This was the STRANGEST GRANADA campaign in EU4...

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  • čas přidán 23. 06. 2022
  • That's right, today we try EU4's hardest start! EU4 GRANADA! Much harder than EU4 Byzantium, we're going to attempt a re-reconquista by fighting off Portugal, Castile and Aragon! Not only that, we have to contend with Morocco and Tunis too! I might've ended up watching my own EU4 Granada guide for this one... yes, I used to make EU4 guides. If you want an EU4 challenge, look no further than trying to restore Andalusia!
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Komentáře • 232

  • @relytical8360
    @relytical8360 Před rokem +219

    Whenever I try playing as Grenada, I can never get the Ottomans to ally me. Whenever I play as Castile, I can never get the Ottomans to NOT ally Grenada.

  • @BobBlevin
    @BobBlevin Před rokem +812

    Fun fact: so people stop letting pretender rebels win, they made it so the pretender's stats are a scam and not accurate. Hope that helps

    • @MahmutHaydut
      @MahmutHaydut Před rokem +84

      @Chris Porter yeah I break to eu4 then started a new campain my son is rebelled his stats are showed more (5 5 6 or something like that) then he becomed 2 1 3

    • @kristapskrumins5676
      @kristapskrumins5676 Před rokem +106

      I despise paradox

    • @tavajava
      @tavajava Před rokem +78

      I once had a 666 pretender rebel who turned out to be a 112 when my heir was 424

    • @sandiacontomillo
      @sandiacontomillo Před rokem +24

      @@MahmutHaydut politics

    • @justaboutaverage9558
      @justaboutaverage9558 Před rokem +11

      I thought this was well know but I am an intermediate player I guess at 2k hours

  • @averagepeopleproductions7023

    In my first eu4 game, i was castille and granada immediately allied the ottomans, i invaded anyways, and lost

    • @CharlieKellyEsq
      @CharlieKellyEsq Před rokem +52

      you were clearly not a seasoned eu4 player. A really good player simply alt-f4 and poof!!! They are really good.

    • @Pichu-zm9qk
      @Pichu-zm9qk Před rokem +3

      I had that happen to me one time but I just waited for the ottomans to attack someone and then full occupied granada till free 100% war score was even able to take some shit from ottomans though the peace deal since there armies got stuck in Italy

    • @averagepeopleproductions7023
      @averagepeopleproductions7023 Před rokem +1

      @@Pichu-zm9qk i had never played eu4 before, all my paradox experiance was hoi4 and stellaris

    • @Pichu-zm9qk
      @Pichu-zm9qk Před rokem +1

      @@averagepeopleproductions7023 that was like my 4th or 5th game I played Castile 5 times in a row for my first couple of games since they are really easy compared to other nations and it helped me learn the game

    • @Infidi
      @Infidi Před rokem

      @@CharlieKellyEsq wrong, a true seasoned eu4 player would have no cb-ed Byz on Dec 11 and after vassalizing them crippled the Ottomans before even checking Granada's allies

  • @goksir5845
    @goksir5845 Před rokem +241

    They kind of half-assedly removed the ability to spot good pretenders since it made it pretty easy to remove bad rulers. The ruler stats displayed in the rebel screen are no longer accurate. It's dumb that it still shows the stats though since it's literally just a lie now.

    • @MrRoyalOss
      @MrRoyalOss Před rokem +30

      Kinda makes sense? ''Our leader is much better as the current one'' and then it turns out he isnt.

    • @nikolaitregouet
      @nikolaitregouet Před rokem +31

      @@MrRoyalOss yes and no. It’s a game. That you paid money for. It should under no excuse knowingly lie to you. Pdx just hates its players, I’m convinced at this point. How many decisions in CK3 and EU4 don’t tell you that they block or disable other ones? And then the whole campaign is fucked…

    • @michalhruska362
      @michalhruska362 Před rokem

      As far as I know, if you do not kill the pretender army the ruler should have the stats which are mentioned in the screen

    • @jkagent
      @jkagent Před rokem +13

      @@nikolaitregouet "you paid for it, so it should be what you want" Is about the dumbest argument. Instead, you pay for it *because* it is what you want. Also by that logic it should do whatever pdx wants it to do since they paid more to make it.

