M81 has been the standard Militia Camo of American Militias since the camo was dropped surplus is cheap and available, lots of good gear for it and new gear being developed in M81 ❤
@EDDSkitz I used to live in Western Washington and the district different between the west side of the cascade mountain range and the eastern side with the rain and plants is extremely striking. Multicam can be used for both sides, but it fits the dryer climate and little bit better than the lush always green west side. They truly are two different worlds.
Fed camo gang cause I’m poor and it’s affordable and available. Can’t afford to spend more money for the same product. Some of us have to work for a living.
Should we also stop using "fed" weapons and equipment too because its "based"? Dumbest shit ive ever heard. Use what is best. Who fucking cares who uses it.
I was a marine in the late 70's and I had a pair of pants and a blouse (shirt) that were both M81 but looked totally different when worn together. I loved to wear them for weekly inspection because it drove my lieutenant nuts.
The old ERDL; original Marine cammies. Remember how you had 'winter' and 'summer' patterns, depending on the amount of green and brown in each? I remember the 'season' being specified for wear, to prevent the problem you mention. I liked that much more than the woodland BDUs.
ERDL green dominant (ie M1948) was used in the south near Bien Hoa / Dalat Vietnam Brown dominant was used more in the north past Hue/Nhà Trang….. I got both of them M81 is a larger pattern and slightly different color than the ERDL brown dominant and came into US military service in 1981. I was issued M81 when I joined…..along with the chocolate chips and my desert cammies….the green jungle boots and 3/4 of my issued “782 gear” was from Vietnam. By the time I retired in 2015….we had advanced through so many different patterns it’s unreal.
I was a non-deployed marine in peacetime 1984 and we had this pattern. We had steel pot helmets and a mix of old-school flak jackets and new body armor. The jackets and our field jackets and harness etc. were OD. From what I saw, the OD and M81 tended to adopt the color of whatever dirt, dust, and mud you are humping around in. For your stated purpose, this is a very good idea.
@@A_barrelUkraine shows otherwise with the amount of grenades and arty being dropped. Know a guy over there that practically took. Direct hit from a 105 the angle he was at didn’t get the brunt of the impact but head to toe had about 100 holes in his body from shrapnel
Wrong. Khaki and green will always be the traditional military uniforms associated with authority and martial principles. The oldest uniform the Marine Corps issue is the legendary iconic Service Alphas. I always love the DCU early 2003 the marine uniform DCU with the old Alice and 782 gear, the marines where actually starting to integrate the new woodland camo scene while they still were using DCU those are some of the best uniforms. USMC Vet so I may be biased
@@duffelbagdrag I love woodland but I'm adopting more camo patterns in my life mainly blue camouflage,grey digital,eventually t block camouflage,tactical black and olive,and browns,and will adopt snow camo eventually
I like the idea of M81 as a civilian camouflage. However, those of us in the southwest could really use an m81 arid color scheme. Because its really only green down here for about 2 weeks in the spring.
If you like M81, you'll love ERDL. M81 was based on it, but it is has smaller shapes and subtler transitions like Multicam without looking like Multicam.
Woodland M81 has always been my favorite. As a kid in the 80s, I use to dress in it head to toe to play capture the flag in the woods with my neighborhood friends.
Echo that for high school paintball in the 80s - out back behind a housing development that had varied terrain. Tons of fun and the camo was usually sold out of large cardboard boxes at guns shows - you had to pick through it to find what would fit :)
In the 90s, with other adventurous classmates and PE teacher we would play manhunt in the palmetto woods near the school down in Florida. Gilly suits were popular too, but we mainly had Woodland. and what other random stuff we got from the Goodwill. Years later in high school JROTC, we had an after school program named Raiders. We all had M 81 Woodland camouflage BTU uniforms. Originally they had named it, Rangers, but later changed it to Raiders. Was Army JROTC. Over a decade later, I have no idea if that program is still a thing or what uniforms they might be issuing now. The boots were the old jungle boots. Fun times!
I did the same, growing up in the early 2000’s. With my Glock-ish airsoft gun and plastic Bowie knife on my hip. Some of the kids didn’t like to play with me because, instead of going for the flag, I would hide by my team’s flag, and sneak up behind them and poke them in the back with the knife 😂
kteagle3 you aren’t the only one! I’m an 80’s kid too and anything M81 made up my seemingly daily attire in those days. Boy Scout trips war games, camping, and hunting. I still try to use it nowadays for deer and bear hunting.
As an infantry paratrooper with th 82nd in the latw 70's and early 80's m81 was our issued pattern and has always been my favorite. As you stated, it was darker than the patterns of today, and it blended really well with the terrian across the U.S. . I still pefer it than any other pattern. 😊
This is really appreciated. I never understood why other manufacturers would have options for black and multicam black, ranger green and OD, but rarely an M81 or even multicam tropic option.
