Naruto - Pain's Philosophy
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- Pain is my favourite villain in the Naruto universe because of his philosophy, but also because of his leadership. Pain was terrifying, calculated, menacing and not to mention, he also had the best voice of any character in Naruto dubbed or subbed.
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I've seen this video like 30 times...
WE NEED IT!!
What about Zabuza
it werent jiraiyas enemies rather than random people he met over the years during his travels
Hella dope
Pain = a pragmatic who wanted a world as peaceful as possible
Madara = an idealist who wanted peace by creating a new world altogether
Naruto = a naive person who wanted peace through friendship
Flamin' Cat and that's why naruto is a kids show
That's why you have cancer, sorry sir.
MT Games is it childish to be optimistic?
Antony I'm not talking about pain or madara these are awesome characters but naruto was 100% qualified to lose this dude should've lost but nooooo power of friendship always wins. fan service ruined this awesome show unfortunately :(
@MT Games dats the point of the show though..most animes do ve similar stories; to have a hero (mc) appear and do something dat has never been done...
its basically making something considered impossible happen through determination and hope
only in sadness, can we know the value of happiness.
R B that became one of my favorite quotes
nope
quotes like that are just idiotic to me and do not apply to me
Sasuke kuniski you just need a good punch on your face then. That'll apply to you.
Shinra Tensei Lmfao
“No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell.”
- Carl Jung
"There is no coming to consciousness without pain" would have been the better quote to use here, as Nagato not only sees the fallacy of righteousness(Heaven vs. Hell) but has found the answers to it through his painful experiences. I had to read some info about Carl Jung though to respond here, and I think he's my favorite psychiatrist now after reading his quotes!
Lukas Lukas lol now you’re quoting Nagato but basically I was saying that right and wrong are in the eyes of the beholder, and that the only people who can see right and wrong objectively (I mean those who can understand someone else’s view on right and wrong at least) are those whose definitions of right and wrong have changes due to tragedy in their lives.
For instance, Nagato originally saw good as guiding people down the path of friendship and mutual respect, but when Yahiko sacrificed himself he was forced to embrace the general view of right and wrong, being that righteousness is determined by the victor. He wouldn’t have been able to see past his own views had such deep pain not entered his life.
Woah wtf that's deep
Wow
Very interesting.
That Pain saga, was the reason why I started getting into philosophy and contemplating about the world. Junior year of high school, is where I started to get very introspective about life. Naruto literally helped me discover my philosophical side. Did this happen to anyone else? I hope so, this show literally changes people’s lives.
My philosophical side awakened when Patrick asked ''is mayonaise an instrument?''
Oh yeah. Naruto does that to people man lol
Tai Ezenwa Oh yeah. Naruto does that to people man lol
same. but for politics, I've already realized it since Chuunin exam. Chuunin exam is the same product of Cold War between Capitalist vs Communist
Amir Syarifudin Uchiha That’s a very interesting input, now is it in regards of. The Leaf being a capitalist free market nation? Where I believe the Sand Village didn’t want to trade with anyone else? Or was it with the Sound Village? Please enlighten us man, sounds pretty cool.
Naruto doesn't have villains. Just heroes who have different perspectives of peace
Astroboy Sid madara
Orocimaru
Lord Rahwana Orochimaru was different. You see, he wanted to create a world for himself where immortality would bring peace. It was after much warring that Orochimaru became what he became.
Madara wanted peace but felt that it was possible by creating a new virtual world
@@barry.b.bensonjr He wanted immortality in the world so that nothing would ever die. All the bad things he did was to obtain knowledge on immortality
*PAIN in the English dub has one of the greatest voices in Anime history.*
ON GANGGGG
That`s Troy Baker, one of the most versatile young VAs in the industry!
*Madara
Pain, madara and my opinion I feel like hashirama suited him quite well
Hmm
The three most powerful members of the akutski weren't even evil, they were In a grey area (pain, obito and itachi)
all of them
Take its chi out he was forced and manipulated into that position
MoonChild no he chose to go to be a spy for the village
@@averagesixersfan9778 Itachi wasn't manipulated or forced into anything, he voluntarily averted civil war by killing his clan so long as The 3rd Hokage looked after sasuke and made sure he stayed in the village. If you want to know everything about Itachi, go watch "Itachi's story" in Shippuden. They're filler episodes but are amazing and give you a great perspective of Itachi whilst explaining how the whole killing his whole clan thing happened.
3NigM4 he was given the whie or black decision by Danzo. He said if he didn’t help them they would kill everyone and his brother or he could cooperate and save his brother.
