Deadly In The Mountains: Building a SHTF Battle Rifle
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- čas přidán 20. 04. 2024
- What's most important in a battle rifle? Caliber? Reliability? Long range accuracy? In this video, I'll demonstrate in the real world what we often get wrong, and why you don't need a $5,000 rifle to be deadly.
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Ah, the things you can do in the Free States
And also in a free country. 😢
Tell me about it! Here in Hawaii, NO NFA items at all, and 10rnd handgun mag limit. And they are trying to ban all the fun stuff we are “allowed” to have currently. FML. If I didn’t have deep roots here, I’d sell all my properties move in a heartbeat! Aloha 🤙🏽
@@EeZ3-808 none of us have deep roots, brother. It's only how it appears, feels and based on memory. Our original colonists has deep roots, per se, in England. They still got on the boats and did the freedom adventure. Hundreds of years later, they are all dead. They lived. Try it.
You need to move to Idaho. 😊
@@Alaska610ish one of the few states I rank even higher than my own 👍🇺🇲❤️💪
OK so here we go....I spent 17 years in combat arms units and worked as a PMC for two years and this is literally the best video I have ever seen. FINALLY someone is saying this out loud what I have been trying to tell people for years.....learn to fight in the mountains 35-50 yards contact range. I hardly ever respond to these videos because they are usually filled with hot garbage and flashy BS that will get you smoked in the woodline. Master the basics, learn how to run Irons, ruck in the mounatins, condition your feet and back, basic land nav, hand and arm signals, know the terrain where you will fight.....where are the choke points, where can you get fresh water, and practice basic infantry tactics that will save your ass if / when shit goes bad. No you don't need a new piston driven rig with a 2k ATACR, an $800 battle belt, and a pistol with a $700 red dot to drive around in yourt 70K Tacoma overland bug out rig. That shit is all fine and dandy for the 13 people ( all who have books, movies, and will gladly tell you they shot Bin Laden in the face) in the world that can afford it and actually have the time behind it and skill set to run it. That shit is icing on the cake but if your basics are a steaming fukn chud all the icing in the world will not help you. None of what this man said is flashly, instgram worthy, or exciting....but I assure you it will save your life. A solid carbine, a primary and secondary aiming system, sling and a light is all you need, chest rig to carry 3 mags and one in the gun, you want to spend extra money on something go buy a 460 round case of MK262 MOD-1C and just wait for shit to pop off. Ok, jesus Im done now my fukn head hurts.....do yourself a favor take a knee, drink water and subscribe! Outstanding video you!!
Amen Brother!
As an old infantry grunt I try to tell people the same thing but everyone thinks they are going to spend 3k on a rifle , take some carbine courses and now they are deadly war fighters lol.
@@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 lol exactly
You are absolutely spot on! And I know 50yr old dudes in flannel shirts and 7mm remy bolt guns that will smoke all the tactards out there. Basics basics basics.
@@seagray5727 Thats right!!
Twelve years in the Navy as a mechanic. Got out in '09. No combat. Carried an M9 or an M11 in Kuwait that I barely knew how to use. Qualified sharpshooter, though, for whatever that's worth. I only got into guns about 10 years ago. First ones: M&P15, M&P40 and Mossberg 500. I fell for every trap, gimmick, fad and goofy-ass gadget for the first couple of years. Then I got into training. Joined a militia (a real one, not those crazy ones). Tore up some gear. Learned a few things: Tritium sights are stupid - especially when they're new. Observers can see a bright green, glowing hip moving through the trees. Condor gear is actually pretty decent. M81 Woodland is the best pattern. Every Camelbak is sloshy. QD sling swivels are noisy. Empty mags in a dump pouch are NOISY. Double-stack AK mag pouches on the front of a chest rig turns you into a see-saw when prone. A 5-25x scope in the woods is almost useless. There's no such thing as QD batteries if your dot dies at a bad time. Prisms! Prisms! Prisms! A2/A3 iron sights are NOT outdated. Wear clear safety glasses when patrolling through the woods at night. There's nothing tactical about Velcro. Red lights are your friend and white lights are not useless. Dudes who are all running 5.56 or 7.62X39 stick together and make better teams. The Creedmoors, Blackouts and 22LRs stay at camp. Gear commonality always wins.
Lastly. PSA, Aero, Primary are all good. Everything from every company can break. I love ACOGs, but I'll stick with my PA 1x prism/3x mag.
Thx
I agree about the Velcro, and prefer zippers, but it’s hard to find pants that don’t have Velcro, but I’ll keep looking!
You should start a blog or your own CZcams channel. That’s real world experience that would save people money and maybe save their life.
