WOW great detailed video! I have an H3 for 2 years and looking at buying a 6DOF from PT Actuator. Are you still satisfied with your 6DOF from PT Actuator? Do you really feel the G force as well as the acceleration/deceleration? Is the hardware noisy?
Cool. Just researching for my first build now. I see some systems with surge forward under braking and some backwards. I am wondering what the pros and cons are for each style if you have a minute to enlighten me.
I think there are 3 schools of thought on it: 1) Platform moves forward when braking for seat belt towers and surge actuators. This pulls the seat belts tight when braking as the platform moves forward. 2) Platform moves forward when braking to emulate the g-force of moving forward. 3) Platform moves rearward when braking to emulate the physics of the car and jerk the body forward in the seat. Personal preference and what type of platform you have will determine which might be the best solution. I personally prefer the platform moves rearward when braking with surge to create immersive effects when shifting, feathering the throttle, hard braking, etc. It's primarily due to how the body will shift in the seat and the head moves.
@@SimMotionTuning thanks for the details!! Yea i am thinking maybe if the platform moved rearward and it somehow tightened the belts (maybe some kind of Z routing) that would be pretty cool.
@@dvelez811 Agreed. My plan is to eventually add a seat belt tension system (SRS I believe is making one) so I can still have it move backwards when braking but also have the feeling of the belt tightening.
No, it wasn't powerful enough to shake the Sim Labs P1-X frame. I now have a Dayton Audio SA1000 amp driving a single Buttkicker LFE mounted underneath the seat. I plan to add an additional Buttkicker LFE to under the pedals as well.
It is night and day. The PT Actuators are incredibly smooth and have the fine detail to feel the small changes in flight. I have a few videos show the motion in DCS (here is one for the F16 czcams.com/video/Wz7_1RH9DDg/video.html ) and I will have some videos for FS2020, IL-2, and Elite Dangerous at the beginning of next year. The actuator motion is exactly what I always wanted in flight motion since it was so smooth. The P6 was simply to jerky and lacked the fidelity needed for flight sims. At times it was immersion breaking on the P6 and a huge reason why I switched to actuators. When I first flew in the a flight sim on my PT Actuators, I told my wife "this is exactly what I always wanted". The P6 is good for driving sims, but the sensors and motors on the DOF platforms simply don't have the smoothness/fidelity for flight sims.
I'm unsure of the exact power draw. I run the entire platform, monitors, and PC off a single wall outlet to avoid ground loop issues. I have not observed any issues with the power draw on the single 120v outlet (no flicking lights, circuit breakers flipping, etc). Actuator servo motors are extremely efficient and will scale their power draw.
@@varpornrat There will be a shipping charge and potentially taxes on where you have it shipped. It was approx 7 boxes shipped to the US which was around $500. There were no import taxes/duties paid to shipping to the US. The additional expenses are going to be your steering wheel, pedals, shifter or whatever type of controller for the sims you'll want to play. You'll need to have a very large monitor mount to clear the vertical and horizontal distances of the rig (vertical and horizontal extrusion I use is 1525mm). You'll need seat belts for your chair as well. In addition, depending on wiring, you might want to install an EMI filter to reduce line noise/interference. Finally, you might want to change/add other items to your platform which will raise costs in addition to the racing cockpit you decide to go with.
I love your videos! Is this replacing your DOF Reality rig? I just got my P6 in the mail so I'm a little bummed I won't be benefiting as much from all the legwork you did for us on your own P6, but I think it's great you got this upgrade. It looks like it has more range of motion and maybe also smoother than the P6. My P6 can be quite jerky, I will work on balancing as soon as I can, but I think this is just the nature of the hexapod system.
I still have my DOF Reality platform and will continue to create, update, and video tunings for my P6. :) This will be a second platform that allows me to create motion profiles for actuator platforms. Let me know if you have questions on tuning for the P6, and be sure to join the Sim Racing Studio Discord channel here: discord.gg/w3eGXTP7
@@SimMotionTuning I got the P6 for flight sims, but I got a taste of racing and I'm worried I might be hooked. Thanks for the Discord invite, I joined.
Thank you for making all these great videos, and awesome tunes for these amazing systems. Grateful for all the good work.
Great video Jeff. Always great content from you. Best wishes from UK 👍
WOW great detailed video! I have an H3 for 2 years and looking at buying a 6DOF from PT Actuator. Are you still satisfied with your 6DOF from PT Actuator? Do you really feel the G force as well as the acceleration/deceleration? Is the hardware noisy?
Hi Jeff, i see you finally upgraded! Do you like it?
I love it!
Is there anything as advanced as this i can buy in the UK? Plus there are not many prices of the PT Actuator site....why?
