TOP THRILL 2 Cedar Point's Biggest Mistake
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Could Top Thrill 2 Be Cedar Points Biggest Failure? Could Top Thrill 2 be done for the season? We talk about how this closure impacts the relationship between Cedar Point and the rides manufacturer Zamperla moving forward. Why couldn't Cedar point use Intamin instead?
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people need to really chill the fuck out. Its a new ride, all new rides go through shit. This ride can be fixed and run for next decade with no major issues we just dont know. In 5 years if the ride is always down, has had major issues then yeah its a failure and a disaster but people jumping on that shit now are doing it for clicks and views.
Well I haven’t made a video on TT2 at all so definitely not for clicks and views although I’m happy to hear what others think and see how others feel about TT2 I will also note that this channel is a nonprofit every penny goes towards buying tickets to theme parks for people who can’t afford to go along with other things theme park related. This isn’t my job just for fun but I do understand what you’re saying
@@ThemeParkMotivationdefinitely trying to get clicks sorry but the facts are this video is Filled with lies
If you'll recall, the Hubble space telescope was regarded by many to be an expensive failure. Then it was repaired. It has been sending us astonishing views of the universe for decades ever since.
If YOU will recall, this was supposed to be the fix.
Hopefully TT2 will start transmitting stunning pictures soon. Just kidding, I think you're absolutely correct.
I hate to say it I got 5 rides on this and once it’s back up and running no one’s going to say anything bad the spike is amazing the overall ride is amazing just gotta wait and see if they get it back up and going this summer
I believe you we all want to ride it
I completely agree. I was fortunate enough to get two rides on as well in the opening week. Just be patient everyone! It's so worth the wait!!!!!!
Just give it time, I think a lot of people are just speaking way too soon on this. It’s Zamperla’s first big coaster so this isn’t all too surprising. I’m sure Cedar Fair expected and anticipated this risk
Honestly Cedar Point took a risk, but it was because they saw they were working on their coaster division to be up there with Intamin and other big coaster manufacturers. They have indeed worked with them in the past with flat rides and kiddie coasters. I wouldn’t say they went cheap.
But honestly, I am not surprised much, as it is their first ever big coaster and it can have issues. Let’s not talk about how many issues Dragster had before. This is mainly the reason why manufactures get good in the first place, they learn. Even Intamin learned overtime from problems.
Totally agree and that’s why I believe intamin has evolved and learned the intamin in the last 5-10 years is not the same as early 2000s
I would like to mention, at coastermania, one of the higherups mentioned to a smaller group that they tried to fix the ride with intamin, but nothing ever materialized from those talks.
This is good to know
Great video. It was nice getting to meet you at The roller coaster rodeo last week!
Likewise what a great event
I hear the topic of parks' relationship with manufacturers come up a lot, and I think it's bogus. I seriously doubt park executives blacklist manufacturers because of one ride that caused problems, especially not intamin considering all they've done for CP. The park took a massive risk with TTD, and they had 2 decades of opportunities to stop living with it but chose to keep it. And they knew the risk they were taking helping zamperla get into the big leagues. They're not dummies, they signed that contract for a reason, and they aren't regretting it just because their new prototype ride developed an issue (like they do) and zamperla was swift to act. The thing's already back on the track for frick's sake. Also, parks don't just lose the company's number after they've installed a ride; they have to work together on after-market care for the duration of the ride's life.
I also don't buy that a botched opening has any stain on the park's reputation. By this time next year, nobody will care that top thrill 2 ruined summer. Ambulance chasing is the coaster enthusiast community's bread and butter.
Ummm it wasn't just one ride. The falls incident that almost was a tragic incident.
It is hard to say Coastermania is a waste since they still have RMC Meanstreak. After that conversion, I said they would get a pass on future mistakes. Boldman is really testing me, but the trip to Cedar Point is still worth it.
Absolutely SV is the best coaster the world
Right? I mean.... its not like there isn't 15 other world class coasters here. We're here for coastermania, and I don't care that tt2 is down. I got 18 rides on it so far. The ride IS actually really good. A lot better than I thought it was gonna be. The backstage tour has been changed to the Steel Vengeance infield, and the sign shop. I could give 2 shits less if tt2 is up or not. It's only like #5 in the park anyways. Find me at Maverick and Vengeance for the most part.
@@Spike-sk7ql I wouldn't say I don't care it is down, but they still have some of the best coasters out there.
If this was six flags people would be outraged and suing them.
