform after 7 years, has never driven it and/or is not a real driver/car enthusiast. This chassis is unanimously more respected and feels better than most 35k cars like the sti, rs, miata, veloster, type r, and gti.
    As for its spirit, it is the successor of the jdm corolla 85/86 trueno or levin style, which the most powerful trim, the GT-S with the famous 4AGE, had 112hp at the crank, a weight of 2400lbs and no power steering. In that regard, it is an outrageous successor and we are lucky to begin with that Toyota spent millions in R&D to revive a platform that died for 26years. Toyota doesnt manufacture great low displacement engines anymore so they took the right business decision and partner up with Subaru making some of the torquiest engine for displacement. Now 400lbs heavier with nearly double the power, handling of this chassis is in the top of all time greats, chassis and wheel feedback is really really great, both the automatic and 6speed manual are respectively sharp/quick and precise/notchy, steering isnt porsche but its in the top of the entire consumer car market and if you cant understand or feel any of this, well, bang for the buck it is also unbeatable. The car talks to you it lets you know where it is on the road, the amount of grip you have, its predictable and manageable. Its a great sports car, its so good that its vastly used at the Pro level in many motorsport disciplines. Just drive one!

  • @DiscoFang
    @DiscoFang Před 4 lety +17

    It's North Face vs Patagonia in the battle of the fleece tops.

  • @MikeJones-in3uk
    @MikeJones-in3uk Před 4 lety +54

    I own a 2017 automatic Toyota 86 . My car still puts tons of smiles on my face. JUST GET RID OF THE MICHELIN PRIMUS stock tires and put on the Pilot Sport4 Michelin tires and you'll thank me for it. This car is a blast and every single horse power is usualble . And the cars gets many many second looks from passersby ..... this car is one sexy biotch !

    • @zerotoux
      @zerotoux Před 4 lety +3

      I drove those stock Prius tires to the ground by doing donuts and drifting, it was a ton of fun with those tires. So before you get rid of them..."get rid of them" the fun way ;)
      For track use I put on Firehawk Indy 500s, super affordable and grippy enough for the track.

    • @851995STARGATE
      @851995STARGATE Před 3 lety +1

      @@zerotoux yea after I switched to pss in 16 there was way more grip, I actually liked the easy slide ability of the originals honestly

  • @PStewart28
    @PStewart28 Před 4 lety

    Savage, you deserve a million subs. Great content as always.

  • @Tinrs80
    @Tinrs80 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the Review. I had no idea they had even updated this till i saw the video. Thanks for sharing.👍🏾

  • @FriedPlacentaBurger
    @FriedPlacentaBurger Před 4 lety +30

    Dude the intro song you came up with slaps hard af. I had to restart with my headphones on.

    • @SnapAttackGaming
      @SnapAttackGaming Před 4 lety +1

      Listen to “when ever you call” by kolidescopes. YOU WILL LOVE IT

    • @afrazkhan504
      @afrazkhan504 Před 3 lety +1

      I want the music name in the intro

  • @dil6969
    @dil6969 Před 4 lety +40

    This car is definitely going to appreciate in value 10 years from now. Were it not for the Miata, this would be the end of an era for "pure" RWD sports cars.

    • @mojojoji5493
      @mojojoji5493 Před 4 lety

      Nah this car the 86 is the most hated car in the car community and Toyota will most likely never make another 86 again

    • @xzy8823
      @xzy8823 Před 4 lety +9

      stanley oleyte huh most hated in the car community? Please elaborate

    • @leokal457
      @leokal457 Před 4 lety +2

      Lol there are way to many out there. And the engine isnt really that special

    • @LakeHowellDigitalVideo
      @LakeHowellDigitalVideo Před 4 lety +5

      Yeah, I doubt it. There are so many better cars out there. This thing is a rattle trap that never got a decent engine. Used ones are cheap as hell for a reason.