And I second Kenneth lol
@@justinmc9287I totally agree with 300BO. I'm a fan of it. Essentially full parts-compatibility, subs with can and supers, good performance while still being compact... Can't go wrong.
Just to add. You also are not going to engage in extended contact. It's going to be shoot and scoot.
In theatre downrange if your fighting in the military with all kinds of assets on your side 100%. But if it’s just you or a couple of battle buddies in the US, avoiding conflict is ideal. I’d only engage if presented no other choice or to scare an oncoming enemy element away from my land. Man, I wish I had an 18 Delta as a neighbor!
Guerilla warfare has been the American way since it was founded.
"Get off the flatland and get into some terrain"...StokFucious
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I’m on a fixed income being on disability due to a fubar back and work PT. I built a budget friendly PSA AR and added vortex micro red dot & a vortex magnifier. Yea I do have a good STAG AR with an Eotch & all kitted out but you can build a budget friendly AR for $600-$700 with a good magnifier & red dot that’ll work.
Yes you can, I did, also a Windham Machine and a DPMS panther. All good no more to add. Letter rip sir.
@@MrCobb-rq8iv-You can even successfully problem solve out to distance with irons if you know what your doing. As long as it’s reliable, you know your dope like the back of your hand you’ll be all squared away. Paul Howe in the Mogadishu battle in ‘93 used only irons and he was a machine that put a hurting on those bastards. Your the weapon the rifle is just the tool.
The way I see it with a nice .556 build, it's all about your choice in barrel brand and trigger.
My AR cost me around 1.7k to build using a CMMG upper/handguard/delta ring kit, FN CHF 14.7" barrel/BCG, BCM gas block/tube/FSB, Surefire WarCOMP PRO muzzle device (pin&welded), extended charge handle, and a Aimpoint PRO for a optic.
It's all sittin' on top of a Franklin Armory bfsiii binary lower.
I say this rig would make a great patrol/duty/battle rifle and built to handle extreme use
What’s your build list
Totally agree. I think PSA is the best budget-option. I prefer the Monstrum magnifier over the Vortex, tho
My poor man’s 300 blkout build is my go to home defense tool. Also in the deep thick woods a short compact weapon that can shoot both subs and supers is pretty versatile
It's refreshing to see a credible voice selling common sense solutions and barely even mentioning brands. THIS is the right way of thinking. Thank you. Your tactical approach is spot on as well.
How is he credible this dude has never been in a combat arms mos, he was signal for 15 years, and a mp in the marine corps…
@@RedForman22 he's obviously not the authority on the matter. But for $25 you can buy a book and read the doctrines of any discipline. Every Marine I've ever met can shoot and knows the basics. He's credible. Not the authority.
Fwiw, every Marine is combat ready out of training, regardless of MOS
@@ManInTheWoods76 yeah sure lol just like every soldier is too haha
@@ManInTheWoods76 dude was in the marine corps in the mid 90s so it’s irrelevant, then he built trains for 10 plus years so I’m sure he stayed combat ready lol
I have hunted for 40 years in the hills of Southern Indiana that looks a lot like the land you are on. I would say that 200 yards is about the max in the woods, but only in the late fall or winter. And that is under full canopy old growth timber with open understory. If you have beach trees in the area cut that in half. Spring and summer its about 50 yards, as you said. If that canopy has been opened up in the last 10 years its more like 20 yards of visibility if that. The issue here is farm fields, you can step out into a field and see 600 yards (when crops are harvested). However if you find a collapse of that system of farming in the future, those fields will be the thickest tangle of weeds you will ever find. Over your head in height within in a year or two.
I agree with you that the Standard AR calibers are the best, and you don't need a high dollar gun. But would add that a good suppressed 10/22 may be the most useful firearm you could own in a woodland setting. It's weak on defensive work but the bee's knees for foraging, and storing ammo. The combo of that and a 300BO is about perfect for a 2 person team. Great Video.
16" 5.56 rifle with a Variable powered optic and BUIS with a flashlight can handle 90% of scenarios. Anything beyond 300 meters if you're lucky enough to see them before they see you gives you the opportunity to move away from that threat. I live in the southwest desert and do have some distance shooting available but you are right in that when the target is moving it is a whole different ballgame. Train for everything you can and then train some more. Master the basics and you will be deadly enough to survive most situations.
I also own a 300 blkout and it is a very good tool for close range work. It is a more deadly round but not as available or prominent in the wild. Great video!
The idea that in a scenario of the SHTF variety that you would be in a major engagement beyond 300 is funny. There is no hospital or trauma flight or cavalry coming to your aid. You need to break contact and run...hasty ambush...run and repeat until you are out of reach and then hope you're not being chased by dogs and thermals.
