FANTANO DEMOLISHED DESTINY FAN IN DEBATE
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- Anthony Fantano debates a Destiny fan about separating the art from the artist and they got into the weeds
0:00 Intro
0:54 Jordan Peterson
11:52 "De-platforming Doesn't Work"
25:06 Why Kick Exists
36:43 Destiny
Original Vid: • Separate the Art from ...
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Edited by: / willbarker__
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"I like Jordan Peterson as a psychologist" Bro, has he been your psychologist? Have you read his master thesis? No, you like Jordan Peterson as a self-help guru. Don't lie to yourself.
I think he refers to Petersons approach in psychology, which would be more holistic and contemporary on the impact of our changing society on the human psyche, and using technology ie youtube to disseminate his knowledge. But he could also be thinking more about Peterson as a public figure and masking that as an objective appreciation of his knowledge of psychology itself.
Premise: I have not read any of JP works.
I have seen Peterson speak about psychology in such a way that he shows he either doesn't understand or doesn't believe in the foundational assumptions needed to build the framework through which psychology operates. He has several times stated that the real world has little influence on the psyche, that people are born one way and can't change, unless a higher power (God) directly intervenes. You can find this on some talk about smoking and addictions if I remember correctly. The premise of psychology is about the opposite: that the psyche is something that interacts and is interacted with by the world and society, and it's a constantly changing and evolving thing.
Second point: he also speaks a lot about fields he knows nothing about, and makes remarks about them and the methods used while admitting having an extremely poor maths background. For example, on Joe Rogan about climate change, he disparages climate models "because they don't consider every variable" and "they are uncertain", but both of those things are part of what allows statistics to exist and consequently allow for psychology to be a science. If you didn't have variable selection or ways to investigate complex stuff, and to quantify how much you know about the stuff, psychology would be no different from astrology or Facebook personality tests. The fact that he either shows 0 understanding of the maths his own field relies on or that he pretends not to understand them to further his own agenda is a big indicator that he is not a scientist in any capacity, and all his work should be heavily scrutinized and probably avoided due to intellectual honesty or/and reliability concerns.
He mantles himself with the coat of a scientist to gain authority, but then disparages all the tools that make a scientist one.
@@Anankin12 What a well worded post and completely enjoyable read. Thank you so much for your insight and breakdown.
@Anakin12 I remember hearing him recommend Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche as one of his favourite books, and that made me realise that the man either doesn't understand what he's reading, or just reads whatever messages he wants. Nietzsche opposed dichotomous morality as a fixed and rigid concept, and that's Peterson's entire schtick (just replace Good & Evil with Order & Chaos).
Also, "It doesn't consider every variable" has to be the laziest response to research I've ever heard. You literally cannot account for *every* variable, but if you measure enough and they all point in the same direction, you just might have causality.
@@Anankin12I believe that was in the debate between him and Matt Dillahunty where he told Matt that it was only with God's help Matt could quit smoking
it's so funny the argument boiled down to "I should be able to say what I want without other people saying what they want in response"
“I should say whatever I want and not have my fee-fees hurt”
-a child acting like a grown adult
Right? It's just the top caste expressing their desire to remain the top caste. Humans are comfort creatures; if the entire world has been catered to you during your whole upbrining, you're gonna keep acting that way unless someone else does something about it ✊
Homie just wants to scream the n word always
"Words should not have consequences!"
that and the streamer kid on fantano's show is just way too invested in the lore LOL
The conversation was effectively what happens when a university graduate 30-something chats with their cousin at a family function
Dear God, you should receive a portion of the CPM from this video from the times I'm about to rewatch this in that context ALONE.
If more university graduate 30-somethings were able to achieve the financial stability required to have this level of patience with their cousins at risk of falling down the rabbit-hole, a lot of societal problems would have been nipped in the bud
This is a grade A+ comment. See also that one friend you have who isn't all that smart but has managed to carve out a decent living and recently decided that 'woke people', socialists and immigrants are the source of all their personal problems.
This is why I say America needs a reverse-Pol Pot. We need to bring the rural reactionaries into the cities and teach them to be civilized, socially conscious people. Give them a dose of real society.
he’s actually 40 something now
It interesting, these guys claim Peterson helped them to become more disciplined and stoic, but when people criticise him they get so offended and entitled.
That's something I realise a lot for people supposedly 'helped' by JP. It seems to get them into a mindset where they can happily ignore or even weaponise their previous faults or ignorance and that may help them achieve the goals they had but it doesn't really improve them as a person usually.
Like Hasan himself basically said something to the effect of 'some level of delusion is helpful in achieving things because you doubt less and do more' and I think that's all JP provides and the goals they're striving towards aren't usually 'good' ones, just beneficial to them.
