Raiding Indy's Lost Character Arc
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- What can be revealed by watching the Indiana Jones movies in the story's chronological order? Starting with the flashback at the beginning of Last Crusade, then hopping to Temple of Doom, Raiders and so forth, presents Jones as a much more well drawn out character than he's often given credit for. Rob takes a deep dive into this series and its protagonist in our very first FanScription Editorial!
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Indiana Jones is an American media franchise based on the adventures of Dr. Henry Walton "Indiana" Jones, Jr., a fictional professor of archaeology that began in 1981 with the film Raiders of the Lost Ark. A prequel, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, was released in 1984. It was followed by a sequel, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, in 1989, and a fourth film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, in 2008. The series was created by George Lucas and stars Harrison Ford as the title character, while its first four films were directed by Steven Spielberg. The series was created by George Lucas and stars Harrison Ford as the title character, while its first four films were directed by Steven Spielberg.
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As bad as Kingdom of the Crystal skull is.
It does have an interesting aspect to it that was only slightly touched upon in this video.
Everything that Indy faces in this film has to do with the future.
It’s not really an ancient artifact he’s dealing with that has religious or mystical properties it’s an alien artifact, The big villain is supposed to be the soldier of the future a psychic soldier, The beginning of the film. while it’s ridiculous how he survives it, has him basically having to deal with a nuclear bomb. Throw in that having to deal with a young upstart kid that turns out to be his son. And basically like I said you could say that the theme of the movie was having to deal with all the aspects of the future for Indiana.
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I always find it fascinating when misogyny is thrown around without batting an eye, but nobody ever mentions the misandry that TONS of female characters in classic hollywood or even the modern age perpetuate. Hmmm. BUt yah, obviously Jones was no perfect hero, thats the point. Perfection is an illusion for the realms of comic books, Jones was just a self serving asrehole that somehow managed to get away with incredible shit. *shrugs * But at least he did it lol
PLus trying to say a maguffen is a further kind of plot device is superfluous, as plot device was sufficient since forever. But the modern era is all around useless, so...T.T
you forgot that young Indiana Jones is also cannon and it makes this arch you have here work even better
What I love about Indiana Jones is that he is more human than any action hero
Which is also what made Bruce Willis's character appealing in Die Hard
@@TechnologicallyTechnical Yes, exactly. This is why I consider Raiders and Die Hard to be the two greatest action films of the 80s, the unique elements they have in common: Vulnerable heroes who are increasingly wounded over the course of the adventure, facing off against highly intelligent villains who are at least as competent as them, if not more. That makes their triumphs so much more satisfying than, like, watching Ahnold mow down endless mooks at the end of Commando.
@@jasonblalock4429 now that I think about it, I think Terminator falls into that category as well.
@@jasonblalock4429 It all depends on how it's done. There's room for both the invincible Bruce Lee character & the vulnerable Jackie Chan character. The former is all about building up the villains' comeuppance while the latter builds up the hero's triumph.
He gets the shit kicked out of it, which justifies his sometimes nasty kills. He's just desperate.
I never realised Temple of Doom was a prequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark.
I'm an idiot.
LiveHedgehog dude same! I’ve been watching these movies since forever and I never knew this!
I never realized it was a prequel either. But it definitely makes sense, because no one in their right mind would have gone from a badass like Marion to an annoying harpy like Willie Scott.
Agreed, neither did I, but it sure makes sense. His character was all over the place going from Raiders to Temple. That always confused me; Now I see why. (but the time stamp at the front of the movie is later, isn't it?)
No, you aren't. The movie itself never clarified it.
@@christianschmidt8476 ... each movie begins stating the year they're set in.
I mean that for nearly three thousand years man has been searching for the Character Arc.
It’s not something to be taken lightly.
No one knows its secrets.
It’s like nothing you’ve ever gone after before.
Victor Bruant *Laughs* Marcus! What are you trying to do? Scare me? You sound like my mother. We known each other for a long time. I don’t believe in super fans, a lot of superstitious fandoms. I’m about to watch one of the greatest movie franchises of all time, your talking about the lost Character Arc. Besides you know what a cautious fellow I am.
@@oldmusic4ever902 *throws pistol in suitcase*
The search for the ark is the search for the divine in all of us
It has to be researched
@@Luka2000_Back when packing a pistol in suitcase was a thing.
R.I.P. River Phoenix
Tommy Devito go home and get your fuckin' shinebox
@@WillJordan3 you think this is funny? Does he ammuse you?
Who?
Will Jordan fuck off
Sanji C he was the actor for the first indianna Jones and Joaquin Phoenix’s older brother however passed away due to drug overdose
"Fedora Man" was originally written to be Abner Ravenwood, which makes his "fortune and glory" attitude make more sense
Hansom B. Wunderfull Is this a random fun fact you heard or is there somewhere I can actually read about the making/ background of these films?
Ohh that would have made an intriguing factor...i wonder where the adventures of young indiana jones would have fit into the arc? Personally once you realize that old jones could slightly unrealiable narrator still fit the arc. We see a) how relation between son and father become strained to the point we saw in last crusade prequel and b) we saw how and when certain traumatic experiences further molded the man we saw in temple of doom ( read ww1 Indy fought in that...)
Fedora's actor looks like he could be Marion's dad. If they came out and said he was Abner Ravenwood, I would have no issue with it.
Fedora Man was in a movie with Tom Selleck called An Innocent Man. He played a vile reprehensible subhuman cop who, along with his equally disgusting partner David Rasche, framed Selleck for possession of dope and sent him to the joint. Selleck eventually gets out and wastes Fedora Man in a shoot out. Ironically Selleck was going to play the role of Indy but he was under contract with Magnum P.I. Fedora Man is a disgrace to the badge.
