Thankyou very much, Victor, I'm planning to buy the presso for my ultra light salt water game, i know it's a fresh water reel but comes with magseal, and i thought it can be a salt water reel as well, and now i know everything i need. Great review and Great explanation!! Thanks a lot, man
i would get the sister Luvias for saltwater. Or even better Shimano Twinpower. Thats a proper saltwater ultralight. This feels flimsy for saltwater with this tiny knob and many seals removed.
Great video as always. I hate being an enthusiast because I have both reels. I hate to say I disagree but I agree 100%. Keep up the great work on your videos!
I have the airity, luvias 1003, 21 presso, 21 soare xr, abu theta, abu zenon in 1000 size except the soare xr which is 2000s..Although its subjective about how smooth this reel is, you should try the theta, I would say it is a low enertia reel and way better drag sound in all of my daiwa. I was surprised how good this reel is. You have to fished it. The zenon is good but not as smooth as the rest but lighter than the rest. I paired my zenon on the new Eradicator prototype 6 version . Let me say, everything i fished besides this pair seems heavy. Lol. Great video
Some nice reels. Both look to be quality reels. Daiwa reel handles never seem to be broken down in diagram to order individual parts I wish they did. Some nice points brought up about marketing! Thanks Victor!
You Tube Thank you. I was on the fence on which reel to buy. Decided to do a little more research using You Tube. When I found your video and this review. I went ahead and placed my order for the Luvias in 2000 size. I also hit the Subsribe button. Nice to have an unbiased view. Not info from a paid lackey. Keep them coming
if I didnt have this channel, i would probably do that too. Im really upset with all these games, and all the stuff they put in the reels to prevent you from servicing yourself. This reel is really hard to disasseble even without magseal
I used to think bearing count was important, had more expensive Abu Garcia Revo spinning reels. I bought a Shimano Stradic Ci4+FA2500 (only 7 bearings) years ago and realized count doesn't always matter. Quality is what matters.
And sometimes bushing is better option than bearing. I have cheap shimano sienna for 10yrs already, it has plastic bushing inside the anti twist roller which still works perfectly. I just did occational lubricating. The proof that plastic can be excellent solution is that cross wrap gear is some of the high end reels is plastic instead of metal. BR
@@ifishcatfish I bought Legalis LT 3000cxh from 2020 (10425-301 EU market) for my bolognese rod just because of your review. It works smooth and easy even at 6.2 gear ratio. I did not test it on the water yet but looks promising 🙂
its not a technology.. its just a round shape. I dont know what else there is to it. Its really nothing special in my opinion... but it does require a special tool to open, and daiwa refuses to sell this tool to the public
I think it is the material of the spool that makes the click louder. I have changed my Luvias spool with a shallow spool from Daiwa custom project spool for Caldia. The clicks are way louder than the original Luvias spool.
First release of luvias 2020 is made in Japan. After the first release of this model. All are made in china, to cut the cost of manufacturing. You can buy made in Japan 2020 luvias randomly if that store have stock on the first release of luvias. But if he buy the after the first release all are made in china. Luvias airity are all made in Japan.
I find out that daiwa certate is not as smooth as some of the double less expencieve models, but it has zero freeplay, zero gaps and zero parts deterioration over years of usage. So maybe sometimes it is not good to make decision based on cosmetics. I vote for Louvias here, because tractors are greased with tractor grease 😉
The certates a tank.as smooth as it feels(especially the 5000 cause of the bigger handle) I don't feel it was made for that despite the whole line up uses felt drag washers up until the sw variants.
i dont have the zenon but i've never seen abu garcia reel that can compare to a daiwa. I can't see why this one would be different. Its very light though and drag is nice, but i think it will lack in refinement.
Hello, nice review of Presso reel. Can you please suggest what do you prefer between Daiwa Presso reel 1000 or 2000 size or Shimano Soare c2000sspg. Just selling my Vanquish 16’ year. It’s just done its job and is not as good now as it was. Can’t decide now between Presso “luvias” or Soare “vanford” reel. 😅 Thank you 🤝
I honestly cannot pick between these specific reels. Even the colors are the same. They are all amazing. But i think the Soare is cheaper, so i would probably get it for the lower price, but the Presso reels have the lowest resistance of any Daiwa currently and have very consistent quality
Some products are downgraded these days. Dam the accountant's. I think the Shimano Ultegra is going in the right direction with all the upgrades it has now.
it really does. I had to return the spring back to stock, and it still has stronger clicks. But for the life of me i can't see any difference in the shape of the teeth.