    • @wigletron2846
      @wigletron2846 Před 4 lety +4

      I doubt it will ever appreciate but I can see it holding its value many years from now when they become hard to find. Like a nissan 240sx. As it is right now it's a more than a bit overpriced brand new, you get a more accurate value on the used market

  • @helllokitty138
    @helllokitty138 Před 4 lety +1

    It's a great daily! I was able to make it home with winter tires on a 30km drive home in 25cm unplowed snowstorm. Never got stuck once and made it up hill that some cars with winter tires got stuck on. Love this car. Thanks for the send off video for the BRZ/FRS

  • @es3502012
    @es3502012 Před 4 lety

    Glad to see how far you have come. Surprisingly, your FRS build brought me to your channel. For the longest time I just thought "why does this guy not have 100k subs", but not at 350k, all your efforts finally paid off, the process took quite long but you are here. I was a highschooler back then, and all i wanted was a FRS/BRZ, I went a different route when getting my first car, but now i finally own a 2020 BRZ and have started modding it. I know the 17+ models are meant to be left untouched, but I just can't :'D

  • @mr.anderson8211
    @mr.anderson8211 Před 4 lety +299

    I thought this was a bidet review channel

    • @VS666
      @VS666 Před 4 lety +8

      oh it still is...this is the car you flush down the bidet

    • @coastaku1954
      @coastaku1954 Před 4 lety +5

      @Nissan370Z And you think a Nissan 370 isn't?

    • @coastaku1954
      @coastaku1954 Před 4 lety +6

      @Nissan370Z Except that all Nissans are tired, outdated, rust buckets that are unsafe

    • @urface12343
      @urface12343 Před 4 lety

      Coastaku not disagreeing that the 370 is ugly af, but I own an Infiniti that spent 90% of its life in Rhode Island, and it has little to no rust. And it’s last two years in my ownership was still spent in the rust belt.

    • @coastaku1954
      @coastaku1954 Před 4 lety +2

      @@urface12343 I don't think you know what Rust belt means........

  • @Xaluber
    @Xaluber Před 4 lety +19

    As far as the sound is concerned, plugging the sound tube outlet in the passenger floor (the 12v outlet cover from the glovebox fits the hole perfectly) and installing a Corsa Performance exhaust honestly makes this one of the best sounding 4cyl cars ever. Doesn't compare to my 981 Cayman of course but what does.

  • @miguelelasmar
    @miguelelasmar Před 4 lety +2

    You two have such great chemistry.com - Keep doing what you do. Savage.

  • @spidermangle
    @spidermangle Před 4 lety

    Another excellent review. Love your reviews guys!

  • @KuyaArbee
    @KuyaArbee Před 3 lety +4

    this car is going to be an instant classic for a fun to use car! like how the miata became! I may not like this car for its practicality, but this car is legit fun to drive!

  • @cradilyz
    @cradilyz Před 4 lety +8

    just flash tuned my 2012 gts 86 yesterday, torque dip fix should be minor but definitely feels much nicer.

    • @saulespino2510
      @saulespino2510 Před 4 lety

      You didn't get any valve spring issue like 2013 year models?

    • @cradilyz
      @cradilyz Před 4 lety

      @@saulespino2510 I am under the valve spring recall, haven't done it yet.

  • @irregularmana6216
    @irregularmana6216 Před 3 lety +2

    I love the way this car looks and feels when you drive, you're not the fastest and it's not about that, it just feels like you're driving a sleek/ agile car.

  • @markubiak
    @markubiak Před 3 lety

    Thanks for this review, it was a big driver on why I bought my '19 86. Love the car.

  • @blackmount1
    @blackmount1 Před 4 lety +6

    That 0-60 made my low compression RX-8 look fast. Genuinely love the GT86 though. I wish it had a a little bit more displacement to help move it along in the mid range.

  • @TajCars
    @TajCars Před 4 lety +13

    The soundtrack to this video is nice. Random, I know. Just thought I’d let you know.

