Amazing footage that I’ve never seen before either. Makes me think that if some of this footage was smuggled out after the cancellation what other secrets were taken south?
Hi Neonred, this video has been out there for a long time. I love the comments. The Avro Arrow is about 33 feet longer than the F18. Her main role was an interceptor to keep the Russian bombers from flying over Canada and attacking not just us, but the USA. Back in 1958 when these aircraft were being tested, they were setting records by climbing to 43,000 feet at 1,000 mph. These Arrows you see were the 1st generation, RL201 to RL205, and were powered by the Pratt & Whitney J75 engines of the time a less powerful engine, but it showed just how aerodynamic this aircraft was. It wasn't just cutting the air, she was slicing it. The next generation RL206, which was slightly bigger still, and up at that time would have had the New Canadian-built Orenda PS13 Iroquois engines with almost doubling the power. For her time, she was a powerhouse. Just too bad she was canceled by the Canadian government on February 20th, 1959. ** And just so you know, Pratt & Whitney brought out the J79 engines a few years later that was in and around the same output as the Iroquois**
Oh I know, I've forgotten more then I know now about the Arrow. I met Jan Zurokowski when I was about 10, he was friends of my grandparents. I also had the opportunity to participate in a 'Wings and Wheels' event in Toronto in 2006 or '07. Their 1:1 scale model was parked nose to nose with an F-18. The size difference was remarkable. (I took pics but I'm not sure which hard drive they're on...)
@@Neonred1967 Amazing, and congratulations on meeting Mr. Zurokowski. I was in England when 203 made its big debut. I am sure you are aware then that RL203 was finally saved from being outside at Pearson a few years ago, and is now a Star on display at Edenvale Aerodrome in Stayner ON. just west of Barrie.
@@Neonred1967 That is awesome again. A lot of people call 203 a Replica, it is actually termed a Model. There is so much still out there from when the Arrow was canceled, and my company would be interested in finding more such as this find to keep on our records.
A couple of interesting shots here: @08:28 - the borrowed SAC TB-47B Stratojet bomber, USAF serial number 51-2059 (designated CL-52) with the Orenda PS.13 Iroquois hanging off it's rear RHS fuselage. This aircraft was used for in-flight testing of the Iroquois, racking up 31hrs of engine test time before project cancellation. @13:25 - Aircraft 201 post-rotation 'flying off' the runway, rather than using elevator forces to pull it off. Test pilot Spud Potocki stated that gentle back-pressure on the stick was applied at 130kts, bringing the nose up to ~5 degrees. That attitude was held until the aircraft left the ground at ~165kts & positive rate was realized. Any attempt to horse the airplane into the sky resulted in the aircraft settling back down onto the wheels, as lift was lost by additional elevator deflection. Interesting to note that the climb rate is increased just as the landing gear is retracted, to avoid the 200kt Vlo limitation. Great clips - thanks for posting.
footage I have never seen before. I can never see enough of that magnificent plane. Thanks for sharing.
That first scene with the ground personnel readying 201 for a flight... My gosh it look freaking cold out there.
Amazing footage that I’ve never seen before either. Makes me think that if some of this footage was smuggled out after the cancellation what other secrets were taken south?
Hi Neonred, this video has been out there for a long time. I love the comments. The Avro Arrow is about 33 feet longer than the F18. Her main role was an interceptor to keep the Russian bombers from flying over Canada and attacking not just us, but the USA. Back in 1958 when these aircraft were being tested, they were setting records by climbing to 43,000 feet at 1,000 mph. These Arrows you see were the 1st generation, RL201 to RL205, and were powered by the Pratt & Whitney J75 engines of the time a less powerful engine, but it showed just how aerodynamic this aircraft was. It wasn't just cutting the air, she was slicing it. The next generation RL206, which was slightly bigger still, and up at that time would have had the New Canadian-built Orenda PS13 Iroquois engines with almost doubling the power. For her time, she was a powerhouse. Just too bad she was canceled by the Canadian government on February 20th, 1959. ** And just so you know, Pratt & Whitney brought out the J79 engines a few years later that was in and around the same output as the Iroquois**
Oh I know, I've forgotten more then I know now about the Arrow. I met Jan Zurokowski when I was about 10, he was friends of my grandparents.
I also had the opportunity to participate in a 'Wings and Wheels' event in Toronto in 2006 or '07. Their 1:1 scale model was parked nose to nose with an F-18. The size difference was remarkable. (I took pics but I'm not sure which hard drive they're on...)
I was working at DRDC Toronto and a co-worker gave me a spool of 8mm film he'd found in a drawer, this is what was on it...
@@Neonred1967 Amazing, and congratulations on meeting Mr. Zurokowski. I was in England when 203 made its big debut. I am sure you are aware then that RL203 was finally saved from being outside at Pearson a few years ago, and is now a Star on display at Edenvale Aerodrome in Stayner ON. just west of Barrie.
@@Neonred1967 That is awesome again. A lot of people call 203 a Replica, it is actually termed a Model. There is so much still out there from when the Arrow was canceled, and my company would be interested in finding more such as this find to keep on our records.
A couple of interesting shots here:
@08:28 - the borrowed SAC TB-47B Stratojet bomber, USAF serial number 51-2059 (designated CL-52) with the Orenda PS.13 Iroquois hanging off it's rear RHS fuselage. This aircraft was used for in-flight testing of the Iroquois, racking up 31hrs of engine test time before project cancellation.
@13:25 - Aircraft 201 post-rotation 'flying off' the runway, rather than using elevator forces to pull it off. Test pilot Spud Potocki stated that gentle back-pressure on the stick was applied at 130kts, bringing the nose up to ~5 degrees. That attitude was held until the aircraft left the ground at ~165kts & positive rate was realized. Any attempt to horse the airplane into the sky resulted in the aircraft settling back down onto the wheels, as lift was lost by additional elevator deflection. Interesting to note that the climb rate is increased just as the landing gear is retracted, to avoid the 200kt Vlo limitation.
Great clips - thanks for posting.
Wow, nice videos
Its a big plane.get there fast and intercept!