Most anime’s have incredible villains but Pain was just different
Not a villain
Best villain from all anime’s
He was portrayed as villain when we were younger but when you grow up you see he wasn’t evil or bad he was just sad and didn’t want anyone to live through war
Electric- City not a villain hes a hero
Facts
Pain was your favourite villain? Weird
Pain was my favourite hero
Same I've had a rough up bringing so I have an idea of where pains coming from, I can relate a bit. It's true, people don't know what it's like until they experience the same pain.
thismakesnosense he’s relatable to a lot of us
Pain isn't a Hero though. Hero's don't murder the innocent in mass numbers for no apparent reason other than to bring about Destruction.
Conker the Squirrel more of an anti-hero
True, He could be considered a Anti Hero. He possibly considered himself as a Hero, But really wasn't.
This guy sounds like pain fr😂😂
Indeed resembles Pain's English dub.
I thought the same thing when the video started! lol
Lil Basty i thought it was the actual pain lmao
How do we know it’s not Pain🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
No
I just realize
During Kakashi's test gave an example of how brutal the shinobi world can be and if you recall he also gave an example:
"Sakura kill Naruto, or Sasuke dies"
It's was the same exact situation as Konan. Yahiko, and Nagato
"Nagato kill Yahiko, or Konan dies"
:(
Fuuuuuuu
Well, Kakashi learned that from his sensei the 4th Hokage, and Minato learned that from Jiriyah. Its knowledge that have been passed down.
@@horacevu not quite. That's a situation shinobi have to be aware of and train for. How the hell would Jiraiya know that happened to Yahiko if he only found out just moments before his death? Kakashi knows because it happened similarly to him though in this case he killed Rin. That was the test he gave out as an example based on his experience, not Jiraiya's.
@@mintyfresh4855 wtf are you on about? I'm talking about the 2 bells test. It's was pass down from 3rd Hokage to Jiraiya to 4th Hokage to Kakashi to Team 7. You're off topic!
@@dejavu3914 it falls under the same umbrella. The bell test and the "kill Naruto or Sasuke die" all falls under the same Shinobi lessons. I don't know what the other guy was rambling about.
when youre old enough to understand the philosophy of Pain and admires it from the bottom of ur heart.
That's a lot of words to say you're 13-14
Exactly ‘
Only two teams, good team and bad team, atsuki = bad team so gotta hope they lose
It got me into true crime and made me read White Devil by Robert Halloran.
As kid I think naruto is true but as an adult is see truth in pain words. You cannot have peaceful life if you're remain weak. For a country you're needs some nukes.
WW2 really did make people realize the horrors of war. Since WW2, every conflict since has been VERY minuscule in comparison. So in theory, Pain's philosophy does work.
ww2 made people fear nuclear nations, not the horror of war. those who felt the horror of war are no longer here.
But what about the nations without nukes? they're getting ravaged left right and center to this day.
Austin Carleton Well Kishimoto did use World War 2 information as references linking back to Nagato and his alias Pein.
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Sousuke Aizen I guess that means we’re due for another major conflict right?
Dude wars still occur man it's just that we ignore it. One doesn't have to know pain to know peace. Pain mostly leads to revenge causing more pain.
either pain or itachi is THE REALEST PHILOSOPHERS
coreyon davis itachi
Itachi's understanding of the world was waaay more advanced and he truly is an Hero
Young Rich He is. Though, I did like Pain's way of showing what happens.
Young Rich Because he never wanted to rule anything. He just wanted every nation to fight and then experience the same Pain he had went through. Then true peace would occur.
I feel what your saying man. It's another great example by Kishimoto that a human simply cant attain true peace no matter how wise he is..
3:26 "once everyone has felt the same pain, they wouldnt want to experience same thing again which creates peace"
DAMN THATS DEEP
The sad thing is, Nagato was right. Peace can't reach out to every crying and hungry child who's been hurt by others, but fear can. The fear of being hurt or losing those that matter to you is stronger than you know
@@JoeFanik Nagato is wrong. Fear can temporarily enforce peace, but relies on leverage that once lost, sets of a domino of retribution that breeds war as well. The best example of this, is Nagato himself, who transformed into Pain because of that fear.
@@SuperHongTay yep. More accurately, neither side is right
That's how MAD doctrine of nuclear weapons work, the fear of these weapons destroying the whole world prevents every nation possessing it from starting a world war.
Out of ALL the characters in the series besides Naruto, Pain has the biggest impact in my life. Naruto could have easily been rated lower without Pain.
Pain was the reason I’m so interested in philosophy now
And that’s 📠 🗣🗣🗣
@@mannymax7543 pathetic, dude , that’s not philosophy, that’s not how philosophy works , it’s a kids show
@@wwe12153 bro💀 u do know that if someone raps on your profile picture they see comments of u just talking shit right?💀 nobodies gonna fall for the trolling
@@AntdaGreat lol
U better hurry up and become a voice actor
Augustine Junior Facts
I know his voice is strangely calming.