Black is used a lot for professional services. Whether it's EP, building or bank security... camo would look very unprofessional in those settings. I'm not knocking camo, but can you see six different "guards" kitted-out in camo in a high-security place of business, Executive Protection w/up armored Escalades, etc? They could be the best trained in the world, but it would look like they were wearing something they dragged home from a deployment. The bottom line is that body armor isn't always for outdoor or non-urban environments. (And as I mentioned above, I live in SE WI... the colors here change weekly... if I have to rattle can, I keep all the colors that might fit for that week, even winter with snow on the ground you might want half white and half dark brown to move along trees. Stay Safe!
Good to have a black carrier with black pouches but then have an M81 chest rig or something with mix n match pouches if you go out in the woods. Reminds me i forgot to order M81 shoulder pads the other day 😆
Those specialty patterns are only made in limited choices of materials. So even if gear manufacturers wanted to make, say a pair of gloves in MC Black, well they only have 50/50 Nyco or 100% cotton. Neither one is a choice they would make gloves in. So they only make T-shirts or pants in MC Black because that's all the material they have to choose from. I make gear and order lots of fabric. The gear makers are beholden to the big weavers. "If you want to sell roast beef, you gotta have roast beef!" - Bobby Cohen
Served in the Navy during the last couple of years during the transition from woodlands to blueberries (worst uniform ever). Thank god I was an EXW sailor and was part of one of the few commands who still wore woodlands even after the worldwide uniform phase. It felt rather special and always got looks when you went to train/work with other commands. M81 really does hold a place in my heart. Nice to know more companies I like and respect are pumping these products out!!
@@nathansmith6076 Oh this is funny. The FBI designated "based" as one of the key words of domestic terrorist groups. Blaze media covered it and "red-pilled" linked to violent extremism. Look up "FBI suggests that slang words 'red-pilled' and 'based' are linked to violent extremism"
I’m a 90s kid and back then m81 was readily accessible and cheap at surplus stores. I grew up hunting in it along with a lot of guys in our camp using it. Always loved it just haven’t been able to find it for years. Glad to see many companies starting to use it again
Where I am in Michigan I can use woodland for around 7 months of the year. It’s a beautiful pattern. I have literally watched people wearing it walk into the woods and vanish right before my eyes. Good stuff
My father who served in the late 80's through to 2000 was issued M81 in the Army in it's where I developed my loved for the camo along with the original Ghost Recon game. And I alos love it for not being current issue camo that works well in many environments, especially where I live.
M81 was the standard pattern when I was growing up and then when I was in the Army (87-93) it is very effective for hunting animals and people everywhere in the world except for deserts. Cool stuff.
There have been limited runs of elastic in M-81. If more companies request it do to demand the webbing manufacturer will tool up for it if there is enough ordered. Whiskey Two Four distributed a limited run of M-81 elastic and it was sold out pretty quickly.
At the One Shepherd Leadership Institute, the patterns one wears on alternating days are ranger green/olive drab and m81 woodland, with just gear only being green/drab (no m81 gear) acceptable on either day. For that reason, green and m81 are ones to prioritize if one wants to partake in One Shepherd.
The color inconsistencies you mentioned at the end for m81 goes for many other colors as well such as Coyote and Ranger green. Just depends on the manufacturer and age of the gear
Been a M81 loyalist since Uncle Sugar gave me my wardrobe overhaul all the way back in 1990. It's a much better pattern than most believe. The secret is going over to Altama Boots, and getting your hands on the OD Green Jungle Boots. Altama is the original supplier since the 0's, still supply DoD footwear, and aren't Chinese knockoffs
M81 is actually a skew of its parent pattern, ERDL, of which there are many variants stretching all the way back to experimental patterns tested in Vietnam. Myluchvlike the various multicam skews, there are lots of ERDL/M81/Woodland skews that are all related
M81 is my 'go-to' for a few reasons; -Law enforcement doesn't use it. Can't confuse me for somebody I'm not. And since most others don't use it either, my friends and I can pick each other out easily. (That's, like, SHTF scenarios. Not likely to matter.) -works decent in darker environments. -its what my father wore, it's what I used in Scout Platoon, and I think it's awesome. I've been taught how to use it better than other camos. -it's very green where I live Glad to know others think like me.
I live out in Eastern Nebraska. Do you think that in your opinion, m81 is a good choice or should I go with something more brown?? During the summer I'm sure it would be perfect cuz that is nothing more green than the cornfields
Hell yeah! My dad passed down his BDU's to me, and it's been my favorite since. He was in the army in Germany in the 90s, a rare time of peace. Woodland is the camo pattern of the people.
@doubleutubefan5 yup, I'm in Western Iowa. Works great in some of the trees and in the corn. Especially moving around at dawn and dusk. For Fall, I did get some simple Realtree pattern camo for hunting. It matches everything out here. And for winter, just the winter/snow Realtree cams that fit over my other hunting gear. Which works out because it covers the M81 cold weather gear too.