@@SMURFwitAM21 PLENTY. That's besides the point. Your comparison here doesn't work because it's not actually talking about the OP's statement. A comparison for the OPs statement would be how people criticise people's faith in that they end up acting contrary to said faith and said faith isn't based on what they claim it is.
In reality, he's just there to reinforce their status as top dogs on the capitalist food chain. He's teaching them that having money means you're a good person, not having money is a symptom of being a bad person, and if anyone ever challenges your authority by calling you racist or sexist for example, they're just evil.
Always the Jordan Peterson’s fan to uphold their human idol into some god idol comparing him to religion whenever anybody criticize Jordan Peterson for his flaws. It’s not shit slinging at this point if Jordan Peterson is still being actual shit.
Milking machine by the Chinese? His Twitter comments being similar to other unhinged undergrads Twitter users?
As Hassan is saying JP self help work is nothing special while it could help anyone also by collateral damage you'll get part of his Nazi propaganda, also validating JP online has nothing to do with the first statement, that's how his "helping work" is indoctrinating young male, is how Joe Rogan and his network of clowns operate
Saying you like jordan peterson as a psychologist is hilarious. “I really loved when he put his client on blast on a national podcast. Hippo or whatever is bullshit!”
LMAO, “hippo” is gold, I won’t forget that one
So, I hate to be that guy, and this is definitely a very common misunderstanding, but technically HIPAA doesn't relate to what you're speaking about. It is related to the sharing and releasing of identifying information between medical providers, like between your doctor and psychologist. What you are thinking of is patient-provider confidentiality which HIPPA does not oversee or govern. ❤
@@dangerxbadger2300 Doesn’t change the hilarity of the comment, especially when you read it in the voice of a koala-brained destiny fan!
@@dangerxbadger2300The misunderstanding of HIPAA is part of the joke.
I'll take Jordan Peterson as a psychologist over Hasan Piker as my entertainer. Hasan's entire fan base is soyboys and cat owning women.
what is even the argument here? that we need to let nazis be mainstream?😂😂😂
The nazis been mainstream for a while, their presence has been normalized by "centrists".
Yep or else kick happens 😂🤣🤣🤣
He seems to think it is possible to, like, make them not say Nazi stuff without banning them. Even though ultimately, banning is the only real consequence a website can offer to people who persistently break rules. No amount of shadow banning or temporary bans will stop someone like Alex Jones or Nick Fuentes because a platform like CZcams or Twitter remains valuable to them up until the moment they are simply banned permanently.
the argument is that fantano needs to seperate the art from the artist, when doing music reviews. which is what fantano could've done if kanye hadn't brought this shit into his music as well. it's disappointing that kanye couldn't have just left his dumb opinions out of his music, so he could have some positive influence on the world
@@andrimatthiasson5718 What songs ended up containing his "opinions"? I didn't bother listening to the album
Only honest libertarian because at least he admitted to knowing nothing about MLK before whitewashing his activism for a shitty point
I dont like this guy at all but wasn’t he correct in that point? I feel like he was just prefacing that he wasn’t an expert
You can't say you don't know much about someone then make that someone defend a position that is not his.
MLK not only never say don't be divisive, hold hand and sing kumbaya. He talk about how white liberal is just as shit as the conservative.
It's like saying I don't know much about fantano but his fav artist is Kanye.
i dont think he even knows what libertarian is, i think he watched a few video essays and bases his politics on that
@@mood1676 He wasnt, look up MLK on the white moderate, or like actually listen to his speeches and read his writings, you’d have to be properly familiar with his work instead of repeating what they told you in school because it was bullshit for the most part
@mood1676 others have clarified on mlk's position, but if you want to read a primary source, I highly reccomend his "letter from birmingham jail". He wrote it after being arrested as the birmingham town council had started cracking down on non violent protests he lead. Its honestly moving stuff and still relevant today
Did he really just say CP on Kick happened because Twitch went “woke”? Absolutely insane
Yeah didn't you know that Twitch created the dark web and 4chan?
The dude was all over the place, bringing up examples for absolutely no reason and when fantano tried coming back to it, he immediately dismissed it as not important and not caring. I really hope Hasan is right and the kid is just young and hopefully gets some guidance soon because these were horrible arguments he was trying to present.
This dudes shortsightedness in this whole conversation just boils down to, "Well, this is my anecdotal experience and reactionary position and if you tell me you don't agree - that's polarizing which is bad and actually akin to Hitler's Germany."