I always tell my friends, spend more time at 5-25 yards than you do at 100-200 yards. Also, one thing you touched on but should be talked about more is physical conditioning. Spend more outside, walk at least 2 miles a day. Be physically prepared to defend yourself because shooting skills are a small piece of it.
I live in the Appalachia mtns. I work at the LGS, You are absolutely correct about a good majority of shooters buying the long range rifles/optics/chamberings. I say all the time "why? We're in handgun and carbine country".
A bit more distance during the winter, but the rest of the year when the trees are fully leafed out, we're looking at a long shot being 50yds +/-.
Great video.
By the way, anyone notice the copperhead in the dead leaves by the target?
I have a high Daniel Defense AR15 with an ACOG has been outstanding. Built a PSA Mid length with Holosun AEMS. All rifles have BUIS because Mr. Murphy loves to show up even with proven equipment. I also have a the latest Primary Arms latest 3x prism to for PSA which has been reliable in many scenarios including training in the rain.
I agree 100% with your training philosophy. One thing I don’t see many training shooting from cover in different positions and in the rain. Weather can test how well your gear will work.
And, regarding taking longer shots. True of you are in the woods. But, if SHTF while you are driving on the interstate, that magnification will help to identify targets and make precision shots so you don’t blow thru ammo like many CZcamsrs do with shot timers. Keep up the great content!
I used to live in SC and you are spot on . The hardest part hing is to keep the noise down with all them leaves , you can hear further mostly than see. I live out west now and the game is different you can see for miles but some one could hide within 50 yds in the sage brush. Binoculars are more important than a Gucci rifle. Nice work 🙏🏼
Those shots were so slow, you were able to run down and film the hits! Incredible!
Great video and makes me happy knowing I am building similar capabilities.
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I've loved watching the progression of your channel! Started watching your channel to pass the E5 Board, Then to stay up to date on Army Changes, and now I'm right along with you in your Preparedness and Freedom videos. I ETS In a year, and your channel has great info and motivates me to get out and live a more prepared and self-sufficient lifestyle.
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I live in the woods as well. my last three deer shots were 50 Yards, 20 yards and 80 yards across a small meadow. He's absolutely right. Your engagements will be close...it also means that they might not see you and walk right on by.
Really depends where you live. All deer I’ve shot in the Sierra Nevada have wide open ranges. Nothing less than 300 yards in my experience
I have an M4A1 with an EOTECH... It's a lot of fun to work steel targets from 50 to 400 yd with that rifle. Stupid easy out to 300 yd. We have a awesome rifle range here in North Carolina with a lot of rolling hills... However no trees to deal with but not necessarily considered a flat range.
$420 SKS, $600 AK47 and $1000 FN FAL. Never needed more in Rhodesia, Never contacted beyond 100m, mostly 5m to 50m, cheers.
PSA 15
Lmao interesting cause those all cost alot more now.
All of those rifles will cost more than a decent AR these days.
Throw a red dot on a zastava and forgetabout it... or bring plenty of lube for that .223 and pray the brush is thin! @darlsbarkley3493
That's the thing with the 223, if you are in dense bush, it's an issue, the AK and FN FAL doesn't have that issue.
Well said,I know that hill 😆 it ain't no joke.
Your spot on about the AO not requiring a multi thousand dollar platform, Reliability and practice is everything.
The Appalachia has little need for long range scopes or long range platforms,Im liking the 2x dot but have a dmr upper ready with 13x and 20"223 wylde if needed.
That’s why I hunt with a 45-70. The woods I hunt in look like yours, even in the city most will be close shots.
Sure as fck don't want to get hit by one those. 🤣
I like this. Im from the north-east and its very similar to where you are. Me and my boys, or "team" are pretty much low budget, but I can guarantee we can put some work in the ranges that we do have. Everything is mostly 150 yards and in. Ive been tossing around the 300 bl, idea because of this and this just justified that. Appreciate the knowledge!
Videos like this are refreshing because they are rare with all the CZcams show offs that make fantasy videos just to get likes and always portray totally unrealistic scenarios and effects in engagements. Most engagements are much shorter than most realize (unless you’ve been in them downrange) but it’s here at home it’s different because you can’t radio in assets or air support. No QRF. It’s not flashy or fancy.
There is no such thing as “advanced shooting” it’s only the basics and fundamentals mastered at a high level on demand. Master the basics with constant dry practice and always confirm your dry practice with live fire, and always check on your zero, and confirm your zero at distance (which most guys are too lazy or don’t have the facilities to do). If you don’t confirm your zero at distance you’re playing Russian roulette IMO.