Also Elsa from Last Crusade, her real name is Allison Doody. Glad she croaked, who the FUCK wants to be with a Nazi tramp who's last name is synonymous with shit 💩?
Now how does the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles fit into all this? ;P
i was gonna say the same thing but more like "what not counting the show?" lol
I have the same question.
And where he was toward end of it, and pre Marion.
The amount of times I’ve rewatched young Indiana Jones is unfathomable. Young Indy has two parts adolescent Indy tacking with his mom and dad around world adventures/meeting famous people of time. Second half is teen Indy while he fights with in WW1 in Belgian army then joins French secret service till end of WW1. There’s like 3-4 episodes after war and young adult Indy when gets back to American from war also does a stint in Hollywood Its good watch tho if you can find a stream somewhere.
@@lydonzappa I've seen all the Young Indy's, first, when they were broadcast on TV with the old George Hall Indy segments in them, and later on DVD, with old Indy edited out (which is a shame, because it changes the entire context of the show). As much as I like them for what they are, they are not the same character... neither River nor Harrison. In the original novelization of Raiders of the Lost Ark, after Indy rescues Marion at The Raven Bar in Nepal, she gives us a little peek into Young Indy when she admonishes him for still carrying that "old ruddy whip", recalling watching him use it for target practice. Clearly, they had a past together that is never touched on in the TV show... nor does Indy use the whip during his many adventures around the world (aside from once, but the whip isn't even his). There's zero connective tissue between them and the films and after watching them all, they leave me feeling empty with more questions than answers.
I knew the chronology but envisioning the different parts back to back adds so much more depth than watching in the release order
Back in 1989 they did a great job making "Crusade" a culmination & conclusion to Indys adventures. Subtle. Not heavy handed. Really brings his story full circle.
Small mistake in 1936 Vichy France wasn’t established yet, ww2 hadn’t even broke out yet!
Yeah, do your research guys... not cool
Of course that just makes Belloq even more of a traitor because he is working for a foreign regime that was talking about avenging the loss in WW1 and the treaty of Versailles. If it was during Vichy French era, he would have some plausible deniability of working with his government's new allies.
@@tylerharris7081 All it means is that Bellaq is working for whomever is funding his research, no different from whomever funded the Golden Idol quest from the intro. Remember, at the time the Nazis were not yet France's enemy.
He also lists Hong Kong as the first location in Temple of Doom when it is actually Shanghai.
THANK YOU JESUS
Indiana Jones really is a great character and he's so real. They did a great job
Bryce McKenzie Nice profile picture my guy
Well he looks like what a real archaeologist should be but he is fictional.
7:10 -- I've noted that Indy-inspired characters, such as Brendan Fraser's character in the MUMMY series and Nicholas Cage's in the NATIONAL TREASURE movies, the opposite often happens... they either do find and recover the movie's McGuffin that they are looking for, or are at least lucky enough to stumble upon some other treasure that they make off with by the skin of their teeth. Any thoughts on that? Anybody? Bueller?
I think when "The Mummy" came around the "hero loses the physical treasure because it's convenient to the moral" trope was getting old. And even then, in "The Mummy" the heroes stopped caring about the treasure the moment Imhotep surfaced. And in "National Treasure" the heroes' primary concern was the damage their rivals would do to get the treasure.
During the escape from the temple in Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indy momentarily loses his fedora and has to reach back under a rapidly closing door to get it. It's played for laughs at the time, but given the origin we later learn for his hat, and how personally it is connected to his whole identity, it's a lot more understandable that he'd take a risk like that to avoid losing it.
In Raiders he actually reaches under the door to get his whip. He did the same thing with his hat in Temple of Doom when the ceiling was coming down.
He also temporarily loses his fedora in "Crusade" near the end of the tank scene...
but the wind brings it back.
I'd just like to point out: I watched Kingdom of the Crystal Skull when it first came out and was a bit disappointed. Then after reading all of the hate online I became even more disappointed (let's admit it: social media group-think has most likely happened to the best of us). However, after about a decade of not watching it, I watched it about a year ago and I was pleasantly surprised. It was far better than I had remembered. There are still some moments that should never have happened (CGI monkey swinging) - and I wish the ants had been more realistic - but in hindsight I love the inter-dimensional travelers/ancient alien direction of the film. I think people were riding on the new-founded Star Wars prequel hate and letting that influence their feelings towards Indy 4.
Sometimes I think the toxic "fandom" plaguing us now began with the hatedom for the Prequels, starting with Phantom Menace, and should have been stopped then. If you mail death threats to Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd, you have bigger problems in your life than not liking a movie!
I could not agree more, dead on.
I’ll just say this right now because history is bound to be repeated, people will start to praise Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull after the fifth movie finally comes out. Because simply, anything new is ‘objectively bad’ because it puts a new fun twist on older concepts
EXCELLENT breakdown of the Indiana Jones arc. It's lost when you miss that ToD is meant to be a prequel, but it fits together perfectly when his life is played out in order. Well done, Rob. (And you too, Doug, if you were in on the thought process.)
When I watched TOD for the first time, IO was confused, as he went backward in his character development. I then realized it was a prequel.
It amazes me how many people didn’t realise temple of doom is technically a prequel
I went to see the movie on opening weekend and immediately knew it was a prequel -- when the year popped up on screen.
@@IndianaJoe0321 The envy is real.
Because most people don't make their movies out of order
@@plantainsame2049
George Lucas does
@@VOTE_REFORM_UK honestly the Star Wars Trilogy Works whether you watch it in production order or in chronological order cuz either way you get a badass plucked with you either get Darth Vader it's Luke's father or Anakin went on a f****** murder spray
I don’t think the cult is problematic in the way there portrayed, there a cult of evil people, and the village that tells Indie that the kids are missing, are generally nice people.
