Nirvana Pearl Jam Feud: Kurt Cobain vs Eddie Vedder
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Band rivalries and feuds are nothing new, but one of the stranger feuds to emerge out of the 90’s were between alternative rock bands Pearl Jam and Nirvana. But was it real or was it just all created by the media and what did the band members and their peers feel about the whole thing? That’s what were going to explore today.
It seems strange to think that Pearl Jam and Nirvana had some sort of feud or rivalry between them when you consider everything that’s been put out there about the seattle music scene. If you’ve read the books Everybody Loves our Town or Grunge is Dead, both of which are great books. Ii highly recommend them. They paint seattle especially in the 80’s as a place which was a tight knit community, and bands helped each other out. So the rivalry between Pearl Jam and Nirvana took people by surprise considering they both shot to popularity around the same time and both struggled with fame.. If anything both bands should’ve understood what the other was going through.
While Pearl Jam and Nirvana sonically sounded different the media lumped them in together under the umbrella “grunge” and they still both appealed to the same generation of people as the LA Times would put it “a generation of young people, aged 15 to 25, who feel they have been shortchanged by the American Dream."
Pearl Jam guitarist mike mcready would tell author Mark Yarm in everybody loves our town “I remember after the new years eve 1991 show somebody running onto the bus and saying Nirvana had just hit number 1. I remember thinking wow it’s on now, it changed everything. We had something to prove that our band was as good as i thought it was.” In the same book Pearl Jam’s manager Kelly Curtis revealed how Epic Records, Pearl Jam’s label struggled to market the band initially. They didn’t know whether the band was metal or alternative, but he credited Nirvana for opening the door to radio. Vedder would even admit in the same book that while he thought Pearl Jam’s debut Ten was good, he thought Nirvana’s first record was better (although it’s not clear whether he was referring to nirvana’s first album bleach or their first major label debut ) nevermind.
The website knkx.org interviewed Charles R Cross a local seattle writer and author of the kurt cobain biography heavier than heaven who claimed the feud stemmed from several interviews Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain did. Cobain was tired of discussing his drug addiction and wanted to talk about anything else and it wasn’t out of the ordinary for him to talk about other bands in good and bad ways. One of those bands was pearl jam. Given that Nirvana and Pearl Jam were some of the biggest bands at the time Cobain’s comments carried quite a bit of weight and the media immediately latched onto them. Perhaps the most famous line Cobain stated about Pearl Jam was that the band was "pioneering a corporate alternative and cock-rock fusion." In the book everybody loves our town Pearl Jam bassist Jeff Ament would weigh in on the feud saying “kurt was talking shit about us and we talked a little shit back. In retrospect i thinnk it waas when when we got interviewed the seoncd or third question was about nirvana and i’m sure they were getting the same questions about us. Ament would point the finger at writer Michael Azzerad for igniting the feud. He was the author behind the 1993 book come as you are
Cobain would also give an interview Rolling Stone in 1994 where he an exchange that went s follows:
Interviewer: “It’s never been entirely clear what this feud with Vedder was about”.
“There never was one. I slagged them off because I didn’t like their band. I hadn’t met Eddie at the time. It was my fault; I should have been slagging off the record company instead of them. They were marketed. not probably against their will. But without them realizing they were being pushed into the grunge bandwagon.”
“Yeah, I do. Except I’m pretty sure that they didn’t go out of their way to challenge their audience as much as we did with this record. They’re a safe rock band. They’re - Hudba
Here's why Pearl Jam stopped making music videos czcams.com/video/XsXL3KPJfno/video.html
Even Flow
Single Video Theory has worked remarkably well for literally a single band in the golden age of music video hype.
David grohl is god to us
What music did you use in this video
@@Jake-hh7gg S
Song :Cannon
Band?: Silent Partner
Never a feud for the guys. Kurt just didn’t like their music but had high praise for Eddie as a person. Was happy To see them hug it out.
See that’s a weird thing kurt was always putting a lot of meaning to the songs he wrote and Pearl jam had so much meaning on ten so to have a so called feud between both bands is just nuts and made no sense
@UCz9e_XgyezlqOQHSIXU_mVw yet Alice in chains ditched the glam image and went for a metal approach. The issue I have with the three other bands is they bashed other bands without ever really hearing them so it’s stupid to be putting other bands seemingly because you judge before you hear which is not uncommon at all I just think it’s lame not every hair metal band is terrible
@Andrew Geraci it's there already. I think this is what you are looking for: czcams.com/video/eEtp4WnoGbY/video.html
@@joehobbs3277 To be honest, W.A.S.P. were a great band in my opinion. And they were glam. They were shock, they could sing really well and give a great live show to the audiences.
Kurt not liking Pearl Jam isn't even a big deal. I don't take that opinion that seriously cause Kurt wrote down his favorite albums of all time and I don't agree with a lot of what's on there, it's all musical opinions. He also didn't even like his own album "Nevermind" that much due to the mainstream production or singles or whatever. Kurt had many opinions and changed his mind sometimes it seemed. Kurt and Eddie were on friendly terms regardless. That's how people used to be more back in those simpler times. Even when people disagreed they could still be friends and mingle, cause it was about respect, not about who's right or wrong.
I'm not the biggest Pearl Jam fan but Kurt sniping at their band/Vedder was unnecessary. It also shows he wasn't completely above that sort of rock star pettiness either as we are often lead to believe. Which is to say, he was only human after all.
Kurt just needed to feed his already inflated ego.
Well that’s part of the problem with people, it’s like they think once someone dies you can’t ever say or bring up anything negative about them. People always want to put them on a pedestal as if they were perfect and untouchable
Why unnecessary? Pearl Jam sucks. They’re The Eagles of their generation.
@@michaelschweitzer6718 if Pearl jam suck, then Nirvana would be even worse.
Well, he died at 27. We all had a little a hole inside at that age. He never had the chance to outgrow it and everything he did or said was published
I’ll put it this way....they were in their 20s... we’ve all said and done stupid things in our 20s
Yeah that’s probably it.