Debate bros are soo violently self centered it's no wonder they always slide back into right leaning idealogies. They are more concerned about seeming "right" in an argument rather than being correct morally/ethically in values. Destiny and debate bros like him are "diet coke leftists". They're all aesthetics - no empathy and internal growth to actually understand and hold onto leftists ideas.
You haven't even tried to watch a single Destiny video, have you? 🤡
I actualy have watched more than one single Destiny video, because a friend of mine watches him and I wanted to see what he is like. One of the Debates I watched was him discussing with a historian about Israel/Palestine. And he LITERALY said "I am not that far with my research yet, but I know just know when I get to the point we are discussing right now I will find out you´re wrong"
No growth, no empathy no nothing
@@ThousandCherryBlossoms
The type of dude that believes every word out of his mouth today but will say completely contradictory shit the next day and believe it wholeheartedly.
It's how they were raised to be. The top caste in a white supremacist regime grows up on the top shelf with everything and everyone catering to them, and being comfort creatures, they're not gonna even bother reflecting on their spot in the hierarchy unless they perceive a threat of change to their material conditions.
Destiny is not even left wing, he just says so, he's more of a right wing liberal. Just watch the video he made with Ben Shabibo.
This guy took FD’s video title, got called out over how stupid his statements were, changed the name of it, and then got his cheeks clapped by Fantano. Awesome turn of events 😂
Lol what was og title?
@@spyczech I’m pretty sure they’re referring to “when you can’t separate the art from the artist” it’s a fantastic video btw
Yeah I love FD but he did NOT invent the phrase "seperate the art from the artist"
Fantano's Peterson impression needs some work. Kind of sounds like Mickey, but instead needs to sound a little more like Kermit. I give it a light 6.
It’s a common issue with Peter. Mickey is the default. You got to get to Kermit in the back of the throat and croak.
"I'm stopping you before you harm yourself because I'm pretty sure self harm is against Twitch TOS" is the hardest bar of 2024 🔥
My soul left my body when he said that 🤣
"I should be able to say that I like Jordan Peterson without any repercussions at all!" Wild.
Yeah no you shouldn't face repercussions however, we will fucking bully you, it's free speech still
Why? Isn't he a psychotherapist or something
not even close
@@hubertmiskowiec897 did you watch the first five minutes of this video before asking this?
I do not like JP in the slightest, but you that fucking daft that you think someone can’t innocently like him. He isn’t satin jesus
Man this guy must get really confused during Italian mafia films when the boss is doing horrible things while petting a cat. On one hand he’s a murderer but on the other he is a lover of cats. 😂
Hahaha don’t show him the vid of Putin snatching the puppy from the guy holding it by the neck as a gift for him. Then holding it gently, dudes head’ll splode.
@@S4Cxattack 😂 😂 Yeah his 🧠 will lock up for a year trying to process that.
watching Hitler footage playing with his German Shepards: 🤯
@@overbeb 😂 😂
Just saw footage of Michael Vick playing with dogs he must be a good guy.
"I like Jordan Peterson as a psychologist" Cause he got hooked on Xanax to cope with his problems, while telling other people to man up.
You a leftist??
JP isn’t a shitty psychologists, just a shitty person
@@mickeycostagain660 anyone with a brain and/or sense of empathy is.
@@crumbtember leftist have selective empathy and throughout history continue to be wrong
Similarly, getting put on Xans in the first place due to severe anxiety for food that HE HIMSELF CAUSED by sticking to an extreme diet for several years that everyone with half a brain was trying to convince him not to do.
The "good" advice Jordan Peterson has said has been said by a myriad of others that don't break down crying while going off into a rant about "wokeism" and "real men". You can read a frikkin Marie Kondo book and get the same advice without all the bs lmao.
12 Rules does not spark joy.
Jordan Peterson fans would never read a book by a woman
@@GetOfflineGetGood much less by an asian woman
I always deeply enjoyed the irony of a man preaching the inherent value of stoicism and claiming men to be order while women are chaos and emotional, meanwhile he can't seem to get through a single interview without bursting into tears of anger and rage bc people disagree with him. 😂
@@liaspooked4980youre unhinged. Hes mainstream
WTF does it mean to “enjoy him as a psychologist”?
He likes JBP reifying the individualistic, social Darwinism perspectives he grew up believing. He may not like the outworking of those perspectives in society (ie. Peterson’s perspective on social issues). But I think he likes the comfort of being told his basic assumptions are true, and he can feel better after pulling himself up a rung on the lobster ladder.
I believe it's what Destiny says which is why his fans repeat it.
@@sarasmith8037Excellent comment. You hit the nail on the head.
He hates the same people that this guy does. Simple.
