Aid to Ukraine and the Future of the War with Michael Kofman
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- Please join the Europe, Russia, and Eurasia Program for a conversation about the status of further Western military and financial aid to Ukraine, and the impact a lack of additional assistance would have on the battlefield.
Max Bergmann will moderate a discussion featuring Maria Snegovaya, Michael Kimmage, and Michael Kofman of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
This event is online-only, and will take place from 1:00 - 2:00 pm EST on Wednesday, December 20, 2023.
This event was made possible by the generous support of the Carnegie Corporation of New York.
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listen to many of these folks on podcasts, good discussion of the realities of the conflict,. not all rosy but not hopeless either!
Keep up the great work. I Always enjoy the Content.
The problem is that money doesn't simply translate into shells and equipment. The other issue is that a lot of conclusions are predicated on those casualty numbers, and they are extremely dubious.
Yup. Lots of claims that Krynky is somehow attriting Russian manpower more than Ukrainian, which is ridiculous. Even in places where Russia is on the offense like Kupyansk and Avdiivka, it’s not clear how much greater their casualties are vs. Ukraine’s, which are hardly ever given numbers.
Kofman is so much more intelligent and nuanced thinker than the rest of the panel.
They manage to present the Russia as weak and strong in the same sentence, without noticing and bothering to explain.
They're ideologues
There is a battle going on in the GOP, if Trump wins I expect the USA will leave NATO and ally with Russia as Trump follows Putins political Aspirations. You can hear the echos of Russian state TV in their Debates. The Hold up on the budget was initiated by Putin supporting Republicans to delay aid to Ukraine. Putin is very much admired by a large portion of Trump Supporters.
To be fair, Russia has weaknesses and strengths with much of it relative, not absolute. It is a spectrum and depending on the area/issue, Russia is on different points on the spectrum.
@@DeadCat-42I worked on the Trump campaign in 16 and volunteered in 20. You have no idea. Slava Azov!
Great to see Snegovaya speaking - and making great points
Make love not war.
Как забавно смотреть насколько вы сами себя убеждаете в той чуши, которую транслируете)) Продолжайте в том же духе. Чем меньше вы нас понимаете и чем хуже компетенции ваших аналитиков, тем нам проще вас обыграть.
Amen.
Trust me, some of your best allies are these so-called "think tanks" along with the Western, especially American media.
Here we have fools leading fools.
Совершенно верно.
Vietnam used to deal with these colonists. We stand with Russia all the way
что именно они не понимают?
Lol
Excellent discussion thank you
Quite the interesting discussion regarding the war with the moderate analysis being unique and reasonable.
Great discussion! Thank you! Althoug to claim that Ukrainian forses had an advantage in artillery 2 to 1 vs Russia at any point of time is to be delusional or willigly lying. Take your pick. Other than that many good points were raised through this discussion.
You guys finally woke up.
Super interesting conversation. This should be required watching for everyone in Congress ...
... and of course, also required watching for the American Electorate so they understand what's at stake ...
I do think that a bit more time should have been spent on the implications for World Politics in general. The obvious issue is China & Taiwan, but more generally "The Global South" movement ...
It’s lovely to seeing the superior West panicking.
Great insightful debate! Maria comes out the realistic one to balance out the "Michaels" optimism on the west's will to endure and outlast Putin...
17 million people fled Ukraine and the Russian speakers in the Eastern region want to be with Russia. It is country 20 million vs a country of 150 million people.
excellent analysis...! Anything can happen....but don't hold me to it.
I'm a 75 year old American living in Kherson through out the war and I try to follow things closely. Michael Kofman of course is great. The other panelists are very good also. I greatly appreciate the realistic evaluation. One thing I see here in Kherson is an even deeper and stronger resolve to fight on. Of course we all here realize that American has REALLY dropped the ball over the last year and it's VERY embarrassing for me. I'm continually communicating with my elected representatives to do more for Ukraine. Again, great discussion.
