Shreddage 3.5 Series Update Overview
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Welcome to the future of Shreddage 3! In this video, we talk about the FREE updates we've just released for EVERY single one of our industry standard virtual guitars and basses, along with how to get the update if you purchased before March 30, 2023.
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I had the absolute fear until the last 30 seconds when you mentioned that existing projects wouldn't be affected. Tremendous planning. Thank you. 😊
Exactly how I feel with Native Instruments, 😥
Same here as well, really happy they just added a 3.5 Patch!
thanks for maintaining your great products !!!
This is life changing for someone who writes music with hydra every day. Keyboard mode is gonna be super helpful
I'll have to get back to writing eventually but it's nice to see Shreddage mature.
How do you write?
@@scarsstitches636 Piano roll, mostly. Good ol' point & click though sometimes I'll either use a real guitar or a midi keyboard as mediums to brainstorm.
I also use Shreddage in Midi guitar mode. That being said, my writing as always lacked automation & proper expression... something which I'll have to figure out at some point.
Anybody else recognize the lead melody from0:55 as the Boss Battle theme from Final Fantasy Mystic Quest? I see what you did there! 😂
You guys are awesome for the FREE update. Thank you.
Thanks!!
Thanks for this update! The new articulations setup looks easier to use, and I appreciate the thought that went into the redesign.
Thank you ! That new interface is brillant ! You rock
Awesome!! Thank you for the update.
Just upgraded all my Shreddage libraries. Glad to see the articulations system is the same as TSS now. Can’t wait to try the new performance styles out!
Best products I bought ^^
I like some of these new features, but updating existing projects to 3.5 is still super cumbersome. I know it can't all be the same, but putting in custom parameters for cabinets/FX is going to be painful. Also, would it be possible to have a setting that automatically changes all key switches/velocity triggers to what they were in Shreddage 3.0? I use the power chord key switch a lot, palm mutes through velocity, tapping for fast notes in solos, & probably other things that got switched around, & I don't want to have to change this every time for every project I update.
PS: thank you so much for updating Shreddage Drums to save the reverb types, I never thought I'd see it happen!
We love shreddage!!!
I am happy to see some visual updates here!
I have 2 questions. #1. What is the benefit of updating the velocity key switching to manual key switches and are we missing out on anything if we manually change it back to velocity like you showed in this video?
#2. I have always had phasing issues and repetitive sample issues when double tracking with 1/2 and 3/4. I have worked around it by just using 1/4 together but I feel like I am missing out on the ant repetition because my 8th and 16th notes do sound very robotic regardless of how much I adjust velocity. Is this phasing issue a known thing or is it possible that I am doing something incorrectly?
(1) This just comes down to preference. Some people prefer to switch articulations via velocity, others prefer keyswitch. In either case you are getting the same sonic result.
(2) If this is still happening as of Shreddage 3.5 please send our support a note with a MIDI file and audio render where you hear it occurring!
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Thank you for the response! I am excited to try out the new updates.
6:32 NICE
This is why I love you, ISW!
For those that didn’t understand, it’s basically Shreddage 3X. Just like the X versions of the previous versions. (If I got it right.)
Man, I've been a regular since Shreddage 2, so in my book it already was decluttered, but hey I don't mind :D
0:55 did not expect a wild Mystic Quest to appear
What a banging soundtrack
great video thanks
Hi Andrew... There is any plan to keep updating this amazing libraries? For example, we will see a Shreddage 4 with new algorithms and maybe some samples or AI integration... or... maybe a standalone engine for more freedom to you? hahahaha... Yes, sounds very ambicious but, seriously, I think the samples of Shreddage Guitars are AMAZING! And there is no need to be discarded, the bigger proof is the old Jupiter (Shreddage 2) that still sounds AMAZING and I think it can benefits from new engine updates and behavior. Just for knowing... Are you considering to keep updating this libraries? THANKS!
That first guitar riff was from final fantasy mystic quest. I could be wrong but played that game religiously.
You are correct!
My current issue is that I want to do a root+octave style power chord.
This would be E3+E4 in this case so I put down an E3 in the midi piano roll and when I play the single note it will be played on the high A string 7th fret which I where I want it, great!