@@hyacinthgrows kinda chalky
I can see him playing a villain or an anti hero
Or maybe an CZcamsr with 80k subscriber.
OH wait he's already achieved that
"Even the right thing for you could be wrong to others".
"For you, that is justice."
Pain is the most badass character ever ...and he's highly underrated
Naruto is just too overpowered like in war arc , "oh naruto arrived at all battlefields " , " oh it's still not kurama's full power", "oh 50% kurama is woth minato ,
Other tales-- are we joke in this show?
@@DeepakSharma-tz2kz so true and if you think about it it has always been that way Gara had the 1 tail. and Naturo beat him with Summoning justu granted he had help just like he had help against pain and Nagato. He was not gonna win against him 1v1 and i think the story teller wanted us to know that. This forced Naturo to realize that rage and aggression would not win and he needed to strategized which is why he generally wanted to know what happen to cause all of this. Afterwards he realized that he was a fool and need to come up with a new strategy to do what seemed impossible.
Naruto did not win vs Pain yes he defeated him but that was only with LOTs of help. And while everyone loves this Arc the most many also underestimate how powerful pain actually was in the grand scheme because of the 4th war.
Until you got the 10 tail Jinchūriki Pain was still the most powerful character in the show.
Itachi was probably the 2nd most powerful.
Tobi might be the 3rd as its hard to say i say tobi is weaker mostly because he Loses to many people in the show.
If not tobi id put the shark guy as the 3rd as it takes Guy to power up to very painful gates to beat him. Kinda makeing him the joke character but he was very powerful.
The Kages while very powerful them self's they almost always have backup. Team wise they are stronger then any of the akatsuki aside Pain of course. Pain needed Sage toads/ Sage naruto/ Big boss toads/ and 9tails to be defeated. And that was a Pain who recklessly used a lot of his power beforehand! to wipe out the village by him self. Also a pain who could of still fought.
Whos the most powerful character in Naruto again? YA...
He's not underrated at all lol. Zabuza is underrated.
Do you know what underrated means
@@FlyingMonkey208 i think he is, i have a lot of anime friends, when asked whose their favorite in Naruto...not one out a hundred says pain, they mostly says Kakashi, Sasuke and itachi
Man boruto needs more hero’s like this but those villains have no goal they are true evil
It’ll show up eventually
nah they are childish Villians they don't have justifications or motivations for their goals, why they do evil things ? the answer simply we are evil IMO that some stupid writing even evil people in real life have their justifications.
neji hiashi not always. Some people do evil for the sake of it. Ever heard of The Joker? And what about Orochimaru? You need to get out of the cave my man
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 well no one do evil things for the sake of it you're delusional, for the joker i don't know his character, for orochimaru he seeks immortality because he wants to master all justus that's his justification and maybe being a nihilist.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 the Joker doing crazy for crazys sake is a big part of his character its an essential part of who he is. the villains in Boruto lack that depth, its just "I AM BIG BAD" and thats it. No awesome back story or moral grey area. And Orochimaru has TONS of plans and reasons, he super methodical. He literally gives Sasuke the Curse Mark and says "in time, he will come to me" he's the OPPOSITE of evil for evils sake.
Pain's Philosophy in my opinion is right,if every one expierences the same pain then only then we will be able to understand each other,and stop wars and violence in the world
but how violence is a part of nature if no one knows about the other than it go back to square one to me war apart of us a part of nature all nature has to say is fuck you make it worst some were else and back to square one again
Elvijs WW2 & nukes on Japan are the proofs
Nah that wouldn't work violence brings more violence it would never bring peace people would always seek revenge unfortunately pain himself made that excuse because he wanted to seek revenge from this world he just wanted everyone to feel the pain he felt even tho his pain wasn't the greatest he thought it was the greatest his friends death turned him into a mentally ill person
U have a serious problemb
MT MT To counter the revenge part, that’s why Pain wanted to make the Ten Tails. It’s a weapon he would’ve used to crush any vengeance brewing in resistances. That’s how I understood it, at least. I do agree with that part. Nobody will rebel against something like that unless they have a plan, but if Pain killed Naruto, who was probably one of the strongest Shinobi alive at that point, all hope would’ve died with him and it would’ve been immensely easy to reform the Ten Tails at that point.
“There are no villains cackling and rubbing their hands in glee as they contemplate their evil deeds. There are only people with problems, struggling to solve them.” Ben Bova
nope
Shinra Tensei What are you talking about He couldn't even capture nine tails in chibaku tensai Sasuke who had no experience with rinegan captured all none bijuu
@@muhammadzeagham4092 Its called plot armour lol, if Pain captured the 9 tails, then the anime would have ended.