Kali is the Hindu goddess of Death and Rebirth. They only showed a single aspect, which is not how Hindu gods work. Every one of their gods is dualistic in nature.
mutegrab666 One could make the argument that this specific cult was extremist in nature and took certain teachings/mantras too far. Its literally one of the most common problems with several modern day faiths. The Muslims are basically divided in half by this very same practice, and Christiandom's sects that only focus on certain themes/elements of The Bible have only worked to damage what was supposed to be a united effort to Worship and Live by God and Christ. Ironic that by only focusing on one point of view, you fail to see the whole picture ; just like Mola Ram and his cult.
Samantha Senn "Oh no! This foreign culture's disgusting practices from 90 years ago are being used as shock value in a movie! This 40 year old movie is 'Problematic' and should be judged by our modern, emotion-centric way of thinking!" How utterly pathetic. Im so sick of this word, "problematic" getting thrown around whenever some spineless millenial takes offense to something that doesnt even bother people from the culture in question being mocked. "A white man voices a succesful indian businessman in a Cartoon? Problematic! Whats that? A black man voices a time traveling Japanese Samurai in a Cartoon and hams up the accent? Nah thats fine lol!". If its okay to mock the French for eating snails and frogs, it should be okay to mock the indians from 100 years ago for eating monkey brains. Get a spine and stop crying about how racist and "problematic" Lovecraft was whenever a tentacle monster shows up in a tv show or videogame.
@Samantha Senn The thuggee were a real cult in India that were known to have murdered people in the millions. They are, in fact, the source of the modern word "thug". There is nothing "problematic" about their portrayal in the film. The real problem is the brainwashing being administered to people like you by the insane and idiotic neo leftists that have infiltrated American academia.
@@uberd3323 Lovecraft was an active rascist even by the standards of the time. Go read literally ANY of his works in full and take a shot everytime his unique and horrifying worldbuilding is interrupted by his rascist and classist beliefs. And don't give me bullshit about how it was normal for the time. Committing genocide in Africa was popular for it's time it doesn't make it any less inhumane.
I like to think Indianna telling his students that "X never marks the spot" is a way of him telling them not to follow in his footsteps. Yes, he did become a better person over time, but he almost died on every adventure.
I doubt it. In Indians Jones 4 he says to be a good arqueologist you need to go outside. I feel like people over analyze things
@@damiantirado9616 That's just how I interpret it. He can be pretty flippant despite his adventures.
@@dylanogg347 I think that scene was pretty much just a joke. It’s true that in Indiana Jones adventures X never actually marks the spot but in that scene X did mark the spot so it’s almost ironically how he said it never happens but it happened.
Kind of like in raiders he said he doesn’t believe in magic and the end of the movie he ends up believing.
Even if this might be a bit of an overanalysis, I think you did hit the mark with Indy becoming a better person over time. It's something I appreciate about Raiders and the rest of the movies. Indy isn't static, and he isn't even static morally. He was an arrogant kid back in the day just like everyone else that slept around and broke hearts and didn't care about the kind of mark he was making. He left Marion hurting and didn't realize that he's reponsible for his actions. I think a lot of the messaging in Indy revolves around responsibility. How to be a responsible person, a responsible father, a responsible son, and how to be responsible with the divine.
@@damiantirado9616 Well, even that X wasn't a real X in a sense that treasure maps usually indicate that "here's the secret location", it was simly the Roman numeral of 10 because when that library (former temple) was built, only the Roman numerals were used as numbers. In that sense, number 10 marked the spot, not an actual X.
If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is terrible, then why not do a Video about how to fix it like you did with the haunted mansion
Then*
The only way to fix it is to invent a time machine and go back in time to convince George Lucas and Steven Spielberg to not make a half-assed cash grab of a 4th movie.
hopefully not like when he tried to fix the wall. cant fix whats already perfect.
What? That’s my favorite one
@@jjbjjv8288 - Everyone is entitled their opinion. And of course art is subjective.
But that said, "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is objectively terrible and if it's your favorite film in the franchise then you're just plain wrong and should be ashamed of yourself. ;)
It's kinda ironically funny how I remember everything about Raiders of the Lost Arc, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade.
But, I honestly can't remember a damn thing about Crystal Skull.
Big ants and natives
@Jacob Underwood They dared to call ME mad, for saying that "Kingdom" is better than "Temple". MAD, they said!
It did break formula, which is why it felt wrong.
@@louisduarte8763 No.
I remember fridge, giant ants, and then ending.
It's funny that Indy is considered the most human action hero now while in the original discussions between the creators they're describing him as this overpowered at the same time physically strong and really intelligent, confident and good with women, skilled with a whip, rugged bounty hunter, but also professor with a phd and expert archaeologist with knowledge of all the myths and history and also part time exorcist combination of James Bond and other heroes who beats up nazis and their concern was that he was going to be too stacked lol
Some dialogue at the end of "Crusade" really supports the notion of Indy's inner journey...
Donovan: "It's time to ask yourself what you believe."
Indy: "It's a leap of faith."
Henry: "You must believe, boy."
I always thought the ancient engineering techniques in the first scene of Raiders that allowed those traps to work so well after so long would have been worth more than that gold statue
I remember a cross section book somewhere showing some of that...
Actually, there are still working traps being encountered at the terracotta army excavation site. So it's not as implausible as it seems that these traps could still be functional.
I like to think that the young Indiana Jones Chronicles fits in this arc too. It can be used to further develop his transition from and innocent boy scout to a selfish treasure hunter.
We first see him as a child before he meets Fedora, and most of those episodes are simply life lessons teaching him how to do the right thing and developing his empathy. His relationship with his father is also touched on in these episodes, and we learn that his father is actually a lot kinder to Indy before Anna Jones (Indy's mother) passes away. They have a few very nice bonding moments, and Indy does seem to learn a lot from his father.