It was all so easy back when your Azov militia was shelling civilians in east Ukraine? Why didn't you just offer a referendum with western observers? The land was Russian soil until, in historical terms, only yesterday
@donaldflett1504 What in God's name are you doing in Kherson? If you have a death wish,by all means stay there. The only legitimate reason to be there is as a soldier of fortune (merc) or a NATO paid miltary advisor or operator . Any other reason ,unless you are married to local or are Ukrianian , is insanity or naivity.
Herson is half or majority russians.
I am Ukrainian. American, what are you doing in my Ukraine? Do you support Zelinsky's anti-people regime? Where Americans appear, wars begin.
@@Soldado_18 All Ukraine is full of "russians" that fight for Ukraine against Putin.
Great Podcast...🏆
It is sad to see how weak US support is over time, US can't even stand up for 24 months without falling apart politically. We close to Russia must realize that US can't be trusted apart from moral support. If US don't support with 4% of the defense budget cost (with a 90% return to US economy) to keep Ukraine alive who believes that US will risk a singel solder to defend NATO?
Actually, BBC and Mediazona have been keeping track of Russian kia: about 40,000 so far, according to them.
Thanks for uploading. Always interesting to hear Michael Kofman
I think the political impact on NATO will be very dramatic, if US does not continue the support for Ukraine. The Afgan exit will look like a victory parade in comparisment. Nice upload, but missing this discussion.
Outstanding group. Thank you so much CSIS. Really the best!!! However, it was also profoundly depressing. Time is running out for Ukraine while western leaders fail to prepare their populations for the seriousness of this struggle.
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I have seen several Western reports and it seems as their hope bears on the Russian eggs price ...
Excellent war analysis by Michael Kofman. Thank you. Sam from UK.
30 minutes in, and I'm exhausted by this insanity.
Australia would rather bury their helicopters then donate them to Ukraine as an Australian i am so sorry we have let them down 😢
You must be an aborigini?
Very good presenters.
If Russias strength is more equipment, production and available manpower, Ukraine needs as many force multipliers as possible. The gamble to cut the land bridge at melitopol failed, so it has to find its advantages elsewhere. Nothing is going to give Ukraine as much of an advantage as being defensive now. Ukraine still controls key areas of Luhansk and Donetsk; Russia has to take those areas to achieve some of their war aims. Ukraine needs to dig in hard and focus on holding those areas for as long as possible. If they can push the defender's odds to where they can outlast Russia's current army, then it'll force a more difficult Political situation on Putin when he needs to increase production and mobilisation further. Russia can't claim any minor victories without these objectives, so they need to be made to pay dearly for them.
I think (from my armchair, albeit) that's the best strategy for the long term war ahead of them. Many Western countries still need time to train the f-16 pilots and turn up their arms production. Once they're available for the war, Ukraine might have the chance to break the stalemate.
There's still a lot of western equipment being retired from service, I think they'd become quick and easy stopgaps or supplements for Ukraine. A prime example of this is the 600 FV107 Scimitars the UK just retired. As far as I'm aware, they have no serious buyers; Ukraine, however, have expressed their need for more armoured reconnaissance capability AND fire support vehicles. Scimitars fill both these needs and are very easy to learn (first hand experience). Regarding their capability, they have less ground pressure than a foot soldier, meaning its perfect for when the weather gets groggy and for following assault units offroad. The majority of the front frontline is fields, forests, or villages. The terrain in all three become inhospitable to MBTs for at least half the year. That's perfect condition for a fast, light, autocannon-armed vehicle to operate.
I wish I were privy to the discussions regarding Ukraine amongst generals and politicians, but I dearly wish for more support to be handed over. If the war is lost for Ukraine, it is also lost for the west. Can our 'paper' alliance take that blow? I am not 100% confident. Podcasts and analysts often remain minimalist in their conclusion of the war being lost - "Well, its not looking good for Ukraine", they'll say. The truth is subjugation, terrorism, genocide, and a threat to international peace. Hundreds of thousands of innocents will be forfeit of Ukraine loses. The reality of this needs to talked about more in depth from now on, listeners need to understand the stakes. It can't be reduced to a single gloom sentence.