Girei No Pain couldn't have captured nine tails because Obito clearly told Sakura that rinegan shows it's true power only when it's original owner is using it
@@muhammadzeagham4092 Lol. Obito was talking about the exclusive abilities of the Rinnegan, like Madara's limbo or Sasuke's teleportation.
That has nothing to do with why Pain couldn't capture the nine tails.
“If you do not understand another’s pain, you cannot understand them. But just because you know another person’s pain does not mean you can come to an agreement.”
I’m sure that’s not verbatim how the quote goes, but I remember the message clearly. It changed everything for me.
“For those who share the same pain, there can be no hate.”
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Greg thank you!
I agree
Not really
He wasn’t a villain.
He was a Shinobi.
Definitely one of my favourite characters no matter how short his arc was. I wish he got to live to see how the world changed after the war.
You are an idiot
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@@xijinping3317 no you're !
@@thealchemyst6188 his comment makes no sense
@@xijinping3317 How exactly doesn't it?
You must lose in order to gain because life's greatest lessons are learned through PAIN!!
"We're just ordinary men.."
"Who've been driven to seek vengeance in the name of justice.."
"If one comes to call vengeance, justice.."
"Such justice, will only reach further vengeance.."
"and.. trigger a vicious cycle of hatred.."
"So we believe that human beings simply cannot understand each other and.. they never will.."
This is true
You strive for your justice, and I strive for mine
“Justice will prevail you say?!? Of course it will because those who stand at the top determine what’s wrong and right! This very place is a neutral ground!”
The brutality of vengeance is limited by and against those who wronged you. If you exceed that limit by taking it your rage upon those who did nothing to you, then you have only caused injustice and madness.
If I had to paraphrase all of that, it's that vengeance always has a reason behind it's actions. Injustice does not need one.
"Right now we live in such a cycle. I have seen the past and can foretell our future. It is the same as our history..."
A slight misunderstanding of Pain's game plan. He didn't plan on unleashing the tailed beast to destroy the villages. With the tailed beasts he planned on developing nation-ending caliber techniques and give these techniques to the respective villages. All had a means of ending the others and he knew eventually someone would use it. The entire world would have seen the horrors of war and seek lasting peace afterwards just like Nagato did.
His plan was basicly what the 4th shinobi war acomplished. Union and peace over shared suffering. Well guess Nagato was right afterall.
So basically how we have nuclear bombs in the real world, someone is destined to use one sooner or later
xOG4L Gaming Possible. If every nation had equal millitary strengh no country would be raided or becomes a battlefield in that sense.
Weird thing is harashima already did this
Trafalgar Water D. Law it was union and peace FROM shared pain. What you said was inceedibly stupid
It’s like they say
“To feel true happiness you must feel pain”
When the world is at the worst of its chaos, everyone on the planet will work together to end it or they will split into two sides and quickly decay.
@@darxis8822 Well I already know that humans are stupid so they will probably chose the latter
Pains story was the most beautiful, I felt connected to his perspective in so many ways. Best hero ever 💜.
Same bro 🤍
Itachi’s?
Pain is a hero. He maintained peace in the war ridden Hidden Rain. He was a great leader.
No he really wasn't a hero.
@@Salik96 He was realistical.
@@henrysmusic5212 He wasn't stfu how is destroying Villegas gonna solve problems?
@@Salik96 you are a kid now what to say
This anime is kinda too egoistic on Naruto. I wish they showed Rain willage after Pain's and Konan's deaths. Most probably it would be target of attacks again and be ruined.
What a legend... Wait what
@Two3hree Smoke no u
@sasuke u can't even beat ur brother. Shut up nigga
@ѕαѕυкє I'll touch u once and your soul is gone
TitanicCLuB don’t say the fucking n word
@Shizu kage ❶ cringe
When man opened his mind to the idea of love we also opened our minds to hate. Mothers love their children and hate anyone who would harm them, Soldiers love their country and hate those who threaten it, Nagato loved his best friend Yahiko and his ideas of peace in a time of war and pain but when the world took Yahiko away, Nagato began to hate, not just the man who killed Yahiko but he hated everyone, he realized the world would not listen to reason, he realized that people would only stop fighting when they felt the pain that it cause him and so many others, he decided that the only option was to make them feel the pain and suffering that he felt the night his friend was killed in cold blood, thus he created the six paths of pain using Yahiko‘s body and the body’s of the ninja that Jiraiya had killed, and with this he started by taking over the hidden mist village and formed a plan to force others to feel his pain even if it meant killing those that had helped him and cared for him because he had lost the most important thing in his life, he lost his love and his hate grew because of it
Wow
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King Angel Couldn’t say it in a better way
Pain: Someone who wanted a peaceful world as possible
Madara: Someone who wanted to make peace by making a new world
Naruto: someone who wanted to make peace by friendship
Pain and Madara had something in common attempting to stop boruto from happening
Way to rewrite someone's top comment lol
@@tidepods5506 fr lol 2nd thing I detest the most in this world
I laughed so much
I wish they stopped it
💯😂
Pain is my favourite villain in the Naruto universe because of his philosophy, but also because of his leadership. Pain was terrifying, calculated, menacing and not to mention, he also had the best voice of any character in Naruto dubbed or subbed.
