Tecumseh’s Curse on American Presidents (Battleground, Indiana)
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- Do you believe in Indian curses? This film explores the many strange coincidences, supposedly caused by a dark magic spell, created in vengeance, by Chief Tecumseh’s brother, the Prophet. Every 20 years from 1840, the President elected that year, has either died in office or has narrowly escaped death. And President Joe Biden was elected in 2020, also on that sinister, 20 year cycle!
Filmed on location at Prophetstown State Park (West Lafayette, Indiana) Tippecanoe Battlefield (Battleground, Indiana), Grouseland Mansion (Vincennes, Indiana) and William Henry Harrison’s tomb (North Bend, Ohio)
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Tecumseh is my ancestor. I have tracked back to his parents. I have record statements of what he did the day he died. I am loyal, Shawnee. He saved as many of his people as he could before the battle.
Sir I am a descendant of Tecumseh as well,although I am like 80% something Nordic,more of a mut than anything,I am very proud of my Shawnee blood,even if it is but a drop or two, Peace be with you Brother.
This was amazing, thank you. Tecumseh has been a personal hero of mine since I was in High School and read, Panther in the Sky. This was fascinating
My pleasure, Sarah! Tecumseh was a remarkable leader, eloquent speaker and fierce warrior, a man of great intelligence. He was respected by his enemies, William Henry Harrison even called Tecumseh, “one of those uncommon geniuses, which spring up occasionally to produce revolutions and overturn the established order of things.”
Tecumseh’s considered a national hero in Canada. American High Schools, nature trails, military units, and even an engine company is named after him, not to forget William Tecumseh Sherman, the famed union civil war general.
I had long wanted to do a segment on Tecumseh, and having visited Vincennes, Prophetstown and Battleground, had just enough footage to do this one. To do one covering his complex life, would have required a lot more travel, to do it justice! 🙂
Panther in the Sky is a great novel.
Excellent Indiana history story. I liked your philosophy at the end, about the door of this life closing.
Thank-you! Every now and then I like to add a lesson I’ve learned. 🙂
Excellent. No, Biden does not worry, his conscience is totally seared.
My ancestors were friends of William Henry Harrison. They marched from Vincennes to Battle Ground. My ancestor survived the battle. True story. No brag, just fact. My family can trace our heritage to the second fur trading company in the New World. Way before the Pilgrims. I won't say any more.
Lots of great history to be proud of!
You should say more.
That’s truly amazing! I myself would love to know more about history. Very interesting. I’m happy for you.
Very nice.
I am descended from the same grandparents as Wm H Harrison
The curses from Tecumseh will pour in with justice. Keep playing
As I live in Indiana, I am really enjoying your videos, thank you for all you do
What a strange documentary. Spirit realm has it’s way of serving justice.
@@edwardh1591 💯👍🙏🏻
Very interesting. Always great to hear some Indiana history. Thanks again Roger...
I wasn't aware of this 20 year curse. IT is really interesting. Thank you for sharing. I love learning about history. Especially from the area I'm currently living.
I think I only learned about it, a year ago, and have lived in Indiana my entire life!
Very interesting story on this curse and the prerequisite to that with Tecumseh. It truly is appalling how these people treated the shamanic cultures and how even today people are making hunter gatherer tribes extinct in the Amazon.
I love that story. It's much better when your telling it than me having to read it. Wise words at the end too. Thank you
I was in 4-H for about 8 years, and went to Camp Ouabache every summer for a week. Our counselors took us to all these places; the history of Tecumseh has always been a great story. As l know it better, because of the truer telling of the history, that is.
At some point, I’d like to do a story about the famous Native Americans that lived in Indiana. Tecumseh, Little Turtle, Menominee, etc. They are being forgotten, and I’d heard about them all through grade school.
We aren't just a name with two dates. We are one link in a chain or one branch on a huge tree that leads back to Adam and Eve and forward until the last of our progeny is gone. Each person matters. I know you know and feel that. Thanks for your very interesting content!
We have a Harrison high school and a Tecumseh middle school in these parts. Prophetstown State Park is a relatively new dedication. The Tippecanoe Battlefield Memorial is pretty sizable.
I just found your channel and I love it I have watched a couple videos and am now binge watching them all
Well welcome to the adventure! Lots and lots of unusual places and topics in Indiana. I try to get at least one video out per week, but some of these have been mammoth projects, that have taken months of research and location filming!
