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00:00 - Opening
02:08 - Roll Bar Basics
04:01 - Anti Roll Bar Theory
05:35 - Load Transfer & Anti Roll Bars
09:38 - Balancing a car with anti roll bars
13:22 - The two ways you can achieve balance
14:20 - 3-wheeling into a corner
16:55 - Anti roll bar basic setup and how to adjust
22:15 - US track anti roll bar setup
29:28 - Finnish track anti roll bar setup
33:50 - Anti roll bar conclusion
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I've known of anti roll bars for many years. when I was young my dad always taught me to focus more on suspension and setup than pure power in racing. but this is the most concise and detailed explanation I've ever seen anyone give before. lots of people don't understand it because there are few good explanations of it out there.
Thank you for the time you put into this series! You are one of the few that understand it well enough to teach it to others!! Great work
Love all of your videos. I have been racing for years, and I’m learning so much more about tuning overall with them.
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So appreciative for you posting and covering this topic. Especially targeting the majority of drivers skill levels who want to learn and better understand what changes do for our cars. Keep it up and I look forward to your future videos. Thank you!
The book just arrived at my door a few days ago and I happened to read this section yesterday, and a video just pop up. What a day.
The course is awesome, watched all of it, totaly worth the money many times, go and get it if you are racing. For me it was i finaly understand why i made that change not because of previous expirience, but because of knowledge. Last race was for me like drive 1 tank, completly changed car in 1 go with my new knowledge and it drives nearly perfect, and then i made only minor changes trough the day.
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Every time i consider starting racing, i realize how difficult the art of racing is. The knowledge behind the technical know how, makes my brain have melt down. So much knowledge here .. nice video as always bro.
JQ you must've read my mind on this topic I was just wondering for the past week about which way I needed to go on changing my antiroll bars thank you for dropping this video just in time!
JQ got us all up in here taking notes! 😆
Best videos on CZcams for the RC racer in mind.
Best R/C videos I've ever seen, period.
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Danm man, happy I found your channel, keep up this top quality work, figuring this stuff out must have given you a headache
Excellent. Your videos are the best learning tool. I now understand the role of anti roll bars in conjunction with each other.
Fantastic video, very educational and easy to understand. Thanks brotha, keep up the good work! You're really helping new racers like me :)
Thanks for this video! You help a lot understanding how to adjust your car. I hope the Mayako project will be sucessfull!
NICE VIDEO !! Love it ! Coll to see the different setup works !
Awesome video, very clear and informative, with evidence and images to show theory! a great series and a great course.
Nice work! Love your videos
Thank you for your videos. I find your videos very helpful. You have really broken down the physics.
Great stuff JQ thanks
i just finished a 30min video and wrote a full details of roll bar on my book at 5am in my room :D thank you for your explaination, i will visit this video again. and yeah, subscribed
I know this is an older video, but it took me 2 hours to get through 38 minutes of video. I was pausing, note taking, looking at my Typhon 6s, then back to the video. Very thorough video, thanks for taking the time to explain this for us all. The Typhon 6s BLX comes with 2.4 front, 2.7mm rear.
Awesome tutorial. My favorite so far. So many thanks. One thing to add is checking your roll bar for flatness. It's common to bend you roll bars making your buggy handle different left right and vise versa. Again thank you for this video.
This is the most comprehensive breakdown and analysis with step by step explanation. Thank you for your hard work and time sharing this insight and knowledge. Keep up the amazing work its inspiring.
Great info champ . 🏆
Just what I need, I've been having trouble getting my four wheel car working (overstreering on astro like crazy) and this video was like a punch in the eye, thanks a lot!
Great video man!
thank you for taking the time to make these videos it will greatly help me for sure and others that follow this it may be hard for a newbie but they will learn over time
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Great vid, as usual :)
Perfect video, well explained 👏 👌
Great video mate it’s a complex topic roll bars as well as roll centre. With the help of your book and videos I’m getting it :)
I'm not even racing, I just love bashing but your explanation is really interesting and understandable
Top quality informations, thank you for sharing!
Great work.
Massive thankyou from a newbie racer looking to improve and get my buggy set up ….