Pain's philosophy is true but how he went about creating that truth for the worl is wrong. Hes an Anti-villian. doing all the wrong things for the right reason.
Joel Ayers Yup. This makes him one of the characters I like to study. Another I like to study is Deidara... Speaking of which, I wonder what caused him to come to the conclusion of art being explosive. Many artists do experience something that creates a unique definition for each person.
The thing is, there is no other ways to do so
Joel Ayers Pain didn't do anything wrong its like a double sided sword people view naruto as the hero because he's village has a great hold of power its like saying rebels are villians but some people will view them as hero's
he tried to make the world experience his pain before he create peace out of selfishness
@@muhannabasalem574 Not out of selfishness, but because he thought, only when they experienced that pain, would they understand, that they never want it again, therefore building a generation of people who despise war. A generation that would probably want the best for their kids(the next generation), therefore teaching them the horrible pain of war, so that they may never start a new. So the reason he wanted everyone to experience that pain was, so that the peace afterwords could last longer(if not forever, if you're an optimist). At least that's what I believe, why he did all this.
Still after all, I think he had the right goal, the right reasons, he knew the current situation(cycle of hatred) better than anyone else, but he tried to solve it the wrong way. Cause if you sacrifice 20 in order to save 200, the relatives and friends of those 20 would suffer the pain of loss, thus creating hatred for the one they believe is responsible for it. And at least one of them will seek vengeance, to create their justice, therefore creating another group of people experiencing the pain of loss. That's the cycle he talked about, that's the cycle he wanted to break, but his way of breaking it was only another layer of that cycle, so without noticing it, Nagato too fueled the cycle of hatred, he so desperately wanted to break.
These are my thoughts on this subject, I'm not saying they're the truth everyone should believe. It's just what I believe.
People are not born villains; but are made them.
tbh i believe every human has evil surpressed, it only takes a certain trauma to bring that out
People aren't born evil neither they are born good. It's the type of life you live.
Soumyadeep Genius in some ways
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 u can choose to be kind
Baby Uchiha most don’t
His voice is deeper than the Mariana trench
Only Voice to Rival his Deepness is Madara
"Either you die a hero or live long enough to become a villain"
Pain and itachi are the best characters in naruto.
Hinata and kid obito rival them imo...kid obito was awesome.....I know its filler but seeing hinata as a good big sister and learning the real reason why her dad chose her sister to be the heir because hinata couldn't strike when she had an opening out of love showing her dad she couldn't be trusted to kill in battle due to emotions and thus wasn't fit to lead for the safety of the clan was interesting and adorable...she basically is for hanabi what itachi was for sasuke ..but hinata was not a prodigy since she didn't like to fight which meant she didn't get pressure or get to live like a heiress training to protect her clan nonstop so instead she strived worked hard enough in her own field to get where she wanted to be and was happy with her regular situation and smiled through the pain of feeling unwanted for being so loving because she found hope in naruto even if that goes lfrom admiration inspiration to full on crush...by caring she got left a tougher life but she excelled in that cause it gave her a goal and dream of her own ...she was innocence ..what she does for naruto 3 times makes me like her even more ..
Cecil Pain and Itachi is a more Complete Character but i think Gaara is amazing Character with a Really good Backstory
Kakashi?
Golden Prodigy better than Obito but Pain and Itachi is in another level
Pain and Obito for me
its hard not to love pain..what he spoke was true about d cycle of hatred.
In Naruto, every villain is a hero in his own story.
Pain quotes are marvelous! Period!
*Orochimaru experimenting on kids in the background*
Pain: "Almighty push!"
Non-Anime fans: Is he giving birth or something?!?!
To a new nation
Gave birth to pain
The saddest part of the world of Naruto is that violence is always inevitable. Even Nagato said that after many years the nations of the world would just use the "Tailed Beast Weapon" to kill one another.
He meant that this will be the final course
He didn’t mean that war will eventually come again after his plan
He just said it will happene again for the the final time
"My pain is far greater than yourrrr!!!
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yours*
*feels his face stretch* NYuhhhh muh pain gratr
who is yourrrr!!!