Russian tactics is slow and grinding. Can Ukraine + NATO face this? Absolutely no.
What are you talking about
It is the American expansion to the east which create conflict with Russia
Just like When Napoleon n Hitler expand to the east
,it created war
,, Russia will always stop any great power expand to the east
"I follow the Dnipro down to Navodnitsky park
Listening to the wind of change
A December winter night, soldiers passing by
Listening to the wind of change"
If we're to believe that russia regards NATO as an existential threat, then we should expect that russia will exploit any weakness to break NATO. A war in Eruope seems unimaginable now, but recall that after the collapse of the Russian empire in 1917 it took only 28 years before the soviet troops marched into Berlin and other European capitals. Do you think any analyst looking at Russia in 1917 1918 and on would have guessed that it would come to dominate half of Europe? He or she would have been laughed out of the room for suggesting that.
Well, Russians entered Paris after the war with Napoleon, entered Berlin after the war with Hitler. I wish Washington DC to never know what a war is.
West arogance and ignorance is amasing but I agree in 1 thing with you if NATO= Hitler's Nazi Germany only in that case Russia will be in Berlin in 4 years in other case that will never happen.
Yes i just remember, nobody is taking about waves of the socalled crippling sanctions, what happened?
Has it failed woefully?
You don't know what a sanction is. It isn't a blockade genius. Putin runs out of reserves in 2025. Enjoy your breadlines.
Russia isn't interested in talking about just anything. They're interested in talking about making uncle Sam's pet project surrender, and Uncle Sam needs to get the eff off their lawn.
Interesting debate and analyses.
yes
When the negotiations topic comes up no one on the panel is asked about what is the perspective from the Ukrainian side.
There is a decree from the president that forbids any negotiation with Rus. If Koffman himself states that the best 2024 outcome for Ukr is to be able to defend itself why to keep insisting on achieving total victory when it would be much more productive to start talking about what is ammissibile to concede in order to stop the war? What do we need before we get to this point... more hundred thousand deaths from both sides?
Why stop the moneytrain for United States military industrial complex?
35:05.. “Ukraine could start to lose this war”.. did this guy not witness the failed spring offensive.. is Bradley square not a big enough sign of the state of the war.. enough coping already.. call for peace 💙🇨🇦
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In order to look at the future of the Ukraine war, instead of just looking what is happening and anticipated onward for the future one must first look at the motive of the war. United States is the most experienced warmonger on the planet. It has extensive knowledge and data. From the outset of the war, United States must knew well that under no circumstances they could use Ukraine to bring down the entire Russia. So what is the ultimate motive behind the war? Years ago, when Russia started to supply gas to Europe, strategist in United States told Washington that the greatest threat United States could possibly face was Russia getting friendlier and friendlier with Europe. Russia with massive resources and Europe with indepth culture and technology are totally complimentary to each other. If they allied together, they will become the strongest region on the planet. Therefore this must be stopped at all cost. With high power politicians planted in the EU system, they push NATO towards Ukraine, the sole purpose is to make sure Europe would never ever make friends with Russia. United States might at this stage see that the objective has been somewhat achieved and therefore becoming less willing to foot the bill further. This is the key factor that the critics should take in order to determine the future of the war. Obviously from United States point of view, If Europe wishes to foot the bill or have direct conflict withe Russia, it would be even better.
You nailed it
Very interesting conversation but i can't believe im the first one to comment. So i feel i should say something a bit different, so here goes.
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, even though the sound of it is really quite atrocious.
I feel better now.. thanks.
Slava Ukraine.🇺🇦
excelent discussion-- very good
ARMCHAIR STRATEGISTS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW REAL WAR CAN BE VERY MESSY AND NOT EASILY MODELED
Instead of angrily smacking nonsense into your keyboard why don’t you actually take their points and refute them with facts and statistics.
You took the bait. Please say it wasn't the all caps that got you.@@LibertarianLibrarian1776
its a bot, dont bother@@LibertarianLibrarian1776
America, please save our world
Man with the spectacles is coping 😅😅😅😂😂
Gosh! You guys are so erudite and beautiful! So, I guess Ukraine has nil manpower issues, eh?