    • @goksir5845
      @goksir5845 Před rokem +2

      @@michalhruska362 No. He used to. Not anymore, it was changed.

  • @andresalvarez5415
    @andresalvarez5415 Před rokem +32

    Laith: *gets baited by the ai*
    * game crashes mysteriously after a battle*
    You’re just like me

  • @0rnatus698
    @0rnatus698 Před rokem +119

    Granada always seems to beat castile in my games, and I have no idea why. Maybe the Spaniards just feel bad for the Reconquista

    • @brycecohen7691
      @brycecohen7691 Před rokem +2

      That's actually really funny to me since my first main nation was Castille

    • @jarjab2games
      @jarjab2games Před rokem +10

      If you mess with an ais normal game by defeating them in some weird non historical war they start to suck.

    • @fareflight2029
      @fareflight2029 Před rokem +11

      Usually it's because Granada allies Tunis and Morocco and Castile declares on Granada alone. Tunis, Granada, and Morocco combined have a bigger navy and army than Castile.

    • @rami8896
      @rami8896 Před rokem +2

      Lucky. I never see that in my games :(

    • @prestonjones1653
      @prestonjones1653 Před rokem +5

      In mine the Iberian Christians blitz across north africa like it's a Chinese buffet at Christmas.

  • @MrKixoPl
    @MrKixoPl Před rokem +13

    I wonder if he knows about that gold mine in Tafilalt… this is like the second time when he completely ignored it but this time whilst complaining about not having a gold mine LOL. Ggs tho, good vid

  • @Navyman5000
    @Navyman5000 Před rokem +44

    If you have not done it yet, it would be fun to see you attempt to get the "Eat your Greens" achievement

  • @marekkubes4005
    @marekkubes4005 Před rokem +4

    To be honest I like that you show when you Alt+f4, it adds toy our honesty.

  • @packagames1271
    @packagames1271 Před rokem +51

    Granada is easy, you know the really hard start? Naxos or Candar.

    • @suola-sirotin
      @suola-sirotin Před rokem +1

      Candar can get to the caucasus
      If you ask me, navarra or rostov is the most difficult

    • @treyebillups8602
      @treyebillups8602 Před rokem +1

      @@suola-sirotin Karabakh is pretty bad too

    • @nathanhempel5135
      @nathanhempel5135 Před rokem +2

      Beloozero feels like an instant loss

    • @suola-sirotin
      @suola-sirotin Před rokem

      @@nathanhempel5135 rostov is beloozero but harder. The only somewhat consistent strategy is to get poland to rival muscovy, and support independence right as a diplo slot opens from annexing mazovia
      Alternatively you could try same with denmark and holstein

  • @itsglixin1572
    @itsglixin1572 Před rokem +2

    as a hoi4 player, i somewhy love watching this and having no idea what the f are you doing

  • @trevel683
    @trevel683 Před rokem +1

    Good job bro, you'r really good at this game

  • @mark-A-antonius
    @mark-A-antonius Před rokem +37

    hey man loved the vid. is there any chance you are going to make any of these runs into a mini series? the Provence and Prussia runs come to mind, as well as this run right here.

    • @TheSocialStreamers
      @TheSocialStreamers  Před rokem +17

      Some I’m tempted to for sure! Usually it has to be a special sort of campaign, but I never rule it out!

    • @pidde1633
      @pidde1633 Před rokem

      @@TheSocialStreamers would love to see you try converting Europe/the world ro another religion, if you're not going to continue the Hussite one!
      Or even just a WC, we have for the most part only seen your early game strategies, would be fun to see further into a game

    • @prestonjones1653
      @prestonjones1653 Před rokem

      @@pidde1633
      I'd like to see Dithmarschen become the Caliphate

  • @Macloom84
    @Macloom84 Před rokem +1

    Great and funny video! Truly feel your pain.
    I'm kinda conflicted on this. Firstly, I really wanna see Laith continue on this amazing campaign. But on the other hand, I fear this playthrough might be a health issue for him 😛

  • @dr.feelsbad23
    @dr.feelsbad23 Před rokem +1

    Oh man I remember doing this. The sheer euphoria of victory after well over a dozen attempts was something else.