Never hesitate to throw me an idea! I’ve been able to deep dive many interesting subjects, due to the thoughtful suggestions of viewers! 🙂
Amazing story! Always enjoy your content Roger!
Thank-you kindly! Indiana never hesitates to offer unusual stuff! 🙂
Awesome history lesson. Enjoyed the video. Great job.
Thanks Pat!
I have Shawnee blood in my lineage
I as well Sister,I as well
Thanks for sharing. I have lived in Indiana all my life and didn't know about this. I am a quarter native American myself and the history I was told by my family was different than what I was taught in school.
Lots of back stories that parents used to tell their children, many now lost.
I am proud to be a direct descendant of War Chief Tecumseh, he is my great ×5 Grandfather. Unlike the European tradition of commanding officers to be be far from the frontline during battle, Tecumseh actually lead his warriors into battle and died with honor, taking a bit more than rainey weather to do him in.
Another amazing article thank you
My pleasure, Debbie!
Allan Eckert has written many books if you like books on the French and indian Wars, frontiersmen
Like Simon kenton and Daniel boone Clark,and Sam Brady and also bluejacket, Tecumseh You will love these books
1)Dark and bloody River - a history of the Ohio River tales
About Indians and frontier heros
2) the frontiersman
A book on frontier heros and Indians of that time..like bluejacket,Tecumseh and his brother the prophet also details on the Shawnee and Cherokee way of life..
3) a sorrow in our hearts ~a book on Tecumseh outside of the Bible these three books are my favorite
Had you ever ran across the Lymon Draper manuscripts? Lymon was born in 1815 and idolized Daniel Boone and the frontier stories. He interviewed tons of old pioneers, war heroes, “borrowed” old letters and correspondence. He wrote down extremely detailed stories that are now on microfilm at Frankfort, Kentucky, including stories about the bloodthirsty “Blue Jacket”, which massacred two of my ancestors and kidnapped my gggg Grandmother. Many of the books you read today, about frontier life, Indians, and pioneer heroes, pull from Lymon Drapers detailed work. You can find it online as well.
You sound a lot like me, with a love of history and legends! I know I’ve went down more rabbit holes than I’d like to admit! 🙂
Funny. I have lived in Indiana most of my life and never noticed it's history right under my nose.
Tons of buried history. Doing my part to dig some of it up. 🙂
Awesome I have heard of this curse there is still much Indian blood and culture in the country side 🤠
Wonderful video. I am glad I found your channel.
Welcome to the adventure! I try to find interesting stories, but most of the time, they find me! =)
The Tecumseh trail brought me here
Key words matter, I don’t care what CZcams says! 🙂
The Frontiersman by Allen W Eckert is an awesome book and covered Tecumseh and his nation in it. Very well researched. Excellent video.
OUTSTANDING VIDEOS!!!!, I just received 1 if your videos this morning, and I've been watching them all day, I appreciate the very broad content you cover
THANK YOU!
Thank-you for your kind words! I love Indiana’s places, legends and people. 🙂
@@AdventureswithRoger I didn't realize I can't upload pics, any way copied the sign just to give you some interesting info on Leesville IN, Site of 1st settlement in Lawrence county, 1810.
Site of Potawatomi Indian massacre, 3-10-1813.
Earliest school in the County(still standing) 1 room school. 1815 and 1st highschool 1858.
Leesville was platted in June 1818 and named after Lee county Virginia
@@gdotts3468 Send me an email at returpen@yahoo.com
True words at the end, nice.
Great video
Your narration is on point
Reagan died in 2004, not 1989. He left office after his term was up, but he was very much alive then and lived another 15 years after leaving office.
You found an error, thank-you! Will put it in the errata section
Thank you
I’m just glad it’s not just me, that finds this crazy stuff interesting! 😀
Thank you, there is a high school, just outside of Battleground named Harrison High and a junior high school in Lafayette named Tecumseh Junior High.
I live about 22 minutes from Harrison County, Indiana, and there are schools and places galore, named after William Henry Harrison! If you go about 45 minutes west, everything is named after Abraham Lincoln or his family members. We have a lot of great history in Indiana! 🙂
I never heard about the attempt on George Bush, that is very interesting, I knew about the curse. I grew up in Spencer County IN and Indian history was very talked about subject in school. If you went looking for arrowheads near small creeks after a flood you had a chance of finding one.