@@sarasmith8037 yea I think that's the help JP gives most his fans. He helps them recontext their issues brought about by clash in their beliefs and lifestyle to what's seen as 'good' by society in a way they can be comfortable with and therefore move on being them more confidently.
Dude was absolutely struggling to keep up with Fantano.
As a left wing Albertan... I feel that comment on Albertan's being just Snowy Americans. It makes me sad.
Same here. I grow more and more tired of this province by the hour.
Danielle smith literally is guilty of tampering with a court case and ruined our green energy initiative. making this province lose a billion dollars.
it just sucks so much to be here compared to the rest of Canada.
maybe NDP will win again this time hopefully.
I hope you & I will never hear about the "Diagonal Movement" again after this. I saw a video last year or maybe the year before after the trucker rally thing ended by some of those same chuds who were trying to have Alberta secede to join the American South. They even made a flag!
Snow Texas
Socialist scumbag Saskatchewan bloke here. But that comment was hilarious.
I lived in Alberta about 13 years ago, and man, it literally is just the Texas of Canada. It's absolutely wild.
"On the one hand, drunk driving kills hundreds of people every year. On the other hand it also helps a lot of people get to work on time. So it's impossible to say if it's good or bad." -@dril
every time hasan posts a new video I feel like im playing roulette. will it be a silly video that makes me giggle, or will I be sad or irritated after watching it?
lol same!
Tell me you like loli without telling me you like loli .
@@eekthecat9933actual npc
@@ace3589 profile pic speaks volumes
@@ace3589 profile pic speaks volumes
Why does he think that his freedom of speech implies that other people's criticisms on his likings isn't free speech and should be curbed? What?
Exactly. These people are incredibly stupid.
because he's oblivious and only cares about any given topic to the extent to which it might help himself and only himself, typical Destiny fan lmao
If you are a Destiny fan you need to wake up and smell that coffee
Okay horse boy .
@@eekthecat9933 I'm gonna touch u
Amen
What coffee. That either biden or Trump will win the election...
Cope harder
12 rules for life is a bog standard self help book. These books do not save ones life this kid saves his own and I find it depressing that he doesn't give himself the credit he deserves and just puts it on a man who did nothing.
Especially when the 12 rules are not even Peterson’s own ideas and are regurgitated from long dead philosophers.
Idk man. Just say cool glad he inspired you to do your thing, sucks he can’t get trans cock out of his head and maybe should get off Twitter and move on.
Lot of people were inspired by him but don’t like his politics, we shouldn’t deter these people to join our ranks.
Reminds me of when people cite religious texts for self improvement. It's like sure, I'm glad you're feeling better, but let's not stand around here and claim the Scientology boat cultist is why you got your life together
Hasans mentions Destiny once a year and hes obsessed and jealous even though Destiny has a million clickbait videos about Hasan
Yeah I checked the channel of destiny and it's wild how often he uses hasan as clickbait
@@urgeboat9348pretty easy to explain. Hasan has been scoring continuous Ls for almost a consecutive year now, and his continuous decay is so funny to look at.
@@Drigallski maybe destiny and his unhinged fans should get a hobby
@@Drigallskibro you under every comment defending Destiny. I swear his fans don’t know shame.
@@bimblor7945 at least destiny himself has a hobby. He's working his ass off canvassing for the next election with a bunch of other people
yep, theyre already here. anytime destiny gets mentioned his simps- i mean cultists- no uh i mean fans act like if they dont pwotect daddy destiny he'll explode in flames.
It's a perfect match, a divorced father parenting a bunch of fatherless anti-social weirdos.
They brigade the hell out of various reddit subs and haven't stopped crying about hasan for years
@hannibalb8276 fr though, i dont even try to keep up with destiny drama, it just comes to you in the form of destiny trying to insert himself everywhere and the fans that never stop whining, and ofc other youtubers showing their experience getting harassed. then i look up "hasanabi destiny" on youtube after someone claims hasan wont stop talking about destiny and i just see video after video by destiny drama-baiting about hasan.
@alb8276 honestly them brigading the h3 sub was the funniest shit, they got dunked on so hard they were crying about h3 subs being meanie bobinies that we brainwashed for like 2 months
This guys argument when applied to CP:
“Oh but some CP still exists, so there might as well not be any laws or restrictions against banning CP. why even try!? MUH”, actual brain rot, even if yes I am kind of straw manning, but not really.
24:35 Holy shit great minds think alike 💪
You should let mainstream platforms have a little bit of CP as a treat so that it doesn't move to other platforms with less rules and get out of hand. You know, a reasonable person's argument ... :|
why do debatelords always end up talking about cp?
DEBATE PEDOPHILES!!!!!
omg such debate pervs, right guys
Because of their debate everything way of life they inevitably reach the pinnacle of that, namely debating shit that is horrid.