The moment I add the E4 the problems start.
When I do that the engine decides to play it on the low A and low E string, at the end of the fret board.
This gets me a very undesirable tone and sounds awful.
I've tried to mess with the force string option but no matter what I choose it keeps going to the low A and low E.
I've tried different picking modes, fretting modes, hand positions, hand sizes, min and max preferred frets but nothing gets the notes to play in the place I want them.
When I remove the E4 from the piano roll and only play the E3 it works flawless any time.
I have no clue how to get Shreddage to behave as I want it to, does anyone have an idea?
LOVE the new update. It makes composition so much easier and lest cluttered.
With that said, will ALL guitar libraries (including Shreddage Bass and Rosette) benefit from this update?
Yes, the entire series has been updated at once :)
Rosette (and Fretless and Telos) already basically use the Shreddage 3.5 engine features (except the Lite mode behavior change, which will be aligned in a subsequent update for Rosette - Fretless and Telos already have the updated Lite mode behavior, which removes the Lite NKI and Lite snapshots).
Nice! As usual, I regret that in my inbox, I only get "buy this product" and not "this product you have bought has been upgraded", but thanksfully, we have videos like this one :)
We try to send emails to inform people about big updates like this, so you should have gotten an email about it too! But we're very glad you saw the video, at least. We want to make sure everybody knows to get the updates if they want!
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Just received the mail today :)
That new update really messed me up. Id rather have that simple velocity mute. Now I still dont really understand how to do it but I managed to toggle latch key off and it seems like the mute velocity works.
At 2:54 I show exactly how to to do this in less than 60 seconds :)
Pulse unfortunately overwrote my Hydra install, so now I only have Hydra 3.5. And also won't load on Kontakt 7 player. Ended up rolling back to the previous release.
When you say overwrote, what do you mean? As mentioned in the video, this does update the NKI to 3.5 - the previous NKI will be deleted. However, this doesn't affect existing project files. As for not working in Kontakt 7 player, that sounds like a Kontakt bug and we'd like to look into it more. If we have to contact NI support about it, we'll do that. You can reach our support at: support@impactsoundworks.com
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC ah I see, that seems to work with kontakt 6. So I'll wait with kontakt 7 until that's been figured out. Thanks :)
This update was a nice idea, but now I am having issues trying to reproduce the sounds I had in 3.0 with 3.5. Even after setting up the velocity triggered sounds manually (which I don't think we should have had to do, as this was one of the reasons I even went toward Shreddage in the first place), I cannot seem to get the same tones out of the program as before. Combine that with some of my midi not being read when using the newer versions, I am unsure I am happy with this overall. It's making me consider moving to another program.
Me too, for me I cant seem to get the palm mute settings as nice as they were in the previous one. It seems to have some weird bugs too. I dont really like this layout either…
Please reach out to our support and ideally include a MIDI and/or audio file from v3 that you're having trouble replicating. It should be possible to perfectly match what you had before. Once you have it set up the way you like, you can just save the NKI and never worry about it again.
There is no Hydra lite version anymore after the update?
The lite NKI is redundant now; you can click the leaf icon on the main page UI and that now does the same thing.
Is the software free to download?
Been trying for hours to make this do a slide, well actually Jupiter, but I assume it's the same. Anybody know how to do a slide with this?
I have the same problem with the latest Jupiter and FL Studio 2024. Some say SLIDE already works fine. I've tried almost every method I could find online and it still doesn't work.
@@michalmyszkin7714 Don't know if you have the same problem, but I think my issue was just that the keyswitch is higher up than it says (f2 instead of f0). Doesn't make it easier that you can't SEE in the piano roll which keyswitch you are actually triggering, hope either Kontakt or FL makes it so you can change the name of each key and label it with an articulation.
@@jonl.b7168 Yes! That's it! 👏 Now it works! 👍 I've been searching for a solution for a week and was about to go gray. I even wrote to support. Thanks a lot! 😎
will both 3 and 3.5 be kept in the kontakt select? as well, will there be an automatic preset to switch from velocity based mapping to keyswitch based mappings?