Pain/Naruto-san nope it’s
My pain is still far greater than yours
Yahiko taking his own life still makes my eyes teary. He was a fantastic person.
pain is one of my favorite characters
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Very well put together
Pains backstory already is deep and sad but you made it next level👍
Pain’s philosophy was so exceptional and greater credit should be given. I feel this philosophy also applies highly in reality when you look at it on a perceptive on how people with a similar rough background easily understand each other cause of how both parties have learnt to value peace, love, loved ones, food, water, shelter etc and this is because we mostly learn the importance of something we were suppose to after we lose it. So with pains philosophy if proved when everyone is faced with the tragedy of war and lose of loved ones then one will know and learn to value the peace they currently have even though it comes in fear.
I mean Gaara said it himself before the 4th war began. "There can be no bad blood between those who have experienced the same pain." So I guess that's what Pain Nagato was after. The words peace and pleasure might not even exist without their opposites.
Pain’s cycle of hatred speech is still one of my favorite scene in the entire show
Pain was such an incredible character and reading this series again made me fall in love with Naruto even more then I initially did.
Naruto is the only show that I can look back on and be like “wow, that really changed me”. That whole cycle of pain stuff really speaks to me every time I think about it. One of the best series ever created.
Sometimes people learn better by experiencing pain than by telling them what to do. Nagato was never a villian he just had the wrong image of how he could create peace due to so much hate and regret he got because of war and the loss of his parents and his best friend yahiko. Nagato is a perfect example that people can change with PAIN.
He is the reason because the war is trash and not bring nothing good
Pain really scared me when I first saw him because he really looks dangerous and at the same time cool and awesome
Until we got to know Madara and Obito, Tendo Pain was easily my favorite.. growing up the way they did, seeing the things they did, then the incident with Yahiko and Nagato. I never saw him as a bad person. He was a product of his environment who eventually took control of his environment for the greater good.
only people who have truly experienced pain and lonliness understand his philosophy and considers it as a viable method.
Or who are nihilistic
I don't stab myself to appreciate not being hurt, nor do I starve myself to appreciate being able to eat. This philosophy also implies crippling somebody (say, purposefully damaging their eyesight, deafening them, numbing their Nervous System, etc.) would make them appreciate life in general. Just like death shouldn't make me value life (instead life itself makes me value life), pain of among the highest calibre shouldn't make me value peace.
Nagato assumed his philosophy was correct because he lost sight of the individual - understandable, considering there were those who worshipped him as a literal deity - thus assumed his experience meant he knew right. Yes, he always asked for alternatives, but you could chalk it up to most people who live in a world like Naruto being rather ill-equipped to talk philosophy (just look at the intelligence of the average Konohagakure citizen...). They'd rather talk competition, profit or otherwise show off, which is an intrinsic part of human nature and thus can't be ignored easily.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674I'm not against you, but nihilistic word kind of discounting Pain's philosophies actually are.
This was an awesome interpretation of Pain’s philosophy on ethics. Thank you for this!
Pain should have been the final villain. Depth, nuance and impact. Pain had all these traits and more. And he had a great voice. Awesome job
“War inflicts death injury and pain on everyone the truth is the precious someone is to us the harder it is for us to accept that they might die sometimes you actually convince yourself there’s no way they could die this naïveté can’t be helped especially with the generation like yours a generation that does not know war you might try to find meaning in war but all there is, is loss and unbearable pain all that senseless death it unleashes a cycle of violence and hatred that never ends war creates only more war”
The truth in that quote is so powerful
Wow these videos are always profound and help me see life on others viewpoints other than my own.
He wasn't a villain but a mear misguided sould, he wasn't wrong he just focused on the wrong emotion. Pain like most things subsides. On the other hand Love would have created a longer effect though it may take longer to aquire the desired effect and the road to reach it would be even harder and ironicaly may even have more pain in it. But in the long wrong I truly believe that would be the superer method to just inflicting pain.
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"Love is the reason why there is pain, When we lose someone precious to us, hate is born. Vengeance is the product of that hate and so death follows. But in death there is only more death. This will give rise to more pains. In this cursed world we live in, it is a cycle of hatred that will not cease. How will you confront this hatred in order to create peace?"
A big flaw in his philosophy, i think, is the fact that once everyone knew pain, at some point they will all be dead and the new generations, the children of the people who knew pain, will again be clueless. And then all of this would need to start again, Pain has again to achieve his goal of teaching everyone what pain is.
Exactly and the wars he creates will only cause momentary peace
It says, the person can not be bad, it's his circumstances which makes him bad!! Pain had become victim of bad circumstances..
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Therefore they are still bad.
But what you're trying to say, is that all "bad" people are actually just really good people in fucked up situations.