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It seems to be all about the new lightning trains and their debut on this biggest in the world attraction. They look to have a very high center of gravity, and perhaps they are imposing some higher than or unanticipated stress with operation. Zamperla seemed to be a wild card in this situation. Perhaps it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Why do people keep saying use Intamin? Did we not witness 20 years of maintenance nightmares with Dragster?😂
Well that may be true Intamin has improved immensely in the last 10 years
Maybe people are saying Intamin because they are the only manufacturer that has experience with 400', 120 mph coasters, and Zamperla hadn't even reached 200', or faster than 60 mph. Also, Intamin reliability has greatly improved over the years. And can you REALLY put all the blame on Intamin? Let's be honest here.... CP went to them and said "we need to break all these height and speed records". They were probably the only company willing to go there. Dragster, and Ka probably push that hydraulic launch system to the max. Yes there's going to be problems with it. The very thing the ride was built to emulate, gets its power train completely rebuilt after every single pass.
@@Spike-sk7ql Yeah I can they had 20 years to fix it and they couldn’t and it was a nightmare to maintain there’s also shoot the rapids almost freaking drowning people
People just need to chill. This is a super complex ride with thousands of different variables. It has to go through the motions before it can be stamped reliable!
For example, car manufacturers that have produced cars for decades have recalls all the time! Does that mean they don’t know what they are doing? Things happen and we work through it. Give Zamperla a break.
I wouldn't have reimagined Dragster in the first place (my top choice would've been an RMC T-Rex to take the height record). At least, not with resemblance to the original. If I had to keep the top hat I would've had Gerslauer do it as an infinity coaster and turned going up the top hat into a vertical lift and put in a full layout. That full layout would include the world's tallest inversion (especially intimidating with lapbar only), several airtime moments, and extend onto the plots of Corkscrew and Power Tower, both of which would be removed. The top hat, in addition to being utilised as the lift and drop for this coaster, would feature a drop tower and an observation point. That's how I would've "reimagined" Dragster. Something nothing like it that pays omage to it by reusing the physical structure and track of the top hat. Grant it I was never a big fan of the original and I doubt I'd be a fan of TT2 as both are gimmicky junk without substance but that's what I would've done if I were in charge and had to keep the top hat.
I can’t understand people blaming Intamin for the accident that happened. I’ll ask everyone, would you go with a company that has no experience with building this type of coaster? Obviously, TT2 is going to open again. Will it have more problems in the years to come? Yep!
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I think it will be fine once they get the wheel bogies figured out
Let’s hope that’s all it is
Ryan the Ridemechanic said this exact problem could also be happening with any other manufacturer. He even said for Falcons Flight: Intamin, take notes.
Yeah i doubt falcon will have train issues. Intamin is experienced with trains for mega coasters.
@@covertzebra All of the new Intamins in Europe are having issues at the moment. So I would not go hard on "experience".
Agreed
What new intamins? You mean Mack rides
@@ThemeParkMotivation No. Dragon Watch-Toverland, Toutatis-Parc Asterix, Batman coaster in Parc Warner Madrid, Amazonia - Bellewaerde. We have to wait what Dance Macabre does. And Taron and Chiapas in Phantasialand also have a lot of downtime as of late. So I am a little skeptic about Intamin and new rides.
Dragster was closed its first year of CoasterMania too nothing new
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It runs a few days.... Has severe metal fatigue and wheel bogey failure......remains shut down for weeks.
Zamperla. You get the lowest bid, you get what you paid for. They never built a ride over approx 150 feet. Cedar should have stuck with Intamin. Its like Elvis at the Vegas International. You cant put a price on a huge attraction because its what draws everyone in. Yet Cedar claims its worst investment. An Elvis type attraction is NOT a failure.
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That's assuming that LSMs have the ability to launch the 120mph every time without the swing . The speed gained coming down the spike helps make the 120 possible. I was on it 9x and loved it and looking forward to the reopen. I think even B&M and Mack would have run into issues with the speed and dynamics.
I think if they can get red force to go 112mph with lsm’s it wouldn’t have been an issue plus intamin could put lsm’s going vertical now like the storm coaster in Abu Dhabi
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But that's a difference of 8mph and probably a smaller structure for the train to have to reach.
Instead of trying so hard to break height and speed records parks should focus on the overall ride experience.
Some of the best rides are actually the smaller ones.
@@ThemeParkMotivationRed Force has a much shorter top hat to clear up and over, and a much longer launch track as well.
Very good thoughts on TT2.
Thank you my friend
This roller coaster is more unbalance than the Lakers when they got Dennis Rodman 😩
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CF’s blacklisting of Intamin is mind boggling. They have been doing so well recently, with coasters like Toutatis, Pantheon, and Velocicoaster. CF will not make it up to the coaster mania ticket holders, we know they won’t.