  • @ballerkawaller299
    @ballerkawaller299 Před 4 lety

    Great review savage. The soundtrack slaps in this vid

  • @samitsaif1578
    @samitsaif1578 Před 3 lety

    Thanks a loooooooooooot. Really appreciate the meticulousness of all the videos.

  • @raymedrano
    @raymedrano Před 4 lety +7

    Geese can we get a review on the latest bathtub on the market. I would like to know how the water flows down the drain.

  • @armink9686
    @armink9686 Před 4 lety +22

    It's the perfect car representation of the 2010 decade, 80's nostalgia all around to people who haven't lived through the 80's.
    The engine sounds like shit, but it's refreshing to have an actual engine sound that wasn't engineered to have unneeded artificial pops and bangs or no sound at all. "Ah the good old days".

  • @adriel1924
    @adriel1924 Před 4 lety

    This intro music with cinematic was perfect... MY GOD GEESE BROTHER

  • @blues03
    @blues03 Před 4 lety +1

    I must say, Jack really nailed the solo beginning parts of this review really well. The script felt very cohesive and he seemed engaged and brought us, the audience in with him. I'm glad to see (or notice, rather) the improvement. I do have one criticism however, I don't know if it's his speaking style or the way the audio was handled but Jack's voice sounds kind of quiet and muddy prior to the Shoppe segment.
    I know I shouldn't be criticizing anyone with the way my sentence structure is, but it feels great to see effort paying off and I wanted to add my 2¢.

  • @PianoBlackTrimRep.
    @PianoBlackTrimRep. Před 4 lety +30

    For 500k subs you should do a "special" video with Turbowski.

    • @Dtt4
      @Dtt4 Před 4 lety +1

      Forget Taboskeet.

  • @xiuv8031
    @xiuv8031 Před 3 lety +3

    so since im starting to get into the whole sports car thing this car would be good?

  • @StandingUpForBetter
    @StandingUpForBetter Před 4 lety

    Another well done video. Thanks! To me, this 86 TRD would be a nice 3rd car at least for someone with a family. This is a fun little driver's car. Small, light, front engine, rear wheel drive and manual transmission. So much of what you said about the car is what I loved about my old MG but better. Great job to Toyota for keeping the manual alive. As we all know a manual is not even an option in the Supra. My wife and I looked at an 86 as a possible second car but with a family our second car needed to be fun to drive, have a usable back seat and have a manual as per my wife's requests. My wife is AWESOME! For the money, we got a Civic Type R and we LOVE it! The Type R just screams performance and has a usable back seat and a huge trunk. We give up the rear wheel drive but the Type R is such a well engineered front wheel drive car, it did not really matter to us once we were behind the wheel. Also, as a family man with a mortgage, reliability is important and this TRD being the last of its generation means Toyota has ironed out its bugs and being a non-turbo means it will last. For our second car I also did not want an endless project and wanted something fun out of the gate and with a warranty and the Type R fits that bill too but so does this TRD 86. If people understand the reasoning behind this TRD 86 there is a lot of driving fun to be had here in a car that will last a long time. Keep up the great work! BTW is that music at the end a piano cover of the shop music in the original Phantasy Star on the Sega Master system? I played that game when it first came out years ago and loved it.

  • @johnaitken7430
    @johnaitken7430 Před 4 lety

    Nice..had one few years ago and was fun..you have nailed the assesment

  • @Toyota4Life
    @Toyota4Life Před 4 lety +4

    I like how it looks on this latest update with the body design and those wheels it looks good.
    Also it’s needs a Toyota motor.

  • @Fee.1
    @Fee.1 Před 4 lety +50

    WAIT A SECOND. @ 1:51 DID THEY ACTUALLY CREATE GRAPHS THAT SHOW THE TORQUE DIP
    ON. YOUR. DASH. it’s a feature not a bug?

    • @alexmoore5970
      @alexmoore5970 Před 4 lety +18

      It's a real feature from 2017 and up.

    • @jaysefmacmanus8858
      @jaysefmacmanus8858 Před 4 lety +21

      At least they acknowledged the issue instead of having it show some bullshit torque curve.