There are no velocity split presets included at the moment, but as demonstrated in the video you can put one together yourself very quickly - and it will be exactly as you'd like it. Once you update, the 3.0 version is no longer available (keeping it would result in 2 sets of almost-identically-named snapshots in the NKS system, which is not ideal.) You can of course manually keep two installations on your system.
I wonder when will SHREDD4GE release.... We alreade got SHREDDAG3.
We are working on plans for it now.
Update looks fantastic but I'm concerned for my old projects because Pulse downloader deletes my old Shreddage 3 nki files when I update to 3.5. Thankfully it's easy to downgrade and bring em back.
Is it all the same for old projects if I just move the old NKIs out of the directory while updating and then move them back in when the update concludes? I just wanna make sure I'm doing this right...
Hey Anton, you're correct that it will remove the original NKI. However your DAW saves the NKI with your projects, so if you used the original 3.0 version, that is what will be saved & loaded with your previous projects. It won't load up the new file. That being said you CAN also just copy the NKI out and back like you said if you want to hold on to both!
Anyone here a Hydra user? Prior to this update I've found Hydra in particular takes an extremely long time to load if it even loads at all, which it wouldn't until I downgraded it to a previous version. We're talking almost a half hour before it would finally load. Not sure if it's a system or Kotakt version related thing. My Mac, while not the highest end is adequate and rarely has issues loading any other Kontakt library or synth I own. Currently running some version of Kontakt 6 until there's another Komplete sale. Just curious if anyone has insights on this.
I am. Have you tried using the purge button in kontakt? Does that change anything?
@@underscoreisnotvalid forgive me. Not the most versed Kontakt user. I know there's Purge options per instrument loaded, but the guitar would have to already load for me to be able to use it. Is there a general Purge option for the plugin itself?
@@toxicmix8029 true, yeah the instrument would need to be loaded first. Always have hydra ready to go as a track template, so I just purged it, then saved it as a track template. But yeah it sounds like there's something screwy going on with yours. Maybe uninstall and reinstall it?
A batch resave should absolutely fix this.
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Isn't the batch resave used when the library samples can't be located? In this case the library does load eventually, just after a very long time. If it's the same fix I will try that though. For reference I am on Kontakt 6.7 the Hydra that eventually loaded was 2 or 3 versions ago. Prior to the release of this 3.5 update the latest version would make Logic unresponsive.
By any chance, would there be a pdf manual of the new Tact 3.0?
Working on it!
Have you fixed the octaves? For example, I will take a note C on the third fret of the A string and when I want to play an octave in real life I will play a note on the fifth fret of G string and choke D string, but in Shreddage there will be a 7 string on the 15th fret and a 6 string on the 20th fret. I really want to take Telos, but if there is the same problem, then I will stay on another library for now.
You can simply adjust the hand position to where you would like to play and it will voice it accurately!
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC I sent a video to your support with proof that it doesn't work for Serpent
Please add a pitch bend up and a seperate pitch bend down. You should be able to bend a whole step up and an octave down like a real guitarist normally would if they had a whammy.
This is a good feature request but it's most likely not going to happen before Shreddage 4. However, in the meantime, you can employ a workaround: set the pitch bend range to maximum (12 semitones), but then you can use a multiscript to scale down the pitch bend up range, like so:
on init
declare $value
end on
on midi_in
if ($MIDI_COMMAND = $MIDI_COMMAND_PITCH_BEND)
$value := (128 * $MIDI_BYTE_2) + $MIDI_BYTE_1
if ($value > 8191)
$value := (($value - 8191) / 6) + 8191
set_event_par($EVENT_ID, $EVENT_PAR_MIDI_BYTE_1, lsb($value))
set_event_par($EVENT_ID, $EVENT_PAR_MIDI_BYTE_2, msb($value))
end if
end if
end on
@@EvilDragon666 Thanks! What file does this script go into? I am assuming the nki file, but I want to make sure before I try anything.
@@nuttob Press the KSP button in top right of Kontakt, insert script in one of the slots up there.
@@EvilDragon666 Thanks so much!!! Works like a charm. Now I can bend up like Jeff Beck and dive bomb like Joe Satriani LOL!!!😃
Since upgrading to 3.5, I can't open any Logic Pro X files using Hydra or Stratus... help!