After his encounter with Fedora, he hasn't entirely given up his boy scout personality. However we do see some of Fedora's influence in these episodes as Indy wears the hat given to him and gets into trouble. But he still tends to do the right thing. Then he goes through hardships. For example, his relationships with women.
His mother was the only woman he seemed to truly love, at least in the show. She was kind and nurturing, but she died during his most formative years. Indy later says that his mother was the person that held his family together, and after she died Indy and his father drifted away. It is possible that Indy blames his mother for ruining his relationship with his dad. His short lived relationship with Vicki is his first real romantic encounter, and it ends poorly. That would surely break his spirits. His relationship with Mata Hari wasn't very healthy either. It was a very strange and manipulative relationship that ended with Indy leaving and her later being killed. Even Indy's high school girlfriend ends up marrying his high school bully. All of Indy's relationships in the show end in heartbreak and sadness, which explains his misogynistic and negative feelings towards women in Temple of Doom.
During the war he sees men killed, and atrocities committed. He sees innocent people die because of corrupt governments and is unable to help those in need, like in the African hospital arc. After the war we start to see him become more of the cynical treasure hunter we meet in Temple of Doom. This transition is further enforced when he hunts for the eye of the peacock with Remy. We start to see his selfish motivations, and in the end that ruins one of the greatest relationships in the show.
Feel free to use these observations in a video. I highly recommend you watch the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles if you haven't already. It's a great show!
Speaking of Raiders having more depth than people realize, there's a very strong case to be made that Belloq is a secret Jew. Which, if true, makes him SO much more interesting. It gives him a clear purpose, and elevates him to at least anti-villain status. He's not a traitor searching for the Ark as a prize - he wants the weapon of his people to protect them against a terrible enemy. Even sacrificing Indy & Marion becomes arguably justified, with such stakes. But unfortunately God disagrees, judging him as unworthy and smiting him with the other blasphemers.
The full explanation is a bit long-winded and complicated. But among other things: He never actually states his motivations, although it seems like he wants to in the bar scene. He clearly is a devout believer in God and the power of the Ark. And WHY does he want to talk to God? Since he views himself as tainted, he'd need a *very* good reason for that. He's also very familiar with Jewish rituals and the Hebrew language, and even has a full rabbi outfit on-hand along with a Torah (or Talmud? not sure), while insisting the ritual MUST be performed. Then he calls literally all the Nazis to the Ark-opening ceremony, although that seems excessive/unnecessary - unless he intended for them to all die!
(Also, my understanding is that the booze he shares with Marion, "his family label," is a very particular kind of spirit made in Algeria, which was a French colony at that time. And since the local Muslims were banned by their religion from being in the alcohol trade, guess which minority group did most of the distilling. It actually all ties together. Although this info is secondhand.)
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Edit: Well, this got weird.
I never read it like a secret Jew. I always thought he was very open about it. It seemed to me that this was explaining why he had so much power over a Nazi army: this was the one case where they'd break their own policies. The prize was so great that the Nazi Colonel was willing to put up with direct insults (you would use a bulldozer to find a China cup) and contradictions to their own laws (insisting on a Jewish ritual), when in any other movie they'd have forced Belloq to work at gunpoint. Belloq should have been a prisoner, but someone realized they'd never find the Ark that way, so cooperation is required.
Then again, I didn't realize at the time that he could have just been putting on a ceremonial robe and reciting a very common opening prayer. He might very well be not a Jew at all.
@@mrgreatbigmoose actually.... i took it all as arrogance most times i viewed it and arrogance... but he could really have meant for them to all be there to be judged by God's will and to let things happen however God chose to do, whether sparing them, changing them somehow as it has been stated to happen in the bible from time to time to transform someones essence and being, or to simply get them killed or warned that thier actions will be judged and they better change everything there and then or they risked iring a true, super, being.
Or you could go the Jacques de Mahieu route, and take the Big B on face value. Spooky.
@Jonty the point was it's possible they were trying to get God to pay attention and speak out one way or the other, despite how others who were uncaring in their presumptions assuming it to just be a power source without questioning what was generating or controlling the power, that's sort of the whole point, it's the faithful pushing the arrogantly presumptive along to what could turn into a trap, that's the whole point of this thread chains starting comment isnt it? Or did I just miss assume myself this time
@Jonty i .... i dont know how to explain this, but we are having a discussion on a fictional film, its fiction, presumably everyone knows its fiction, the point is to try to understand another human beings point of view, this conversation is about empathy, its the concept of understanding what someone else is seeing and thinking... which seems to be a failing of many that they lack the ability to have empathy and see the redemptive parts of a character, if you maybe worked on your empathy towards others you wouldn't jump to these conclusions so quickly or whoever pays you to jump to conclusions about other peoples conversations without trying to understand where they are coming from, we are discussing what makes him a redeemable character not because hes good or bad, but because from his perspective, hes trying to find a way to get God to intervene and to stop the Savages and hes tried everything else, and now with temples and other religious places violated and a historic seat and covenant about to be violated he is desperate to get God to intervene in any way he can lest it be said at the end of his days he didnt try everything he could, or he didnt try to ask for God's intervention in every way its stated in historical texts to be possible to reach or communicate with God through any means possible, or simply that he allowed a relic of God to fall into the hands of the chosen peoples persecutors which could be considered a unholy or evil act
But do not mistake me either, i really appreciate the historic things you referenced and put in the chat, thats really nice to know and i thank you for referencing that and for this interesting point of view, thank you, hopefully and prayerfully everyone is having a good day and a easy time through life and not a overwhelming time that might be miserable
The Young Indy scene is perhaps my favorite of the three movies
If you like that, there is a whole TV shows which shows Indy between the ages of 9 and 21, as a mischevious child to a Soldier in WWI to an aspiring archaeologist but not trained yet. You even see him use the whip again in a fight.