Grat video JQ, surprised you didn't touch on the effect of softer or harder sway bars vs shock angles
Keep up the great work
Excellent treatise. Thank you.
Very helpful, thank you
Thanks you thank you always JQ.
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Ran into your channel and have been watching them. Thank you for all your time and great knowledge. Time to keep watching more of them 👍🏻
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😊 I appreciate your knowledge and wisdom that you share with us. I’m hoping just to know my car as well as I can the results will come out in the heat once again I think you for your time and I appreciate what you’ve done.
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Very technical and interesting ! 👍
Thank you. Great video
Thank you Sir. The best video on the subject I have ever seen.
Amazing, Thank you!!!
Wow great vid ,I got a lot out of it . Cheers from New Zealand
Amazing intel. Thanks Jq. I'm using this for touring cars. Much of it is the same
Thank you so much to show us this theorycraft. Im new in this world, ill be watching more videos ab you. Cheers!
Thanks for the tips
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Spot on.
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I'm applying some of your techniques to off road carpet racing and it seems to be working. Fast lap times for stock 17.5 blinky class is mid 17's and because of your videos I'm running low 18's and breaking onto high 17 second lap times . I feel like I'm finally catching up to the faster guys
nice video it helpt me a.lot
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Awesome video ! This may help me out with my recent experience with my kyosho TKi2 on a loose track . Being that the car is setup out of the box for high grip tracks . The car felt amazing every where on the track other than it pushed really bad on slow sharp corners . It pushed initially at the corner . The rolls bars are 2.6 front and 2.8 rear . So I will try reducing both roll bars . I was afraid to change anything else on the car because it was so good that I didn’t want to go backwards . But the anti roll bars totally back sense without loosing the balance . Thanks JQ!
I feel that reducing is going in the right direction. I'm 2.3 front on my ebuggy and 2.4 nitro. Seems to really work well with 2.6 rears. However I do feels slight difference between the two. I may run the 2.3 on the nitro. I feel as tho the ebuggy isn't pushing as much like you mention.
@@kwikNvaracing good info thank you ! I will try 2.6 rear and 2.4 front
Totally agree with your first poin. I often say the same thing about guitar I grew up in the 90s when you had to get tablets your books and Rewind your cassette tape a million times to learn a solo nowadays you just pop on CZcams and you can learn so much more in the same time I think a working guitarist could definitely have been in a massive Advantage if he can have the technology of today and CZcams excetera while we going up against guys pre-internet era. Injured track racing they say if your car is hooking up good that left front tire should barely be off the ground about 50% of the corner.
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Well done, I might be an outlier but Im about .5 seconds a lap faster and more consistent without roll bars. That said I play around a lot with camber link and shock position to make it work. lol (rough and dusty track)
Brilliant 🇮🇪
Thanks! :-)
I been watching your video and I'm trying to understand. Most advices is basic layman stuff I already know. Been watching your videos and trying to understand . Not sure if I get it but my lap times have improved. I'm not as fast as I want to be but I'm a lot faster than I was. My car feels like it's in the track. If I make a mistake and flip over my car always seems to land on its Wheels. It feels like it's in the track now, my lap times have improved my consistency has improved
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Excellent video, JQ... a well-deserved *THANK YOU* from me! *Question:* what about anti-roll bar preload, or the choking-up of the bar in the collets? What is that used for? If it's used for increasing "thickness" (tension) of the bar in use, as intermediate values, then at what point does one increase, or step up, the thickness of the bar?
You cant move the link a lot because it will bind at the end of suspension travel.
Used to be back in the day first step if the car was too tight get rid of the ARB. I used to try and talk people out of doing that, normally people wouldn’t listen.
I love how you explain the weight transfer concept with a roll bar and how some of the load is actually absorbed by the spring. That helped me understand the counter-intuitive nature of it. I thought a stiffer roll bar decreases weight transfer on that end because it limits body roll.
That raises another couple of questions for me. If adding roll bars reduces overall grip, why are they used at all? Is it a question of balancing the car while using as little ARB as possible? Is there any situation where you would want to increase both roll bars while keeping the balance the same?