His support foy gays I could mention, poor guy didn't know what they truly are
@@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484 Leave the gays alone and go figure out how to be secure in your manhood
@@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484 and what are they truly you little man?
He was getting asked questions he'd probably never thought about before.
The thing is, all the bands that came out at that time from Seattle all had their own unique style and sound. The only thing in common was their hometown and their uniqueness... comparing Pearl Jam to Nirvana is like comparing apples and oranges.
More like comparing mandarins to tangerines. Or granny smith to golden delicious. Same but different.
I mostly agree with what you’ve stated, but I believe the main thing they had in common, and the reason they were all lumped into the same group, and as ridiculous as it sounds, was their clothing. If you wore flannel, jeans, Docs/army boots, you were considered “grunge.” Look no further than the movie “Singles” and Matt Dillon’s character. This is why MLB was considered “glam,” as Andy Wood wouldn’t be caught dead wearing that shit. 😁
@@thewhiteelephant you're 100% right !
Pearl Jam was actually from San Diego. That's what Kurt didn't like. They relocated to Seattle and changed their clothing style to wearing flannels etc in order to be "grunge." He didn't respect them because of that.
@@thewhiteelephant cobain wear funnel?
Kurt was quite the enigma. In one breath he'd rail against selling out and in the next he'd compare Nirvana to other bands like there was a competition. True art has no competition.
Pearl Jam isn't even close to Nirvana. Of course Kirt didn't like them, why would he? They are a boring depressing pop music band for mainstream emos trying to be edgy. Peal Jam was a mood bomb at parties in the 90s. I cant stand PJ. Never have. Headache music. They don't have ONE song worth the time of day. Overhyped pop group.
@@mackashlol nirvana is sloppy drug music that death made famous
@@jacobfilasky2729 Yeah, it hasn't aged well. It was great when it first hit, for a couple of years, then it was a groupie thing all of a sudden. Every party was drowning in it.. I was over Nirvana before Kirt took the nap. I started going to raves. To get away from the grunge mess at first. Ended up being the best decision ever made. Raves in the 90s was where it was really at.
It was the same thing with Chilli Peppers Blood Magic album. Got SO sick of hearing it at every single party. Nirvana, Offspring, Pearl Jam, and Chilli pepps. Horrible.
I dont listen to any of that style anymore. I can put on a Metallica Master of Puppets record, Pink Floyd, even GNR and ACDC, they are timeless, but not Nirvana and NEVER Pearl Jam. You couldn't pay me to own a PJ record. I'd break the vinly in half.
@@mackash i hear you, I can enjoy both but not want to listen to the full album. But most bands lose their magic once the music stops being spontaneous
The acerbic aspects of Cobain's personality could be tiresome at times, in my opinion. But we tend to forget that these are young artists in their 20s.
The problem is that those aspects were what comprised all of his art and public persona. He was using his platform of rock stardom to teach kids how to feel like victims. I wonder if the guilt from that is what caused him to take his own life.
Cobain dying was a great career move for himself.
The guy way more popular, previous to that he was just a guy trying way too hard to be zany.
@@chrisconley8583 I always though if he had lived his career would have gone the way of Axel Rose just trying to stay relevant like he was decade years prior. I think Nirvana would have broken up soon anyways if he didn’t die.
Foo Fighters would have just come together a little later but would have been bigger anyways
@@deadmansgulf911 amen, partially what killed Cobain and was going to be the doom of Nirvana was weight. Not the weight of what was on Cobain’s mind, I’m talking load bearing weight.
Nirvana never had a major North American tour that shows were held in front of 15,000 people at either a shed or arena. That’s where the band was headed, which would involve 18 wheelers, lighting, a major sound system, a lot more tour buses, maybe a private jets, an army of roadies, possibly lasers and smoke all on a big heavy stage. Nirvana wasn’t built for that, their business model wasn’t meant to handle that. Walking by the merch area and seeing 20 different styles of T-shirts on sale, available with a Visa, Master Card, or Amex would have been comical at best.
Funny you mention Rose, because that’s what partially took G&R out. They went big time…which good for them, the problem is keeping that going and also coming back bigger the next time around. The Stones, the Dead, The Allman Brothers, Metallica, Bob Jovi 🤷🏻♂️and even slightly Aerosmith knew at times, take a break from the public every few years, in some cases do their own things individually and smaller. Then come back “big”. Nobody was the wiser. Both Nirvana and G&R didn’t have that luxury. Pearl Jam was smart, start a fight with the mega corp Ticketmaster. They come across as more virtuous annnnd got to slow the “weight”.
Hell it’s what took out the Beatles. Hypothetically let’s say that Lennon and Harrison would have been alive to do some 40th Anniversary Tour in 2006. Picture a meeting and Lennon being told he needs to stand in a certain place when the pyro went off, Ringo’s drum riser would have been so high and back from the crowd that he’d have no connection with the fans, Harrison look at the tour dates and be perplexed at how a 40th Anniversary Tour would need to be 3 years long. McCartney would have gotten so frustrated trying to pick a 22-25 song set list that the 4 of them in unison and for different reasons said “Fuck off” rather quickly.
Nirvana was a small band that got way too big, too quickly for their own good.
While I love Nirvana's music, Cobain sure fancied himself the policeman of music. He's a music Karen.
I think Cobain wanted to hand-pick his fans. Like he was trying to gate keep his own music. The bizz doesn't work that way when you're 2 albums into a 5-album multimillion dollar deal with a major label
Pretty much what mayhem and their shitty egoistic guitarist did.
@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 eh Kurt and Eddie hugged it out and we’re fine the other was a complete scum bag piece of shit
@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 agree
Eddie was able to do one thing, he was able to outlive almost every one else.
That's nothing to boast about. Not that it would be convenient for Pearl Jam to have less competition, because they were never about that. All these other musicians who have passed away over the years from the Seattle music scene and others were dear friends with Eddie and the guys from PJ. I'm pretty sure "I managed to outlive the rest" isn't something that goes through his mind when thinking of the other musicians/friends he made it out with through the 90s.