If you like that, there is a whole TV shows which shows Indy between the ages of 9 and 21, as a mischevious child to a Soldier in WWI to an aspiring archaeologist but not trained yet. You even see him use the whip again in a fight.
Belloq didn't betray his country. Vichy France was established during the war and this is 1936.
You do lose the awesome hat transition in Last Crusade watching it this way
I recently saw someone mention an anecdote about someone saying they hated ToD cuz Indy learned nothing from RotLA, and seeing a totally new perspective upon being told it's a prequel.
Ender they have the dates in the begging of the movies and tod is a year before rotla
@@-thebatman- I'm aware.
That's pretty funny.
14:42, to tie in with this when they are searching the catacombs underneath the library, there are marking of the ark of the covenant on the wall, which Indy points out to Elsa, she asks him "are you sure" and he replies "pretty sure", very subtly the theme for raiders can be heard in the background. The way he says "pretty sure" and the theme shows the fear/respect he now has for these occult powers from Temple of doom to raiders, he seems to just dismiss their magical/mystical properties at the beginning, but at the end of every journey he gains a new perspective. Something Elsa doesn't have thus leading to her death at the end of the film as she only wanted a prize in holy Grail not to understanding what the Grail actually stood for, something Indy was all about in the two previous films.
In Temple he understands the power of the stones and in Raider he blasts that the government doesn't understand what power they hold with the ark. Brilliant video, really shows the character ark and complexity of the Indiana Jones character.
* Yea, Indy does have kind of an interesting backstory. I mean, he left high school after the first semester of his junior year to join the Belgian Army during WWI at the end of March in 1916. Then, right after the episode of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" called "Masks of Evil", the United States Army Intelligence discovers that Indy is serving in the Belgian Army in September of 1918 and forced him to transfer to the U.S. American Expeditionary Forces Army Air Service, where he and Jock Lindsey(the dude flying the airplane at the beginning of "Raiders") flew a Martin MB-1 Bomber Biplane during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive from September 26th to November 11th 1918 hence, this is why Indy wears that bomber jacket of his on all of his adventures.
* Immediately after the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, Indy puts in a request to retire from the army, and his request is granted. "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" episode called "The Treasure of the Peacock's Eye"(which is the diamond that Indy gives Lao Che in the film "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom") takes place immediately after this. Then in January of 1919, Indy attends a high school in Princeton, New Jersey and manages to complete his high school studies by May of that year, graduating with the class of 1919(Indy's father helped pull some strings for him).
* Then, that summer Indy moves to Chicago and enrolls at the University of Chicago. He decides to major in Linguistics, and to take a minor in Archaeology by September of 1919. This is where Indy meets Abner Ravenwood while taking Abner's "Archaeology 101" class. Indy recognizes Abner from when he met him for the first time in Utah in 1912 when Abner took "The Cross of Coronado" from him(Abner was the character credited as "Fedora", which was his nickname, at the beginning of the film called "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade").
* Abner introduces Indy to his 14 year old daughter "Marion", and they started dating and having a romantic relationship. In June of 1920(since Indy already spoke several languages fluently even before he began majoring in Linguistics), he receives a bachelor's degree in Linguistics after only 1 year(his father pulled some more strings for him here as well). Then in August of 1920, Indy moves to Paris, France to enroll at the Sorbonne University of Paris. Marion begs Indy to stay, but Indy claims that this is something that he has to do.
* Then Marion begs Abner to let her go with Indy, but Abner refuses because Marion is only 15 years old. Indy and Marion stay in contact by writing to each other quite often. Indy switches majors, and begins to major in Archaeology. It is also at the University of Paris where Indy meets "Wu Han"(from the film "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom"), who is majoring in Political Science, and they became good friends. This is also where Indy meets "Rene Belloq"(from "Raiders").
* Belloq is also majoring in Archaeology, and Indy has him in almost every one of his classes. They are adversaries from the get-go, never seeing eye-to-eye on anything. Over the years, they have many debates with each other during class, in which, Indy wins every one of these debates(at least, the ones where he is able to get a word in edgewise). In August of 1921, Wu Han, so inspired by Indy, changes his major from Political Science to Archaeology.
* Then in November of 1922 Abner manages to procure employment for himself, Indy, Wu Han, and Abner's friend "Sallah" to work as diggers, gofers and assistants for Abner's friend and colleague "Howard Carter" during his excavation of the tomb of Tutankhamun in Luxor, Egypt in an adventure called "Indiana Jones and the Tomb of the Pharaoh's Curse". In 1923, Abner keeps writing to Indy telling him that he would like him to marry his daughter Marion, since she is now of age(18 years old).
* Indy keeps responding that he feels it would be best for them both if he finished school first before committing to married life. He tells Abner that as soon as he finishes school, then he will ask Marion to marry him. Then, in June of 1924, Indy receives his bachelor's degree in Archaeology. In September of 1924, Indy begins working on his Master's degree in Archaeology at the University of Paris. Then, in June of 1925, he manages to get his first teaching job teaching a summer archaeology course in London, at the University of London.
* Indy falls in love with a 20 year old Scottish student of his named "Deirdre Campbell" at the University of London. Then Indy sends a letter to Marion, and another letter to Abner, confessing to them that he can't marry Marion because he's fallen in love with someone else that he met while he was teaching in London. Marion and Abner are devastated and heartbroken. They never respond to Indy's letters ever again, and Marion continues to follow Abner on all of his expeditions and excavations.