@@ifishcatfish Well, as the manufacturer claims, Daiwa’s main pair is made using aluminum milling? And Shimano has a pressed main pair. Possibly made of zinc. Well, a softer material. As a result, Daiwa's main pair should be much more reliable and durable? Or is this not so and they will have almost the same service life?
i don't know where you are getting this information. The manufacturing process is the same, and the material is the same. They are both computer cut aluminum. These gears are of same quality and in shimano Vanford family.
These reel are different. You talked about the external differences only. They have different main gear. Without disassembling the reel, you can see this from the technical characteristics. Attention to the gear ratio
No. The main hear is the same, only different size. To say that its different gear because it is sifferent size is silly. Even if u take 2500 size of the luvias u can find all kinds of sizes in it, depending on whether is high or low gear ratio model. Are those different gears too?
This is a different main gear. Different number of teeth and size. Disassemble the coils and take a look. I didn't talk about another TYPE of gear. So the main gear is different there. Therefore, it would be a mistake to say that these are same reels.
@@volpone2783 i dont know if you are really stupid or just trolling. Go to the daiwa website here: www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/item/reel/spin_rl/luvias20/index.html look at all of the models from size 2500. Every one of them has different size gear with different number of teeth. Are these all different gears?? Its only one gear, in many sizes.
3 seals removed. Every seals daiwa has adds resistance. Shimano's seals do not add resistance. Also i suspect daiwa used true ultralight grease in this reel
Hello and congratulations for the CZcams channel. I would like to share with you my thoughts on the issue of the Daiwa reel models and their names. I think that: 1. in recent years the various daiwa models have lost their specific identity, also due to the transport of technology from the more advanced models to the low-end ones (this process is a very good thing, don't get me wrong); 2. the "LT revolution" helped to flatten the differentiation even more (now on the market there are really, I don't know, 50 models that differ in unnecessary details); 3. the Airity: a 95% chinese Luvias reel; what is it for? Something between the Luvias and the Ballistic; so again, what is it for? 4. at this point Daiwa realized that a new market strategy was needed and a really new reel was needed; 5. the Daiwa strategy: not being able to eliminate the newly launched models from the market (like the useless Airity), and also to restore the differentiation lost over time, Daiwa decided to "transfer" the name of some reels on the body of others so as to make them look like upgraded (like the Luvias Airity) waiting for the new exist, still under development; 6. now the daiwa market podium has been re-established: - the new Exist is born: the synonym of "future" - the Luvias (now Luvias Airity, alias the old Exist) has recovered the unique elegance that distinguished it (especially from the useless Airity) - the Certate (the synonym of power and beauty at the same time) has kept its place. Even if, I must say, that the Certate LT does not have the soul of its predecessor; it seems like a small and shy reel respect the 2016 version (apart from the LT re-sizing...compact body??? on the Certate??? Daiwa, give me power, more power damn!!!), it does not transmit you the brutal force that was perceived with the old one. I believe that even the Certate must rediscover its lost identity and daiwa knows it. Stay healty and congratulations again! Bye bye! Marco
I agree with most of your main points. If daiwa keeps going in this direction it will completely destroy the brand reputation of their entire lineup as everything is getting mixed up. People will lose sensitivity to models and names. No model has reputation any more in my mind. Exist was disgraced, Presso was disgraced, even Luvias was disgraced, because the old Luvias was a special reel, and the new reel has no soul.
Agree with your thoughts here. Especially on the Certate, the previous models had a different feel and reputation of strength/power for its class. 19 Certate is more like an overweight 18 Exist, older models where like little power house reels.
Man they ruined the look of the presso,they real Made the spool look so cheap,the old presso spool is a work of art,even the theory spool looks better then the new presso
@@mandogfish7418 2021 Airity is called luvias airity and made in japan... 2020 luvias is just call luvias and that reel is made in china. ..I think u are confused... yes 2021 luvias airity is the same as old exsist just one bearing less... There is no airity in exisit..Exist is just called Exist
First release of luvias 2020 is made in Japan. After the first release of this model. All are made in china, to cut the cost of manufacturing. You can buy made in Japan 2020 luvias randomly if that store have stock on the first release of luvias. But if he buy the after the first release all are made in china. Luvias airity are all made in Japan.
Shame on Daiwa for this 21 Presso. Really wish they would have kept this a top tier made in Japan reel like the 17 and 14. I would have bought 2. Instead I will buy 0.
Thankyou very much, Victor, I'm planning to buy the presso for my ultra light salt water game, i know it's a fresh water reel but comes with magseal, and i thought it can be a salt water reel as well, and now i know everything i need. Great review and Great explanation!! Thanks a lot, man
i would get the sister Luvias for saltwater. Or even better Shimano Twinpower. Thats a proper saltwater ultralight. This feels flimsy for saltwater with this tiny knob and many seals removed.