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Cedar Point is slowly running out of manufacturers
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Yeah, if the merger wasn’t happening I would think it would just be B&M in a few years. Hopefully they can fix their relationship with some other manufacturers after the merger
The problem isn't so much with the manufacturer...instead the problem is with the concept for the ride from the very beginning back in 2002/2003.
Intamin had relatively no problem with the smaller scale hydraulic launched coasters they'd previously built but when they,along with this particular park decided to supersize the original concept....that is when they ran into problems.
We've essentially pushed Rollercoasters to their limits around that time especially because doing so required an alternative to a chain or cable lift in order to bring the train up to it's highest point.
The current problem they're having now is with the wheels on the trains simply being unable to tolerate the extreme forces especially when it comes to friction causing the wheel surface to overheat and crack.
There's probably no solution to this specific problem because even polyurethane technology is not without it's limitations.
Unfortunately this particular park has built itself around pandering to enthusiasts as a result of all the free publicity they got in the late 90s and early 2000s by being featured on all those discovery Channel amusement park programs and management there is deathly afraid of upsetting the spoiled brat enthusiasts if they dare to remove any attraction in the park.
Had that accident happened at any other park you can bet dollars to donuts that the ride in question would have been removed immediately as trying to pander to any special interest group would be not be worth the negative publicity that such an accident would receive.
The park should have removed the attraction and replaced it with a safer,.ore reliable attraction instead of continuing to throw money into trying to fix a problematic attraction that odds are cannot be fixed at all. I mean look at what KD did with volcano? That ride was plagued with mechanical issues even before it first opened to the public and both the park and cedar fair got tired of fixing it. Sure spoiled brat enthusiasts whined and complained about it being removed but guess what? The park survived just fine and npw a newer more reliable attraction is replacing it.
I would definitely say intamin in 90s-early 2000s is far different than todays intamin but I agree with a lot of what you said
Cedar Point cheaped out. Simple as that. They’ve prob already lost the money that they thought they were saving by going with Zamperla over Intamin
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I think the only mistake is the manufacturer. It looks amazing when it runs…
The whole two weeks
@@ThemeParkMotivation Exactly. Got what they paid for. They should have taken into consideration the $25 mil they spent on it 22 years ago in addition to the reimagining budget. Too much at stake to go cheap this time around. It’s Cedar Point, the new clowns in charge need to realize only the best goes in that park.
First and foremost, they need to take their time and make sure it's safe above all things before reopening it to the public! Safety is paramount and should be priority one! Second I agree with everything you said, if this 15 million dollar gamble fails with Zamperla, both will suffer heavily from this! Cedar Point in lost revenue and their status as a place to flock to, and Zamperla because they will have have failed to show they can go real big with the big boys (i. e. Intamin, B & M, etc.)!
I did mention the safety being a top concern as it should be. This can’t be rushed. It needs to be done properly.
I am hoping that Top Thrill 2 reopens in early July ! I am going up to Cedar point on July 11th And I'm hoping to be able to ride on Top Thrill 2 when im there !!!!!!! I'll be disappointed if I can't ride it !!!!!!
I’m going the same day i hope so too
Im going July 15-17 so yeah im hoping it opens
@sudo37338 i hope it opens for you as well
@@ThemeParkMotivation that's awesome 😎!! Ya me too
@@sudo37338that's good. Ya me too. I Hope that Top Thrill 2 is reopen by July 11th as well that would be awesome 😎
You failed to mention the fact they changed manufacturers because the previous manufacturer almost put someone in the grave. This is the most monotone and sad video I've seen about this. This coaster is great. Crybaby
lol 😂 ok
Great video !!! All very true !
Thank you 😊
Cedar Fair is killing themselves..The wont work with Intamin because they wanted 1 off prototype rollercoasters built issue free..Its true Zamperla's staff is full of ex-Intiman people but these people are from the era intiman rides were riddled with issues..Ive said from day 1 picking Zamperla was a mistake however it is a new ride and issues are almost a given. They did a great job overall. The history of this ride is rocky,they shoukd have used intiman or went with B&Ms proposal which was rumored to involve a giga in its place...Too late now,this guarantees the park wont see a new ground up coaster for years
😢 sadly i totally have to agree
I hope the merger lets them work with more manufacturers. They can’t just work with B&M for absolutely everything.
LOL yeah Cedar Point is killing themselves. They are only the best amusement park in the United States ranking in the top 5 every single year in attendance. They are hurting so badly... What ever will they do now that the ride they re-imagined has been delayed for 2 weeks after opening... This will certainly go right next to enron in the business textbooks haha man you people are insane
@lucasm7177 I think someone has a love affair with CP
@@ThemeParkMotivation Pal I haven't been to Cedar Point since the year they installed Top Thrill Dragster. You are overreacting again...