* The last of which, takes place in Nepal in 1933 where Abner buys a local tavern and names it "The Raven". He gives ownership to his daughter Marion, and lets the previous owner "Mohan" stay on as a bartender employee who also serves as one of the bouncers. Marion and Mohan become romantically involved "friends". Abner begins searching for the fabled city of "Ra-Lundi" of the legendary "Shangri-La" in the western end of the "Kunlun Mountains". He finds "Ra-Lundi", but he never returns for some reason.
* He was believed to have died from exposure, starvation or dehydration. Then in March of 1926, Indy and Deirdre get married, and as such, her name is changed to "Deirdre Jones". A few weeks after the wedding, Indy and Deirdre are in a plane crash, and she is killed in the crash during Indy's adventure called "Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils"(novel). After taking time out to mourn over the loss of his wife, Indy decides to continue working on his masters degree in archaeology because he feels that, that is what Deirdre would've wanted him to do.
* Indy finally receives his masters degree in archaeology in June of 1927. Indy decides to continue attending the University of Paris, and in September of 1927 Indy begins working on his doctorate(Ph.D.) in archaeology. Then in 1930 Belloq, resentful for all the arguments he's lost over the past 10 years, gets his revenge by stealing Indy's thesis. Not being able to prove it, Indy knew that he had to change his thesis or it would look like he copied "Belloq's" thesis like a bad case of sour grapes or something.
* Indy changed his thesis, and it actually turned out to be even better than the thesis that Belloq stole from him. Indy receives his Ph.D in June of 1930, finally becoming a doctor of archaeology. Then, in the summer of 1931, Indy and Wu Han go to Madagascar in that adventure called "Indiana Jones and the Jewel of Heaven" that Prime Minister Chatter Lal mentions in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". The artifact that Indy is going after is believed to be the "Middleham Jewel".
* The adventure ultimately ends up in Zanzibar where Sultan "Khalifa bin Harub" threatens to cut Indy's balls off if he ever returns to his land. Then in 1933, Indy goes on an adventure in British Honduras(now called "Belize") called "Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Serpent", where he goes in search of "The Crystal Skull of Cozan". You can read about this adventure in the prologue of the novel called "Indiana Jones and the Philosopher's Stone".
* I guess that video game called "Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb" takes place right before the events in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". If you want to see the full extent of that temple that Indy explores at the beginning of Raiders, there's a bonus level where you can do that in that video game called "Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine", which is another really fun game, and if that's not enough for ya, they've even got 3 different editions of the "Indiana Jones (dice-tabletop) Role Playing Game". I hope this kind of helped you to understand Indy's back story, and how he became the man you see in "Temple of Doom" and "Raiders of the Lost Ark".
Don’t forget of young Indiana Jones TV show. That was a cool show that has a good character arc there too.
Okay, the "It belongs in a museum," made me laugh out lout
Indiana Jones is more than a "generic action hero" in the same way Captain Kirk in Star Trek is more than just a "generic scifi hero." In fact, they're quite similar in personality and role. But what a lot of people overlook is that both characters build off of others. Both Jones and Kirk get the bulk of their development by what other characters do to them. As well as a strong core group of character actors to play off of. It's both the easiest form of character writing but also the strongest at the same time. Which is why it's so baffling that 99% of Hollywood films and TV can't get it right. Even some of Lucas' and Spielberg's other works don't get it right.
i still cant stop replaying lego indiana jones cause its a game that was ahead of its time
I Remember That Game.
Indiana Jones, canon of Lucas(write as I remember what I read/watched):
1899-1907: child life in some village (unreleased, planned for TV series "Young Indiana Jones" in unreleased Season 3)
1908-1912: travel with Father around the world(series "Young Indiana Jones")
1912-1916: adventures in Tom Sawyer's style (books "Young Indiana Jones adventures" published in 1990-1992, intro of Indiana Jones-3)
1916-1921: Mexican revolution, becoming soldier in WW1, becoming spy, return to USA and studying archeology in university (series "Young Indiana Jones", some issue from comics Dark Horse 90s, games of nes and sega)
1922-1932: Early adventures (books of Bantam(Mcgregor&Caidin) 90s, comics "Indiana Jones Adventures" 2000s, mainly French comics 90s, unreleased issue of Dark Horse about first meet with Marion)
1933-1935: Mystic exotic adventures(books of Bantam(McCoy) 90s,mainly books of LR Stein 80s, games for DOS and Windows, Disneyland attraction, non-canon bunned screenplay of Chris Columbus, game Emperor's tomb, movie Indiana Jones-2)
1936-1939: archeological adventures vs Nazi(movies Riders(Indiana-1) and Indiana-3, comics Marvel 80s, comics Dark Horse 90s-2000s, game Stuff of king and new game planned for 2023, some German books 90s, some books of LR Stein 80s, non-canon Spanish independent movies 2010s)
1940-1946: WW2 years adventures (DelRey books 2000s, German books 90s, non-canon Russian book, intro of Dial of Destiny)
1947-1956: Cold War years vs Russians (comic "Spear of Destiny", game "Infernal Machine", final of series "Young Indiana Jones" in second season, movie Indiana-4)
1956~1990: unknown (just movie Indy-5:Dial of destiny)
1990~: just granny(final of some episodes of series "Young Indiana Jones" in first season) later this was deleted in DVD version and accepted as non-canon by Lucas
Have any links to the parts in the 90s of young indiana jones?
Also, I've forgotten about unreleased animated series on comics "Indiana Jones Adventures". There were planned to show adventures from 1933 to 1939. As I understood, comics "Indiana Jones Adventures", books of DelRay and game "Stuff of King" were not popular, so the animated series was canceled.
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20:36 I think you could make a clear argument that Solo isn't just a characterless pawn in a sci-fi set piece. He's a brilliant antihero who rectifies his past and becomes a true hero
One of the best character analysis/video essays I've ever watched. Well done!