  • @browningcm
    @browningcm Před rokem +7

    Once again asking for longer campaigns!
    Love seeing the starts but I enjoy playing longer campaigns than the first 20 or 30 years..

  • @salehkamal975
    @salehkamal975 Před rokem

    That was amazing. Not many people post videos playing garnada

  • @Galaick
    @Galaick Před rokem +3

    Hell yeah I love Granada, one of my favorite starts. Hope you consider continuing this and restore glorious Al-Andalus

  • @NeoLagna
    @NeoLagna Před rokem +2

    we totally need to get this played in a part 2! he needs to make up to Tunis.

  • @TheAngryTrapezoid
    @TheAngryTrapezoid Před rokem +1

    Would like to see more of this campaign. I expect it might be slightly easier from here?

  • @elgirl19
    @elgirl19 Před rokem +1

    I had a Granada game a few months ago. It was quite relaxing 😌

  • @imdyt8772
    @imdyt8772 Před rokem

    amazing editing

  • @eyyy773
    @eyyy773 Před rokem

    Hey Laith! Loved the video as always. Just wanted to let you know that there is a goldmine in the province of Tafilalt. And if you don’t know, now you know.
    Anyway thank you guys for the great content!
    Btw I’d love a part 2

  • @classiclife7204
    @classiclife7204 Před rokem

    Well, you gotta continue. Looking forward to you breaking down into classic "German kid with keyboard" levels

  • @Z0mgXenu1
    @Z0mgXenu1 Před rokem

    you HAVE to continue this series

  • @joseph_c5914
    @joseph_c5914 Před rokem +1

    Hey I love this longer content but are you going to continue your other stuff. Like annte belum or Prussia?

  • @maxsilva11
    @maxsilva11 Před rokem

    Ooo that was a very satisfying uvular plosive in "Malaqa"

  • @benhayward2597
    @benhayward2597 Před rokem

    What an epic opener.

  • @Conniveo
    @Conniveo Před rokem +1

    Tips for granada umayyad roleplay, after starting the game you guys should get new heir, you either get zirid dynasty, or umayyad dynasty.

  • @harunkuf7055
    @harunkuf7055 Před rokem

    Haha, yes! I like seeing my fav youtuber struggle.

  • @EincoolerName1312
    @EincoolerName1312 Před rokem

    god i love this editor

  • @Old_Harry7
    @Old_Harry7 Před rokem +6

    I'd argue both Byz and Granada being sort of easy as of late since the Byzantine really only need to build some galleys and Granada can easily gain access to an Ottoman alliance which steamrolls the Iberian conquest.
    IMHO one of the hardest start in EU4 is gotta be Mzab: 2 province minor Ibadi nation with raiding focus national ideas with no access to the sea, sandwich between Morocco and Tunis with no economy to speak of, hated by everyone, with no alliances available and constantly at risk of being invaded since even if you are miraculously able to expand in the Magreb region the Iberians and even the Italians are waiting just around the corner.
    I remember Laith did a video on Mzab, would be nice to see a second take on the nation, If I remember correctly there's even an achievement called "an unlikely candidate" which prescribes to form Al Andalus starting from Mzab, Tougurt or Fezan.
    Honourable mentions for "hardest starts" also go to Trebizond, Ryazan and Trent.

    • @that1dud274
      @that1dud274 Před rokem

      personally I find Mzab and Fezzan starts fun. I've started "The third way" runs 3 or 4 times and getting started hasn't been the issue(it's the late game blobing that tires me out).
      Not saying it isn't a hard, just wouldn't consider it impossible.

    • @Old_Harry7
      @Old_Harry7 Před rokem

      @@that1dud274 I've my self mastered the opening and the first 20 years but after that I get blocked either by the Iberians or by the axes Tunis-Ottomans.

