The Lost Scarborough & Whitby Railway - Part 3/3
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- The third and final part of my walk along the Cinder Track, which used to be the Scarborough & Whitby Railway. Starting in Cloughton on the edge of the North York Moors, I pass through Scalby before arriving at Scarborough station.
The Scarborough & Whitby Railway was closed in 1965, as part of the infamous ‘Beeching Cuts’. Although many people would love to see the railway line reopen on the Yorkshire coast, it’s unlikely to ever happen.
(Many thanks to @TheSouthernerYTChannel for the footage of the RH&D railway.
Also, thanks again to Neil Cholmondeley & John Turner for their help with research and permission to use their archive material.)
EPISODE 1 OF 3 - • The Lost Scarborough &...
EPISODE 2 OF 3 - • The Lost Scarborough &...
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Cloughton station holiday accommodation - www.cloughtonstation.co.uk
Archive video of the line - • A SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY ...
Official Cinder Track website - www.scarborough.gov.uk/home/s...
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This mini series of three was a better travelogue than the BBC could put together.
A great shame this line was closed. The scenery is fantastic and just think what a trip it would be to have a trangular heritage railway operating Scarborough - Whitby - Pickering - Scarborough and a fantastic revenue earner both for the railway and the whole area. I well remember having a rail rover ticket as my summer holiday treat (10/- adult and 5/- children) with my Dad which operated in the triangle Whitby/ York / Cleethorpes including the Humber ferry - fantastic value !! It made such an impression that I can still remember the numbers (67764/7) of the two L1 tank engines which operated the route !!
You should be very proud of yourself, a highly professional looking and informative series,well done.
Thanks Peter!
I was sat in that Sainsbury’s last week wondering where the land came from to build it, given that’s it’s a large space surrounded by terraced housing. I appreciate the explanation!
Missed you Man seems ages since part 2
You'll be happy to know they have renovated the cinder track from Scalby to Scarborough recently
What an interesting trilogy and so much better than most of what's on TV these days. Your enthusiasm for your subject really shines through and you seem such a nice chap. I've learned so much about the Scarborough area from your videos and looking forward to visiting some of the places when I come up from Shropshire soon.
The last part of the Rail Trilogy - what an absolute treat for us all! A lovely relaxing way to discover the wonders of the Yorkshire Coast with a charming friendly guide who is a super video-maker and does his research thoroughly. What a gem this old line would make in our age of packed highways!
Thank you! I'm glad you've enjoyed it.
I remember my dad saying losing the line was a kick in the teeth for the Scarborough Whitby and Filey interconnectivity.
I can tell you straight away that tourists would ride a recumbent trike all over the place over there. Public restrooms and strategic places to eat and shop are a part of the overall wonderful tourist experience. Structured tours other than on tour buses are in order here. Recumbent trikes make that new dimension of tourism so possible.
There is slightly more of Scalby Station left than first meets the eye. If you look at the buildings fronting Station Road at the junction of Chichester Close you will see they have stonework running up each corner. This stone was removed from the original station and built in to the new buildings.
Well produced video, hugely enjoyable. Looking forward to more in due course.
Cheers Roy!
That’s amazing Andrew
Hi thank you so much for doing a video covering Cloughton railway station. Couple of facts, Alfred Hart was the last station master there and also ran the local coal business. The station back then had a cat on payroll called Tike which was the head mouse catcher. Seems silly to have a cat on payroll but its true.
Also in one of the photos you have used for Cloughton Sation shows Alfred Hart in his uniform
They are great facts! It's always good to find out more about the subjects I'm covering, so thanks for that.
@@NorthYorkshireWanderer glad to help :) Alfred Hart was my great granddad so its an extra special video to me
At 9:51 I can see my house! And wow, when we were kids we used to play on the old tracks at Gallow Close goods yard all the time. The biggest fun was trying to make it all the way through the old tunnel without any torches, lol!
These videos bring back so many memories of Scarborough back in the good ol' days, thank you!
I like your idea for using small steam trains to reuse the old railway lines specially Hull to hornsea route and withernsea
My only concern would be that it might then stop it being used as a path. The two would need to operate together.