Fantastic video. Only one flaw: Vichy France did not exist in 1936, when Raiders takes place. France and Germany are not at war, and Beloc did not "betray" his country. He was a Frenchman sympathetic to the Nazi cause at worst, or someone will to work with them to achieve his own ends at best.
He still "betrayed" France as France and Germany are still bitter enemies before WWII.
18:05 Ukrainian, not Russian. The fact that she's Ukrainian is significant, possibly due to what Stalin did to Ukraine in the early 1930s during Holodomor. In a sense, her loyalty to the Stalinist state could be viewed as cultural treason against her Ukrainian heritage, making her similar to Belloq.
18:08 Also notice how Indy does battle with the "Three Internationals" - the Red (socialism), the Black (fascism), and the Golden (corporatism).
18:45 Representations of the Black, the Golden, and the Red Internationals, respectively. Those colors correspond with the "Three Faces of Satan" as depicted by Dante.
*Edit/Note:* Dante, not Milton.
As Ukraine was part of the USSR it is accurate to call her Russian,. She's not really a cultural traitor as she grew up in the USSR and was most probably a product of it's system as any citizen, through fear, brainwashing, acceptance of obeying the law, and love of a superior force. Belloq also wasn't a traitor.
@@davidjames579 The Vichy regime was treasonous to France. The French Resistance had the right idea. Charles de Gaulle was a true patriot and represented the true spirit of nationalism (which is a spirit of Resistance).
*Edit/Note:* I should specify that I mean "treason against The People," not "treason against the state." An enemy of the state is a friend of The People.
Three faces of satan was Dante not Milton
@@FlushedNoob Fixed.
@@judsongaiden9878 I don't disagree with you on that, but I meant in literal terms of treachery, Belloq was an ally of his government. If Germany had won the war, De Gaulle would have been tried as a traitor to France. I don't agree, but you can understand the logic. It's the reason why captured German soldiers weren't tried as traitors, because they were fighting for their government.
This video contains everything I have ever preached about the character organized, summed up, and explained much more intelligently than I ever could.
I just watched the trilogy in chronological order, and I got SO much more out of these movies that I already love.
This was amazing, Indiana Jones films is what made me get into film and get a degree. Great video and agree 100%
Indy’s vulnerability is his strength, forcing him to do better than the villains around him.
Wow! This actually makes me think more about Indy as a fully-fleshed-our character!
Temple of Doom is my favorite Indy film. I had no idea so many people had issue with it over the years. I'm glad it seems people have come around. The trilogy is great.
1:49 because were keeping up with the joneses it was a song made to appear in Indiana Jones and the last crusade, but it never was put in
This shot up to the top of my favorite all time video essays. Thank you.
This is a fascinating breakdown of something I hadn't noticed before.
I would love to see an updated version of this that includes Dial of Destiny, which has a flashback sequence as well so itll be cool to see how that plays out in the 'larger narrative'. Assuming, of course - and hoping - that they made a movie that continues this trajectory!
CZcams randomly recommended this video to me despite never having even searched anything directly or indirectly (to the best of my memory) related to it via CZcams. But color me impressed. I love how you broke it all down only to piece back together into a more coherent story and narrative. I wasn't expecting to be so thoroughly entertaining by this video AND learn something new about such a classic series in the process. Your channel lives up to its name. 10/10 Subscribed!
9:11 No, he wasn't. Earlier in the video you showed that Raiders took place in 1936. World War 2 started in 1939 and France didn't fall until 1940.
I came here to point this out and was relieved someone else caught their error. Seems like a silly mistake for anyone to make.
@Jacob Underwood but he talks about Vichy France, which didn't exist untill occupation of france
this!
also technically Austria is part of Germany at this time, so I also don't see how Elsa is betraying her country to work with the Nazis when her country IS the German Reich
@@NO_LOVE_LOST I pointed this out in a comment of my own, I think the primary issue is that Mr. Walker isnt very good with history and dates.
Thanks Rob, This is an incredible piece. I have cherished the Indiana Jones films all my life. And this take really opens up the story of Indiana alot more.
This is probably the best video essay I have ever watched. Great work.
You’re forgetting The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones.
Thanks for this very interesting essay; it works so well, and covers Indy's development nicely.
I would submit that, since the relationship between Indy and Marion is in the script and discussed between them, that possibly it should have been slotted into this presentation after the flashback and before Temple? It matters because it not only feeds into Indy's attitude toward women, but also because his relationship with Marion was likely the "falling out" he had with Abner Ravenwood, a mentor and possible potential father figure who was removed from Indy's life, possibly because of this behavior.
So the major fathers/mentors in Indy's life are: Henry Jones; Fedora Man; Abner Ravenwood; Henry again. The major women are: Marion; Willie; Marion; Elsa; Marion. I admit that the only time I watched "Crystal Skull" was on a flight. It bored me, but I loved his "They weren't you" to Marion. Perhaps another pattern and development is, that in terms of fathers and loves, Indy regains what he lost/should have but didn't have.
Amazing analysis mate. This great series was my childhood and I'm glad it turned out to be much more than just Indiana's awesomeness that made me love the movies.
17:48: That was such a beautiful moment in the film. I liked those parts of the movie.
Wow! This was a good analogy on the character of Indiana Jones. I definitely learned something here. Spielberg and Harrison would be proud. 😯😌😌😌 👏👏👏👏👏
Indiana Jones is my childhood. I used to always watch him as a kid, and I don't care what anyone says, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull slaps
I need more of these from Rob.
This was an excellent and succinct (as well as amusing) take on that POV about Indiana Jones; this may be to-date the best put-together of these sorts of character/movie analyses that I've seen on CZcams. Good job.
This is an excellent argument and I am ashamed I’ve never seen it like this. Well done
I never read in to the character arc when I was younger so this was a really cool reflection. Thank you for posting, it's a great video!