I think the panel diverged from reality some ways back...
Oh well, what do I know? The grammar was great, tho.
The longer it lasts, the larger the disparity will become.
The only thing you have to talk about is how Ukraine can surrender in such a way that NATO saves some face.
Ah, the sad desperation of warmongers swallowing defeat. Alternate title: "When Proxy Wars Go Wrong".
"2025 more positive for Ukraine" in comparison to 2024 or in comparison to now? Since the better side of "horrible" does not sound as good as a more positive prospect in comparison to the bad situation Ukraine's right now. I've read how the west plans to catch up to Russia in terms of production, but as I see it right now, end of 2025, they will still only produce half of what Russia+NK+China produces, with enormous prices.
I also don't understand why nobody is talking of whether Ukraine will have enough manpower to produce drones in late 2025. The emigration, military losses and aging population are eroding ukrainian manpower.
Their 28-30 million big nation will loose one to three million more to emigration + war (especially since shell hunger etc will cause more losses). Will Ukraine's military be able to sustain it's size in 2025? And further going, if they have the power to launch a counterattack late 2025 earliest, as Mr Kofman has said in a WotR podcast, will they have the people to use those weapons?
There are 5-7million men outside the military of military age in Ukraine, so the question as to how often they will be able to draft ~10% of their whole draft pool will be sustainable.
I feel like everybody is tiptoeing around the population and manpower issues of Ukraine. Also forgetting that Russia has increased its population by ~7 million. And they can use this population almost immediately since they speak the same language and have similar education. In Germany, ukrainians will not get a working permit as fast, not to mention being employed for high responsibility/requirements positions. Probably one of the biggest reasons why Russians economy still holds... So sanctions would have worked if Russia stayed the same size.
Michael Kofman seems way too optimistic about Ukraine's chances to be honest. He seems to hyper fixate on Russia's structural issues (which are very real) while completely ignoring Ukraine's. No mention of Ukrainian Morale, corruption, force quality, it's efforts to modernize from Soviet era doctrines. These are all important too and I think it's dishonest to only focus on issues facing one side.
CSIS is so comedic think tank that no one have bothered to comment....i think comedies should remain in digital media , so i am the first...🤣🤗
How is the weather in Russia? 😉
It is very interesting with the manpower and military industrial output. What is China’s role? Do they deliver in secret on purpose? Smuggling of chips is also to some extent allowed.
The overwhelming amount of approving and cheering comments by ordinary Russians in response to videos depicting the atrocities against civilians and prisoners of war in Ukraine were just as shocking to Ukrainians as the war itself. We had somehow grown accustomed to the war, but the realization of who we have been living alongside all this time without even knowing it is still horrifying.
Those savages referred to themselves as our brotherly people. One can only imagine what they might do to those they consider their enemies.
Negotiating with Russia is akin to negotiating with Ebola. Allowing Russia to remain undefeated is like undertreating a deadly infection - it will only return stronger. This is why any peace agreement that doesn't ensure a clear victory for Ukraine is just a temporary ceasefire.
CSIS is a us organisation endorsing us power and hegemoni troughout the world !
What's the casualty rate for Ukraine（if we were to believe 300k for Russia）?
So far: estimated between 50.000-70.000
Classified. But they do hate the Russian invaders, that helps motivation.
Good job… kgb is proud of you.. I hope your wages is increasing as well
After watching this for 20 minutes i just skipped through the rest of the video as it was starting to sound like western propaganda, i have saved the video to watch at a later date to see how good your assessments are. One question that i do have is where do you get your data from ie KIA and WIA?? as the only one that i have seen for Russian losses is MediaZona. And they state 40 k KIA Russians.
40k kia Russians isn't a credible number. The attritional rate at Bakhmut alone was around ~20k alone. And that's based on multiple overlapping pieces of evidence including *counting the graves Wagner dug for their dead.* Russia has, pretty god damn obviously, lost a lot more than 40k soldiers.