I agree with you. I’ve always based my hunting in the south on this concept also. Hundred yards or less. Great info gunny. Keep it up.
Stoker always always always with the honest truth. Damn this is so great.
You Sir are a breath of fresh air with every video you put out. God Bless.
There are a few areas around me that are cleared but mostly pine and hardwood trees and brush, similar to what you showed. I do have a bolt gun for my spot looking down the road, roughly 3/4 mile line of sight. But surrounding my home the best you can see is a 100 yds. In your video the camera view looked farther than 50m , but the camera can lie and looking downhill will fool u.
Thanks for your work, appreciate it
Yeah I guessed 75. Camera makes it weird but I knew by experience it wasn't longer than 100
I love your take on this. And as all of my AR platforms are relatively high-end, I purchased more high-end stuff for thinking about the longevity of my firearms if I have to take them with me in the woods when SHTF, I want them to stay reliable for as long as possible. So it's not just the expensive stuff to make a more precise shot but what you are saying is absolutely true. Great video
As someone that lives in the mountains in Tennessee this is spot on. My primary rifle is just a holo with a magnifier because it fits every function I need for my surroundings.
Love it here in East Tennessee too. Many places when the leaves are on I can't see 50 yards away.
Thank you, Stoker!🙏🏽🤘🏽🔫🗡️
Just a man , his dog & his rifle .. simplicity doesn’t get much better than that 💯
What length barrel is that if you don’t mind me asking ?
Best video I have seen in a while. Thanks for dropping knowledge. I am into my rifle with a solid red dot, solid light for around $1400. I need a can and I am saving up for that. You don’t need a 5K rifle and $15k worst of NVG’s and a ton of kit to be deadly in a rural environment and even in most urban environments. I wish I lived in a state that wasn’t soo flat and I wasn’t in such a densely populated area. Thanks for the knowledge.
Great advice. Thanks. I'm still trying to find my battle rifle. Don't have a real good one yet.
PALMETTO STATE ARMORY BEAR CREEK ARSENAL MONSTRUM REFLEX OR SHAKE AWAKE RED DOT, OR LPVO. PALMETTOSTATEARMORY FOR REAL AMMO, AND CHEAPER. Wait on their sales, 5.56, 300 blackout, and Palmetto will now be producing reasonably priced sabre tip 7.62x39
This isn't a popular opinion but you can find good bolt guns for under $300 with a good optic at pawn shops. PSA has some good options as well. You can never go wrong with a lever action in 30-30 but they're pricey, even the rough and rusty ones are $400 and higher.
of course great video! To keep my package light I use a quality 4x32 rifle scope, saves nearly .5 lb of carry weight And more light gathering for low light circumstances. I tried a red dot only for deer hunting a couple of years ago. It was great, looked cool. Then dusk came. Under the hardwood and pine canopy I could not see squat. Yes, I had both eyes open, squat.
I love my ACOG TA31. Yes it’s old tech, but it’s built like a tank and light as hell!
Great video. My first was DPMS 5.56. Loved it. Research a little more and moved to 6.8 SPC II.
no need for 300 or 308.
6.8 is a 400 to 600 meters killer at best. Accuracy is not an issue. It's also a Daniel Defense rifle to make it Totally a dependable gun. 🎉🎉🎉
I see several comments about opting for 5.56 instead to get that longer distance. The great thing about the 300 blackout is you can EASILY stow your 4lb 16" 5.56 upper with the LPVO in your pack. Literally pop out 2 pins and swap uppers and a quick mag change. Run 20 round mags for the 300 BO and 30 round mags for your 5.56 for safety. Run a 30 cal can and you can even use the same can on both uppers.
People act like 300blk is only good for 50m shots but i've been pushing 110-120gr ammo up to 450m for alittle over a year now. Its a great caliber but its less understood.
Yeah but the problem with 300 is that it’s much less common than 556. Once you run out of ammo for your Blackout you’re picking someone else’s gun up. 9mm and 556 are the optimal SHTF ammo types because damn near everyone has it. 5.7, 5.45, 30 calibers, etc aren’t really feasible. It’s not sustainable.
@@trentenloe3186man by the time that .300 hits me at 450 yards I’ll be eating dinner! Just kidding. I’d love to hear the delay from shot to impact though!
That's my set up but with a 12.5" 5.56. It fits in my pack nicely. 5.56 is for when I'm working as part of a team and we all have 5.56.
@SlimHadey you don't reload? .300 blk lets you use .30 cal bullets in 5.56 casings. You can pull bullets from AK, .30-06, .300 win mag, 7.62x54, etc... and load them into 5.56 casings.
A .300 blk upper should be in every serious rifleman kit.