Cause he didn't live on the edge like he wanted everyone to think
The other remnants are Jerry Cantrell and Billy Corgan
Who cares
UK umm no I mean he didn't live on the edge. He was actually extremely selfish... but yeah who cares. He's old and boring now so whatevs
I'll always love PJ no matter what. My 16 year old cousin was dying of a terminal bone cancer in the 90's and all he wanted from make a wish was to see PJ. They wrote him, called him, made video's, sent him copies before they were released and paid for his way plus his family to go see them since he lived in a small town hour's away from a major city. They didn't have to do that at all. They continued even after his death to keep in contact with a few of us and his family sending them unreleased copies for Randy's collection that still stays in his room untouched since his death. I love them. Period. They've always been nice and remained humble. Kurt so wanted to be different even though from the same area. He always wanted to be complicated when it's not really that hard to see through. He was a narcissistic turd sometimes. Sure he had mental issues and he had a huge heart as well but when it come to his music he was a true narcissistic turd. Mental illness doesn't cause that type of attitude say whatever you want but being a turd because you feel you suffered harder, longer whatever the case. I know he wasn't always like that and he charged here and there but he was also a true hypocrite for saying he didn't want jocks at his show while preaching change and he did change some for the better but had no problems telling those people to leave he didn't want them there. That's crazy to me. They changed because of you and that's what you wanted but then hated them and didn't want them as fans? Crazy hypocrite. I know he was a " tortured" soul and I do think he lightened up and that's great but he could be a spoiled turd and changed with fame good and bad like most people not even famous and rich. I still love his music but PJ deserved just as much as they did and I'm glad to see them carry on and still be great humans. I hate he took his life and would have loved to grown with them throughout the years but at least we got a good taste. I love all your faces PJ for being so sweet and going over the call for my cousin and us throughout this tragedy. He's still missed greatly but your kindness and love remains the best gift given to my cousin and his family. It will never be forgotten nor listed on any website for sale, ever!
True story?
Thanks for sharing the story I've heard Pearl Jam always did great things for people
Stone Gossard was/is my favorite
I always find the “anti-establishment rockstar” to be silly when they have a brand-name cigarette in their mouth. I believe Kurt smoked Marlboro. 🤦♂️
Anti-establishment? Not if you’re smoking their cigarettes and drinking their alcohol.
@@jaykay6970
Why would he lie about that
The "alt-rock" purity spiral. People act like Nirvana were the creators of the sound, when the true pioneers were bands like Mudhoney, The Screaming Trees and Melvins. Watch the movie Hype.
Just add a dash of Pixies
Mother Love Bone was the original. Without them, most of the Seattle sound would never have made it.
As it is, it's a crying shame Nirvana was made 'the face' of it.
I think most people know Nirvana didnt "create the sound" they just brought it to the main stream. After Smells like teen spirit video game out and it was getting radio play that was it, grunge and Seattle sound was the thing
@@hydguy Nirvana was made the face because they were the most popular. Without Smells like Teen spirit the masses never hear of Mudhoney, Melvins, Screaming, Janes, Soundgarden etc and they keep playing in backalley clubs for 300 people
Screaming trees, melvins. Shitty band name, shitty band
I remember seeing Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers back in December ‘91 during a short west coast tour they did...........pretty awesome, all bands involved kicked ass
Dude, I'm so Jelly
There are several clips of that tour on YT. Most of them involve Flea playing horn on SLTS.
80s rhcp was the best
@MrsFoxAkimbo you
RHCP are terrible. Flea is the one that carries them. Anthony, worst singer ever.
I remember Kurt at one point said he thought he was wrong of his opinion on Pearl Jam.
I seem to remember in one of those books, that Kurt realized Eddie was passionate about what he was doing, or something along those lines. Seems like there was mutual respect there, even if they weren't Kurt's cup of tea
He wasn't.They sucked
@@JK-gm6kk yes! I remember reading that. They are both great.. or nirvana was or whatever. U get my point. I'm still a fan lol
Source?
I think he probably hated their polish and proficiency as musicians as well as long Hendrix style guitar solos. Apparently blues guitar licks in alternative is "cock rock".
Kurt: 'I dont like Big Bands, oh hey let me introduce you to our Manager..Danny Goldberg'
Kurt: *listen to The Beatles aka the biggest band and douches in the world*
hahahaha, aint that right
Agreed. Total hypocrite.
@@latentsea what a big brain take. 🤦
Always knew Cobain was a hypocrite but I had no idea he was also such a diva.
In addition to Kurt's well-known insecurities he wasn't the most eloquent speaker in interviews. I have a feeling his initial dislike of PJ had more to do with he couldn't read or hear a single word about his own band in the media without also hearing about PJ which a) he didn't particularly like and b) lumped them into the same bin. So he went more extreme in his comments than he probably meant because that frustration with the media had been pent up for so long. And, of course, the media fed fuel to that like they do.
I completely agree. Being in my early to mid 20s at the time (ugh I feel old), we had just come out of this HUGE metal phase. National music media didn't really know what to call this "new" Seattle music. The 80s were all about fun, partying & excess, but this music was something very different. It was introspective and spoke of complicated issues. It had a heavier, darker sound that was reminiscent of the 60s singer songwriter era, but more complex & modern. The media just slapped the label GRUNGE on any band that remotely had that sound. It didn't matter whether they had been in the trenches struggling for years &/or started out as punk rock bands or if they had just jumped on the bandwagon (pun intended) 2 months earlier. Either way, "Grunge" was something new & different, so MTV, media & record companies went at it full force because there was big $$$ to be made.
For most of these musicians, they may have literally went from tiny clubs & couch surfing to record contracts & stadium tours within 4-5 months. You can be completely sober & have zero mental health issues & that's gonna be a huge adjustment in life. Exciting, sure, but also terrifying. These were young men (& some women) who had no training in how to deal with the media, who are like buzzards & pick apart every word & infer into everything little thing they say. PR was not quite art that it is today & this was in the dial up AOL days, so no social media. It was all about sound bites on MTV news & articles in music magazines. It was a very different time.