    • @that1dud274
      @that1dud274 Před rokem

      @@Old_Harry7 in my experience, Tunis ends up allying one of the other minors, so you can declare war on the minor, annul Tunis's alliance with the Ottomans, and then later come back for a 1v1 against them. Just be aware annul treaties is only 10 years, so you would only be able to take ~45% WS without risking truce length being longer than annul treaties and them just re-allying.
      After you annex Tunis, you can reform them and use their missions to access Sub-Saharan Africa(need Golden Century dlc)

    • @Old_Harry7
      @Old_Harry7 Před rokem

      @@that1dud274 I usually ally Morocco, attack Tlemcen and wait for Tunis to attack the Algerian nation, at that point I vassallyze Tlemcen in order to drag Morocco into a defensive war against Tunis, in the peace deal I usually take forts and the coastline.
      By the end of the first 10 years I found myself in a pretty good position owning the majority of the Magreb area but at that point the alliance with Morocco usually goes into the gutter and the Iberians gang on me, nor the Ottomans or the Mamluks are willing for an alliance and therefore I'm 3 vs 1 with also rebels problems and short on manpower.

  • @thesirryan1356
    @thesirryan1356 Před rokem +3

    As someone who plays Mzab to try and get the Unlikely Candidate achievement, I know this stress well

  • @tommysoliz3064
    @tommysoliz3064 Před rokem

    That was a awesome war

  • @sausageman2620
    @sausageman2620 Před rokem +1

    man honestly it's shocking how sometimes you make this shit look so easy

  • @ozza4496
    @ozza4496 Před rokem +1

    10:03 idk if PDX fixed it but last time I played a campaign where I vassalized a tag that wasn't a co-belligerent and in another war I didn't end up fighting their war.

  • @sir_kyber
    @sir_kyber Před rokem +13

    Next you should play Ardabil. I've found it much more difficult than it used to be since Qara Qoyunlu is now always hostile/domineering.

    • @user-fx3ft3fj1q
      @user-fx3ft3fj1q Před rokem +1

      So karabakh is even more hard

    • @sir_kyber
      @sir_kyber Před rokem +1

      @@user-fx3ft3fj1q Well, with Karabakh, you're at least going to get Qara Qoyunlu's enemies to help you. Ardabil is sandwiched between two people who hate you more than they hate each other.

    • @pidde1633
      @pidde1633 Před rokem

      Ardabil got the achievement to form Persia, right? In that case I was lucky to get it on my first try. But what I struggle with really much is Riga, can't wait for the dlc to arrive, either I'm more screwed than before or it's not s challenge anymore

  • @AURON2401
    @AURON2401 Před rokem +1

    11:30 It was a stackwipe because of the Force, not because of the four.

  • @Danny-wf9fe
    @Danny-wf9fe Před rokem

    11:06 Laith looking like Anakin Skywalker here

  • @thomasl2993
    @thomasl2993 Před rokem

    With pretenders, accepting demands and collapsing to rebels are 2 differents things and IIRC only one of them actually give the predicted number (or atleast that how i managed my granada run 2 patches ago)

  • @CharlieKellyEsq
    @CharlieKellyEsq Před rokem +1

    I see your granada, and I raise you beloozero

  • @serecunoaste3405
    @serecunoaste3405 Před rokem

    Thanks!

  • @rabbit-zl3vw
    @rabbit-zl3vw Před rokem +1

    The granada strat is basically to devour as much sand as possible until you hit the mamluks , laith. Then you attack the europeans.

  • @owllegostopmotion7633

    Poggers we need more

  • @notbryan255
    @notbryan255 Před rokem +3

    as much as I found Albania hard, out of the 3 you mentioned it kind of is the easiest, sure you have little to no focus tree (good bonus though) and you are playing as Albania. you are catholic and it makes getting allies so much easier

  • @goealshafay425
    @goealshafay425 Před rokem

    That's the most chaotic war that have ever seen

  • @inferno_slayer
    @inferno_slayer Před rokem

    Part 2 of this pls

  • @LuukLumens
    @LuukLumens Před rokem

    this video was really funny xD

  • @mcalkis5771
    @mcalkis5771 Před rokem

    Please continue

  • @juanpablomirandavillagomez7112

    I need the second part

  • @griffinhunter3206
    @griffinhunter3206 Před rokem

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CONTINUE

  • @SagaZGZ
    @SagaZGZ Před rokem +9

    Hi! It was really fun watching you suffering while playing. Nice job surviving and expanding!
    Anyway I must confess I don't think Granada is the hardest. A pain? Yes, of course! But the most difficult nation I have found on this game is Naxos. Test It, please, and then cry manly tears with me!! XDD

    • @Rullino32
      @Rullino32 Před rokem

      Naxos has some great ideas which make them both as a great subject and as a successor to Alexander the Great, which makes it better after you beat the Ottomans.