If Twitch loosened all their TOS so that the Kik people weren't getting booted to a different service, we'd still have Kik, it would just be called Twitch.
Same logic as "More weeds are gonna grow, no point to pulling the big ones up"
The modern progressive power-opener: "I just think maybe you should read different books."
If you're debating a destiny fan you need to ask them to read.
Except none of them read. Destiny himself can barely make it through wikipedia entries
@@hannibalb8276 buuuuut this one does, so all the extra CAPZLOC DESTROYED in the title, and protestations of illiteracy are beginning to look like a bit of theater.
Jordan Peterson is a moron, but he has enough sense to advise his targets to take material steps toward their goals as he brainwashes them.
When was the last time Hasan advised his millions followers to get off their asses? When has he covered a protest, or a strike that wasn't already so wildly popular that he benefitted more than the strike did?
I seen that dude wear a coat once. He talks. That's all he does. And he makes watching strangers talk about politics seem fun and productive, rather than an utter waste of time.
Terminal progressive passive-ism has arrived. It's all days of bootlicking and nights of team-sport-style political spectatorism.
@@hannibalb8276 implying any of there streamer mfs read anything except chat 😭
@@dant3175 uh dude. You're kinda super heated about this, or at least it seems like it? Everything ok?
Destiny, famously against transphobia, as he wishes on stream that Keffals "joins the 41%". Yeah dude, super moderate and a trans ally.
That's because that Keffals chick is genuinely a psychopath.
@@ThousandCherryBlossomsI don't like keffals either, that doesn't justify being transphobic. How can you not grasp that?
NotBroihon
Kefflels peddles drugs to kids.
incredibly based Destiny take
@@vcbot7ew
Anthony came to my alma mater's campus for a Q&A yesterday, he was so nice and cool and genuine.
That's so cool 😮
Most soyboy shit I've read.
1:03 I love that in the ~6 seconds between Fantano saying JP is close to losing his practicing license and the Destiny goober saying JP's book "helped him", it never dawns on said goober to self-reflect or investigate why JP is widely considered to be a dishonest hack.
pangea02
Because jp was targeted for his political beliefs?
@@GoldenRedderIt's true. The Canadian government wants to keep their Penis milking factories under wraps.
His self help and the reason hes losing his license are completely unrelated. I hate JP but what you said makes no sense
It never dawns your goober ass that he lost his license over nothing to do with his practice. If Jordan Peterson didn't get global recognition for going against their agenda they wouldn't give two fucks about him.
He's so eager to be on the defensive that he wont even listen to a complete thought
This video makes me hate destiny more.
do you actually know who Destiny is, or just watch Hasan's narration?
@@DrigallskiDestiny is obsessed with Hasan. Ofc we know who he is lol
@@mrmagik6490 a comment like this definitely says to me you do not have a single clue who Destiny is. Or even of Destiny's and Hasan's past together. Or have watched more than clips of his stream.
@@Drigallski no dude, pretty much everyone does. You guys just have to jump in front a bus for him at any moment we criticize how shit of a person he's been.
@@cpvidscenteral give me an exact criticism
Destiny gonna be biiiiiiiggggg mad about this lol
he already saw it.. he listened to it for like 3 minutes, laughed and moved on w the stream
@@ghostrecon3834 suuure guy
@@benjamingillispie5614 i mean it’s literally in the vod if you wanna see for yourself bud 💀🤷🏽♂️
@@ghostrecon3834 ok hate watcher
he's right though lmaoo wtf is wrong with you?
@@benjamingillispie5614
smartest destiny fan
I’ve found the best two questions to always follow-up people saying JP helped them are the following:
1. Is the self help JP is giving exclusive to him? Like is no one else giving the same self help advice or can you get the same advice elsewhere?
2. How did you discover JP and why did you choose to buy his book in the first place?
The 2nd question almost always reveals people’s real feelings about JP and how they don’t just look to him for his self help. They were attracted to him because of some controversial statements he made and view him as an authority figure now which is why they choose to get the generic self help advice he slings only from him.
1. Bachelor level lectures are usually just summarizing what another person wrote so I wouldn’t say it was unique advice. I wouldn’t say that he’s giving self help advice for the most part either. The titles of the chapters in his one book have self help advice titles but they’re not actually about that. Like his “clean your room” is about nihilism and he talks about the Columbine shooters. I feel like people are meming when they say he just told people to clean their room and then other people just repeat.