Yes! Finally, the review!
I get such a kick out of the line color you have on the presso, such a perfect match!
thank you. I felt the same but thought it was stupid to get so excited for a fishing line color..
Great video as always. I hate being an enthusiast because I have both reels. I hate to say I disagree but I agree 100%. Keep up the great work on your videos!
Excellent video and you are absolutely right about the intentional subterfuge of the Daiwa marketing.
subterfuge - 'deceit used in order to achieve one's goal.' . I just learned something...
Congrats on 10k!
thank you mr Foom! : )
I have the airity, luvias 1003, 21 presso, 21 soare xr, abu theta, abu zenon in 1000 size except the soare xr which is 2000s..Although its subjective about how smooth this reel is, you should try the theta, I would say it is a low enertia reel and way better drag sound in all of my daiwa. I was surprised how good this reel is. You have to fished it. The zenon is good but not as smooth as the rest but lighter than the rest. I paired my zenon on the new Eradicator prototype 6 version . Let me say, everything i fished besides this pair seems heavy. Lol. Great video
Excellent Points as always!
I appreciate that
Some nice reels. Both look to be quality reels. Daiwa reel handles never seem to be broken down in diagram to order individual parts I wish they did. Some nice points brought up about marketing! Thanks Victor!
u can still buy the bearings and shims, but not from them..
Another good review.
I agree the price should be the same but Daiwa knows if they put Presso on it people will buy it.
Excellent review, thank you.
Thank you!!
You Tube Thank you. I was on the fence on which reel to buy. Decided to do a little more research using You Tube. When I found your video and this review. I went ahead and placed my order for the Luvias in 2000 size. I also hit the Subsribe button.
Nice to have an unbiased view. Not info from a paid lackey. Keep them coming
i appreciate that very much! Thank you and see you around!
Awesome review.
In the future though I am sticking with shimano
if I didnt have this channel, i would probably do that too. Im really upset with all these games, and all the stuff they put in the reels to prevent you from servicing yourself. This reel is really hard to disasseble even without magseal
I really enjoyed your video of this and Daiwa presso is a specialized line up for area trout fishing which might tend to cost extra.
thank you
I used to think bearing count was important, had more expensive Abu Garcia Revo spinning reels. I bought a Shimano Stradic Ci4+FA2500 (only 7 bearings) years ago and realized count doesn't always matter. Quality is what matters.
And sometimes bushing is better option than bearing. I have cheap shimano sienna for 10yrs already, it has plastic bushing inside the anti twist roller which still works perfectly. I just did occational lubricating. The proof that plastic can be excellent solution is that cross wrap gear is some of the high end reels is plastic instead of metal. BR
@@milosstevanovic6718 All I my Revo's have been sold. Still have all Shimanos, Ci4+FA2500, Ci4+FB2500, and new Stradic FL2500S (JDM)
even in this presso the locomotive gear is plastic
i find the cheap daiwas much better value and more honest and no games played. Legalis LT is still unbeatable under 100$
@@ifishcatfish I bought Legalis LT 3000cxh from 2020 (10425-301 EU market) for my bolognese rod just because of your review. It works smooth and easy even at 6.2 gear ratio. I did not test it on the water yet but looks promising 🙂
Big ups ..great ..thank u
Great video Victor. I was looking at the Presso but I don't really think it's the best way to go anymore..
wait for the Limited!
Great video! Will you make a video on the MQ technology they are adding to most of their reels?
its not a technology.. its just a round shape. I dont know what else there is to it. Its really nothing special in my opinion... but it does require a special tool to open, and daiwa refuses to sell this tool to the public
I think it is the material of the spool that makes the click louder. I have changed my Luvias spool with a shallow spool from Daiwa custom project spool for Caldia. The clicks are way louder than the original Luvias spool.
Yes, thats it i think
First release of luvias 2020 is made in Japan. After the first release of this model. All are made in china, to cut the cost of manufacturing. You can buy made in Japan 2020 luvias randomly if that store have stock on the first release of luvias. But if he buy the after the first release all are made in china. Luvias airity are all made in Japan.
Luvias Airity is not Luvias but Exist. Exist will forever be mane only in Japan
Gorgeous image. Crazy to think of a reel as sexy but those things just look right. Kind of like when engineering meets art.
Glad someone else appreciates that. This is probably the prettiest picture I have taken.