I suspect Kurt was, in reality, a very insecure person who'd had a shitty upbringing. People like that often aren't the best at communicating. He was dealing with debilitating depression, which is hell, I've been there myself. Add drugs & drink to that, but then add constant pressure to top yourself & being pitted against other band's work. That's a lot for someone who was not really physically, mentally or emotionally healthy during that time.
My opinion only, but I always felt like Nirvana & Pearl Jam were just very different bands. Honestly, I liked them both, but felt their sound was too different for them to be constantly compared as much as they were, but that's just me. Ok, novella over. 😂
Nerrrr duf
@@BooBooKittyFuzzyBritches douche box.... Now you know who you are 😎💯
Like... Gold doesn't look soft when the whole world comes down on it?
@@BooBooKittyFuzzyBritches Excellently worded, I enjoyed reading that.👍 Ive loved Nirvana since I was 12, Im 41 now. And its been fascinating over the years re-reading classic interviews , watching footage of Kurt and Eddie from the time and articulating it all from older, reflective perspective. Kurt over time absolutly became respectful of Eddie , and at least admitted it to an extent.
I totally agree with you that he was very insecure about so many tings, and found it tough being compared to other bands that, unbeknownst to him were more or less having the same difficulties in dealings with tings too, but were perhaps able to get on with it in public a bit better. Kurt wanted inside, to be in a big band, but at the same time I think he simply found the actuality of it hard to adjust. His initial rejection of Eddie was more than likely an insecure, and wrong moved reaction to what he thought was Eddie's better reception and reaction to stardom. When they finally did hang out and talk, I think Kurt realised that they had a lot more in common than he initially thought. I loved the scenes in Pearl Jam's "20" documentary, where the whole band reflect on that. Eddies thoughts and lookbacks on Kurt are amazing to watch.
I dont think Kurt was as much of an anti corporate guy as he claimed to be honestly. It's pretty well known at this point that, regardless of what he claimed at the time, he wanted to be famous and successful, atleast in the beginning. I don't like Pearl Jam either honestly, but its pretty funny that he would slag them for being a corporate-ish band when he himself went out of his way to make sure his band became that mainstream machine. If anything I would say Pearl Jam actually made moves to not be lumped in that kind of mainstream corporate rock thing. Kurt was a guy I admired as a kid but over the years I've kinda learned that he was a whiny hypocrite and a bit of a poser.
Well said
Anti corporate for sale. It’s a good sthick.... the little lambs pay good money to be in the I’m not in the club, club.
Kurt wanted to be like a Mudhoney level band. Never super big, but big enough to make a living off of it. The whole point of in Utero was to shed the mainstream fans who latched on to the poppier nevermind
I’m sure you grew up to be cooler and more charismatic than Cobain. And more successful too.
@@michaellawrence9839 still having his head is definitely more successful i would say
It's amazing that people still get pissed about who they think is better. They are both incredibly talented bands. Kurt and Eddie were both tortured souls in their own way. Great video!
Eddie wasn't tortured as it seemed tho
Maybe it is because Kurt passed to soon, but the stuff with Ticketmaster that PJ made a big scene about was more punk than anything Nirvana did that I can think off.
That was a real shit-show trying to get tickets to those first shows! Lol
...I didn't get through on the phone..
Well, Nirvana made punk into pop, which is a pretty punk thing to do!
I remember at the time talking to my friends about all that Ticketmaster stuff, as we all wondered what Kurt would have thought about that. Would he have gotten involved himself, or at least opined to Eddie about it all. Same goes for Pearl Jam's musical genre diversions in general over time. Vitalogy had some surreal stuff on there and was a deeply dark album overall. It certainly challenged the audience the way Kurt suggests that Pearl Jam were'nt doing previously. Had he lived, I wonder what he would have reckoned about Pearl Jam's more lo-fi, garage rock goings on, and how they bowed outta the headlights whilst still being popular. I think, he would have really dug that to be honest.
I mean it’s kind of hard to gauge how punk something is, but what PJ did was very punkish. If we look on the music side of things, then Nirvana was definitely the most punk influenced (or even just downright punk) big four grunge band. Personally I feel like Nirvana putting in pro-feminine and anti-rape songs on multi-platinum albums which definitely sparked discussion, and lead a generation (or at least the teens who purchased the album) to the right direction was very anti establishment and punk rock for the time. But hey, punk isn’t a competition, and I’m also not saying you were making out to be either lol.
@@dickmonkey-king1271 I thought that was what Green Day did when they "sold out".
God, I miss the 90s. I want to go back.
Be glad we were there. Before the '90s happened, I remember wishing I'd lived during the '60s. Then I got to live in the '90s in my late teens and early 20s. I wouldn't trade those beautiful years for anything. I feel very sorry for kids today. I only hope another '60s or '90s is in store for them. But, I have my doubts.
I would go back to the 70s & 80s.
LOL
@@johndalton3180 why do you feel sorry for kids today? I hate nestolgia warrior shit when people think the time or generation they grew up in is somehow more significant than others.
@@Bevtone I see things in general going in a very bad direction. If I'm wrong, and everyone is happy, great!
Love both bands, but Kurt didn't know what he was talking about.
Nigga NOBODY knows what they're talking about
I remember this era well. I don't recall much being made of this rivalry back then. I recall much more the rivalry that Kurt had formed with GnR frontman, Axl Rose. I think that one was much more deserved too. Everyone was trying to compete for the title of "most alternative" band back then. Even huge bands like GnR were slagging on the record execs and the industry in their songs, even though they were a huge spoke in the wheel of that machine. I think this inner struggle of not wanting to be part of the machine, but suddenly becoming one of the BIGGEST parts of that very machine was one of the reasons Kurt took his own life in the end.