Thanks, you saved me the time
It's one of these comedy shows created by a bunch of know-nothing muppets self-aggrandising about something of which they have absolutely no practical knowledge
If there's money to be made making artillery and ammunition, what's the hesitancy to expand production? I can't think of another product where you can sell everything you can make immediately. They're printing money for their shareholders and that printing press will run for years and years.
Shells require minerals that the U.S. and the west are already short on.
People who urge the Ukrainians to fight lack humanity But its strange that those who were kicked out of Afghanistan by peasants are advising how to win against Russia!!!
* Aide
*Liquidity of Aid
*Actual impact of Aid
*Supply
*sustainability of supply
*actual supply availabily
* Man power
*Corruption
*Logistics
*application and impact
* cost of living of supporters
'transitional period' from still hoping beyond hope to realizing what sort of surrender will be required.
I don't understand why the GOP party feels not supporting Ukraine will have no effect to the security of the homeland and our interest.
It seems clear as day Russia must not win.
Its entirely appropriate for Russia to distribute foreign, particularly US assets, to its citizens in light of the US and others seizing Russian assets.
Hello from MARCH 2022.
What happened to " PUTIN'S OFF - RAMP " .. ??
Yea, de-escalation tactics did not pan out well. Only way forward is full, long-term support. If not for Ukraine for NATO nations like the Poland, the Baltics, Finland etc.
Es increíble. Dónde viven estos señores?. De verdad se creen lo que dicen?. Creo que más de uno se va a llever una sorpresita en lo que se refiere al desenlace de la guerra de Ukrania.
President Zelensky should have spoken to some South Vietnamese vets or some Indians of the "Five Civilized Tribes" Before trusting the US government.
A lot of theses people on your show are very negative about the support of Ukraine 🇺🇦! We the people of the west should stand behind the people of Ukraine! They need the right weapons needed to fight against Russia, and not undermine the Ukrainians government undermine ability!
How exactly has the oil situation been favorable given the enormous losses in revenue that Russia has incurred this year?
Russia is still selling cheap oil to India and China.
One of the biggest mistake Western expects who supports Ukraine, is to sit around the table and discuss Russia Ukraine war without involving anyone who is pro Russia and pro peace and negotiations
Snegovaya seems surprised that supposedly Russia has 300,000 casualties and yet there's no protests in the streets. The easiest answer to that apparent contradiction of circumstances is likely that these are bogus numbers that are simply born out of hatred of Russia and old stereotypes from the Soviet Union. It's really difficult to imagine the side with 5x artillery, cutting edge missile tech and aviation, in addition to the fact that all of their soldiers are reserves that have been previously trained, would somehow be taking more casualties than an army made entirely of conscripts begging for a mixture of random weapons from different countries (that they weren't initially trained to use). It just doesn't add up. People who spout figures like this always seem more like people pretending to be neutral observers, and disguise in their bias with overly detailed conversations. Why did Ukraine ever think they had any chance of beating Russia?
Imagine that a weak and untrained Nation able to make the Russian army retreat and evacuate it's main forward Naval Port in fear of it's expensive ship's being sunk. Oh wait haven't they also hit the main supply lifeline on multiple occasions? And Ukraine has shot down how many Hypersonic missile's? 🤔 I wonder why Russia isn't celebrating it's fallen soldier's like it has since the end of WW2? Keep eating BS pies that filthy Beard you are wearing is 😂😂
Russia invaded Ukraine. Why doesn't putin just bring his troops back to their homes and families in Russia?
39:07.. “Russia isolated from international economy”.. wrong again.. enter in “Brics+”… and the downfall of the US dollar and with its Hegemony
West must NOT loose this war . It has lost too much already .
It is accepted the fact that Ukraine is fighting for West democratic values , and for Europe's freedom . Therefore all the West united should support Ukraine with soldiers also . Thanks regards , bye . This war has lasted too much and ukrainian soldiers need some back up in a more decicive way .