    • @brunolang210
      @brunolang210 Před 4 lety +6

      Yup they want you to be proud of your torque dip, whats funny to me is that you dont know how much torque you actually have cuz there arent numbers written on the graph so for what you know you might be using 100000000000 Nm of torque 😂

    • @ivanzavala307
      @ivanzavala307 Před 4 lety +7

      It’s a torque bump. Not a dip. If revved before and after the dip, you have a dual purpose powerband. But everyone loves seeing the glass as half empty instead of half full. It was what the AP2 ended up doing eventually too. Added displacement for more low end torque.

    • @centralintelligenceagency9003
      @centralintelligenceagency9003 Před 4 lety

      @@ivanzavala307 And that "bump" utterly sucks. Look at it, the torque plummets for what, 500 revs? Makes it so you can drive either like my late grandmother or go full ass. What a feature, I love my car to be bipolar. I think they should electronically simulate massive turbo lag as well.

  • @jimcallahan4161
    @jimcallahan4161 Před 3 lety

    Detailed, quality review. So much of the discussion about this car is about the engine's lack of oomph and sparkle, which is a pity as that often tends to drown out discussion about its beguiling qualities. The guys covered it well; driving position, low centre of gravity, pedal box, control weights, chassis balance; this spec car is really a driving enthusiast's delight. Absolutely delighted with my 2017 BRZ PPL. The only modern cars I've driven that provide the same sense of connection and interaction are MX5s and 911s.

  • @hobear637
    @hobear637 Před 4 lety +1

    I found this channel through the FT-86 forum, you posted a video of your supercharger on the forum and I started following since then. Didn’t know at the time that your channel would turn into what it is today!

  • @staind039
    @staind039 Před 4 lety +29

    I miss Scott Turbowski

  • @HandsomeAlex25
    @HandsomeAlex25 Před 4 lety +3

    I've owned three of these chassis - a 2015 FRS, traded into a 2017 BRZ Inazuma (first time Sachs and Brembos offered in Canada) which got T-boned, and now a used 2014 FRS. I've loved them all, and that's why I keep buying them.
    It's nice to finally see some reviewers point out how superior the Sachs dampers and final suspension tuning is on these cars. "Reminds me of the Ohlins Road and Track set up on the 2013... Smooth over every pavement type... It's completely neutral" That's why I actually did that (VERY expensive) trade up to the Inazuma. The suspension was night and day. I encourage anyone to drive the Sachs damper cars over a rough backroad and not come away totally impressed. My current 2014 FRS, I have to slow down on bumpy roads cause the car will be bounce around, and the rear could come loose, but the 2017 Sachs-equipped car would just never require you to slow down. It was amazing.

  • @EternalNightingale
    @EternalNightingale Před 4 lety +2

    This vid just made me love my frs even more💕

  • @sdalal591
    @sdalal591 Před 4 lety

    New format for scrolling is dope

  • @danieldeluna9946
    @danieldeluna9946 Před 4 lety +78

    Would love to see something like the Supra 2.0 engine with a manual in a lighter weight chassis like the 86.

    • @DB-sd3cw
      @DB-sd3cw Před 4 lety +45

      Toyota apparently is forbidden from following good ideas like that

    • @justthink5854
      @justthink5854 Před 4 lety +2

      @@DB-sd3cw cuz it's 995 beamer

    • @mojojoji5493
      @mojojoji5493 Před 4 lety +7

      Too bad the car community hate this car and it will never be made again

    • @mojojoji5493
      @mojojoji5493 Před 4 lety +3

      I love this car but with all the backlash people write about this car, why would Toyota make another one ever again

    • @danieldeluna9946
      @danieldeluna9946 Před 4 lety +3

      Doesn't have to be the 2.0. They have other in-house options such as the GR Yaris 1.6.

