1969 Camaro Z/28 SECRETS THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW - Barn Find
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In 1968 I took delivery of a brand new Z/28. I read an article about it in Hot Rod magazine and went to a Chevy dealer with my Dad and the magazine. The salesman started to show me what he had in stock, but no Z/28s. I told him what I wanted and he knew nothing about it. So, we sat down with the Hot Rod magazine that had options and part numbers and we ordered my 68 Z from Hot Rod magazine! It was Tuxedo black with white stripes, black interior, Rally Sport option, 4:56 gears, Munci 4 speed, and duel quad in the trunk. Duel quad in the trunk? Yep, it was a dealer installed option. I drove it like I stole it until I got drafted in May 69. It went its way and I went mine, southeast Asia.
Thank you for your service.
That is an un told tragedy. Thanks for sharing your story.
Dang it! Gotta look for it! We love this stuff! Go!
My Dad's younger brother dropped out of college, moved to California, got married, and bought himself a brand new '68 Camaro SS396. It was white with black side stripes, a 4 speed, and loaded with options like a tape deck and alarm.
Then his draft notice came. He lost his wife and the car, but was lucky to not get sent to Viet Nam. He brought the Camaro back home to West Virginia where his parents finally sold it after he'd left for service. My Dad took me for a ride in it when we were visiting, but I was too young to remember.
This is the most informative video on identifying a real Z 28 I have seen. Great job.
he didnt say anything about the data plate
@@andyfrance1514 The data plate is missing from the car. Most likely to fake another car into provenance.
tremendous knowledge!
Early Z28's were not required to have either spoilers or the tach. The spoiler package and the tach were included late in the year and the base price of the package was increases correspondingly.
X3 exterior style trim Z28 - you noted the gill trim, however it also included-, tail lamp lenses with vertical stainless trim, roof drip molding, wheel opening moldings and the headlamp bezels have chrome rings around them, additionally the rockers were blacked out.
Pedal trim is part of the interior trim package Z21- which also included the grab bar on the dash.
The X in the X3 on the rear bulkhead indicates interior paint color.
X=Black B=Blue R=Red G=Green
You can send the Vin off to the NCRS and they will tell you which dealership originally recieved the car. You could luck out and the dealership has the paperwork.
This was an excellent to the point video for all 69’ Camaro enthusiasts. Great job. 🤙
Never seen any other video explaining this wow, I own a 69 Camaro and immediately after watching this video I went to the garage to see what I had
Well? Haaa! Whatcha got!
Rally Sport camaro
You did your research. I've seen many times on Camaro websites guys asking how they can tell if they have a Z28. I'm just going to send them the link to this video.
Hey Man, you really know your stuff! Super informative no nonsense video. That was cool.😎
Had an early Jan. '69 car (X33). Dealer spoilers, flat hood, deluxe interior, RS equipped. Very informative video.
WOW ! GREAT job on your video ! No music just informed ! WHAT a novel concept !!! Thank you. I had an original matching numbers 69 Z28 Camaro in 1977 right after high school and what I would give to have it back. Thank you for this. Someday again I'll get it back or another one hopefully.
Awesome job on this video!! Please keep them coming! I know a guy who has a 69 Z/28 that has been sitting over 40 years and refuses to sell it!! It sits outside rusting away!!
Rodney Williamson, good place for it. Rusty old Chevturd lawn ornament.
Says you !
Yo this was rad dude, keep it up! I wanna learn about more on cars from you!
If i was a Camaro fan, this would be a saved video.
Parker is an expert at decoding these rare gems. Lots to be learned when viewing his channel. Always look forward to new content and a new learning experience, especially GM muscle cars! Keep up the good work!
Great video. Well done. Thanks and keep us informed please. You are a great teacher.
Awesome information! Thank you! 🤩🤩
Very well done, thank you.
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👍 You did an excellent job . stating the facts . and showed in detail what they were . by speaking clear English intelligently !!! such a refreshing change. from what I normally see. have a good day !! Guy
I can remember fixing up my 68 Camaro in the late 80's and just going to the junkyard to get all the parts I needed to add power steering and front disk brakes off of other first gen Camaros. Except for the obvious collision damage, some of those cars were nicer than mine and they were just stacked one on top of the other, two cars high! Wish I had been able to pick up whole cars back then.