The 'feud' with Axl was due to Kurt being a pretetious baby. Axl said he liked Nirvana and was a fan. Kurt was all buthurt that a huge band was a fan of them because it went against his wannabe punk anti establishment image he wanted to convey so he literally invented a feud and acted like a total dick towards someone who had nothing but good will towards him. It's like the only time Axl hasn't been the douchebag.
Kurt was that girl in school that told everyone how different they were from everyone else and turned out to be just like everyone else. Even more so.
Watching mtv and complaining about the other band getting played more after acting like he’s above it. He sounded like he was just a snobby little punk.
Kurt hated what happened but you have to understand he had aloooooooot of mental health issues. so though you are right its not like he didnt see this, thats part of why he did what he did i think. he used to act like he didnt want to be famous and request his own songs on the radio. he just wasnt well.
Axl Rose did a very on point rant about the attitude of the Grunge bands you can still find on CZcams.
I agree
He seemed pretentious to me, kinda turned me off to them at the time.
You guys are taking this way too personally. It was just young guy punk rock vs cock mentality. Even Eddie is over and regularly speaks fondly of Kurt. Lol, what year is this? Let it go.
Great video! Yo should do one video of the Gavin Rossdale and Dave Grohl feud
Kurt only said nice things about lesser known bands that couldnt compete with his spotlight. He had no problem throwing Pearl Jam or Tool right under the bus.
Woah. I had no idea he tried beefing with Tool as well.
@@XXthekingofyouXX Yeah he talked about the Sober video and how he hopes they get sued for it. I love Kurt tho lol
@AZ Hawk I agree. They're Political Activism with Left is why they get so much hype it's actually irritating.
He tried beefing with reznor and corgan as well, the reznor thing was possibly because technically Trent had the angry material but was also a better musician, corgan was personal because he dated Courtney before kurt.
@AZ Hawk both dad rock ass bands
Kurt had beef with Eddie Vedder and Axl Rose. i think that says something about Kurt...
I found this to be a truly informative place. Really well presented. Thanks for sharing this with us
This “feud” was such a media creation. So what if Kurt didn’t like Pearl Jam’s music. I’m sure there are a lot of bands that didn’t appeal to Kurt’s taste in music. Truth is, Pearl Jam’s sound is more “mainstream” and “safe” compared with Nirvana’s. They are more blues based and have guitar solos that require proficiency and a level of technical ability to play. Their sound is such that they sound more like any other regular band on the radio and could have been from anywhere and could easily have grown popular even without the whole “Grunge” association.
Kurt didn't like Pearl Jams music..
But it's said that Kurt was influenced by:
The Shaggs - Philosophy of the World
Go give that a listen..
And after you hear it's not so great. Then you gotta listen to this to make ya feel better:
*Kyuss - Space Cadet*
Kurt heavily fed into it, if not directly facilitated it, not unlike the Mr. Anti-Corporate/anti-success persona pushed around him which was hardly the case. Cobain was the opposite of his persona, and people need to stop acting like it’s forbidden or something to criticize the guy. And it can actually be beneficial, just like that Steve buy who humbled Cobain and called him out for being pretentious.
lol. Nirvana was a more mainstream sound. Nirvana was pop. Even their producers said they were pop with a grunge sound. You clearly don't know many Pearl Jam songs.
Pearl Jam's music was not more mainstream or safe for that time, actually first record of Pearl Jam was not an instant success, people took notice after one year of its release.
I've got Nirvana albums and I have Pearl Jam albums, I still listen to the Pearl Jam albums. Not sure when I listened to Nirvana last.
Bleach,Nevermind and Utero?
@@duncan3998 I listened to bleach last night working out. I am 52. They never get old. Either does sg, aic, pj or mlb
@@rickchyczewski576 stp too
same, pj has a much more diverse catalogue
@@StonedGossard_ of course, pj has been around for 30 plus years. Imagine if Kurt lived, the music he would have made.
Pearl Jam are EPIC!
Epic crap.
its weird because Pearl Jam did have cred, their bassist was in the Montana hardcore punk band Deranged Diction so its not like they lack credibility. they had roots in the pacific northwest punk scene and they were more musically varied than Nirvana. however, Kurt's roots ran deeper, with Everman being connected to L.A. and S.F. hardcore punk.
I wish Kurt had gotten to know the guys a little bit better and even befriend some of them. It's clear that in his life and especially during his darkest times he needed someone who could support him that wasn't Courtney
I loved your take on this story. Great as usual. Your spoiling us 😀
i wasn’t the biggest pearl jam fan, i liked aic the best and nirvana second but after learning about this and watching pj unplugged and do all the crazy stage dive stuff vedder and pearl jam got a ton of respect and listens from me
Ive always disagreed with Kurt on this one
Kurt might have been an activist, but he was always an hothead and an a$$hole. 👎
Both are great bands.I love them both and honestly wouldnt choose one over the other.Both have great music.
Agree.
@W.t. Bonsell Exactly.
You are on fire with these videos. Great job!
Cool. I didn't know a lot about this. Thank you!
If only Kurt Cobain had lived on to see Dave Grohls version of alternative rock.
Don't think he would be as open, but Dave has contributed greatly to alternative rock In the 90s and even now.
The foo fighters are a horrible band Kurt would have hated them!!!!
@@danielroybal4724 It's a butt rock band.
@@danielroybal4724
I'm totally agree with that never could stand that band not even one song
I did like the first two Pearl Jam albums liked all Nirvana material
Eddie Vedder is a true rock singer very good blueprinted rock band Kurt was a punk rock genius who also could sing and write beautiful melodies very unusual combination
Never understood the comparison or the feud two completely different bands
Dave was the only brain in nirvana, as far as I'm concerned.
Great in depth video about this. Learned some new things i didn't know before.