My art teacher Mr. Morrison had a collection of them that he had found all over southern Indiana.
I never found one but I did find a axe with no handle in N.C.
Really enjoying all these videos about Indiana, they bring back so many childhood memories of growing up in Indiana, thank you sir.
My pleasure, Steve! I’ve really enjoyed these travels, and despite exploring the state for over 40 years, I still find things I’ve never seen before!
Excellent video Roger! Always enjoy your content man!
Thank-you, James!
Love your channel. Could you do a story on caves a Indian history in Madison and its beginning fighting with early settlers
I don’t know of any caves in Madison. I’ve done 6 films covering Tecumseh and the Shawnee attacks on settlers.
Tecumseh and Harrison / the Curse
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Tecumseh coming to Vincennes
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Tecumseh threatening other chiefs that sold land to Harrison
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Shawnees trying to kill Squire Boone
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Indians killing other Indians on Sand Island
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The Pigeon Roost Massacre by Shawnees
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@@AdventureswithRoger ty!
I grew up on the other side of the bluff from here, across the one lane bridge around the curve. There's a cemetery that overlooks prophets town from my side called "north Union cemetery". It's a sight to see for sure. We also used to go to the old farm house that remains inside prophets town, and learn lots of fun things and tend to the animals there, and most homes that were on that side of the bluff are now gone because the state turned it into a park.
I’ve only been to Prophetstown once. It looked like a great place to ride bikes, but I didn’t see anything I’d call historical, and left disappointed. Would’ve loved to seen something like North Union Cemetery!
Loved the ending, how true my friend ✨
I sneak in some philosophy, every now and then. 🙂
I live in Lafayette and have been to Prophets town it's a special place.
I stood at the massive plain, and tried to imagine the immense history that happened there. So quiet and serene, with only the wind blowing the wild grass.
You do a good job man. Hope you do some more videos
Thanks, Sam! I’m working on five videos at the moment. Many more adventures to come! 😉
I feel like this is a very good info video. I'm out to be moving to Indiana here soon coming from Kansas 😅
Great video, brother! Wish you'd do one about Little Turtle and the forks of wabash sometime! :D
Thanks, Jordan! I love biographies. I love biographies so much, that when I was a newlywed, I would come home from work and watch the biographies on cable, until I fell asleep. Every night. It caused problems. 😀
Anyways, Little Turtle, War of 1812, Chief Menominee, giant tales, there’s some great stories up north. But it’s a long haul from southern Indiana. What I did for my last trip far north: I planned all the location shoots to support two films. On the road by 8am or so, didn’t get back home until after 2am if I recall. Think it ended up being about 700 miles in one day! 🙂
@@AdventureswithRoger Thanks so much for sharing with us, man. Means a lot!
Tecumseh ❤
Great content!
Thank-you!
We just voted and approved a name change for cABRILLO college. I'm going to push to change it to Tecumseh Community College. This is located in Aptos CA. 👍
Hey you should do the first black college in America or atleast Indiana its in Lancaster,Indiana (Jefferson County) its a very fascinating story and I'm pretty sure its a national historical site .I grew up in Lancaster and always heard stories but would love to know real history about it.
I did a piece about one of the first black schools in New Albany, and I thought it would do well. I loved the curators stories about tough times and how she not only attended the school, but became a teacher for Floyd County. It was truly inspirational to me, and I loved talking to her. She now donates her time at the old school, showing kids that they can overcome anything. It was a total flop, very little views.
I beat myself up for awhile, wondering what I did wrong, how I should’ve wrote it, different angles I should’ve photographed. Maybe if I’d insisted she talk to the camera (She didn’t want to)? Music: too droning. A lot of things could’ve been better, all my fault. But I believe the biggest reason: it was about school.
I believe I could’ve done all the right things, and it wouldn’t have faired much better. People love videos about haunted tunnels, scary things in the woods, legends, and other unusual things. People know what school is and most try to avoid it. Except for when kids are sent to them on field trips, the noble old places get almost no visitors. Nevertheless, I still feel bad that I couldn’t do the school and that wonderful teacher justice.
Biden sure looks to be hanging on by a thread at times, curse could reappear at the drop of a hat in last part of his term. Great video.