And if you don't reload, make friends with someone who does.
Just finished the video. Thanks, you just changed my whole thought process on what I ACTUALLY need. Can’t wait until I can buy one. Until then, I will keep learning and learning. Thanks Bill.
Thank You For Sharing ! Excellent Advice !
I live in Canada, so our choices are severely limited. There are a couple of Canadian manufactures making 180 variants which are.. not so good. My go to at the moment is a SKS. Old as sin but works.
Still a great battle/hunting/sport rifle.
I'd be happy and would trust it with my life if it's all I got
In Canada I would probably go for a Tikka 308 with a 1 - 8 optic.
way better than throwing rocks lol
If you get a kodiak and do some work on it yourself you'll find they're very reliable. If you can get your hands on a TNA lower for the original wk180 and an original wk180 upper, get the brass bushing and install it, change the buffer tube and stock and buffer plate to something serious, get a better handguard and it's actually a serious rifle. Ive got about 3-4k rounds on mine and the only issues I've had were the firing pin retention pin JUST broke on me last time i went shooting but its a symptom of my return springs getting weak because I've used it a lot. Replace the springs and the pin takes a minute, these are normal parts breakages over use. Ive also had the roll pin that holds the extractor in place snap causing intermittent bolt issues but I also immediately replaced the part and it ran excellent. Piston breakages are a problem that is induced by the shooter, who attempts to take apart his gun and rebuilt it incorrectly. The piston must freely move when installed properly. If you're even a little bit offset it with explode. You have to slowly tighten the bolts for the gas block and continuously verify that the piston can move freely with even low pressure, it should be able to move while lubed with just your index and thumb lightly pressing on it. It also stays remarkably clean due to the piston setup instead of the DI set up.
IMHO, the SKS is the perfect SHTF tool...
I wish I had trees or cover in my environment. I'm in one of the few places where that longer range capability, especially regarding PID, is actually relevant. And, it has actually begun to become more apparent from leaving the flat range. North Dakota is desolate. It's the end of April and my trees still don't have leaves. The only cover is farm equipment. However, I still appreciated this advice and thought process.
my battle rife is an Ruger 556 AR with a 1x8 Bushnell 1X8 LVPO an a tactical light. I may have $1200 in the whole set up and it runs great. I also live in the southeast and you are correct about engagement or contact distances. for me my battle rifle is for anything from 200 yards (fields, farms, and clear cut) and anything inside that. I hunt in the southeast as well and with our woods you are spot on with distances and line of sight. likely if I have targets beyond 200 yards I feel that gives me the advantage to change my location and elude the targets. great video
A battle rifle is 308. A 5.56 isn't a battle rifle
My go to is the LMT Estonia reference rifle with a 4x32 ACOG. Just waiting on warmer weather to put a rattle can paint job on it..Nice thing about it being piston driven it stays clean!!!
I agree with you on distance in the woods. But since we are talking about being lethal. I think I’ll stick with 556 or 7.62x51. Only because if things do go south, most of the folks I run with use those calibers. Plus I can not say wooded areas is where I’ll always be. There are several places in my area that have been cleared for farming and ranching. So getting to the thick woods is going to be a task for most in my area. But you do make a solid point.
this may blow some guys minds, but me and my m1 Bullseye carbine do quite well in the woods! I set up cans strewn about the landscape and go for a stroll. Bang bang bro!
M1 carbine is soo easy to carry too.
PNW rain forest, between the terrain, trees, undergrowth, not only are you not making the longshot, you are probably not using the radio either.
As always, excellent content.
So true!
I have a Frankengun, it started out life as a M&P15, I bought it around 2008. Since that time I have spent some money to upgrade just about everything. Right now I have replaced the BCG, trigger group, buffer spring and tube. In the last few months I changed out the entire upper, it now has a PSA upper housing, a FN barrel, and Geissele gas system and rail. With all of what I had done to this rifle, I have a great grouping at 50 and 100 meters. All said, I probably have maybe 1200-1400 into this rifle over that last decade. The best part of using an AR platform, these things can be modified by anyone.
Yep it all depends on your environment. If you're one of those mid west boys you might wanna spend the money. As for me out here in Penn's Woods, visibility is 50 meters at best.
Yes! Out in the desert, too, long range sniping has its place.
Definitely here in the Penn’s Woods mountains it gets thick very soon
Even in the deserts of my youth I don’t think I would advocate it. Certainly not for everyone, and certainly not for a “battle rifle”. But - good food for thought
You make some good points sir! My primary shtf gun is my vepr rpk. Despite what ppl say she is very accurate. 50yds 5 shot group all in one hole with irons and barnaul ammo. Back up is my C7a2 clone both in my profile pic.