Excellent Job ton's of info thanks for sharing!!
Great info! Thank you for sharing
Nice explanations! Thanks
Excellent info ! 👍👍
Love this kind of stuff
Great job on the video!
Great info shared
Great insight!
I find your understanding and knowledge on these cars is staggering......best wishes to you .....until next time
Really like your videos. Good work.
When I was young I bought a cherry 1969 Z28 for $2,500 love that car then I bought a 70 and a half Z28 it handled a lot better but had more fun with the 69
Very informative. 👍👍
Great job! Very interesting.
Great videos, thanks
Thanks for the video. It maybe just a coincidence but I found a Barn in My Backyard too.
My friend and me restored a 69 Z28 in the 80's.
It had been rolled in a drag race. the original motor was in the trunk. Back then you could buy panels from car magazines , we did just that.
When we were done, you couldn't tell the car had been wrecked.
He recently sold the car for 50k.
Did my 69 427/390hp Vette the year after....lots of fun rebuilding cars.
Awesome info. Best ever
I’ve got 12 ‘69 Camaros out in the garages and barns. Most are beat up with lots of unoriginal parts from years of mods. I really never before knew what I had. What a helpful video.
Where are you located? Would love to check them out
Crickets.. he is dreaming.
Fascinating!!! Thanks for the great video!!
very good info.
Sweet ride! Ty for the info. My cousin Larry has 1 of those. Sounds crazy but i think he said it had a 302? It would do wheelies and smoke his younger brother Gary's Shelby.
Correct, the Z had a 302.
Even though Chevy rated the 302 @290 horsepower I've seen a stock one on the dyno put out around 400 hp!
Awesome, thanks
Very informative.
On the 1969 Z28 Norwich cars also had the X 33 or X 77 on the cowl tag
Excellent video
Damn, this guy is the Mopar guy of Chevy guys, haha! Super cool video.
Great video
All Z28's were required to have "Power" Disc brakes. No mention of that here. The Master cylinder is mounted to the firewall. No power brake booster. A lot of these were drag raced as this one looks like it was riden hard. Any upgrade to the cam required the removal of the booster because the engine would not create enough vacuum.
Funny how his car would be looked down on, but I see just the opposite. This car has had more fun than all those '69 Z's stuck in the garage or on a trailer. Nice find.
You used to see broken grilles on Z's. Dudes were too lazy to remove the grille when they changed cams.
My cat
69 was a console delete, with an 8k RPM tach, fuel gauge in between the speedometer and the tach, 3:73 gears, the factory tuned dealer option Hooker headers and my friends Dad used to professional race one in super stock in 1970, and he did a few simple tricks on mine. HOLY HELL. It was OUT OF THIS WORLD FAST.
So if you had a z28/rs it would both holes for tach and hideaway headlights?
Pretty good even without a trim tag. Confused about the hole for the cowl function though. I remember mine opening from vacuum when you stepped hard on the gas. What needed to enter the cabin?
Wiring for the solenoid went through hole in firewall above the fusebox
nice work on being intelligent enough to know these ways to confirm. It's a very nice ride .
I wonder why the guy you bought this car from said it was NOT a Z28? Pretty cool how smart everyone is getting!!! Great video!!
If it had the data tag on the firewall he would have known. Obviously someone removed it to clone a Z/28.
@@kennydemartini2169 OK...That makes sense!! I never think about that kind of stuff. Are you going to save this car? You sure are a great detective!!!
@@kennydemartini2169 Great video, but the cowl tag seemed to have gotten totally skipped over in the video, yet it's arguably the most important piece information source assuming no one has monkeyed with it...
Good video! Excellent narration and technical expertise!
Thanks
Dude, new subscriber here. Super impressed with your detailed knowledge of these cars. Exc video. (I have a 69 396 PAce Car with #'s match 4-spd M-20...) just curious, do you have any vids of authenticating big blocks vs sml blocks..ie potential fakes? Thx
I just seen your articale on your 69 z28 very interresting.i have the first 68 z28 adealer demo.
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Great information! The 1967 was by the easiest to decode. What is your car’s original color? I see the trim tag is missing, is why I ask.
In 1992 I bought a 1975 Impala because someone had put some 186 heads on the engine in it. I paid $100 for the car. Took it home and pulled the engine and scrapped the rest.