2. And I discovered him in the CZcams suggestions way before his bill c16 thing. I watched his Lion King and Pinnochio videos and Jung videos because I was playing Persona 4. I bought the book because there was a lot of discourse around it. I think most people were just watching him because he was telling them to not off themselves. Of course that all went off the rails as he went on. But when I was going through tragedy I thought about that nurse he quoted in one of his lectures who said “youre stronger than it is terrible” every day.
Great points.
The guy is wrong about JP obvs and way overrated how insightful his ideas are, but I did watch the original video for context and he says that his cousin gave him the JP book as a gift so he didn't buy the book himself.
@maztergamer1016 this goes to the point of not encouraging the spread or platforming people like JP. His cousin was trying to pull him into the manosphere with the soft stuff, 12 Rules.
@@jurneymetatron6871 Certainly
this is like groundhog day. "I get what your saying but i disagree and its not fair for oyu to disagree with me" after fantano has a well formed argument.
Seeing the guy try to get into the position of a falsely accused victim time and time again just makes me want to slam my head into a desk
people will give a hot take and then be upset that other people disagree🙄
this kid is so embarrassing
I don’t watch fantano like that but I watched some full VODS of some album reviews that were posted by this guy duplee a few years ago, that was his whole channel last I saw it and now I see this lol wtf happened here?
I hate self help shit because it's all just shit everyone knows. The reason I don't work out like I should isn't because I don't know it will make me feel better, I don't work out like I should because it fucking sucks.
Sounds like you're a narcissist, you should assume there is always something worth learning doesn't matter if it's your enemy or a bigot.
@@FreeFlocka-pk6hv I actively learned less while reading your comment
@@SqueebzEZIf your a proud fatass just say it, stop sounding like a poor victim.
The cringiest thing is Destiny fans literally try to emulate the way he speaks. Like how pathetic could they get.
They could be hasan fans and be even more pathetic
The Editor was very kind, Hasan was stunlocked on this for a while
one day, I will just make a channel where I just edit all the stunlocks, I feel like that could be great content to the creation complex
but not today because I don't know how or where to begin
:P
@@mhurglewatching nothing but Hasan stunlocks from a channel called mhurgle, sign me up 🤝
@@Chloe-dv9nsYou people have to be NPC's or some shit
@@Chloe-dv9nsDo you not find this level of idolization a bit weird?
@@FreeFlocka-pk6hv bro chill lol it's called a joke ? There's a reason mhurgle and I are watching Hasan's CZcams content: bc it is without stunlock
"I think Self harm is against Twitch TOS" fucking hell that was a good point.
40 minutes in this coverage I was just about to click off from cause I got tired of how dumb the presented debate was, and then this was how I learned that Destiny was banned. Fucking hilarious
Banned from what?
Twitch@@La-PetitMort
Thank you Hasan for the long video🙏🙏
Typical Destiny fan: "I don't understand you criticizing me. I'm confused. Can we slowly define words for an hour instead?"
Typical hasan fan
Being a destiny fan has the same effect on the brain as drinking led contaminated water
*Hassan. Destiny isn’t the one cowering away from a debate. Hassan created a whole entire new term just to evade discourse.
@@sb_2378 keep coping weirdo 😂😂 Destiny is a fraud. Ben Shapiro took al of that bums juice for debates. He's a gifter and a coward.
You're a Hasan fan saying this? Lol. I guess you think Houthi terrorists are the same as One Piece pirates too
@@za-ir5nifunny how you in another comment talk about "dishonesty"
Hasan's entire fan base is soyboys and cat owners
Destiny went from the guy who shut down Jon Jafari during his neonazi gamer arc, and now he has a fanbase that loves transphobic weirdos. Makes me wonder what Destiny is saying for there to be such a huge overlap between himself and a bigot?
Uh, a bunch of bigoted stuff? Destiny has been known as the slur guy for a long time
New lore just dropped I guess lmao
his fanbase dont hate trans people and destiny has constantly debated trans issues against conservatives, wtf are you actually talking about.
@@nozersdestiny literally got himself banned from twitch for calling trans people subhuman monsters, lmao
@@hannibalb8276 ??? He got banned because he was debating against trans ppl playing sports. If he thinks they are subhuman why would he constantly defend them and argue for their side. He disagreed on one thing on the trans issue and now he’s against them. Like what. Thing is destiny has done way more for trans people than anyone else in this political streamer space. Hasan has legitimately attacked a trans person for the most mild criticism of him saying he wishes their life is as horrible as it is everyday. Like wtf
Idk if it’s more embarrassing to be a Destiny fan or say Jordan Peterson helped you out.