Nice stuff, I am trying to build my self similar going to start off with 4 Scorpions.
What Harness is that?
It's a Tanaka harness. The 2" belts and padded shoulders make it easy to use. Here is a link: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0725G5LL7/
Cool. Just researching for my first build now. I see some systems with surge forward under braking and some backwards. I am wondering what the pros and cons are for each style if you have a minute to enlighten me.
I think there are 3 schools of thought on it: 1) Platform moves forward when braking for seat belt towers and surge actuators. This pulls the seat belts tight when braking as the platform moves forward. 2) Platform moves forward when braking to emulate the g-force of moving forward. 3) Platform moves rearward when braking to emulate the physics of the car and jerk the body forward in the seat.
Personal preference and what type of platform you have will determine which might be the best solution. I personally prefer the platform moves rearward when braking with surge to create immersive effects when shifting, feathering the throttle, hard braking, etc. It's primarily due to how the body will shift in the seat and the head moves.
@@SimMotionTuning thanks for the details!! Yea i am thinking maybe if the platform moved rearward and it somehow tightened the belts (maybe some kind of Z routing) that would be pretty cool.
@@dvelez811 Agreed. My plan is to eventually add a seat belt tension system (SRS I believe is making one) so I can still have it move backwards when braking but also have the feeling of the belt tightening.
Only thing this video is missing is a clear explanation of how a car mimics each movement.
Did you keep the butt kicker from your old rig?
No, it wasn't powerful enough to shake the Sim Labs P1-X frame. I now have a Dayton Audio SA1000 amp driving a single Buttkicker LFE mounted underneath the seat. I plan to add an additional Buttkicker LFE to under the pedals as well.
How's the flying feel compared to dof reality?
It is night and day. The PT Actuators are incredibly smooth and have the fine detail to feel the small changes in flight. I have a few videos show the motion in DCS (here is one for the F16 czcams.com/video/Wz7_1RH9DDg/video.html ) and I will have some videos for FS2020, IL-2, and Elite Dangerous at the beginning of next year.
The actuator motion is exactly what I always wanted in flight motion since it was so smooth. The P6 was simply to jerky and lacked the fidelity needed for flight sims. At times it was immersion breaking on the P6 and a huge reason why I switched to actuators. When I first flew in the a flight sim on my PT Actuators, I told my wife "this is exactly what I always wanted". The P6 is good for driving sims, but the sensors and motors on the DOF platforms simply don't have the smoothness/fidelity for flight sims.
Power draw ?
I'm unsure of the exact power draw. I run the entire platform, monitors, and PC off a single wall outlet to avoid ground loop issues. I have not observed any issues with the power draw on the single 120v outlet (no flicking lights, circuit breakers flipping, etc). Actuator servo motors are extremely efficient and will scale their power draw.
Where do you buy this rig? I can't find where to get it...
I only see 4DOF Platforms on their website... What is the cost also?
This is the platform shown: www.pt-actuator.com/products/p4/218.html
@@SimMotionTuning the cost is 13,499USD. Is that the final cost?
@@varpornrat You will need to also purchase a cockpit, like the SimLabs P1-X or similar, and a seat.
@@SimMotionTuning taxes and shipping in price or is there more?
@@varpornrat There will be a shipping charge and potentially taxes on where you have it shipped. It was approx 7 boxes shipped to the US which was around $500. There were no import taxes/duties paid to shipping to the US.
The additional expenses are going to be your steering wheel, pedals, shifter or whatever type of controller for the sims you'll want to play. You'll need to have a very large monitor mount to clear the vertical and horizontal distances of the rig (vertical and horizontal extrusion I use is 1525mm). You'll need seat belts for your chair as well. In addition, depending on wiring, you might want to install an EMI filter to reduce line noise/interference. Finally, you might want to change/add other items to your platform which will raise costs in addition to the racing cockpit you decide to go with.
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I love your videos! Is this replacing your DOF Reality rig? I just got my P6 in the mail so I'm a little bummed I won't be benefiting as much from all the legwork you did for us on your own P6, but I think it's great you got this upgrade. It looks like it has more range of motion and maybe also smoother than the P6. My P6 can be quite jerky, I will work on balancing as soon as I can, but I think this is just the nature of the hexapod system.
I still have my DOF Reality platform and will continue to create, update, and video tunings for my P6. :) This will be a second platform that allows me to create motion profiles for actuator platforms. Let me know if you have questions on tuning for the P6, and be sure to join the Sim Racing Studio Discord channel here: discord.gg/w3eGXTP7
@@SimMotionTuning I got the P6 for flight sims, but I got a taste of racing and I'm worried I might be hooked. Thanks for the Discord invite, I joined.