What an amazing video! Thank you very much
I wouldnt even call it a feud. Kurt was competitive and highly confident about his music despite his slacker/insecure image. His manager even said that many times about him. Kurt didnt like the constant comparison and being roped together with all these other bands so I think it was his way of trying to seperate himself. Call it ego or a flaw (the guy wasnt perfect by any means), but he got the status he got to for a reason. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden also both said the Competition with Nirvana made them better musically and question what they did musically so quite frankly we probably ended getting much better music as fans bc of it all. Quite frankly the bands weren't all best friends like the media portrayed/expected them to be and most of them barely knew each other if at all so why would he have been buddy buddy with them? He did end up liking Eddie in the end and realised he didnt have to be so negative about them as people. He still hated their music though lol.
I know we all loved Nirvana.... however Kurt having an attitude a lot detracted from my liking them as much as Pearl Jam.... I thought and still do that Pearl Jam was a much more refined and technical band Mike McCready and Stone Gossard guitar work was far superior
And Jeff Ament is an absolute awesome innovator on Bass
Another great vid. Keep up the awesome work
Thanks for clearing this argument up I never really understood it when I was growing up.
I think PJs Vs challenged their fans more than In Utero challenged Nirvanas fans. Sure Vs had a big Radio hit, but it really didn’t sound much at all like Ten. I always thought Vs was a lot more indicative of who PJ really was and where they would go with later albums.
I always laugh when I see Kurt's "corporate magazines still suck" shirt that he wears on the cover of Rolling Stone. If he really believed that why not turn down the cover and do a cover of a local Zine.?? He tried so hard to be "punk" but was the farthest from it
Flew over your head?
Kurt’s mouth was always a waterfall for bullshit! He was a walking contradiction.
He could be a hypocrite like most people
Contractual obligation. It’s pretty obvious he regretted it, I’d say.
Chris cornel said that as well
Have I mentioned how much I enjoy this particular background music? Use it more please. It's so nice to close my eyes and remember the scene being described whilst I listen to those haunting harmonies....
Great video as usual!
I think people need to remember is that Kurt just blurted out whatever was in his head at the time when someone asked him a question. That answer then turned into a headline.
Bullshit. He carefully crafted everything he said.
I loved Nirvana. I respected Pearl Jam, especially their live performances. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains too. I liked the Seattle scene because of their attitude... they gave me something to channel my own frustrations through. Judging by how they exploded worldwide it seemed like many others did too. Still one of my favorite musical eras.
Love the new editing keep up the good work
Probably the most intriguing yet!
I think Kurt was very confused with what he wanted his place to be in the music scene, and then Kurt being Nirvana on top of that couldn't have helped. Pearl Jam wrote songs as a band, where Nirvana was Kurt. That had to put even more pressure on Kurt, sure he was friends with Kris and Dave, but Kurt wanting to be the best band was all on his shoulders.
And Kurt for calling out bands as sell outs and then always doing shows on MTV and doing interviews for corporate rock magazines. Kurt was an album ahead of PJ too, he complains about PJ's album but Kurt wasn't too pleased with how Nevermind was treated by the labels either. Nirvana "sold out" to the major labels and got a polished album, Kurt learned and made In Utero. PJ started with Ten. I'm not sure Kurt could justify to himself what was more of a sellout, having an indie record then going major label or starting right with major label.
I really don't think Kurt hated Pearl Jam, I think a lot was happening too fast for these guys, and personal ambition and frustration probably just led to some words. If PJ wasn't as popular or if PJ was around a few years before Nirvana I think his public opinion of them would have been different.
Kurt didn't like Eddie because unlike Kurt-- Eddie could actually sing.
I like the new transitions and graphics
The more I hear about Kurt Cobain, the more he sounds like a huge gatekeeper.
For? Reptilians? Aliens? The Deep State? The New World Order? Russia? China? The Ghost of Christmas Past? Your perpetual virginity?..................................
As much as he's a legend, I gotta agree.
"Although Cobain is thrilled when underground bands infiltrate mainstream charts, he's outraged by others who are riding the coattails of the alternative boom."
Can't really win with the guy can ya?
Kurt was a singular talent and alot came with that. Not all good. When he went the music world changed forever .
@Steve A What about dry people though?
@Steve A Albini?
Issue was this. Pearl Jam was formed from former Mother Love Bone members. Mother Love Bone had a very commercial LA glam 80s look that Kurt hated. They obtained some fame in the late 80's....so while Kurt was part of the underground Grunge scene in '88-89 with Bleach the guys from Mother Love Bone looked like they were a LA glam band and were part of the 'cool' scene. So when those so guys from Mother Love Bone formed Pearl Jam Kurt automatically said "fuck those sell outs" for coming back into the Grunge scene and changing their appearance. Also they were pretty polished rock band if you listen to Ten.
Before anyone mentions it yes I am aware of Stone Gossard and Jeff being in Green River which is pre Nirvana but that didn't change Kurt opinion because he view those guys as corporate sell outs. Kurt didn't like them once they left Green River to form Mother Love Bone.
Yeah well the big difference is Eddie in this equation. It showed what a difference a New vocalist and lyricist can do to a band. Once Kurt met him is where the grudge died, bc he respected him. He may not have liked the music but they were kindred spirits.
I wonder if at first Kurt had some animosity towards Eddie because Eddie was almost instantly accepted in Seattle by like Chris Cornell and others Mark Arm the name another one.
And let's not forget although this movie has nothing to do with it but Mike McCready was the The Mastermind behind mad season which is a great fucking record by the way
Kobain, Vedder, Grohl McCready, Ament, etc, etc. ... all loved Led Zeppelin, The Who, Black Sabbath, Queen... and other mainstream ROCK bands!! And now they all pal around with and lavish praise upon their mainstream rock heroes!!
They were about as alternative and punk as my asshole is!!
Get a clue... they all play metal... save for Pearl Jam!!
"They were about as alternative and punk as my asshole is!!"
-Tim Otte
Wow is like Kurt was a dumb teenager
Pearl Jam was never as big in the UK as Nirvana. In Utero went to No 1 but Vs only hit the 2 spot. But they were just not seen as an important band either in the way Nirvana was. They really were defining a generation and changed music, fashion and culture in a way few bands do. In fact, I cannot think of another band changing things to the same degree within my lifetime. Hip Hop bands together certainly changed fashion and culture but it wasn't kicked off by a single band.