Thanks! I know correlation doesn’t prove causation, but the presidents up to Reagan definitely had a spooky correlation! Biden sure doesn’t look well, agree on the “hanging on by a thread”.
Battle of Spurs Defeat is interesting . It is what led up to Battleground.
I skipped over a lot of history to shorten this down. Tecumseh met with Harrison a second time, before Tippecanoe, and told Harrison he would be away from Prophetstown
in the first place, but admonished both Harrison and Tenskwatawa that there be “no mischief” while he was gone. Harrison blamed a lot on the Prophet, from allowing horse thievery, harassment of settlers, to cold blooded murder of a sentry. While much responsibility was admitted by the prophet himself, Harrison piled up everything he could as a justification to attack Prophetstown. He knew Tenskwatawa wasn’t the leader that Tecumseh was. It was an opportunistic move.
I also found it touching that all but one volunteer from Harrison county, all of them dressed in yellow buckskin jackets and called “yellow jackets”, were killed at Tippecanoe. Simply wiped out. A few months ago, back in Harrison County, that one volunteers yellow jacket was nearly discarded, by a local man, as he didn’t know what it was. His Father had been an avid artifact collector, but the son never had an interest. Luckily, members of the historical society attended the auction.
@@AdventureswithRoger wow about yellow jacket! I know Spurs defeat location it happened is not known to public at least . Native Americans won . They cut head off a scout and had on stick. Got the white men to chase them on horse back into an area where 3 ravines meet into 1. They got ambushed and had to retreat. Really made Harrison mad .
There is also some mounds close to Battleground. Not much public knowledge. But i think it finally made list of places. It it behind a golf course
@@jefflebowski4182 Lots of mounds in Indiana, likely a future segment. My wife’s mom was telling me about one near Columbus, Indiana, that was in a farmers field. Not regulated at the time, they kept digging into it and finding stone axe heads, spear points and arrowheads. Eventually, there was no mound.
@@AdventureswithRoger yeah there is lots all over the state . Angel and Mounds state park Vincennes Petersburg is good one. Still there .
The one in Petersburg was a rumor myth of a giant with copper all around him. Vietnam vet I knew grew up there .
Spur's Defeat happened a year after Tippecanoe. It's actually sometimes called Second Battle of Tippecanoe or Battle of Wildcat Creek. The site of the Winnebago Village are known, as is the site of Besayon's execution following the battle. "Officially" the battle site is unknown, as the State doesn't believe it's an important enough event to fully study, however a number of local historians have pretty well pinpointed the location of the battle site in addition to the possible location of the graves of the 18 men killed in the battle. Honestly, if you read the descriptions and look at on overhead of the area, you can pretty well narrow it down as well.
I have heard that Nancy Reagen knew about the long history of the curse, and she legitimately worried about Ronald Reagan. So Nancy talked with psychics and even had one come to the white house regularly. And I don't remember exactly what I heard happened, but Nancy helping Ronald with what info she learned from psychics etc. she was able to break the curse somehow. Reagan was shot while in office but not killed, so breaking the curse that had plagued presidents elected every 20 years. Great video.
I’d heard that about Nancy. Another viewer said that an Christian evangelical group had also heard of the curse, and put together a prayer vigil, one day before he was shot, claiming to have broken any curse. I don’t know what to make of it all, really, but it is definitely an odd pattern! 🙂
@@AdventureswithRoger exactly. I just don't know what to make of all this but it is a great story and quite coincidental really. No one can deny that it's an odd pattern for every president elected twenty years apart dies in office. Thank you for the great videos.
@@Floridaboi-Woody My pleasure! More stuff is coming as I settle into editing!
@@AdventureswithRoger Not just the 20 yr curse broke for since every president has had at leaste one 'close' attempt thwarted! I choose prayer works.
Yep, I'm bingeing your videos!
Loving them. 👍
He may have survived the shooting but his mental health failed while he was in office. It is speculated that Nancy was the force behind the presidency. So, is the curse broken, or has it somehow evolved?
The curse worked up until the Reagan attempt, he survived and GWB made it through 8 years
I’ve had people tell me that the curse was broken, via the prayers of many groups, that were familiar with the curse. One group started meeting a month before he was shot!
The video said that Reagan died in 1989. Reagan died in 2004. His term in office ended in 1989. But, the video was correct in saying he died of pneumonia, like WH Harrison.
Noted on the bad date.