  • @gabrielaldworth7476
    @gabrielaldworth7476 Před rokem +2

    I would have thought Navarra was more difficult but oh well

  • @user-ow5kg3qw5r
    @user-ow5kg3qw5r Před rokem

    Beautiful, Lucky game

  • @VivaChandles
    @VivaChandles Před rokem

    Continue it!!!

  • @willbrooks9486
    @willbrooks9486 Před rokem

    Let’s do it !!!

  • @DatDutchDudeDirk
    @DatDutchDudeDirk Před rokem

    Yes, I'd appreciate more of this suffering.

  • @jarjab2games
    @jarjab2games Před rokem +1

    Tbh the best plan as Grenada is to just exodus to the new world. Take Algeria like you did, then go exploration then go ham in Brazil. Or hard save for exploration whilst on Iberia.

  • @Ally.-
    @Ally.- Před rokem +2

    Naxos Playthrough when?

  • @wpjohn91
    @wpjohn91 Před rokem +1

    It took me about 17 goes over 2 years to get win as Granada.

  • @hologaming6163
    @hologaming6163 Před rokem

    pls continue

  • @carlwheezer1030
    @carlwheezer1030 Před rokem

    1:59 i think we all know this feeling

  • @Alexandru1996_
    @Alexandru1996_ Před rokem

    Oh man, how did i miss this one!
    This Granada game is amazing!
    I won aas Granada some time ago, from the 2nd try.
    My first try i was following a guide, don't remember who from, but after lots of save scum i sayed that's it. So in my 2nd attempt i didn't really do the same but it worked out from first try, no crashes there.
    I did had to crash the game one time...when a huge France joined and declared on me in coalition...an unwinnable fight....
    But other that that i didn't use this tricks. It was prety easy
    If you change the ruller as fast as possible with a good one and have focus on military power... have lvl 4 mil while castile and portugal only have 3...and it is a massacre. Stack wipe after stack wipe. The only requirement is to have as much of Tlemcen as possible in order to have big enough loans.
    And with lots of mercs, everything is possible. I was having around 30k troups. And i was taking around 1 loan per month lol

  • @tigrecito48
    @tigrecito48 Před rokem

    17:25 i think thats the first time ive ever seen ai English land troops in a war other than france.. usually they just sit in england doing nothing

  • @bluerex178
    @bluerex178 Před rokem

    i suggest you continue the reward from al andalusis so worth it

  • @quadcannon
    @quadcannon Před rokem

    "This is such a cursed game."
    It knows. It knows you "crashed".

  • @imspudus
    @imspudus Před rokem

    You should vassalize the tlemceny so you don’t have to core It and you get more force limit

  • @Phoenix27272
    @Phoenix27272 Před rokem

    Navarre is right there ma dude.

  • @viktorkardell9366
    @viktorkardell9366 Před rokem

    Enjoyable to hear an arabic-speaker play in this region to get the proper place names =)

  • @mtrn7504
    @mtrn7504 Před rokem

    continue please

  • @Acciyn
    @Acciyn Před rokem +3

    Granada might be the most difficult European start in EU4? Okay, let us see how you do with Naxos

  • @Aerozona23
    @Aerozona23 Před rokem

    that granada tree is so tiny

  • @mattsteiner8788
    @mattsteiner8788 Před rokem

    Epic Game!

  • @badusername9903
    @badusername9903 Před rokem

    PLEASE finish this deconquista

  • @ottokaare5925
    @ottokaare5925 Před rokem +1

    Bro I was playing as the ottomans today and Granada completely destroyed Castile

  • @PinkMawile
    @PinkMawile Před rokem

    More more!

  • @JonMI6
    @JonMI6 Před rokem

    According to Betteridge’s Law of Headlines, the answer would be “no”…
    But I’ve tried it

  • @KFishproductionII
    @KFishproductionII Před rokem

    you should release leon and asturias as vassals to colonize the new world for you

  • @joshtaylor9626
    @joshtaylor9626 Před rokem

    Laith I don’t want a part 2 this was must have been very painful for you to make

  • @vicdex7387
    @vicdex7387 Před rokem

    Do it. You can do it.

