You got me thinking about your comparison of the M2C rear brakes to the F3x M Sport front brakes, so I pulled out specs that I collect to see if I had additional information. Pistons: M2C 28mm x 4 MS 40mm x 4 (Obviously it would take exact area measurements of pads to calculate force exerted by caliper pistons/pads on rotor surface) Rotors: (2-piece) M2C 380x28 21.0 lbs MS 370x30 26.5 lbs (This difference surprised me, if the weight that I had is accurate. It’s from Zimmermann specs, not from me weighing them as you did. Would seem that the design of the M2C 2-piece rotor is more efficient for weight savings. Anyway, cool video! Thanks for posting!
This brakes are awesome, i have them on m2c too. Rear OEM brake disc and pads are great. On front i am using girodisc brake disc and endless pads - fits like oem.
Hi, Thanks for your quality content, for me best video on m2c tuning on YT ! I have this 2NH brakes on my M2C and i have problem of "pad knockback" in turns... Nobody have this problem too ? the rotors are to heavy ? Thanks you
For those unaware, friction is independent of surface area. In other words, more surface area does not mean more friction. I realize that's counterintuitive, but it is what it is.
I'm not sure something like that exists. Usually the "dual use" pads still dust a fair amount. You can look into EBC Yellowstuff, Ferodo DS2500 (these definitely don't dust any less), or Stoptech Sport pads for dual use. Just remember that dual use pads don't tend to last all that long at the track.
There's a VO code specifying the larger 2NH brakes, that will drive other config changes in modules like the DSC module for them over the Brembo 4/2 piston brake set.
Do you know if these calipers and rotors could fit an E92 335I? I've seen the front calipers and rotors for sale at a somewhat cheap price so wondering if I should go for it.
I am fitting them to my e92 335is with the seems legit garage brake caliper adapters/135i rear hubs. I am already using the standard f8x blue brakes. I steal on a set of these so I picked them up. ill post a video once I have them mounted. also if you are interested in buying a set of blue F8X brakes I have a set
You can buy these Brembo brakes from BMW dealers. I recommend using RealOEM to look up the PNs. You'd need the PNs for the various pieces (calipers, rotors, brake lines, ect.).
So dumb question... these stock Brembo pads are not ceramic correct? I assume you'd want something else for track days. I wish I could find a pad that's good for track days + daily driving so I don't have to continually change them
Yeah the stock pads aren't ceramic. Ceramic pads are for street pads. Track pads are typically metallic. Some of the Stoptech pads, EBC Yellowstuff, and Ferodo DS2500 can be dual used, but get eaten up at the track at a pretty high rate.
Thanks for another excellent video chock full of interesting details. It was interesting that pads didn’t have weights and no grease was used. On F3x brakes that would cause all kinds of noise and complaints. Was there noise when you were driving these stock M2C brakes? Maybe Brembo has engineered out the need for weights/grease with this caliper design?
I have an M2 comp, its been my daily for about 18 months now, the brakes definitely squeal at very low speeds and have since the car was virtually new. Not super loud, but its there.
You can go to www.realoem.com to search through the available BMW brakes for your model/chassis. BMW offered 6-piston Brembo front calipers, but not 4-piston rears. If you want 4-piston rears you'll have to look at an aftermarket Brembo kit.
It's not a drop in install on F3x vehicles. You'll need an adapter bracket. This post outlines it pretty well: f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2002285
You'd probably be best getting more street oriented pads. You can attempt doing a proper bedding, but any pad with decent metallic content (which performance pads have) can squeal.
What a PITA to have to take the caliper off every time you have to change pads! It wouldn't have been so bad if you could do it by removing the Torx fasteners, but of course those are the ones BMW doesn't want you to touch. D'oh! At least the pads are pretty meaty, so hopefully you don't have to do it that often.
I sold these brakes shortly after getting the AP Racing set. You're correct that these are plug and play on the F82. Just make sure you have 19" wheels.
@@nessuno5403 no it is not. A forged caliper is a forged caliper. This is a cast caliper. You’re thinking monoblock. You can have a forged monoblock or a cast monoblock.
Very informative, thank you.
You got me thinking about your comparison of the M2C rear brakes to the F3x M Sport front brakes, so I pulled out specs that I collect to see if I had additional information.
Pistons:
M2C 28mm x 4
MS 40mm x 4
(Obviously it would take exact area measurements of pads to calculate force exerted by caliper pistons/pads on rotor surface)
Rotors: (2-piece)
M2C 380x28 21.0 lbs
MS 370x30 26.5 lbs
(This difference surprised me, if the weight that I had is accurate. It’s from Zimmermann specs, not from me weighing them as you did. Would seem that the design of the M2C 2-piece rotor is more efficient for weight savings.
Anyway, cool video! Thanks for posting!
This brakes are awesome, i have them on m2c too.
Rear OEM brake disc and pads are great.
On front i am using girodisc brake disc and endless pads - fits like oem.
Girodisc now have rear rotors also for the 2NH in case you wanted some.
I got the M2 competition 2020 3000km and my breaks speak when I stop do yours ?
@@nimkiirogers7053 nope....
@@nimkiirogers7053 Look up the bmw m performance brake video. It explains about squeaky noise.
Hi,
Thanks for your quality content, for me best video on m2c tuning on YT !