These people forget Ukrainian losses and Ukrainian so called “democratic”conscription practices
Ukrain has big problems
Russian tactics slowly grinding Ukrainian men and materials
Secondly we still don’t know the wests end game
Is it to the last Ukrainian?
41:16 - "Hybridity" is a good word to conceptualize national identity however. Good panel 10X.
Maybe it should take into account the model of the world itself. So equation and the game itself is changing. For example, there is growing market of weapons. So Russia maybe invest into this market, not just war itself.
Maria i think your assessments have been very good. The underestimating of the Russian Federation on every level has been the cornerstone of Nato policies and still it goes on ?
It's easier to get votes when you pretend you don't have to spend on the military.
If we looked at NATO's war against Serbia in the 90s, NATO did what Russia is doing now by bombing all infrastructure. NATO did not spare a single bridge in Serbia. Right now it is approx: 1/2 million fallen Ukrainian soldiers, NATO thinks it is reasonable when Ukraine has simultaneously lost roughly 20% of the country, which can be significantly more now that Ukraine has neither soldiers nor weapons/ammunition. If we look at Ukraine's losses, it is about: 20,000/month, which is the same number of soldiers that Zalushni wants newly recruited/month. Ukraine cannot handle that for much longer. This suggests that Ukraine will become a new Iraq, Libya or Syria or Afghanistan.
Yes of course you're totally right. The West lives in a fantasy land and it's massively hypocritical
this video is a great example in dangers of echo chambers
it's amazing how they state their opinions so dogmatically
there's no evidence or proof of anything they say, just hot air
The lady so sad, "... none of these factors are really catastrophic.." in another word, so sorry, Russia is not collapsing as we have been wishing and predicting!!😅😅
Even if Congress does pass this bill what makes you think it's going to work/make any difference
If being scared things won't work out, why get out of bed at all? Who knows what happens on the way to the fridge, might not make it at all so why bother...
Looks like we Underestimate Russia ...Cheers
Let me be first.
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Thanks for the video. Notice how carefully the panel circumvents the issue of Ukrainian casualties while mentioning several times about around 300.000 Russian casualties (why exactly this figure, 3.000.000 sounds way better, they should not feel sorry for Russians).
Wishfull thinking had never won a war 🦥
Talking about the "DictaPolling" as though it is an election where the outcome of Putin maintaining his grip on power would be less than 100% certain...
For those genuinely wondering, why the Russian offensive is so slow, you need to consider number of simple facts which need to be taken into account, including what caused this conflict and when.
As far as the physical aspect of this war (or any war for that matter), think of it as a battle for the high ground...
Those who hold the high ground always have the advantage, as it gives them better fire control over the enemy and provides them with cover.
Now...the Kiev regime had about 8 years of head start (this conflict started on 2014).
They would set up and build their defenses by using the natural topography, enhanced by elaborate network of bunkers and backed by virtually unlimited assistence from the west (at that point mainly US), as far as the consultants, miltary equipment and billions of US dollars.
As a result some key strongholds such as Bakhmut or Avdiivka had literally been turned into impenetrable fortresses...this cannot be undone overnight, nevertheless Russia is doing a good job at pressing forward, consideeing the circumstances.
The US knew, that Russia will have no choice but to go in at some point, as they could no longer tolerate the genocide against the Russian speaking civilians in Donbss, which was being carried out by the western trained and backed, known neo-nazi battalions, such as Azov or Kraken.
This scenario was a specifically engineered trap to bait Russia into entering Ukraine which they did.
If course none of this genocide was covered by the western media, as it would interfere with their narrative of "unprovoked Russian invasion" down the road.
Now that we understand the why, let's do a bit of "how" along with a recap:
At the beginning, it looked like Russia was indeed falling into the US trap, as they came in with only a small force and were not allowed to engage any civilian structures.
The Ukro-Nazis exploited this by using civilians as human shields and setting up camps in hospitals, schools and highrise buildings.
Most of you might have noticed, that at the beginning of the Russian SMO, hardly any parts of western Ukraine were touched, as the aim of the Russians was exclusively to protect the Russian speaking people of Donbass.