Love the video thanks for the content and your knowledge
1SG Bill Stoker ( USMC and US Army, Ret. ) : The videos that You Yourself put out are , overall , good to go, chocked up with practice, experience, and common sense. However, I Myself, prefer to watch Your Videos , with a few selected other CZcams Channels, as well as old fashioned reading and research , as well as Training, when I Myself AM NOT working as a Construction Laborer , relying on what Both the Marine Corps and Army taught Me. Semper Fidelis and This We'll Defend, Top Kick. SGT Rodriguez, Amen and Roger Out.
100 yards shots hunting is common sometimes more and lots more less. , but I seen were someone mentioned Penns woods, there are still long range hunters that shoot mountain to mountain, they sit glassing all day. There is no one size fits all when u get to optics, but caliber if u can shoot long range then u can shootshort range . Know your ballistics for the caliber.
I am in the mountains of Idaho. And yes, across canyon shots are likely. Through the woods, where the forest service have done prescribed burns, 250 yds is possible. AR 15 AND an AR 10 for elk
I've been in Idaho and you can see a mile or you can see a yard. Just depends on how stupid your quarry is. Sadly for me the bears weren't dumb enough to make it a mile. Except for one I saw moving too fast.
Worst part of taking a long shot, is going to get your meat.
excellent
Just started building my first cheap AR, bought an Anderson stripped lower. PSA magpul lower parts kit and a charging handle and bcg so far I’m in around, $280. Now for the upper and some stuff on it see how much it puts me up in price. Appreciate the video!
Smith & Wesson AR sport 2 with a DD Dagger Defense and a sling. With this, I use the 1974 Chinese type 56 chest rig and a Chinese Chicom type 56 magazine holder. All of those cost me less than $700.
I live in semi-rural MI where there are lot of woods and farm fields
BCM 14.5”
EXPS3 with qd 3x magnifier
BUIS
Scout light
Suppressor
2 point sling
Love it. Excellent lesson
Good info and glad to here it. Keep it simple.
I have a couple setups that I train with consistently: a 16" AR with LPVO and a 12"AR with red dot, both with suppressors. Since I live in Arizona, the mountains don't have the same vegetation that you have shown in your video. For that reason, I think me feasible shots are longer than what you've discussed. If I am in the city/urban, I would go with my shorter AR, which I also have a 3x magnifier to slap on if needed.
Appreciate the honesty. Too many of the younger generation are being misled and taught incorrectly about how things work in the "real world". The one outside of a cell phone or tv screen. It would probably surprise many to learn that a lot of folks are able to, and regularly take deer and fill the freezer with nothing more than a 357 or 44 or 10mm handgun/pistol calibers. If you are in an area where you are "close range" that can get handgun shots, you don't need a fricken' cannon to hunt with. Good luck trying to shoot a deer at 18 yards from a tree stand with a 20x scope with that 338. All you'll see is a big tan blur in your optic. Listen to this guy. He's spot on with the area in which he and I lives.
Yep, feel the same way
My crew and I shoot in Appalachia, terrain similar to what you see. Loved the video, and suggestion about moving and getting off the flat range. Next inbound with the .300, the plan is to move! Missed the distance by 50 meters, probably misjudged the steps and time. Yo!
“You’re never gonna see 600m…”
Walks outside in western Oklahoma… and sees 3 miles in all directions. Yeah, I get it. It’s not the mountains. The point is not everywhere that we will need to defend/seek refuge is in the mountains. Even the Ozarks in Oklahoma can go from 50m shots to 4-500. Spent time in the Rockies. Very realistic to have both short and long range engagements.
That said, my setup isn’t much different. Cheap receiver set, 8.5” 300blk, light, small RDS, and a can. But I also have its bigger brother. 16” 30hate on a heavy receiver set with a middle of the road 4-12x optic.
Amen brother low cost arms are OK to beat around in the boonies.i bought a Anderson 5.56 Tasco red dot from the 90s irons and a stream light mini . It's dependable and accurate. Thanks so much I have learned so much from your channel. God bless you and your family. Ed in west Virginia.
i like my vepr 5.45 with 21inch barrel. It's great for close combat and it can reach out to 900 meters with the 7n6 stuff.
I keep the 50/200 zero. Super adequate here in rural NH full of trees, cliffs, thick deadfalls, different heights, etc.
A 10/22 does well in the woods. Not as lethal but light, concealable, and quiet.
Man ,please . .22 has its uses but no. I'll stick with my 300 blackout.
@@vittoriovuocolo2438 Good luck finding ammo
Have fun trying to carry 500 rounds of Blackout. Or thousands of rounds haha.