Dude it’s a new ride it’s gonna have kinks to work out
Yes that’s correct and that’s what months of testing before the season started are for. It’s not a good look and “kinks” are small issues this is bigger it appears
@@ThemeParkMotivation they did test it before the season, they’re legally required to. It is Zamperla’s first big project so I think you should cut them some slack. The fact that they were able to achieve this project is quite impressive. Maybe you should email cedar point and demand they take down Maverick since it breaks down multiple times a day, even if it’s an amazing coaster.
@joshgutierrez7380 i know it tested that’s what im saying
@@ThemeParkMotivation you’re implying that they didn’t test it enough and you think it’s going to fail. Seeing as the cover photo is “cedar points biggest mistake” which it definitely isn’t
Is it safe to ride?
It’s not open
I am going June 11 so sad it won’t be open 😢
It is very disappointing but SV is the best
Since being landlocked and Top Thrill Dragster were Cedar Point's biggest problems they should have killed 2 birds with one stone and scrapped it. They could fit so many rides there. That plot could easily hold multiple coasters and flats while opening up new paths....
I really couldn't believe it when they said Zamperla was going to fix it...
there would be no point in going then because you can go anywhere and ride a 200ft ride. magnum, corkscrew, iron dragon need scrapped.
That plot could absolutely NOT fit a whole lot of anything good. If they took that, AND Rouga-NO out, then they could build something worth while. Not only using the dragster plot though.
@@covertzebra "no point in going"???? You're acting like there isn't 15 other world class coasters here. If you want to stay away just because dragster isn't open, then by all means don't let me stop you. Just one less person in my way.
@@Spike-sk7ql That plot is over a quarter mile long! It's the biggest plot in the park after Millie's...I can see a Gerstlauer Infinity, a GCI twister plus a few flats and Dippin Dots stands fitting there quite easily. Or if you don't like the coaster models I named before, how about an RMC Raptor and a Vekoma tilt?
@@Spike-sk7ql idk about 15. magnum sucks, corkscrew sucks, iron dragon sucks, gemini sucks, like i said i can go anywhere and ride great 200 foot rides. no point in going if the 400 footer isnt open. and once its open ill be there.
No I don't think they should of hired Zamperla!!!
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ZAMPERLA HIRED MORE THAN 50% OF INTAMINS EMPLOYEES LOL
@sylvester7800 Yes! Remember B&M left Giovanola to make agriculture equipment on their own! This is an unforgiving and competitive business!
Zamperla will fix it right and all the Flags get some decent new flat rides and spinny mice!
Okay, and I'll assume you think Hyperia was a mistake too?
Nope certainly not although that’s disappointing totally different circumstances
Woah 😳
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Lol the former President was like it was a big mistake and intamin was the manufacturer. Yet you complain about Zamperla. Maybe they didn’t want intamin to make another mistake.
So they hired Zamperla to make one. I agree with your statement however Intamin has evolved into one of the best it’s been 20 years time to forgive and move forward and make some amazing rides for us to enjoy
@@ThemeParkMotivation agreed however, I understand why they made the decision.
This seems like it should be a parody video for overreactions lol are you kidding me dude? You are making some serious assumptions based on very little time so far... The worst decision of Cedar Point's history like for real dude?
Time will tell
You get what you pay for, Zamperla obviously isn't getting to the bottom of the situation very quick and the park is not giving much update info because it could affect business. I do not think it is fair to customers .
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The mistake was not having Intamin do it.
Yeah because intamin did so well with dragster the first time
@@JJJJ-he8bz they did awesome with dragster besides the hydraulic launch which was always operating every time I've been there. Intamin has reliable lsm and trains and are experienced with mega rides as Zamperla is not.
@@JJJJ-he8bz well CP came to them and said "we need to break all these records" and I'll bet that Intamin was the only company that was willing to give it a shot. With Millie too. Dragster and Ka are probably pushing that hydraulic launch to the max. What is amazing is that the rides worked at all in the first place.
@@Spike-sk7ql Intamin builds rides for men, zamperla builds for boys
@@Spike-sk7ql Intamin is the only company that builds mega coasters. CP shoulda had intamin lsm it and extend its height to break falcons flight. hell give it an aircraft carrier lsm catapault launch. they dont fail.
Shouldaaaaaa called Intamin!
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Top thrill dragster closed top thrill 2 closed top thrill 3 open lol
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I hope this is closed for as long as possible