I loved this review, IMO it would sound awesome if you updated the title to the "2021 Daiwa Chinese Luvias" 😆😉
it does say Luvias in parenthesis
Hi mate. It is true that the newer luvias are manufactured in china
I find out that daiwa certate is not as smooth as some of the double less expencieve models, but it has zero freeplay, zero gaps and zero parts deterioration over years of usage. So maybe sometimes it is not good to make decision based on cosmetics. I vote for Louvias here, because tractors are greased with tractor grease 😉
Most people would prefer my Luvias
The certates a tank.as smooth as it feels(especially the 5000 cause of the bigger handle) I don't feel it was made for that despite the whole line up uses felt drag washers up until the sw variants.
Hi Mate! Very usefull video like all the others. Thank you. Can you compare the Abu Garcia Zenon with this Daiwa Presso?
i dont have the zenon but i've never seen abu garcia reel that can compare to a daiwa. I can't see why this one would be different. Its very light though and drag is nice, but i think it will lack in refinement.
What I like about the Presso is the line you put on love the color mate, what line are they ?
Sunline Machine Gun mono. I highly recommend it for float fishing
@@ifishcatfish 😀sound like killer, thanks you sir👍👍👍✌think it;ll be great for gar fishing.
Great video. What you may said about daiwa presso Lt vs daiwa airity?
Thnx!
in 1000 size i prefer presso. In bigger sizes i would prefer airity even if presso had bigger sizes
.Daiwa should have standard QC for product, doesn’t matter where is the product made, but labour cost
labor cost. Japanese labor is very expensive
Hello, nice review of Presso reel. Can you please suggest what do you prefer between Daiwa Presso reel 1000 or 2000 size or Shimano Soare c2000sspg. Just selling my Vanquish 16’ year. It’s just done its job and is not as good now as it was. Can’t decide now between Presso “luvias” or Soare “vanford” reel. 😅 Thank you 🤝
I honestly cannot pick between these specific reels. Even the colors are the same. They are all amazing. But i think the Soare is cheaper, so i would probably get it for the lower price, but the Presso reels have the lowest resistance of any Daiwa currently and have very consistent quality
@@ifishcatfish ok, got it, thank you for the answer 👍🤝 Need to think 🤔😅
Some products are downgraded these days. Dam the accountant's. I think the Shimano Ultegra is going in the right direction with all the upgrades it has now.
Hi Bobby
The presso sounds like it has more power to the click on the drag
it really does. I had to return the spring back to stock, and it still has stronger clicks. But for the life of me i can't see any difference in the shape of the teeth.
Try out Ray's fishing rod ultralight everything about it is perfect
looks a little heavy though .. and these guides are funny looking. I still want to try them because they pretty, if someone sends me one.
@@ifishcatfish is like medium heavy and fast tip but ultralight I just pull in a couple 3 lbs bass it's strong for ultralight
Friend, is it true that a milled pair has a much longer life than a Shimano pressed pair?
Or is it marketing?
I don't understand this. Google translate did not do a good job
@@ifishcatfish Well, as the manufacturer claims, Daiwa’s main pair is made using aluminum milling?
And Shimano has a pressed main pair. Possibly made of zinc. Well, a softer material.
As a result, Daiwa's main pair should be much more reliable and durable?
Or is this not so and they will have almost the same service life?
i don't know where you are getting this information. The manufacturing process is the same, and the material is the same. They are both computer cut aluminum. These gears are of same quality and in shimano Vanford family.
Do you know what the difference is between Daiwa airity LT 2020 and the 2021 Luvias airity?
no, that is a europe-only reel and i haven't seen it. We buy reels from here or from Japan, but not from europe..
what lb line test do you use for 2000S reel ?
2 lb for jigging, and 4 lb for float fishing
These reel are different. You talked about the external differences only. They have different main gear. Without disassembling the reel, you can see this from the technical characteristics. Attention to the gear ratio
No. The main hear is the same, only different size. To say that its different gear because it is sifferent size is silly. Even if u take 2500 size of the luvias u can find all kinds of sizes in it, depending on whether is high or low gear ratio model. Are those different gears too?
This is a different main gear. Different number of teeth and size. Disassemble the coils and take a look. I didn't talk about another TYPE of gear. So the main gear is different there. Therefore, it would be a mistake to say that these are same reels.
@@volpone2783 i dont know if you are really stupid or just trolling. Go to the daiwa website here: www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/item/reel/spin_rl/luvias20/index.html
look at all of the models from size 2500. Every one of them has different size gear with different number of teeth. Are these all different gears?? Its only one gear, in many sizes.
Presso and luvias is the same reel with a different name?
in there you shall find your answer
Would it be any good in the saltwater?