@@wasntme3651why tf would you be carrying that many rounds in a shtf scenario? Max youll carry is 5 mags.
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If you’re in that situation and let’s say your spot gets got and you have to go. The first thing most people are gonna grab is their weapon and their ammo imo. In that scenario have fun trying to take 500 or more rounds. Regardless of who or where you are if there was a total collapse you would have to leave and move on from where you are eventually.
Liked this one alot. I'm just not into the land nav ones as much but I was never in the military or unknown areas so thinking on that more.
Land navigation is a super fun rabbit hole to go down. It’s not for everyone, I get that, but it’s a good idea to have some knowledge about it in my opinion. Aloha 🤙🏽
Absolutely. Good advice.
Nailed it.
Thank you!!
Thank you!!
I'm currently building a .300 BLK suppressed pistol. Ballistic Advantage upper and modern series 10.5" barrel, and planning on putting a Law Tactical folding stock on my lower. Already got my Rugged Razor 7.62 suppressor...
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I in Arizona where hunting is a mix of dense brush, pines and flat deserts. I have built several rifle / shot gun combinations that I use in different vegetation and brush for effectiveness with my shooting lane distances. In the high country juniper flats its not uncommon to take shots at large game pushing that 1000 yard barrier and in the same design country use a shotgun to pop coyotes at 30 yards or a rifle for 200 yard coyotes that get hunt up. The AR platform I used before my bolt gun had a 4-12 vortex scope but I think a LPVO 1-6x would preform better for the lower end magnification over a holographic. because those yotes could charge in at 20 yards or get hung up at 300. I Like what you're showing in the thicker brush and denser forest. This landscape, for specifically hunting, bows definitely fit the visibility / shooting distance very well. In this thick forest its hard to find areas where you can see critters that are too far to shoot with a bow.
12.5” 300 Blackout, Primary Arms 1-6 scope with 300BLK BDC , offset holosun 508T red dot, Modlite 18650 light, Dead Air Wolfman. I live up in the hills of upstate SC. It’s heavily wooded and the odds of me ever taking a shot past 125 yards is slim to none in my terrain. I’d say 50-75 yards is more likely. The 1-6x scope is more for identifying a target if needed. Usually it stays parked on 3x. Though I have been considering switching to an EOTECH or red dot with a magnifier.
Great video, I agree with your thoughts I speak to my family and other partners. And we have this same argument. Many think battle will be fought great long range. Crazy I thought you were a little farther than fifthly. But I could not here the first rounds until they hit the buckets
Finally a no nonsense, common sense video! Thank you! I bought all budget stuff for my go to rifle! PSA Lower, BCM blem upper w/BCM 8“ hand guard 8.5” PSA barrel sb brace and a holo sun red dot with magnifier, in .300 B/O haven’t gotten my suppressor yet, looking at a yhm resonator 2! It’s not top of the line but it’s all solid stuff. It suits me just fine!
Good video. I will subscribe. Keep up in the videos, brother.
Correct my brother. In the tactical tracking classes we run we stalk within 20 meters undetected to the hostile. In our region woodland you do good to visually reach beyond 35 to a hidden threat. Conducting range of detection measurements in your environment prior to deploying changes the game and tactics. Whether looking for lost persons or apprehending or eliminating threats, SAR tactics meets Tactical operations meets success afield. Stay safe my brother!!
This is great advice…for Americans and any others who have access to affordable and reliable AR pattern rifles. Where I am, CZ Bren 2 has been my go to, due to the lack of reliable semi auto rifles. 300 blackout will be possible with the Bren thanks to some companies that are providing barrels and other parts. Sadly, no suppressors.
You speak the truth and I wish more people would understand this instead of falling for all the BS online. Well done and thank you.
Where I'm at it's a mix of woods and open areas, no mountains. So I'm running a 16" 5.56. Wouldn't mind getting a 14.5" though.
At the farthest I'm probably 5-600 yards. If I was still in TN I'd be in the same boat with you.
I built a $2000 rifle for $1100 shopping sales. It’s a 14.5 and I live in the west. We can see a long way out here and when we go out and train, my group of friends are pretty good at the distances we would be shooting animals at. Great video, you don’t need the $4k rifle. One of the guys in the group shoots an old bushmaster with irons and he might be the best shot among us.
I’m in central California and all we have here is open land for a hour and a half in all directions all ranges are indoor except 1 and it maxes out at 50 yards
Solid video, I'm of the same mind with everything you touched on.
10.5 Noveske, Dead Air Sandman S, Aimpoint T2, surefire scout light, basic setup. I live where if I go right for 5 minutes I am in the city, if I go left for 5 minutes I can see hundreds of yards of rolling hills and farms. So I keep a 14.5 URGI Upper that is getting a 1-8. It has a surefire RC2 and an Eotech currently.