Got into the engine and the block was an "mp" code. 1967. 302.. had the solid cam and popups still. It had 1970 186 heads on it. I rebuilt it in my garage and put it in my 69 Chevelle which I traded off soon after. Wish I still had both the engine and the car.
You didn't discuss the trim tag with either X33 (usually RS pkg) or X77 (base) codes.....or the fact that real Z's had a single 3/8" fuel line with no return line.
Trim tag wasn't on the car and its hard to explain what isn't there... Most of the time you find a Camaro in the wild, cowl tag is gone... Also.. fuel lines have been removed due to the car being raced.. I tried to provide real world knowledge that I use in a junkyard daily to figure out what cars are..
x77 wasn't necessarily 'base'-i had x77 for 25 yrs-was all original except for one repaint-it had high back comfort weave seats -console and a very rare rear window defoger which worked which you can decode all these extras by trim tag
@@jimjessie2704 I should have been more clear. The X33 package was for Rally Sport options. The X77 was for the 'normal' or base models. Yes, you could get consoles and better seats and door panels in the X77 models.
Absolutely brilliant instantly subscribed
I’ve been told that the trunk spring is heavier to be able to lift the trunk lid with the added weight of the spoiler.
That’s true but spoilers could be ordered on any 69 camaro
It's not heavier, it's located in a different slot in the bracket in the trunk.
This is the best 69 Camaro z28 information video I’ve ever seen, damm come to the Tampa Florida area and decode my 68 Camaro,, I’d pay you ,, lol.
Informative, interesting video but also sad to see a genuine Z28 completely gutted. I’m a former Ford guy who owned a 70 Boss 302 back then.
nice car, do good with it
Vin tags don’t help much on cars that were not id’d as a z28, also, the gills are not a sure thing. My Z is a trim delete. No wheelwell trim holes, no gill holes, and painted body color drip rails.
Very good video. As I also understand, Z-28's will not have factory A/C or power steering.
No Automatic transmission either.
@@Shakerhood69 Correct. I should have mentioned that in my original comment.
Z/28s could have power steering..
@@roberthorner , correct. I bought one (Sept 69) in Oxnard, CA from a Chevy dealership and it had power steering. Very good and fast car.
I know someone who had a 1970 z/28 & it had PS! I bet the 69, did too!
It should have had the 302 in it also which was one mean motor
It would be interesting to see a folllow-up video on the 67-68 Z28, a much less common beast.
without a build sheet, '67 & '68 Z's are very hard to authenticate...
@@kennydemartini2169 67’s are easy with trim tag. 4L on tag.
So the vin number you mentioned, how do you know from the 70 after the N is Oct of 69? Isnt the trim tag a better way of getting the build date?
Hey Taylor, the Camaro in the video didn’t have a cowl tag but yes you would correct! The production numbers and months they are made can be found online pretty easily!
Good video, informative. Coming from a body and paint perspective...son don't sit on the car, especially the roof
I remember a raffle for what they claimed was a 1969 Z-28 years ago. Saw the car. Typical Z-28 emblems and skunk stripes. It also had a 350, automatic and air-conditioning. 🙄
Rear end is off a 67. Mono leaf and same side shocks
Are all x77 cowl tags z28 s ? Thanks
Very well done.👍 Now what do you know about Yanko Camaro s ?
I grew up in PA... ole Canonsburg is right down the road
Enough to know it's Yenko and not Yanko. :-) Sorry...couldn't resist...
M21 and m22 close ratio Muncies only came in ss or z28 the provisions on the firewall are different than a Saginaw cast iron 4 speed
Speedometer cable entered at different location
@@dustinneace7300 Yes if I remember correctly the speedometer cable on a Saginaw goes in on the passenger side (right) & a Muncie goes in on the drivers side (left). Found this out years ago, I had a ‘68 RS/SS Camaro with a Muncie behind a 396. Ended up with a broken synchronizer so I came across a Saginaw with a Hurst V-Gate shifter, complete. Everything went together well except when it was time to hook up the speedometer cable. Just left it unhooked rather than ruining the cable do to the twist that would’ve been required to hook it up to the Saginaw.
did not have to be x33 to have to have the good trim-i owned a 69 z/28 for almost 25 yrs-it was a x77 and had chrome louvers in front of rear wheels.rear window defogger,wood trim interior,console,cowl hood,comfort weave high back seats,daytona yellow black stripes-very nice car and options were original ,matching trim tag
you car was worked on
not according to trim tab--don't know how old you are but i owned a 68--69 and 70 z/28's--bought them all used 2 or 3 yrs old with low mileage,i as with everyone else did not know what i had and with jimmy carter nobody could afford the gas,you couldn't even get any so that was end of muscle car era but have the memories--another thing ,you could order a car any way you wanted and they would build it for you@@backyardbarnfinds
I used to eat those things with my 67 GTA Fastback Mustang. And they were the ones who started every race.