“Everybody Loves Our Town” is an awesome book. 🥂
its the best
I had no idea that there was a feud between them. Kurt pretty much hated himself more than anyone.
Kurt was an exceptionally talented artist, but a bit pretentious and juvenile. Had he grew up in different parental and finacial circumstances, he would have been a frat boy. He had a very childish mentality. Ive never been a real Pearl Jam fan, but as far as character, Eddie Vedder and his bandmates were impressive. In my book, noone could/can touch Layne Staley and AIC.
I thought this video was for tomorrow. Today was supposed to be about a 70s & 80s era band best known for one incredible album.
I guess the schedule changed.
Great video
Kurt's music is about being pissed off at people he didn't know; Eddie's music was about being pissed off at people he knew personally.
Haha that's exactly it
And in this corner wearing the flannel shorts.....🥊
THEY WERE BOTH CRY BABIES!! ALICE IN CHAINS BURIES THEM BOTH!
A lot of selected quotes about the early days of grunge to create a narrative. Mark Arm Split from Green River because he had a different vision of the direction he wanted to go in. Mark is a true Punk Rocker and the future members of Pearl Jam wanted a classic hard rock/metal sound. That's why Green River split and Mudhoney and Mother Love Bone formed. Nirvana was influenced by Punk, Post Punk, and Alternative. Pearl Jam had more in common with Classic hard rock. Musically these bands had nothing in common except the city they came from.
Mark Arm is still cool. Mudhoney is amazing...i like nirvana but he is right and totally on point, pj was brave enough to give the middle finger to almost everything after ten which was on par with their thoughts on privacy and the band's ethics while kurt wanted more and more of that exposure which is an hypocritical move imo because what's the point of making a more challenging or subversive record with in utero (which i love btw) if kurt and his people wanted to be like madonna and exposing themselves like popular acts every time after kurt himself having complained about the meainstream stuff on mtv and elsewhere? Pj going militant with all that stuff those days showed them how is done and mudhoney took notice and they're still friends to this day. Read book "mudhoney: the sound and fury of seattle". It's amazing.
@@sstaners1234 yeahhh i have that dvd too...isn't it amazing that the mudhoney guys where always like: "yeah right...grunge is cool, moving on" even in their peak days?, these guys had more punk attitude in their sleeves than nirvana...so humble and cool, didn't cared all that much when shooting videos... even avoiding popular producers and video directors...and they still rock. Did you saw the part where they kinda mocked Courtney love and she sent them a message with a warner bros exect like "guys courtney is stressed out and don't want to see you" on some midhoney party or something, i don't remember that well and Matt Lukin said something like: "yeah courtney, thanks for the bottle of wine you where going to send us"...haha...it's like those guys almost thought that kurt and the nirvana/hole crew where as annoying and divas as other commercial acts like guns or metallica...i think mudhoney where best pals with less arrogant bands like the soundgarden/pearl jam/melvins...etc
@@sstaners1234 righttt...i got that backwards, i watched that so many years ago, sorry...haha...mudhoney is amazing!!! I'm a Huge fan since those years
Of course this attempt to create a “blended humanity” in EVERY White country and ONLY White countries is GENOCIDE according to the original definition, and under International Law as well.
The only reason people deny this obvious truth is because they want it to continue.
Do you people want mass immigration and forced assimilation (ethnic cleansing) to continue in White countries?
Then do something
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
@@DontGoToHell wrong video pal.
@@cinematicpassages8884 hate to break it to ya bud but they’re all rock stars and are all arrogant
I'm gonna be honest i like nirvana but I've been a pearl jam fan for a long time. In the 80s/90s it was pearl jam and guns N roses for me.
Hey, can anyone suggest this Channel cover Tina Bell the lady credited for pioneering the Grunge scene/sound?
The past 3 years people have been talking about her but only a few places.
Of course this attempt to create a “blended humanity” in EVERY White country and ONLY White countries is GENOCIDE according to the original definition, and under International Law as well.
The only reason people deny this obvious truth is because they want it to continue.
Do you people want mass immigration and forced assimilation (ethnic cleansing) to continue in White countries?
Then do something
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
@@DontGoToHell ssssh🤫
Wwhy have you privated so many videos? This channel is such a great resource.
5:14 that guy is definitely looking for The Bends album… 3 vinyls to your right buddy
I love Pearl Jam, I do respect Nirvana and Bleach is their best album…but Ten is way better.
No.
@@1985cactus Yes.
indeed
@@1985cactus Yes
Nevermind beats ten for sure but I still love Pearl Jam
Man I wish Andrew Wood would’ve lived. Mother Love Bone would’ve been the band of the 90’s. Eddie Vedder is the luckiest man in rock.
“Where would I live if I were a man of golden words ..Or would I live at all?” -Andy Wood
I would rather Andy lived and went back to MALFUNKSHUN. EV was just what Stoney and Jeff' wanted.. Andy didn't seem to be happy with them as things moved along with MLB. Kevin noticed how Stoney and Jeff' we're. Remember how they treated Ambruzzese later on in PJ? "Cliquish" IS putting their behavior nicely. Andy was a better person than that. He and McCready would hav been fine imo. Throw in Ambruzzese and Starr then it may have worked. Lol
Stone said that MLB wouldn’t have lasted and that even before Andy died they were having problems and were in a creative slump.
When they reformed with Eddie they have all said everything clicked and they’ve never felt that kind of creative energy and inspiration in any of their previous bands.
It’s a shame Andy died for sure. He was a talented guy. Who knows where he would’ve taken his music if he could’ve lived.
But Eddie Vedder is also talented and intensely driven and he doesn’t owe his success to anyone else.
I love both bands!!!
I was at that New Years Eve show.
If Kurt Cobain didn't have the reputation he has today, he would have been considered a massive gatekeeping prick. For all his immaturity and flaws that led him to terrible life decisions, you'd think he'd be more humble and understanding that not every single Seattle band was out to get him.