Because you have to limit roll somehow, because if you dont you wont be able to control the car. When grip increases you go thicker up to a point.
lol i wasnt wrong. i used to debate with my friends at the track. they claimed thicker roll bars increased traction. i would counter that thicker bars decreased traction. i knew i was right haha. thicker bars do increase traction on the opposite end of the chassis, and no one believed me ...
Awesome video, going to check out more and your site!
In the video you mention 1/8th and bars sizes(thicker rear than front), where would you recommend starting for short corse 2nd trucks? Thicker rear bar than front like 1/8 scale? Factory front is 1.3mm and no bar rear.
A good driver, at least in real race cars is that a harder rear end allows for a pointier front turn in, but you need to pick up the throttle gently on exit as the rear will be taily.
If you dial in more rear toe in, you can help mitigate the rear end sway bar stiffness and sort of have your cake and eat it too.
This is not an amateur set up IMO, but you can be very quick on a tarmac course if you learn to drive it with finesse and patience.
Having this setup also needs a more gentler approach to trail braking into a corner as the back can come around. A more front biased brake adjustment is def a good safety margin to start with and can set it rearward slowly from there.
I know this is off point from your video, but I race in 1:1 cars as well as instruct, setup race cars etc. I think you are def on point here and I have raced 1:8th buggy's many years ago. I wish I knew what I know now back then.............lol. Great video, thanks.
Tnaks for the video :) I miss the information about mounting position. How the mounting of both ends of antirollbar affects the handling. With this I mean if there is any effect how far are the ends pushed into the pivot ball. Thanks
Great video , if you only had one sway bar would it be more affective on the front or rear of the car ? And would your choice of position change from high grip to low grip surface?
Well, thank you very very very very very very very very*N much!!!
Would the same rules apply to 2wd and 4wd? I'm trying to set up a Pro4 SC10 for astroturf with tight turns, very helpful video.
Hi! Please help me dial my 1/5 Hpi Baja 5sc. I was racing it on a open 2wd category. I put same thickness swaybar on front and rear. I notice if the track high grip it turns great but once the track is dry I suffer fish tailing . Can you help me please. Thanks.
Can you make a video on how the height the roll bar is from the arm changes its effects I assume shorter distance engagement will be sooner but idk if it's a factor
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Interesting. I recently changed my Tekno NB48 2.0 sway bars from stock 2.3/2.5 (mm F/R) to 2.6/2.2 in an effort to stop a traction roll issue on a higher speed, somewhat bumpy, left sweeper on my local track. If it helped, it's not much as I still traction roll. I have a 2.8 front bar to try too and I suppose I could try running no rear bar as an experiment. Might try wider hexes. Ride height is stock and I don't want to go lower as there's a big double jump. Maybe could go lower with bump stops added to shock shafts?
Try different rate springs.
Good job. BUT can you help me out. My son runs carpet only/two wheel drive team associated buggy 6.2
The buggy class here where I live is the number one class, (high compilation) four wheel drive cars have a lot of leeway because of the push /pull design
So any ideas that you have for two wheel drive BUGGY would be helpful
Thanks
Rick
Is it the same concept if your running a 4wd truck? Or does 4wd change the game completely?
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
I’m running on a very low grip dusty and loamy Sandy and extremely bumpy dirt track
I have totally removed both front and rear roll bars to try to achieve more grip. Is that a good idea?
Most likely no it's not. You need to limit roll, and you do need initial grip. Car set up is never extreme when it comes to racing around a track.
i run 4wd offroad carpet. if i want more initial turn in (or even just more overall turning ) on power i should increase my rear anti roll bar?
You can try, but maybe better to increase your diff oils
Anything specific for 2wd?
Is it common for people to run anti toll bars on indoor clay tracks with 2wd buggies
Are you gonna be at A1 this Saturday?
so if a thicker anti roll bar increases load transfer is that because it will want to pick up the inside tire reducing the overall grip of the "axle"? if a thicker anti roll bar will want to pick up the inside wheel then why wouldnt that keep the car more level therefor also increasing overall grip?
Because keeping the car level is at the expense of load transfer. Roll does not = load transfer, it delays it.
Great!! Thanks for this AAA quality video!! How can we send you a video from our track from Argentina to get some advice about it. (It call "speed paradise track" with a new design since 2020) Thanks in advance!
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