SCARBOROUGH STATION’S 456 FOOT (139 meters) bench is said to be the longest railway bench in the world. Equal in length to 12 double-decker buses, it’s able to accommodate almost 230 passengers.
Excellent, soothing video - a pleasure to watch. If a narrow gauge railway did ever return to the route, it's just another excuse for a holiday to the north.
Thanks! Hope you're keeping well 👍
These videos are without doubt some of the best i've see on CZcams ..... outstanding work well done sir
Thanks a lot Paul! Really appreciate that 👍🏼
beautiful drone footage.
Don't disappear can't wait for what you have up your sleeve next 😘
I'm amazed that there is so much of the old railway left and it's great that you can stroll along the old lines. Great video! Nice to see the sun shining too.
Enjoyed the whole series, thanks for doing them , as a non local person now living up here, I just love watching and seeing what's now on my doorstep .. thanks again
Cheers Anthony!
Thank you for these excellent and informatively commentated videos. So sad that we’ve lost so many lines that today would be tourist Mecca’s.
A very enjoyable set of videos, I watched all three together. altogether creditable. Doug Hey
Absolutely fantastic mini series's. Enjoyed every minute. Cant wait till your next video.
Thanks Justin!
Loads of memories of messing around on the Cinder track, my mate mum was the warden at the care home where Scalby station was. There's been a campaign to reopen ever since it closed but I agree can't see it happening, apparently the scrappers arrived overnight to dismantle the line and make their wedge. So sad, what a attraction it would make now.
Great video, brings back happy memories
Cheers Paul! 👍🏼
Brilliant as usual, nothing more to be said.
Thanks Dee. Always appreciate your comments :)
These videos inspired me to do the walk last week - from Ravenscar to Robin Hoods Bay on one day and then Whitby to Robin Hoods Bay another day. Outward via The Cinder Trail and return via Cleveland Way, which is really spectacular. Great videos.
Awesome Stephen! I hope you got some decent weather for it.
As a senior, I would love to visit and explore the area on a recumbent tadpole trike. Perhaps in a group of 5 or so. We could all have a regular stop at strategic places to eat while our trikes are safely watched. Now that COVID has mostly passed, I can see a healthy tourist industry start to blossom again.
Well done Mate, been looking forward to seeing the third episode, great video, thanks 🙏🏻
Cheers Steve!
A.nice end to,this 3 parter Andrew. Thanks for completing and for the effort expended in getting this out
Cheers Paul.
Superb video. I learned more in these few minutes than from any books! Looking forward to cycling along the Cinder Track again very soon. Will be dragging the old tin tent to Scalby. You are so lucky to live in this part of the UK. Still, a holiday here is the next best thing for us Southerners! I love the old photos; brings the track to life. More like this please!
Thanks Robert!
Just returned from a holiday in Scalby. Cycled along the Cinder Track again, looking for the items of interest from your videos. Really useful. To see those views again on a beautiful sunny day; absolute bliss. Have a look out for the little tuck shop; just the thing for a thirsty cyclist! Please, please put your money in the honesty box! I❤️ Yorkshire, wish I could live here!
Another brilliant video in a fantastic series! Well done and thank you! 😊
Excellent Video , Good idea with a smaller replacement railway , The 15" gauge Bure valley railway in Norfolk follows the old trackbed Aylsham to Wroxham but as you said some parts of the system is built over and a investor with deep pockets !
Cheers Graham. Yeah, very deep pockets!
Missed the alert for this. Looking forward to a relaxing evening with a cuppa and a virtual wander.
I've watched all three parts eagerly and with much enjoyment. To be realistic the cost of restoring service would be astronomical. Most likely falling revenues and increased motor transport sounded the death knell for this scenic line, such a shame.
I wish these videos was Longer,I always want more
ngl your music is great! proper suits the video, doesnt get boring either!
Cheers Matty 👍
@@NorthYorkshireWanderer should do some videos on Hull as im from there! theres a good youtuber called Hull History Nerd! Should check him out if you already haven't
I really enjoyed this charming and informative series. Great photography too!
Thanks Richard!
Cloughton tea rooms closed 😕Haven’t been that way for 10 yrs or more. Living in the EU so enjoying your videos.