Try being a tankie...pretty weird
@@TheStreetZ89 Who here is a tankie? 😂
Your mom, Hasan, and his support
@@TheStreetZ89 I don't think you know what a tankie is. 😂
Probably saying that you get your political views from Hasan
The whole “oh but his book helped me so the 99.9999999% of the insane shit he says should be ignored” is so funny cuz the “good stuff” is shit that like yout parents told you at 7 years old, and even then, he rarely ever talks about those surface level advice anymore, its mostly getting mad at elmo now
The book also includes *a lot* of emotional abuse.
This really shows the cognitive dissonance that comes from having "polarization is inherently bad" as one of your main beliefs.
i have been out of touch too long, i thought he was a music critic
LOL so did I!
He embarked on a socialist arc a few years ago and pops up from time to time to pick fights here and there
This all happened due to Fantano refusing to give Kanye's new release a real review.
Peterson is a hack and laughing stock in his own field, though...
@dant3175 Whatever makes you feel better, buddy. 😂
@dant3175 Why would I want to waste my time rebutting some random Peterson lover on youtube? If you've actually looked into Peterson and still support him, then you're a lost cause. 😂
@@dant3175 If you say so. 😂
@@dant3175 If a scientist in any field has you believing that they are the singular “good one” that does not speak well of them or you. That speaks of you following a charlatan.
There is a reason we respect consensus within different fields, because the chance of 1000 subject matter experts being wrong is less than the chance of 1 subject matter expert being wrong. Stop trying to coat your it support for JP with the scientific charades, you like him because he supports your worldview, wether that is within his views of psychology or his political views I do not care to find out.
"I should be able to say XYZ"
is a euphemism for
"I shouldn't have to be challenged on my beliefs"
YES YOU SHOULD.
YOU'RE CHALLENGING OTHER PEOPLE'S BELIEFS
weak.
Fantano is talking to a actual melon lol
If “clean your room” saved your life then all you are telling me is that you don’t listen to your mum who likely said the same thing
Kid's making excuses. He likes and agrees with all of Peterson's ideas even the weirdest and most hateful ones. He knows this is problematic and he feels shitty about it and doesn't want anyone to make him feel the consequences of having terrible opinions. Free speech includes the ability to criticize bad ideas.
Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong tbh but my experience has been.... well Shakespeare said it well right? "The lady doth protest too much, me thinks."
JP will help you about as much as drinking a liter of crude oil.
He’s right in the sense that Twitch’s rules created Kik, and therefore allow a site to exist where bad people can flock to watch even worse people stream. Buuuuut the alternative is to allow those people to stay on twitch and allow kids to have an even more direct line to harmful extremist views.
Only way to stop hate speech, inciting violence and exposure of minors to gambling is government intervention, which unfortunately is something that isn’t likely to happen. Having the main avenues for children to access content, such as twitch and CZcams, maintain rules against these things is the second best solution
I tried reading JP real early on but the mf kept calling me a lobster
12 rules for life is no different than any other self help book. I love people who see k help and seek to better themselves, but don't come acting like 12 rules for life is this revolutionary bible for misguided youngsters. You know who else is a great physiologist following that logic? My mom she also told me to clean my damn room, should I put her on a pedestal as a great psychologist for that? I simply cannot understand why people act like Peterson brings anything new to the table, ANYTHING new. The only reason someone would put Peterson on a pedestal is because of his shitty world views.
The Destiny fan fails at trying to frame Jordan's book as psychology books, so they are not viewed as pseudoscience self help.
bro that guy fantano debated is so embarrassing wtf💀💀
Fantano's face @ 25:12 says it all 😆
destiny fans seething in the comments within an hour of upload :^) 21:43 25:50
even funnier that theyre embarrassed to admit theyre his fans and are coming here directly from his subreddit
@@lileaux951"I'm not a fan of his, I just make identical arguments as him."
@@dropyourself"I'm not his fan, i'm just copying and pasting the line of dialouge i've been fed and told to mass spam in his comments" you guys aren't fooling anyone, please find healthier hobbies
@@lileaux951 I agree with you
They got tired of brigading lsf on reddit and are looking for more places to cry about hasan
fantano cooked that man like crazy💀
I used to be a huge destiny fan until he opened his mouth on middle eastern geopolitics and started d riding israel. Also his community is very anti arab/islamaphobic
I disagree with alot of what hassan has to say but he has really good geopolítical takes
correction: Hasan has good takes on Palestine, a lot of his other geopolitical takes are kind of dogshit lol
@@lookatdemijipers I think he has good takes on US foreign policy and thats like already 50% of geopolitics😂 but hes decent on russia/ukraine but he d rides china cause he still likes to play dress up as a marxist. I swear if he dropped the marxist act bs he would be a respectable commentator.
I love this guy. “I don’t like the aggression” should we be nice to yahtzees?