Are you still having an issue with this? If so, please drop our support a line: support@impactsoundworks.com
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Yes… it's Shreddage Hydra 3. I have been using Hydra for 2 years on most of my songs and it worked fine. Now, every time I start a Logic file with an Instance of Hydra loaded into Kontakt, the file just gets hung up and won't open (spinning ball!). I uninstalled Shreddage 3.5 Stratus, Hydra and Precision, then installed an earlier version through Pulse. Shreddage Precision and Stratus did work, but took forever to load. Then I tried Hydra and it hung up... even when downgraded to an earlier version.
There is something wrong with Hydra, as even if I create a brand new file and try to load a track up with Hydra, it hangs up.
I'm running Logic ProX 10.7.7 on a Mac with Monterey 12.6.5. I tried downgrading Logic to previous versions and had the same problem with Hydra.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Any plans on releasing Shreddage Bass 1 on S3 Engine ?
We're thinking about it...
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Nice. I just asked. Don’t feel pressure because of that. Take your time thinking about it.
Update on Hydra did not work. Did the update...then reinstalled thru Pulse...still on the old version. Checked for a second nki file but it looks like it just updates the old one. Rescanned all my plugins in Cubase...nope. Tried in standalone Kontakt...nope. Submitted a ticket to support. If anyone knows of anything not mentioned in this video to get it to work please reply.
I think it might be a file location sort of issue where you have to make sure that the update patch is going to the same folder. I did something along the lines of moving the folder around a bit until it registered the 3.5 update properly, but I could be wrong.
If you have the library installed in two places, Pulse will only update the one that it "knows about". But definitely send us a ticket if you need help!
@@sanctifiedfracture4579 That was it. Thanks.
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Pulse doesn't let you select a file location for the update and that's why I could not figure it out at first. I had attached an external usb drive that took over the drive letter that Pulse "knew about". I had two installations of Hydra, so I moved the 3.5 from the external drive to where the initial version was and now I can see the 3.5 update. Thanks for the tip! It seems you need to add the ability to specify the file location of the update to Pulse. I would have caught the issue right away had I been able to do that.
it is possible to change performace style by keyswitch?
Not at the moment - we have so many keyswitches already, it's hard to find room...
I should mention that while you can't change performance styles by KS, you CAN do it by automating the parameter. This lets you set an automation envelope in your DAW that controls performance style.
Will this be also on native access? Mine is installed through there.
Only Shreddage 3 Abyss is available to download via Native Access, and we are deploying the update there; it will just take a little longer.
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Hm, can things be moved over from Native Access to Pulse somehow? So far, I've managed all my Shreddage guitars (Abyss, Jupiter, Rogue and Serpent, plus the old S2 ones) in NA only... ...which I now notice is no longer able to connect to its server apparently... :-/ (but that might of course just be a temporary glitch)
Nevermind. I found the email where you described the procedure back in 2020... ;)
Even the Stratus ?
Yes, even Stratus. :)
As a keyboard player who can also play guitar I am sorry still disappointed maybe I am a minority who attempts to play live lead keyboard solos with the software I also use orange tree and Native instruments who are also improving gradually also I have used real strat no comment
I hear there are more round robins now so why am
I hearing in the examples plectrum strikes that still sound the same over and over again the humanisation is still robotic please push on with this as to a good ear the examples at least don’t cut it for me and why do we still have to be swimming in reverb sorry guys this wash to paper over the cracks is unnecessarily used
Every DAW has tons of reverbs and most of us can use them I would rather have more picking variation samples than reverbs I bin immediately
Sorry to not be singing praises here it’s improving but you need to get to another level
I would say you have just began to get this show on the road maybe some virtual modelling may be the way to go
You are getting things right but possibly you are trying to put to much into one box
I would like to see a separation completely of lead and rhythm guitar so that the software library is dedicated to one or the other lead guitarist and Rhythm are two different people in the real world
Keep the foot on the gas it’s a very competitive race
For those that didn’t understand, it’s basically Shreddage 3X. Just like the X versions of the previous versions. (If I got it right.)