I recall as a child walking the section from Scarborough to Robin Hood (my parents being keen ramblers). I just remember it being hard work as the ballast was still down, although the track was long gone. This would be in the early to mid 1970s.
I also remember the track dissappearing into the tunnel at the Scarborough station end, however, I assume the goods yards were also long gone at this stage, unless they remained in use for a while after passenger traffic ended.
This series of videos is professional enough to be screened on mainstream tv. Seriously, well done, so interesting to see what is left of this beautiful line and the snippets of historical photos. I’ve really enjoyed watching every part and look forward to whatever you do next. Thanks again 👍
Thank you! I really appreciate those comments. Glad you enjoyed them. Plenty more to come!
Last time I did this walk was in 1984. It was a sponsored walk for a charity i cant remember the name of. Looks very different to what I remember. I do remember having a pub lunch slightly off route at the Three Jolly sailers in Burniston. Great video keep, up the good work.
Absolutely brilliant video. I travelled over that line in 1963 after a family holiday at Cayton Bay travelling back to Newcastle. I distinctly remember pulling into Robin Hoods Bay & of course Larpool Viaduct & Whitby & the confusion that caused! You've brought back great memories. Thank you.
Thanks Stuart! 👍🏼
I’ve put the bikes on the car gone to Whitby parked and cycled to Scarborough, stopped overnight and cycled back
It’s a fantastic track and it’s all off road
Your videos are amazing well done
Thanks Stuart! 👍🏼
Thanks. You have made a really good job of these videos. I travelled the line a few times in the 1950s and early 1960s. On steam hauled trains at first and then green DMUs.
I'm staying at the camping coach in Cloughton next year & had planned to do the walk to Scarborough so thanks to your video I'll know what to expect.....
Enjoy! It's in a great location to go in both directions. Try fit in the Peasholm walk, too (if you haven't already done it).
'Oscar' the railway carriage is lovely to stay in. I've stayed there twice. The current owners are lovely and take wonderful care of the place and people
@@hannahgibson1918 That's good to hear Hannah. We were supposed to be staying in 'Oscar' last year but had to cancel due to lockdown. Been wanting to stay in a camping coach for a while so really looking forward to it......
Really enjoyed the videos, looking forward getting back to Yorkshire soon . Thanks for doing such a wonderful show 👍👍
God that video refreshed a few old memories Andrew, as a kid I lived on the Barrowcliff estate, which bordered the cinder track when it was actually a cinder track, now all grassed. Used to be a bridge over it near St Lenards crescent which we used to climb and play on, all gone years ago. Later on as an adult I used to walk it with my dog normally as far as Scalby. As usual, a great video Andrew, keep up the great work
Thanks Shaun!
Another major blocker to this route is the North Yorkshire Moors railway is dead against it. They don't want a rival to Whitby and have convinced the council many times that adding a route will devastate Pickering and its tourist trade.
Thoroughly enjoyed the three-part show.. Most enjoyable and informative.
Thanks - glad you enjoyed them!
Oh Wow!
Andrew, I think you may have found a new vocation: your editing is on the money and your footage is fantastic. Your superimposition at about 12:47 was inspired. Never seen anything like that before!
Oh for a holiday at Cloughton... We're into our 6th Lockdown here in Melbourne, Oz...
Looking forward to your next presentation.
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Thanks Bryan! 👍
Me and my wife walked from Peasholm Park through woods and the cemetery one year when we where on holiday .
Hi Andrew, so enjoyed watching this Video. Well produced & informative, I particularly loved the incorporation of the Stations in the days of Steam. The Glorious Days of the Steam Railway may be long gone but it's Videos like this that bring back Happy Memories & recapture a much missed travel experience. Well Done! ❤
Thanks Susan!
Great work. I cycled this route in August 2020. Interesting to see what a lot of it's going through as most of my recollection of the Scarborough - Hawsker section was being in a railway cutting or surrounded bu undergrowth and trees.
I see a real opportunity to explore sections of this trail on a battery assisted recumbent tadpole trike like the ICE Adventure.
And in the context of group guided tours. And with Andrew as the tour guide!