I’m sure you’re a saint compared to Kurt Cobain
@AZ Hawk well said
@AZ Hawk trying to compare a turd like Cobain to the Beatles is laughable.
Damn I love the nineties!
#ripKURT🖤❤️🥀🍻
both bands are amazing in their own unique way rest in peace kurt damn i miss the 90s
Really good story.
Eddie is such a sweet heart
I like both bands. PJ was kind of an acquired taste for me, but their music is like the warmth of stroking hot coals with the crackle of an open fire. Their Unplugged was phenomenal. They were both young musicians in a booming subculture. I think a little rivalry is healthy, and if Kurt had survived, they probably would have made it out as friends and I think they had a deep respect for one another that was twisted by the media's narrative. Rest in power, Kurt.
Both excellent unplugged sets probably the best 2 I'd say 👍
Aic Unplugged kicks the shit outta both of em.
@@sketch3744 AGREED
@@sketch3744no way pj unplugged is the best with the pure raw emotion
It was more than Jeff Ament vs Kurt Cobain.
Still listen to Nirvana and Pearl Jam, both great bands.
Cheers from The Netherlands.
There's no feud between the bands, it's press stuff. The two bands are awesome. Great video.
yeah I lived in Seattle during those days. I wasn't really into either band but used to see Eddie around a coffee shop near Pioneer Square it seemed. Anyway I was into the reggae scene. I'd pick Nirvana over PJ any day of the week. Vedders vocals don't do much for me personally. To each their own.
Nirvana had a couple catchy tunes on the radio, but PJ, to me, was a much more talented band. Even though I haven't listened to PJ much since their 1st 4 albums, I dont think Nirvana would have had the staying power PJ has had for decades. Nirvana would have faded out long before the 90's ended imo.
Makes you wonder if Kurt never killed himself, what would Nirvana be today? Would they be playing like state fairs in Oshkosh Wisconsin
Thank you so much for your love and support, your comments have added to my career i really appreciate.
Did Tuesday and Wednesday get switched?
Maybe Kurt called him "daughter". Eddie really didn't like that :)
He wasn’t fit to
I think he said "even in his youth, he was nothin"🤭
Terrible joke still liked it 🤣
EvEn FloWHOAHhhhhhhhhhh.
It was just enough of one to be barely noticeable then, but I didn't feel like you had to choose between either band. Being a teenager to young adult then. ('91-'94)
Life becomes so much easier when you stop caring about which bands are "corporate" and all that sh*t.
Listen to the music. If you like it, like it. If you don't, don't.
Kurt wanted to be Mark Arm or at least as punk as Mark is.
All you young people that didn’t live through this era of rock, for whatever reason the powers that be, decided to make believe Nirvana saved rock music.
Well as someone that saw all these bands live… I can tell you the POV of a rock fan that knows how rock music changed for the better.
It didn’t start with Nirvana, PJ was already more popular around the country and IMO the better band… but let me tell you who kicked open the doors for all these rock bands … it was GnR , no GnR wasn’t the best band by any stretch of the imagination, but they were thankfully the final nail in the coffin of “glam metal”
Then came bands even better than GnR (IMO) like Alice In Chains, Perl Jam, TOOL, Sound Garden etc…. But the media spins it as if Nirvana invented great music and all should thank Kurt C for fixing what was wrong with music at the time.
We all should be thanking GnR for that, followed by all those incredible bands from the 90s which took it to the next level
Nailed it! Thank you
GnR was literally Glam Metal
GnR didnt write Smells like teen spirit.
@@MiguelRamirez-sw2nf Disagree. GnR was angry hard rock. Their timing is what got them lumped with glam rock. Same with Tesla. Your real glam rockers were bands like Poison, Warrant, Britney Fox, Firehouse, Winger, etc. Hard rock that wasn't thrash got lumped with the glam bands.
I'm not a big fan of Nirvana, I can see the appeal and some of the musicianship but its just not for me. That being said, Nirvana was HUGELY influential on the music industry for the simple reason that they, specifically Teen Spirit, was played at every party regardless of clique, scene or whatever. There just wasnt anything like that at the time. GnR didnt get played by as many different and dissonant groups, even the poppy songs. Nirvana didnt save rock music though, it shattered it into a bunch of different genres, some good some bad.
hey i was at that cow palace show
Ha. I always felt reverse but came out of this with newfound respect for PJ and less for Kurt. Interesting that Kurt actually cared way more about commercial exposure than he led on to believe. If PJ is a safe commercial band and you want Nirvana's association to be cut off, why give a shit about your new album getting less MTV airplay?
Kurt being a hypocrite, failing to recognise irony? Lmao. There are probably 20 such examples of that.
"But but kurt was perfect" I kind of hate nirvana fan boys for that and also because any criticism towards the band, even respectful criticism would be meet with insults
Obviously Kurt was flawed, opinionated, young, a little egotistical and definitely insecure. But he’s human, and overall was a decent human.
Kurt was complex. He had moments of selfishness, and moments of generosity. Moments of pettiness and moments of magnanimity. Remember the words from Pennyroyal "I'm a liar and a thief." He was also brilliantly talented. And I miss him.
@@RetrocadePodcast yea so all in all he was just like the rest of us a dickhead that could be nice at times
@@davidjackson9680 Pretty much. He was in his early 20s when most of his controversial statements were made. He was still a kid, and I’m sure if he’d have sobered up and became a fully formed adult he would’ve turned out ok. It’s a shame he didn’t make it out of his 20s.
Bleach is such a great album.
Agreed.
Great but sad video, I love Pearl Jam and I also loved Nirvana, I got very emotional 😢but great video, thank you for sharing 😊🤘✌️
Greetings from Greece people!!! Trust me Grunge is not dead, We still play, enjoy Grunge and it's spirit till this day. We don't need more feuds nor other stupid behaviours, we just need real music cause nowadays except pain nothing else is real.
Lol ffs, man 😂