  • @RobertVieriu
    @RobertVieriu Před rokem

    First West Rome and now this, are you ok Laith?

  • @viothesheikah1018
    @viothesheikah1018 Před rokem

    Or, "The One Where Laith finally loses it"

  • @Settinor
    @Settinor Před rokem

    Next Mzab or Pate :D

  • @topproducts9976
    @topproducts9976 Před rokem +2

    13:02 you didnt take the gold mine?

  • @daniellison9182
    @daniellison9182 Před rokem

    This guy reminds me a lot to Call me Kevin

  • @sledgerbro
    @sledgerbro Před rokem

    I'm from tlemcen (Algeria now)
    feels bad how lonely tlemcen is in eu4

  • @bobjohniwanttodie5804

    Granada is the hardest start
    Naxos: am I a joke to you

  • @mr.doogle
    @mr.doogle Před rokem

    That's happen every time to i saw 5-6-4 and got 1-2-0

  • @romanenthusiast906
    @romanenthusiast906 Před rokem

    Just lost a campaign not to castille or portugal but bc i thought i could solo both morocco and tunisia even though i soloed castille and portugal before but it ended up with a bankrupcy i swear granada is the hardest tag

    • @romanenthusiast906
      @romanenthusiast906 Před rokem

      And the fking ottom wont join any of my wars despite having lots of favs and they were huge by the late 14s i cant believe i wasted 4 hours of my time just to lose

  • @lilschlagen
    @lilschlagen Před rokem

    8:04
    You're welcome

  • @tearsofblood8006
    @tearsofblood8006 Před rokem +2

    you are Lieing D: the hardest start is Ayutthayas Vassal "Sukhothai , Ligor" no supporter for independence and Ayyu is a tributary of Ming Ming you alone fight Ayyu and Ming .. not winable :x

  • @Infidi
    @Infidi Před rokem

    the ruler you get from pretender rebels is never the one they tell you will. It's always random.
    p.s. as much as I like playing Granada, it's hell every time. After I got the achievement most of the time if I want to do and Andalusia run I'll just start as Morocco or Castile, no one will be able to tell from lategame screenshots anyways

  • @alimustafaerhal4886
    @alimustafaerhal4886 Před rokem

    more pain

  • @UwU_for_Christ
    @UwU_for_Christ Před rokem

    im so confused why you didnt take the gold mine from morocco?

  • @blue291
    @blue291 Před rokem

    Yes! More pain to you! More! More! More! 🤣

  • @andyduke6119
    @andyduke6119 Před rokem

    Colonial Andalusia!

  • @daddytito917
    @daddytito917 Před rokem

    Yes, and I failed spectacularly every time

  • @Hei102
    @Hei102 Před rokem +2

    That one time i tried granada for the re reconquista achieveemnt i restarted like 10 times finally i had a good run where i didnt die by 1500 eat up all of morocco tunis and half of iberia and then the rest of castille gets pued by gigachad france who was having an amazing game ... i finally managed to call in ottomans against france and it was an even fight but since i was a World power 7th one but still one while otto and france number 1 and 2 gigachad commonwealth intervened otto litterally did nothing while i was deathwarring france quality while outnumber by 2 so i went 50k over force limit war lasted like 10 years i had no manpower no money looming bankrupty and i had 20% warscore and ottomans peaced out leaving me in a 1v2 so i peaced out took 3 provinces and went bankrupt and decided that this run is not the one unfortunately

  • @jacklovejoy5290
    @jacklovejoy5290 Před rokem +2

    The hardest start is definitely Beloozero, as Red Hawk found out many, many times

    • @haxolotl7
      @haxolotl7 Před rokem

      rostov/yaroslavl are probably harder

    • @haxolotl7
      @haxolotl7 Před rokem

      (and they have unique ideas too so hawk will have to play them lol)

  • @youtubevideo6570
    @youtubevideo6570 Před rokem

    be sure as a Tunisian I feel you /حاسس بيك 😅 / good game / جرينتا grinta بروح بدم bi rouh bi dam hahha