Great video and brings back many memories. One of my school friends dad was station master at Scalby station and we often hung around together in the station yard, I had tea a few times there too. Just after you cross the viaduct into what is now Newby Farm estate, is where I was brought up from the early sixties, if you look on the estate there is one old house, that was our family home, my sister and I used to watch the trains going past, I also remember the sad time of seeing the track being lifted and the sleepers cut up into pit props, all what is now the estate was fields, where we used to get up to all sorts of mischief.
The Gallows Close shunting loco used to stand almost under Gladstone Road bridge, where there was a water crane and a pit on the line nearest to the supermarket kids play area.
Thank you ,another good video ,this time the only part I’ve cycled,one day all of it ,keep posting !!
Great videos. Really enjoyed your rambles and getting the information on the historical background on route.
Great work. The drone shots are fabulous. And the film is beautifully paced. Can’t think how many times I’ve walked along that route, lovely to see it again.
Thanks David 👍🏼
It's a must part 1 and 2 must be watched part 3 brilliant market Weighton next please video whitby to scarborough as the ticket says FIRST CLASS
Excellent. Made me a little bit homesick.
Excellent sir ....
Having cycled this route from Scalby Mills to Ravenscar and back, this is a great route and I cannot recommend the route enough. The problem with the Beeching act was allowing construction companies to build on the track-bed this has devastated modern restoration attempts to bring back certain lines. I can see what you mean about a miniature railway being ideal, some of the route is almost hidden and out of the way, though. If I call correctly the only café is the one at the end of the line at Ravenscar so some more route attractions would have to be added. As far as I am concerned rail does not serve the Yorkshire East Coast very well. Just a shame we can't have the North Yorkshire Moors running steam excursions from Pickering to Whitby down the coast line to Hull via Scarborough and Filey.
Always used to holiday in Scarborough after Butlins at Filey closed,love that coast,Whitby,Robin Hood's Bay,Scarborough,Filey & Bridlington,bought a book by a local historian about the Whitby to Scarborough line (can't remember his name but still have the book) & was on a GBRf tour to Scarborough behind the 2 class 50's pulling MK2 air cons,got a photo when the platform was clear & it was almost like going back to the 80's when we used to get the train to Scarborough for the week, Scarborough station was still massive then,still had the sidings,but it's a bus depot & a Tesco now 🤔😟
Inspiring, I live locally, know something of the route and now want pedal it all!
Really enjoyed watching this. A walk I'd love to do. Thank you!
The Station buildings were also a B&B as well as a tea room. My ex-wife and I stayed there back in 2006. The owners were wonderful people and the breakfasts were enormous full English.
They also had a video of the delivery of the carriage and how it was placed on the short rail section. If memory serves me right, they bought it from the works at Carnforth.
i went to Gladstone Road Junior School (1955-61) and remember looking out of the "senior boys' playground" at the shunting going on in Gallows Close - often by a little 0-6-0 # 47403.
The last train to Whitby was actually a steam hauled special which followed the DMU you have included. I was on the bridge at Scalby and have a photo of both the service DMU and the steam special.
A great set of 3 videos. Subscribed.
Cheers Martin! Glad you enjoyed them 👍🏼
A really interesting and very watchable series. I saved it up to watch in one go, and I am so glad that I did. Please keep up the good work. Best regards.
Thanks Colin! 👍🏼
Very interesting and enjoyable video's which are not only a superb introduction to anyone walking the route, but also indicate some imaginative proposals for reopening sections as a working railway, in the future.
I have to say that is a fair point, I visit Dungeness regularly as I live in Kent - but spent most of my childhood in and around the cinder track. The example here in Kent, would be amazing say - between Whitby and Ravenscar - not sure how well it would operate beyond that - but at least a whole chunk of the line would still be viable.
Thank you for showing me the section I have never walked - even though I know Scarborough well.
I look forward to your next videos.
Just want to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed this 3-part series of videos, the last of which has inspired me to explore the southern half of the Cinder Track - Hayburn Wike to Scalby & Scarborough. If the weather is kind, I'll do it this Autumn. Thank you for taking the time to prepare, shoot, edit and publish these superb travelogues.