More stuff like this please. 11 out of 10, 6 stars in a 5 star system.
I remember wanting to chronologically watch the Indy trilogy with the Young Indy intro at the start when I was younger. Seeing this video makes me want to watch it like that even more.
Damn this is one of the best videos I’ve seen on YT. How I’m barely finding it now is a big mystery. Thanks, Rob!
This is the best 'Breakdown' of not only EVERY movie... but Indiana Jones' character as a whole....all the people screaming about the franchise being killed by one CEO - should ALL watch this. Full marks,top work!
"It belongs in a museum !"
Hahaha!!
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I actually really really liked this. Learned alot even though I've seen these movies since I was a kid. More of this please Rob
awesome video, Thanks Rob!
Dude this was the best breakdown of my favorite character of all time. You did an awesome job!
Thank you for an interesting insight into one of my favourite movie characters of all time
The amazing thing is that I've been watching all the movies in order for the past few days and just finished today, so it's super easy for me to get behind what he's saying
I was Jonesing for a video on this. Thank you for the article link.
Man Indy is probably my favourite fictional character and this video blew my mind. Loved it. What are your thoughts on a fifth and final film? Personally I am excited.
This is a fantastic video. Thank you for the insight!
This was interesting. I had never considered this character arc. Awesome
Great video!! So many angles I never thought about before 🤯 Bravo 👏
Eagle Scout here! Young Indiana Jones (When he's played by River Phoenix) is actually a Life Scout, one below Eagle. You can see the patch on his left shirt pocket has a red background forming a heart. That is the Life Scout symbol.
What works about Indiana Jones, among many things is how human he is, he bleeds, he loses, he struggles, he earns every victory. Just like later with Uncharted’s Nathan Drake and Lara Croft of Tomb Raider, all three do have a selfish motivation as to why they are doing what they are doing, but learn to rise above it.
Literally wrote a college essay on this! Hyped more people are getting on this train!
I really like this new video formatting of video essays you do good work Rob! Thank You.
Fantastic analysis! Well done.
The mysterious fedora man’s is literally Garth Fedora, who wouldn’t want a guy with the last name Fedora as a role model character
Really good video, this deserves more views super in depth and well explained
What an excellent video essay. It so well articulates the archetypal hero myth that unknowingly enraptured millions of viewers. Congratulations are in order for this outstanding accomplishment. Well done sir. You've truly lifted a magnificent veil. Very well done indeed. Very impressed. More of this please.
I see why in Temple it was set in 1935 and Raiders/South America 1936 one year later after the events of Temple. And in Last Crusade how things were came to play. Well played Lucas and Spielberg
This was great the exact opposite of Billy Madison, everyone is now smarter after hearing you speak.
Great video. Very insightful
Great stuff! I just saw them in the original order but I'll try this out the next time a marathon comes around!
It’ll be interesting to see how Dial of Destiny continues this ark (see what I did there?) or if it will accidentally degrade his character.
The latter, mark my words.
If the plot ends up being about time travel and the driving force for Indy is grief then I'm on board.
@@truth__hurts What's the point. You're gonna whine about it anyway.
Oh no, it will purposely degrade his character.
@@JWeb66 To what end?
Excuse me please what about the young Indiana Jones series?
Despite having Harrison Ford and following continuity it is considered not canon.
Edit: yeah he’s just talking about the arc in the films.
Just what I was thinking.
@@DoctorProph3t quote for its non-canon nature given one adventure gets referenced in Crystal Skull?
DrendarMorevo Do I look like George Lucas? Go fucking ask him. I’m not the authority on this shit I just regurgitate what I hear/read like every other piece of shit on this planet.
So, why not...?
Yo amazing video, really kept me invested and I even got to learn more about Indiana
A very interesting breakdown video. It's helped give more thought into character and arcs.
Great video Rob. Really wonderful. I do feel that many people don't appreciate the greatness and brilliance behind the Indiana Jones movies. I was wondering if you could maybe make a video about Batman returns. I know that just like me you feel that it's a very underrated movie and I'd love to hear your opinion about it
Reposting what Moises Munguia
wrote, cuz I would like to see this done: "If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is terrible, then why not do a Video about how to fix it like you did with the haunted mansion". BTY New here and looooooved it. It was just coincidence, finished yesterday with all the Indi movies finally, since I never saw Raiders and Temple, just the Crusade and Skull one. Now I am pumped and ready to see them again with this in mind. When I finished them all I did ended up with a somewhat bitter flavor, I knew there was something more under all the dust, sand and treasure, but strangely found it hard to find why was it. Thanks bro.
Moises Munguia
wrote: "If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is terrible, then why not do a Video about how to fix it like you did with the haunted mansion" I would love to see this happen.
I think Uncharted 4 is the perfect blueprint for how to make a Crystal SKull good. They shared certain similarities , except it worked out well in Uncharted 4, such as older protagonist, long lost previously unseen relative, being retired from treasure hunting at the beginning, retiring again at the end, and a sword fight .
Thanks for this! I’ve always wanted to see them edited into proper order. This does so, and then some!
Thx For this. Really great video. Never thought of looking at it this way. that was a great eye opener.
I always just thought Indy was awesome... now, even more so!
And now to see how Disney's attempt at a fifth movie plays out...
Wait,what?
It'll probably be worser than worse that the following will begin to praise kingdom of the crystal skull
@@erenyeager3655
I think it will be the same as Star Wars
Lets be honest: whatever they do, it can’t be worse than Crystal Skull.
@@Cuttersway
That's what we thought after the prequels
This deserves more views I didn’t even know Temple was a prequel but it makes sense now looking at it. I love this version of his character arch and I definitely will be watching the movies in this order now.
This video makes me love these films even more. Thank you so much for your brilliant insights.
I agree and I'm interested in the new one coming up now