I hear ya.
@@DMTInfinity wrong though. Go read Panzram
Damn
i've met people who have gone through a lot of PAIN. A victim of circumstances as you would call them. But that victim can choose weather to become bad or good. Perhaps it's more likely for them to become bad but god gave us free will and so we decide.
@@DerickdeJesus itachi is a good example. Even after being forced to kill his clan for leaf he didn't held grudge against anyone. He kept watching over leaf.
Makes perfect sense
Once EVERYBODY as a mutual understanding the fighting should stop, everybody would have been able to see eye to eye since all of their villages would have got destroyed in the same manner
That cycle of hatred speech was flawless
Great character
“If you don’t share someone’s pain, you will never truly understand them”
~ Nagato Uzumaki AKA Pain.
Pain did teach me a lot as I first watched this arc when I was a high school freshman, that's why Pain is still my favorite anime villain, ironically though I just wrote a paper on the flaws of utilitarianism.
In order to achieve peace, everybody has to experience how real pain feels like...i didnt get his message until couple of days ago even though i rewatched over and over again. But not everybody is willing to give pain to other, just because they dont know how it is. Thats the error pain has in his philosophy. Its true, thats still not a guarantee, but if he causes pain not knowing how the other person feels...then he himself is the exact problem that he wants to solve. He talks about a circle of hate, when in reality, he is the beginning and the end to it...
SupremeSaiyan I like that understanding
Also not everyone will stop after feeling the pain they dealt onto others
They just see reason for revenge and the cycle goes on
Ye but that's not all of pains philosophy and also wants to achieve peace through fear, since people will start to fear him and will start living in peace because they're too afraid of the consequences
Nagato was actually acknowledging this flaw as he pointed out the cycle of hatred. It was as the analysis explained a rather utilitarian choice that through creating you‘ll rather gain real peace than through friendship/optimism which will let themself hurt by evil ppl.
It‘s the only choice possible for Pain to create peace in a realistic manner
War only brings more war
No matter how many times I come back to this video I still enjoy as much as the first time.
I think the point of Nagato's story is that his experience of life told him that people hurt eachother, and when people are hurt they seek vengeance, creating a cycle of hatred. Naruto confirmed Nagato's expected behavior when he desired to get vengeance on Nagato for what he did, perpetuating hatred. But Naruto disproved Pain's philosophy and changed Nagato's mind when Naruto chose to overcome his hatred for Nagato in order to bring about understanding and peace. That's atleast a good chunk of the overall message and meaning.
Characters like Pain and Lelouch are amazing because the amount of character depth.
Pein is my favourite character in the whole naruto universe. Comparing him with Naruto only made them both more interesting. One has given in to despair while the other still has hope. Both wanting the same goal but going about it in different ways. Ultimately Pein helped Naruto mature greatly greatly changing his philosophy slightly to a more realistic one. Pein is absolutely right in saying that we can truly understand each other only when we feel each other's pain. That having felt pain is the greatest motivation to seek peace and to want it for others.
@@gnarlytj8919 in the Japanese dub his name is Pein while in English it's Pain
I like how you handle these videos as an essay. I enjoy other narutubers but before I stumbled upon your channel I had a hard time finding any who expressed their thoughts in a coherent, structured way. You also showed similarities between Naruto and Western historical figures. There's a lot of people who explain the metaphors between Naruto and Japanese culture, which can easily be found on Wikipedia, but few have ever talked about the correlation between the west and this series. Basically: good shit, keep this shit coming.
Pain was right from the beginning.Our world needs somebody like him.
“All shall know pain”
So soothing when pain says it
Damn man You, Pain, Joshua Graham, Uylsses need to sit down and just...idk talk about stuff
Rashad Holloway just reading that gave me chills
Rashad Holloway Lol
That was kinda deep lol
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They were all my favorites
DAMN BRUH TF YOUR VOICE DEEP AF YOU SOUND LIKE PAIN
"War, war never changes."
Ultimately, we must understand that life's greatest lessons are learned through pain. He is absolutely right.
the greatest thing about anime is whether is protagonist , antagonist or any other characters everyone have a story and its own philosophy which hit hard at some level.....🔥🔥🔥🔥❤👍👌✌
Naruto's villains are just broken heroes with twisted experiences.