Thanks, Steve. Really glad you've enjoyed them and have seen it for yourself!
just binge watched all three fantastic
I am always impressed by the professional quality of all your footage Well Done
Definitely going to walk to Scarborough along this route I have heard there is a fantastic vegan cafe there.
Thank you for the lovely video 😊
I really enjoyed your videos . Lots of information about the railway.
And a good idea for the potentialy using the old railway again. Love to see the old railway back like the nymr but that's the past. 10 out 10..for one of my fav parts of UK
A smashing trilogy of videos young man, taking me back a few number of years. Thank you
Another great video and fantastic footage. Well done mate and thank you👍 we give you a round of applause for the presentation 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 hope it’s not too long be for the next video which will be from where?
Thanks again Chris 👍 I've filmed the next two, so I'm hoping to get the next one up in the next couple of weeks!
Super to watch all three. Many thanks. …….
Absolutely loved it! Another inspired, comprehensive and fascinating episode - with a brilliant glimmer of light for the track's future.
With thanks to you we have been doing this walk.Yesterday we did Ravenscar to Hayburn Wyke (and back).
We are looking forward to completing the walk ,and this is all because of us seeing it on here in your excellent videos.
We have also done the old railway track from Thorpe Thewles to Sunderland which is also very interesting.
Keep up the good work,and i look forward to viewing more of your videos.
Thanks Richard! These are always my favourite comments. Make sure you do some of it during the summer, it’s stunning! 👍🏼
Expertly edited, with great soundtrack, superb aerial shots, old archive photos and just the right amount of commentary - a most enjoyable armchair 'walk' along the old railway route. (Love the idea of a fun narrow gauge railway for visitors!) Thank you! Looking forward to your next 'tour'.
Thanks Richard!
As a Londoner , we had a holiday in Robin hoods bay a couple of years ago and fell in love with the beauty of Yorkshire. It’s wonderful to revisit it through your video. Absolutely brilliant
What a fantastic series of videos. You should be so proud.
Thank you Chris.
Good morning from the guy who said to you 'Hello Mr CZcamsr' outside Wheatcroft! I got home and thought I haven't watched you in a while, looking forward to seeing your other adventures :)
Cheers mate! Plenty more on the way.
Never knew how trains got from Gallows Close to the main station. Thanks.
It was fairly common in that part of the world. There were reversals at Guisborough, Saltburn and between Whitby Town and Whithy West Cliff. However, any propelling movements up or down Prospect Hill, Whitby, were limited to 2 coaches with a brake coach leading in both directions when the train was being propelled.
A 2 foot gauge line was planned around RHB but it never came to fruition and the WHR obtained some of the locos.
An absolute treat - loved every minute
Such a professional video. Really nice drone shots.
Cheers Phil!
My GF lives in Scarborough and we walk out down the Cinder Track a lot - lovely to see the history and the scenery when I'm back home in Lancashire missing her and missing N Yorks
How many can remember the Hump Back Bridge near St Marks Church ,As kids in the 1940 s we watched trains go under it going to Scalby & putting half pennies on the track to flatten them ,
Finally caught up with this series of videos, looked a fantastic walk and really enjoyed the video as always
Awesome Trilogy.. sorry only just watched 3rd one, been so busy at work.. what a great eye opener to the area. Thank you
Thanks Jon! Glad you enjoyed them.
Thank you this was a very interesting video and makes me feel home sick from New Zealand
Thanks Terry! 👍🏼
Thank you. Loved watching these videos. Brilliantly put together and interesting throughout.
Thanks Ben!
Thanks for your time on this great video.
Thanks so much for making this series of short films so interesting. I was very impressed with your filming and editing skills. Hopefully, one day I will get the chance to follow in your footsteps and walk the “Cinder Track”myself.
Thanks Carol.
Very enjoyable and well put together series, thank you.
great videos, A few years ago I went from Robin Hoods Bay to Whitby and back before lunch then to Scarborough and
back (BY BIKE) Hard work up Ravenscar bank👍
Cheers John!
As an expat Yorkie who used to visit Scarborough many times in the past, I find your videos fascinating and evocative. Superb editing skills by the way!
Thanks Alan. Glad you're enjoying them.