No
right.. doesn't have any seals
hi I would like to buy a caldia 2021 mq , I would like your opinion. thank you.
i have a review of that reel
Link. Thanks
If you’re going for the presso just pay a little more for the exist JR aka luvias airity
better reel than this mechanically, but resistance more
@@ifishcatfish I wonder what improves the resistance in this reel. As the Finesse custom airity is essentially an exist FW
3 seals removed. Every seals daiwa has adds resistance. Shimano's seals do not add resistance. Also i suspect daiwa used true ultralight grease in this reel
@@ifishcatfish oh I thought those seals were also removed on the finesse custom. That explains it
what fishing line is on that
it looks good, doesn't it! Sunline machinegun monofilament. I replaced it because it was too thick, but i had to put it for the color
Hello and congratulations for the CZcams channel. I would like to share with you my thoughts on the issue of the Daiwa reel models and their names. I think that:
1. in recent years the various daiwa models have lost their specific identity, also due to the transport of technology from the more advanced models to the low-end ones (this process is a very good thing, don't get me wrong);
2. the "LT revolution" helped to flatten the differentiation even more (now on the market there are really, I don't know, 50 models that differ in unnecessary details);
3. the Airity: a 95% chinese Luvias reel; what is it for? Something between the Luvias and the Ballistic; so again, what is it for?
4. at this point Daiwa realized that a new market strategy was needed and a really new reel was needed;
5. the Daiwa strategy: not being able to eliminate the newly launched models from the market (like the useless Airity), and also to restore the differentiation lost over time, Daiwa decided to "transfer" the name of some reels on the body of others so as to make them look like upgraded (like the Luvias Airity) waiting for the new exist, still under development;
6. now the daiwa market podium has been re-established:
- the new Exist is born: the synonym of "future"
- the Luvias (now Luvias Airity, alias the old Exist) has recovered the unique elegance that distinguished it (especially from the useless Airity)
- the Certate (the synonym of power and beauty at the same time) has kept its place.
Even if, I must say, that the Certate LT does not have the soul of its predecessor; it seems like a small and shy reel respect the 2016 version (apart from the LT re-sizing...compact body??? on the Certate??? Daiwa, give me power, more power damn!!!), it does not transmit you the brutal force that was perceived with the old one. I believe that even the Certate must rediscover its lost identity and daiwa knows it.
Stay healty and congratulations again! Bye bye!
Marco
I agree with most of your main points. If daiwa keeps going in this direction it will completely destroy the brand reputation of their entire lineup as everything is getting mixed up. People will lose sensitivity to models and names. No model has reputation any more in my mind. Exist was disgraced, Presso was disgraced, even Luvias was disgraced, because the old Luvias was a special reel, and the new reel has no soul.
Agree with your thoughts here.
Especially on the Certate, the previous models had a different feel and reputation of strength/power for its class. 19 Certate is more like an overweight 18 Exist, older models where like little power house reels.
Man they ruined the look of the presso,they real Made the spool look so cheap,the old presso spool is a work of art,even the theory spool looks better then the new presso
I never analyzed that reel because its old and im lazy, but i suspect the theory is a watered down Presso LTD. Sounds the same
All my new Luvias from Digi are made in China.
really? Good to know..
I have 3 and all mine are made in japan ... luvias airity.. urs is not lauvias airity..urs old luvias !!!
@@rtuneloft Airity is not a Luvias. Airity is a Exist. I have 2 and made in Japan.
@@mandogfish7418 2021 Airity is called luvias airity and made in japan... 2020 luvias is just call luvias and that reel is made in china. ..I think u are confused... yes 2021 luvias airity is the same as old exsist just one bearing less... There is no airity in exisit..Exist is just called Exist
First release of luvias 2020 is made in Japan. After the first release of this model. All are made in china, to cut the cost of manufacturing. You can buy made in Japan 2020 luvias randomly if that store have stock on the first release of luvias. But if he buy the after the first release all are made in china. Luvias airity are all made in Japan.
Soare XR all the way
i just received that. Review in a few weeks
@@ifishcatfish cant wait for that
Diawa is only hurting their consumer confidence with the name games they have been playing.
Little by little the cat will get out of the bag. Then its very hard to win trust back
Why did they make the ugliest spool or all time on a great reel?
i wish i knew
Shame on Daiwa for this 21 Presso. Really wish they would have kept this a top tier made in Japan reel like the 17 and 14. I would have bought 2. Instead I will buy 0.
Wait for the Limited. There will be a limited which will be the real thing
@@ifishcatfish Nice: I hope so
I want 25 cents for every thumbs up.
How about 1 dogecoin