I saw pain as someone who truly wanted peace for this world and I could understand his philosophy
in this world whether real or imaginary, philosphy is born out of all the experiences he had, whether good or bad. a person who suffered the longest and hardest can become the saviour and a person who never liked war, creates war. so i think that philosphy is born how people take the experiences in his mind.
and naruto proves the point that " a villain is just a broken hero "
He was not truly wrong because of his experience and what he went through. However, much like Kiritsugu. Who wished to be an ally of justice, the ends does not justify the means because you are only adding towards the problem. Rather than coming up with a proper solution. Personally, were it not for plot armor, I feel that Pein should've laughed at Naruto's talk no jutsu, because he was speaking from a very ignorant and foolish stand point. The only reason why he even forgave Pein was because he tied his own story, to theirs. Which he done to several characters on numerous occasions. Pein, Obito and Sasuke are perfect examples. All three have done horrific and unspeakable things to humanity as a whole, destroyed lives, families and the like for their selfish desires and goals. Sure Naruto wanted to talk, but he lost his shit several chapters ago when he believed that Hinata was killed.
He even did the same thing when Orochimaru mentioned Sasuke, in the end he is nothing but talk. Though I do admit that Pein was a very well done and interesting character. Kudos to Kishimoto on that. Just wished his other characters actually had some sort of value or something to make them more realistic. Like the characters from my hero academia.
I agree, mostly with the point of selfishness. While Pain was selfish for the right reason, the execution he had in mind was not the right way of going about it. Nice post.
Well you know, in the end it was the 4th war and the pain caused by "Akatsuki" that actually ended wars between the nations, united them and in the Long run kept a peace going. So Nagato was right all along. Also unlike Sasuke or Obito, Nagatos reasons for killing other Killers and potential revenge Killers was not for his own selfish deiers but for the shared dream of many by archieving peace. And as mentioned before it was pain and war that united the world. Not just peace and love, and talk. And it was this realism that set's Nagato appart from Obito or Sasuke. Because he was actually during a war on a literar battlefield. All his childhood he has seen pain , death , suffering, hunger etc. All the atroceties of war no Child should witness, and that went on with loosing his parents in a brutal way infront of his eyes, accidently killing People and having to deal with that fact. Then going through hunger himself and watch People being all selfish and hoarding Food despite being possibly able to spare a tiny bit. Meeting a Little dog, Konan Yahiko. Getting the shared dream to stop all suffering in the world and end all wars making every Nation equal. Then loosing his dog, getting over it and still go on with his Goal into early adulthood. Still traumatised i assume. Then being so Close to freeing all of Amegakure by allying with Hanzo who abandoned his previous Goal of freeing the rain for power and betrayed them. Ending with Konan almost dying, and Yahiko having to sacrafice himself. Loosing his best friend and the Naruto like Charakter that kept them going. After saving Konan and killing Hanzos People finding out all other Akatsuki members died. Not knowing it was Obito and beliving it was Hano. Etc. He was manipulated into hate yes, but his reasoning did proof right. And he has a realistic way of mentaly growing into this way of thinking. Unlike Obito who wants to execute his plan because Rin died, or Sasuke who wants to destroy an entire Village because some Superiors used his brother.
Trafalgar Water D. Law Well, to be fair, Sasuke had a better mindset on achieving peace than Obito, whereas, Obito wasn't about achieving peace, he was about living in an illusion from reality instead trying to save it, which to means adding fire to the fuel.
Pretty much.
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damm bro that was some deep thought at the end hope you get a million sub soon bro
I cried most watching nagato's story. It was truly heartbreaking
The thing that hurts me in all of this is that in the end, despite all the efforts of our protagonists, despite all that why Naruto, Jiraya and the others fought, In the end Nagato (Pain) was right. After an Ephemeral peace, the cycle of hatred resumes. You can see it in Boruto. And the thing that marks me the most in Pain's words is when he tells Naruto that humans are not the most intelligent creatures in the universe, I never understood what Pain meant at that time, I realize now that he was speaking consciously or unconsciously of Ôtsutsuki.
Ah, when the Unrealesed soundtrack "Burial" has started, this awesome video has become even greater...This is why Naruto villians are one of the best writtens. All this heavy burden they carry, their philosophy, shows us that they are only victims of the cruel ninja world, like many other people thought to be evil in real life. Before we judge someone, we should really look in their past...
Nagato’s goal was to unite the world through pain, even if that meant they hated him.
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Like he said : this world shall know pain !
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Started watching Naruto for fun little did i know how deep this was going to get and how much i would relate with this , this shit taught so much more than school ever did or could 🙌
Due to naruto and some incidents in my life I was finally able to understand people better but still those who haven't experienced pain can not gain the maturity. I'm grateful to pain
The pain ark is 100% my favourite ark in Naruto, There's were too many amazing moments throughout it, pains speech is one of my favourites, Hinata's fight/confession/death? was actually my favourite scene in the show, Naruto vs pain was dope, Naruto almost becoming the nine-tails and meeting his dad was awesome and Pains backstory did a great job at making you see the world through his eyes. Honestly may be my favourite ark in any anime I've watched.