  • @lornesbored
    @lornesbored Před 4 lety +7

    2020 But it has rust on the front control arms and bolts already?

    • @roxyroller25
      @roxyroller25 Před 4 lety +1

      winter also using cheaper toyota bits and bobs

  • @zoozoo6528
    @zoozoo6528 Před 4 lety

    Love the review man

  • @golding69
    @golding69 Před 3 lety +1

    I bought a 2020 BRZ tS - best, most perfect car for me, reunites and balances everything i ever dreamed of in a car, including simplicity and even a trunk. handles extremely well on my backcountry curves. I actually really like the unique engine sound that some criticize.

  • @MaxSpeedMike
    @MaxSpeedMike Před 4 lety +22

    After driving and reviewing the 30th anniversary Miata which has the recaros and brembos, I have to say, the miata is the more fun car to drive everyday. Of course, that is subjective, and I encourage anyone reading this to go out and drive both, then make their own decision.

    • @iheartgs400
      @iheartgs400 Před 4 lety +6

      MaxSpeed I want the motor of the Miata but the utility and practicality of the 86.

    • @ZackNakazora1
      @ZackNakazora1 Před 4 lety +7

      @@iheartgs400 that would be an interesting combo. I firmly believe Toyota could have given the engine a decent 2.0 or even a bigger 2.4 hell why not. lean it over so it keeps the short roof line and maybe jazz it up with ITB"s for the sport models. the new miata revision is bad ass. now as for driving everyday. the miata is "better" but you compromise usability, and thats what seperates the two cars., they are NOT in the same class as far as functionality. as a guy who's owned both. the miata is a "two car garage" car and the 86 is a single car garage car.

    • @dimitrilax3612
      @dimitrilax3612 Před 4 lety +1

      Both of them are 2 small for me.

    • @MaxSpeedMike
      @MaxSpeedMike Před 4 lety

      @@ZackNakazora1 good take. Good to hear from someone who owns both as well. Think it just depends on whether or not you have a big family with kids, or if you need back seats for extra storage.

    • @VS666
      @VS666 Před 4 lety

      yeah, if only the 86 had the miata engine

  • @quackman
    @quackman Před 4 lety +5

    3:28 aaaawww this car is how you met

  • @liveoak7838
    @liveoak7838 Před 4 lety

    great review as usual , thanks

  • @danespi193
    @danespi193 Před 4 lety +1

    Father of 2 here, love mine :) To be fair we also have a Mazda 3 hatch but kids love to go for rides. Proud 2017 BRZ Pure Red owner.

  • @saeedhossain6557
    @saeedhossain6557 Před 4 lety +11

    next iteration is something i am looking forward to. other than the engine, the car is unbelievably great. drove one, and the connection you feel to the road is translucent. would be one of the true greats, unless it was for a rough and even cheap feeling engine.

    • @carlosandleon
      @carlosandleon Před 4 lety

      the new one will apparently only get 215 hp but fixed the torque dip

  • @michaelmarks5012
    @michaelmarks5012 Před 4 lety +53

    Did they powder coat that intake with crushed FLAMIN' HOT® DORITOS® LOCOS TACOS?

    • @michaelmarks5012
      @michaelmarks5012 Před 4 lety +4

      @@RAYSGT Ahoy there matey! You're right...it sails right by Toyotas all the time!

    • @eapa37
      @eapa37 Před 4 lety +3

      @@michaelmarks5012 did you know Toyotas actually make boats in Japan?

    • @thoggboogus2560
      @thoggboogus2560 Před 4 lety +1

      @@RAYSGT at least it ain't a V6 boat lol

    • @thoggboogus2560
      @thoggboogus2560 Před 4 lety

      @@michaelmarks5012 no Toyota nowadays is made for speed tho minus the BMW Supra, Lexus would be a better competitor but not in the same price range

    • @pirihern9329
      @pirihern9329 Před 4 lety

      Subie paint

  • @JoseMedina-gf4cu
    @JoseMedina-gf4cu Před 4 lety

    Was looking forward to this one!

  • @FabiWann
    @FabiWann Před 3 lety +1

    So I understand they fixed the valve issues. Nice!