I would assume you had the 390 and not the 289? The Z/28 was basically from the trans am series which is a road course not a straight line.. doesn't surprise me..
Don't believe that. My 69 Z had very few problems with most Mustangs. I used to race (373 gear) starting at 4000 RPM. I was in first gear and other car were in second gear. Right at the start of my power curve. A Z with 456 or 488 was formidable in the quarter mile.
@@gw3598 Most of these kind of comments about beating other cars are useless. Unless they tell the whole story. Were there any mods on each? Headers and other mods were common back then, I lived those years. Even a 390 stock gta is not very fast. But then the z's were not really either. Probably pretty closely matched if both stock, although I would bet on the z, and I was mostly a ford guy back then.
Two things..early z28 didn't have the brake pressure regulator.. before January 69.and if the car had consol gauges it didn't have the hole under the wiring harness plug..that hole was for non consol cars..
Don’t believe tach was mandatory on 69 Z/28. I ordered my 68 Z/28 without the gauges (tach).
In may 1969 they were all required
@@backyardbarnfinds , correct. I bought one (Sept 69) in Oxnard, CA from a Chevy dealership. It had a factory dash board tach and center console gauges. Very good and fast car.
My dad had an early build 69 z. Flat hood, no spoiler, no center console and no tach.
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you stand corrected not all 69 Z's came with a tachometer
I heard that the "N" in "VIN" stands for "Number" making the term "VIN number" redundant.
5 point 8 inches? how long is point 8? 1/8th? 16/ths? 32nds?
3/4 of an inch is .75. A 1/16 is .0625. .80 would be between 3/4 and 13/16 (.8125) of an inch.
Get a tutor dude.
REBUILD IT
Doesnt the options tag have "Z28"
what about the early 70 Z
Just check the cowl tag bro
This car didn’t have one like most project Camaros, and you can fake/get remade to anything you want for 200$
Fake tags are illegal. Most experts can spot a fake tag . Without original drive train and paperwork its just a 69 Camaro
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Thanks Man, Means A Lot!
Any chance you could help me out with this cowl tag im trying to see if it's real 1969 SS camaro thanks
I verified all the top and middle numbers the very bottom numbers and letters are...x11d...then to far right R582....any help is much appreciated
I got confused when he mentioned the hide away headlight cuz the z28 jad the option for them
The RS opinion was available on X33 z cars
302 motor can be revved to 8k
Unlikely but if so that would be about 1 or 2 thousand over the power peak
You never speak of any Rare 1968 S S models very rare ?
Lucky dog
You need a late model one mine is X77D80 car 6969pnt code the early ones were not x cars so many fakes plus 8 grand tach and Guage package
If it's a real Z/28, where is the power brake booster? All 69 Z/28's had power discs at least up front, with some having the rare 4 wheel discs. Also, is the cowl tag in place? If it is, it will state it as either an x33 or x77 car.
Someone took the brake booster and the disc brake rearend off the car before he bought it.
Did super sports also have all the things your pointing out?
For the most part yes.. These are the things you want to look for when finding rare camaros
Ok so the most important thing is the X3?
My friend bought one and cowl tag was gone it was into road racing car and number behind seat was covered in metal
@@MrDjh66 Yes, had a couple that had metal over also.. and yes x3 is most important (east coast cars only)
Ok thank you
If this car was manufactured October 69, wouldn't it be a 70 model year?
My dads got a this 69 z28 sitting in garage sitting under blankets
Where are you located?
@@backyardbarnfinds Colorado
Sad that it was hacked up.
Can you imagine trying to find the disc brake 12 bolt and springs to put that car back right? $$$$$$$$$$
But no Z/28 came with a 10 bolt differential!! So whats going on????