I’m currently running a Mossberg MVP Patrol in 5.56x45. Bolt action less to going on to fail
i'd rather still pick an AR over a bolt if they're the same caliber.
That’s all Canadians can have, lol. No one chooses a bolt action over a good semi auto rifle.
I also live in N GA.
10.3" ballistic advantage 300 with Omega 300 supp.
Impossible to know direction on subs, & would be quite hard with supers as well.
Love your content - started watching after i binged the first SERE Challenge with Grunt Proof.
So few people ever think the 300 is good for anything but CQB/home defense.
Grand Thumb has a short where he's sitting in cover with a 300 being shot over him, & he says he doesn't know what he would do bc the only sound is the bullet flying over.
I am so glad to finally see someone that understands my backyard & that I'm not in the open desert of Texas or Arizona.
Thank you for this video...I will be contacting you about some 1 on 1 training shortly.
Thank you for taking your time to make these videos.
God bless you.
I watch yours & GP videos over & over. I know how painful it is to not have your buddy there following you around, & causing mischief off screen. I lost my best friend at the end of last year that followed me everywhere. Seeing Riggs reminds me of my companion Duke. Thank you for everything you have done for our country, & the ways you continue to serve through education here.
Nice rifle. Great video, Stoker.
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Acog with rmr is my preference 4x magnification. It let's me see through the trees and I.D. targets.
But as I'm in the mountains as well, and well aware of the engagement distances in these hills, long range is also very viable as well. I'm in PA, and we have our many farms spread out through the lands here, also roads and highways, and when shit spills out, long distances engagements will be necessary as well. Look at our own war of independence, the preferred fighting longarm of professional armies was the musket due to it's quick loading, but the long rifle decimated them in engagements like Lexington/Concord when we could accurately engage them where their muskets had little effect, not to mention it was a rolling ambush on their retreat to Boston as well...
Absolutely. This is where you need to know and manage what is likely for YOUR particular situation and area. There is no universal guideline for choosing a weapon. You have to choose what works for where you are.
Yeah I’ve never understood the allure to the really long range focus. I know there are places that you can reach out that far but it’s certainly not that common around the places I hang out in. It’s always left me wondering what it was that I was missing that others seemed to understand.
We jad some youth come out yesterday with some 3 LMT's. psa, ruger. W.ehad them making hits out to 300 yards. 600 yards is max around here. The psa and ruger went down and the ruger we couldn't get going again. I brought out a home build at $445 and it was doing everything just as well as the LMT 's .
Depends on each environment naturally,.up north here we have various,short,mid, and long, depends on what scenario arises in my case
In the mtns of TN were i live in the spring ,summer and fall your lucky to get 100yard shots. In the winter time you can reach out to 200 or so but with tree limbs and bushes they are super iffy shots at best!
X95 very short with the 16 inch barrel. Good for even inside the car and can even use on longer range of several hundred meters. 3X optic on top. Snap shooting at anything under 200m shots are good.
I live in the rocky mountain west and we do see little valleys like your in and huge open spaces all right next to each other so its a bit more complicated, but still, I think focusing on the 0-150 is really want is most important. if something is 400-600+ yards away, its probably better to avoid/ evade than engage anyways.
I'm glad someone in the 2A space is saying this. I've had issues with all the gucci gear, etc. being touted by the big guys. It's cool an all, but didn't seem practical in a lot of scenarios. It's a larger conversation than for the comment section of CZcams for sure, but I'm happy to hear I'm not crazy for wondering about what you "need" in most scenarios. Also, I've been wanting to get a .300BLK upper and you're not helping things Stoker... ;)
Well said and agree, too much BS out there saying you X, Y and Z to survive
Poor person cope
Got a couple setups depending on situations I use 458 socom suppressed for the situation in woods and clearing apartment buildings
Dude, im probably finally getting old. but I mounted a 1-8x24 lpvo on my 5.56. Yeah I know, but it helps me even at 100 yards get quick hits. It's probably just me.
Great video.
2x zoom is cracked, its like cheating with an lpvo.
@sa-amirel-hayeed699 Rule #2 of a gun fight, CHEAT
My battle rifle is a M1A I bought with my enlistment bonus, I was gonna buy an AR but my shipmate talked me out of it. Glad I made the decision I did because they are way more expensive now and ARs are cheaper then back then. I only listened to the video and I guessed 150, based on the shot to time on target. Those 300 blackouts must not be moving very fast.
about the same mv as a 30-30 with the 123-125 bullets.
77gr IMI 5.56...good stuff brother!