I have this 2NH brakes on my M2C and i have problem of "pad knockback" in turns... Nobody have this problem too ? the rotors are to heavy ? Thanks you
hi - the front calipers and discs are originally from the M5 F10 / M6 F12
Calipers have a slight difference in fitting. can't use the M5/6 calipers with m2 rotors as they are thicker, use of brackets will come into play
TRIVIA: these are now standard on the M2 CS, but with red calipers like the M Performance option kit.
I hear the blue and gray brakes have SS pistons and the gold ccb have titanium. Can anyone confirm?
does anyone know the colour code for this specific silver/grey?
For those unaware, friction is independent of surface area. In other words, more surface area does not mean more friction. I realize that's counterintuitive, but it is what it is.
Yup! Larger pads have better thermal load capacities.
Excellent video. Can anyone recommend aftermarket pads for streets and occasional track use but one that will produce less dust than the stock pads?
I'm not sure something like that exists. Usually the "dual use" pads still dust a fair amount. You can look into EBC Yellowstuff, Ferodo DS2500 (these definitely don't dust any less), or Stoptech Sport pads for dual use. Just remember that dual use pads don't tend to last all that long at the track.
Excellent video - are there any brake related software differences applied to the m2 vs the m2 comp with 6/4 piston kit?
There's a VO code specifying the larger 2NH brakes, that will drive other config changes in modules like the DSC module for them over the Brembo 4/2 piston brake set.
I’m going to see if I can retrofit these to an E70 X5
👍informative.
Do you know if these calipers and rotors could fit an E92 335I? I've seen the front calipers and rotors for sale at a somewhat cheap price so wondering if I should go for it.
Unfortunately I don't know if it fits an E92. I believe E9x M3s can use F3x/8x brakes, but not sure about the non-M models.
I am fitting them to my e92 335is with the seems legit garage brake caliper adapters/135i rear hubs. I am already using the standard f8x blue brakes. I steal on a set of these so I picked them up. ill post a video once I have them mounted. also if you are interested in buying a set of blue F8X brakes I have a set
hello!
good video
Where can I find and buy them?
I have searched on some pages but they appear sold out 😩
You can buy these Brembo brakes from BMW dealers. I recommend using RealOEM to look up the PNs. You'd need the PNs for the various pieces (calipers, rotors, brake lines, ect.).
So dumb question... these stock Brembo pads are not ceramic correct? I assume you'd want something else for track days. I wish I could find a pad that's good for track days + daily driving so I don't have to continually change them
Yeah the stock pads aren't ceramic. Ceramic pads are for street pads. Track pads are typically metallic. Some of the Stoptech pads, EBC Yellowstuff, and Ferodo DS2500 can be dual used, but get eaten up at the track at a pretty high rate.
Thanks for another excellent video chock full of interesting details. It was interesting that pads didn’t have weights and no grease was used. On F3x brakes that would cause all kinds of noise and complaints. Was there noise when you were driving these stock M2C brakes? Maybe Brembo has engineered out the need for weights/grease with this caliper design?
I have an M2 comp, its been my daily for about 18 months now, the brakes definitely squeal at very low speeds and have since the car was virtually new. Not super loud, but its there.
Guess if you’re driving a race car, squealing doesn’t matter.
I have a BMW X5 30d. and I want to buy brmbo 6 caliper front and 4 caliper rear brake system. can you tall me where can I buy them?
You can go to www.realoem.com to search through the available BMW brakes for your model/chassis. BMW offered 6-piston Brembo front calipers, but not 4-piston rears.
If you want 4-piston rears you'll have to look at an aftermarket Brembo kit.
Hello, are you planning to sell these now that you have replaced them with the new setup?... Thank you!
I did sell these after installing the AP kit.
@@FaRKle0079 Awesome!... Hope you’re enjoying the new set!
@@marcomacias6704 Thanks! I'm sure I'll fully appreciate them once I get the car on track (need to break in the engine a couple more thousand miles).
Hai, can this brake kit set install to f30 models? Thank you
It's not a drop in install on F3x vehicles. You'll need an adapter bracket.
This post outlines it pretty well: f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2002285
Any suggestions for brake squeal?
You'd probably be best getting more street oriented pads. You can attempt doing a proper bedding, but any pad with decent metallic content (which performance pads have) can squeal.
What a PITA to have to take the caliper off every time you have to change pads! It wouldn't have been so bad if you could do it by removing the Torx fasteners, but of course those are the ones BMW doesn't want you to touch. D'oh! At least the pads are pretty meaty, so hopefully you don't have to do it that often.
Yeah, and as petty as it sounds, that's a big reason I went for aftermarket calipers where I can swap without taking off caliper.
Do you still have these brakes? I want to upgrade the F82 blue brakes to these. From what I know these are direct plug and play.
I sold these brakes shortly after getting the AP Racing set. You're correct that these are plug and play on the F82. Just make sure you have 19" wheels.
The stock brakes are more than enough for street driving.
Totally agree with you there!
then a 2,0l is more than enough too...IMHO don't understand ppl buying the M2C without the big brake kit...
Wow you took them off your car 🤔
Yup, replaced with the Essex/AP kit.
Bigger brakes mean you can go faster for longer tho right ?🤔
Nice video. But these are cast calipers not forged ones just saying...
Forging in the context he's using is correct. One piece moulding. You mean hollow?
@@nessuno5403 no it is not. A forged caliper is a forged caliper. This is a cast caliper. You’re thinking monoblock. You can have a forged monoblock or a cast monoblock.