Territorial gains were never the goal of this operation.
Think of it more as a policing operation, with the goal of getting the Kiev regime to the negotiating table.
They almost did, but Boris Johnston flew into Kiev and put a stop to that immediatelly.
At that point the west still thought they could bleed Russia on the battlefield and win this war, as per their plans.
Russia needed to step back and re-evaluate the situation, as it became evident, that they would have to go way beyond their original plans, as they are no longer fighting just the Kiev regime, but also their western backers.
This is why the mobilization was done and this is why change of strategy was needed, as the Russian army was set-up mainly as a defensive force in their essence.
What we are now seeing on the battlefield is a reflection of that, as the Russians are fast adapting to this transformation, while facing an enemy, equpied with the best gear, intel and manpower that NATO could provide (nevermind the economic and information warfare, which the west has been waging against Russia since 2014).
Considering all these circumstances, Russia now controls about 20% of Ukraine.
Unfortunatelly for the Kiev regime, most of the important resources, such as minerals, industry and agriculture happens to be located in the eastern part of Ukraine, which is now technically Russia after the refferendums.
This means, if Ukraine is to survive as a state, they will be essentially dependent on their western backers for life support, such as Kosovo for example.
Considering the banking issues and the upcoming recession, this may not be possible, as the west is drowning in debt and has significant issues to deal with just to keep themselves afloat.
After Bakhmut and Avdiivka fall, it will essentially open up a gate for the Russians to secure the rest of the Donbass region.
Excellent summary you have took the time to put off toghether
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Why you didn't have that conversation before the war started to how to prevented
Everyone on this panel drinking the same kool-aid
Need to have individuals from both sides of this issue to give us some real information to reflect on.
Now at the end of December Russia army is encircling advivka to advance to chasavyar and kramatorsk then advance to Denpr river
UKRAINE IS DONE
"Supporting Ukraine is not all bad because it creates jobs through the (US') defense industry.", said Max but we all know that. Who really pays for that though? If it's not the US' taxpayers and it's and aid for Ukraine, then EU?
Why does no one mention how awful it is that as long as the widow gets paid, everything will be okay! What does that say about Russian society?! And these people are treating this as an obvious, yep, that’s how it will work..I don’t think that if US boys started dieing that their mom’s and wives’ would think that’s fine!?
Beware! ... This 'discussion' smacks of a vehicle that serves the military industrial complex. (From wiki on CSIS: "The CSIS lists major funding from defense contractors such as Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon Company and General Atomics.")
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Great comment ratio guys!
Tired of this war. We are $33,000,000,000,000 in debt. This Christmas mothers minorities & vets went withiut
Next year, Russia will take Odessa, Ukraine will dissapear in 2025. Transcarpathia will be returned to Slovakia and Hungary, Galizia and Lvov to Poland some other pieces to Rumania and Russia will keep the rest, maybe keep Kiev for that matter. These my predictions. Write it down Michael K!
If the Minsk agreement was honored, Donetsk and Lugansk would still be Ukraine.The West counted on Russia collapsing internally under the pressure of sanctions, that their military is weak, that Putin does not have people' s support, etc,etc...The problem is, every segment of this plan had to work in order to succeed, and nothing worked.USA used this situation to make Europe weaker, as a result Germany is not the biggest economy in Europe, Russia is.
Yes United states finally succeded in destroying all relations between Germany and Russia, something they wanted to do for a long time.
Europe needs Russia, Russia does not need Europe. Its infuriating that we let the global puppetmaster meddle in our internal affairs
one thing to say: chechnya. it was long a war in the middle of the worst crisis in russia since 1945. russia is a country into which people move to work rather than vice versa. they will not have a shortage of workers. besides, to everybody else outside the brainwashed west this is a war between russia and the west. i don't think russians want to lose against the us and its satellites. you always have to put yourself in the mind of the enemy or at least try.
War is not video game. Many suffer and when is finished is big mess...no one ask what will be if Ukraine decide to join Russia. Happened before.