Biden doesn't know he's alive. It counts.
Hahaha!
😆 lol
I used to read books about native Americans tecumseh was one indian i read about Tecumseh the Shawnee prophet afromexicans are mixed with indian mexican indian
Tecumseh was an exceptional leader, and respected by even his enemies. I’m working on a much bigger project, about Indiana’s Native American past, hope to have it out in a few months
Finally something near my neck of the woods lol
Where’s home? I’m thinking about another northern trip, next spring.
@@AdventureswithRoger Logansport area. I lived in Americus for a couple of years and wandered all around battleground while i lived there.
“Monsters of Indiana” was also filmed up that way. I have a few more stories that happen in northern Indiana.
@@AdventureswithRoger I literally just watched that one lol heard of the Manitou monster.
I filmed both of those in one long day. Think my roundtrip mileage from southern Indiana was 615 miles. 🙂 It was a good time, I’d never been to that area before.
Crazy ain't it
There is a marker for an native American warrior or chief north of Rochester or possibly Plymouth, Indiana. Just off 31. Do you have any information about it? It may be Menominee, the Chief. It seems it's a long way from the Menominee River which separates Wisconsin from Michigan. Why is that?
Chief Menominee! When I travel north, I hope to film his monument. Below is a link telling about whom he was.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Menominee
The curse is likely broken or redirected, since the country has mostly begun to respect Native peoples again, if there ever was one, to begin with.
It was an odd correlation for sure. There’s many theories of why it seemed to halt at president Reagan. Someone said Nancy Reagan was aware of “the curse” and consulted astrologers to try and prevent it. Others have said a Christian coalition also knew of the curse, and began a prayer chain, a day before Reagan was shot. You mentioned the renewed respect for native cultures: I heard many exhumed skeletons have been returned to tribes for reburial. But, it may have been a correlation and not a proof of causation. Each 20 year cycle provided 4-8 years for something bad to happen, and some statisticians have said it’s a forced correlation. Certainly interesting!
Ronald Regan did not die in 1989 as stated in the video, but in 2003.
We’re both wrong: Reagan died June 5th, 2004! But you’re considerably more right than I was, not sure how I missed that. Thank-you!
Ahhhh that’s right.... I thought I was a senior in high school when he died , I guess I was one year out. Loved the video by the way!
Zachary Taylor died from drinking milk.
Think you could do a video on the Fairbanks massacre
Have not heard of that one.
Would have until I negated it.
The cemetery there is very beautiful I was born in Lafayette picture taken on p r o p h e t Rock
Live in royal center Indiana . You got any videos for this area .
Tecumseh’s Curse and Monster Stories of Indiana are semi close, the latter hitting Oxford, and Rochester. I’ve spent 5 years on southern Indiana, am only starting to pick up content in Northern Indiana.
Roger, NWI used to have something called "Everglades of the North" there is some documentation on it. Very cool. Might be interesting for you to check into. Good job on the videos. You've given my kids and I a couple awesome spots to visit that we wouldn't have otherwise. Keep them coming!
@@KK-ei1ni Thank-you for your kind words! I’ve got a dry erase board beside the desk. It’s my “story idea board”. I write down things I dream up, things people recommend, things I see on the internet. The ones that make me want to get up early and drive, those are the ones! 🙂
But some of those White Men were once Red Men. .. or knew Red Men.
Didn't both Reagan and Bush go to the Navajo and get protection from the curse
Had not heard that. I’d read where Nancy Reagan was aware of the curse, and constantly consulted astrologers, to protect her husband. Someone said that a Christian group assembled a prayer chain, having heard of it.
He threw 13 stones into a fire. It was supposed to cost the USA 13 Presidents. Nancy Reagan broke the curse.
Had not read that!
are you sure joe biden is alive?
Reagan died in 2004
Noted
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Reagan died in 2004 from Alzheimer's.
Alzheimer’s and complications from pneumonia
I don't believe in curses, however I do have a bet with some friends that Bobo Biden won't finish his term. This does give me hope. The down side is the current VP Cackling Camie
Being the oldest person to ever be elected president, curse or no curse, it’s a risky thing for an elderly person. I’ve read articles about how it prematurely ages people. One of them showed pictures of Lincoln at the beginning of his presidency, and near the end: it looked like he aged 30 years!
Lost my ipod at prophets rock. Cursed.