So we can’t take these people down because people will replace them? So we let them run rampant? This guy is making arguments without thinking them through.
And you are making comments without thinking it through.
Because confidence wins debates, just say shit very loud, fast and with no shred of doubt. Talk in affirmation. When cornered divert the attention to other points or hyper focus on small details and NEVER concede anything.
Destiny/Vaush fans having a debate without bringing up CP challenge: Impossible.
Ofcourse a destiny fan would be so stupid
Imagine a Hasan fan
Everyone receives judgment on some level for what they enjoy. Everyone. But what he likes causes people to *send sigh and eye roll emojis*. The horrrorrrrrr.
Good on Anthony for handling that guy with kid gloves, he didn't even seem to understand his own arguments.
True this kid was so unprepared
Every Destiny fan tries to debate and mimic Destiny, but suck at it. And Destiny is hardly someone to want to emulate.
you got a pedo in your favorite channels list lol
The Peterpan fan just dug until he hit magma.
the biggest part of this for me is that they’re dickriding over an album full of unfinished and sometimes just bad songs with only 1 or 2 being passable
dude jordan peterson got on twitter like a 12 year old middle schooler and thought it necessary to bash a plus sized woman for being nice and thik saying she wasn't sexy
and that my friends is the summary of Jordan Peterson's intelligence
forget all the alcolides and preachy college professor monologues the guy got on twitter like a child , why would any adult ever say this man is an intelligent role model or philosopher
@@dant3175 You sure are spending a lot of time and replies defending JP for someone who supposedly does not support him
@@dant3175 I think this comes from a fundamental disagrement on how much "deeper points" he has made, I am of the opinion that he simply has not contributed anything noteworthy to the fields of psychology or self help that would warrant his praise. Anything he has said that is of value has been said better by other people who are not as openly bigoted as he is.
That is what I think many other peoples on the lefts postions is aswell, he has not done enough outside of being a bigot for that to overshadow that most of his support just comes from bigots.
But that is just my analysis/opinion. But I can understand why if you personally think he has made serious contributions to those two fields that might affect your opinion on the matter.
Ironically fantano sounds like vaush
His tone was insufferable so … ya basically vaush
Anthony didn't lie, he just used a Henry James level of long sentence.
Jordan Peterson's book is absurdly awful as a Self-Help book except for people who grew up in Christian Fundamentalist homes, & enjoy being dragged back into it.
man, melon is really well spoken, love his eloquence:)
I’m shocked at how measured this debate between two internet guys is compared to some televised debates we’ve seen Hasan react to recently. It’s weird that ad homs aren’t immediately being used. 😂
Kick exists not because of Twitch having "woke" policies. It exists because Twitch was going to ban gambling streams and they needed a place to market crypto gambling to kids. For Kick it was about gambling and that's it.
Homie said we should be progressive enough to regress to legalizing CP. What a weird time.
25:15 bro was seeing his point crumble down in real time but refused to admit defeat
The amount of cooking in this video is crazy
"Jordan Peterson's book helped me".
I beg to differ
This guy seems to think that there is some way websites can moderate extremists without the the threat of banning as a consequence. Banning is the only substantive consequence websites have to offer. Everything else amounts to little more than finger wagging and warning shots leading up to the ultimate consequence of removal from the website.
I feel like the best thing to do in a lot of these moments is to just be like “maybe i didn’t put a lot of thought into this” so the dialogue becomes a conversation rather than a debate with two dudes shouting at each other. Duplee would’ve been better off just saying “damn I’m not sure if this point communicated what i thought it did” instead of doubling down. Cause what’s the worst that can happen? People saying you concede? It’s better than looking like a dumbass completely detached from reality.
Am I stating the obvious? Do people realize that the reason JP called his book "12 rules for Life" was so that he could cash in on the 12-step grift.
whats up with all the porn bots
The sex bots really came through in the comments
Me trying to fix a bullet wound: "you know that bullet wound wrote a book I personally admire"
I'm sure most of us roll our eyes when we see someone was DESTROYED or DEMOLISHED in a debate, but this was not oversold. That was kind of hard to watch, honestly. He cooked him to perfection, and then burned him to a crisp.
Search: Chris P Bacon.
20:43 Anthony looking into the camera like 'you aren't making the argument you think you are'
I know I'm officially too old, when I need an urban wiki-pedia to understand these terms.
it's not about age these days, it's about whether or not you're terminally online lol if you can't understand wtf people are talking about on the internet that's probably a good thing, you're just touching an appropriate amount of grass for your mental well being
ive been very aware of jordan peterson for years but i didnt even know he was a psychologist. that should put into perspective how people view him and what he is known for.