@@doubleutubefan5 Over on the Eastern side of the Sea of Corn (Indiana), Flektarn works pretty well for 3 out of 4 seasons. Let it take the mud and dirt and it will brown up ok-ish for winter use. The greens can be a bit dark against summer time corn, but is great for fall foliage but we have more trees than you guys.... Honestly if you're worried about brown content M81 should do fine.
My first experience in the Army in the 80's and early 90's was strictly all M81 Woodland BDU's. My favorite color! But I do also like the Marpat, but too many "others" use it!
I was using ATAC FG, but that has become really expensive and hard exact things I need. I have since started to buy Ranger Green because it will fit in for the majority of the year in north Georgia. I really like the M81 Woodland, still have a bunch of it from when I was in the Army in the 90s when we used it. Its one of the best camo patters out there, in my opinion. Especially if you look at the price of equipment. I still have some of the old ALICE rucksacks because they work really well, even today. Its a great design.
@@callsignjoker2686 camo is camo. if youre using camo as a means of IFF than youre already losing. is ghillie a fed camo? is an AR a fed gun? cant run american flag patches since the feds run that. Do the feds run boots? with laces? lmao. train more
Thanks! This is what Wikipedia says about M81... "The U.S. Woodland is a camouflage pattern that was used as the default camouflage pattern issued to the United States Armed Forces from 1981, with the issue of the Battle Dress Uniform, until its replacement in the mid to late 2000s.[1] It is a four color, high contrast disruptive pattern with irregular markings in green, brown, sand and black. It is also known unofficially by its colloquial moniker of 'M81' "
This is awesome. It makes me want to crye when I see companies make M81 stuff for a super limited run, at a super jacked up price, and yet they still continue to make stuff in multicam black.
M81 is excellent camo, it has plenty of advantages over more modern camo patterns. I'll stick with ranger green as I've already spent enought money on gear in RG, but if I decide to go M81 in the future I'll definitely make some purchases from you all. My RG orion setup is still rocking after a couple of years of use.
Big thank you! I’ve always said M81 was the best overall pattern for North America. Plus it’s just old school cool. M81 is always the first thing to fly off the shelves because it’s super popular but I never could understand why vendors don’t offer it more often. Thanks🙏
Woodland camo was what was issued to us standard. Marines, Navy and Army used it. At one Field Training Exercise we did some camo training. All I can say is the woodland pattern was very very effective.
Was issued M81 back in my early career 96-04 in the US ARMY still have them in both summer and winter weights. Always disliked the digital camo pattern that came afterwards. M81 was great camo for wooded regions
One of the best "camouflage" garments I have ever seen was a guy (playing paintball) who was wearing just a plain olive drab (perhaps a bit on the lighter side) sweatshirt. However, he had turned it inside out so the fuzzier part was on the outside. It took me a long time to figure out why it worked so well. Your eyes naturally want to focus on things but with that fuzzy side out, near or far, it appeared blurry being fuzzy. Your eyes just wanted to slide off it and move on to something, anything that it could lock on to. Food for thought.
If you look at the Ukraine conflict, one major issue is the similar uniforms of the two armies. Due to that and the fluid nature of the combat area, they have to resort to wearing bright colored bands to identify friendly forces.
In WW2, American units who were given camo in Europe switched back to green due to significantly higher rates of friendly fire incidents, as they were being confused for Waffen-SS and Fallschirmjagers. Camo = harder for the enemy to see and identify you, but that also applies to friendly forces
love m81, its my type of camo that i always use and im glade to see T.REX is going even more in this direction with this beautiful camo, thank you T.REX!
I totally agree. I have been wearing woodland camo since I was a kid casually. I wear the pants, shirts, and jackets. I cut my pants into shorts and wear those all the damn time. It's been a camo that have never gone out of style in the punk or metal scenes, and has been so widespread that people don't automatically think I am a service member. It's also a badass looking design and the colors are some of my favorite hues and neutrals. BTW I really love my 80s Woodland that is kinda bright green.
M81 is schweet and glad to see it for the being pushed by Trex for the prepared citizen as a non-affiliated pattern unlike multicam, even though multicam is a good pattern it has the double edged existence of being a military and federal law enforcement pattern so I am happy to see M81 being added along with the already great ranger green and other options at Trex
I love m81 but i have to say here in Ct multicam is fantastic for the most part of the year. Our state police apparently have multicam tropic now for the spring season. I don’t think i could justify 2 sets of gear for blending with the fed bois and nonaffiliated. If anything how a citizen sets up their gear will be completely different than agencies.
Very true. In the Southwestern US multicam is really good. I get where they're coming at with the whole thing of ID'ing friend or foe, though, but I think a set of guidelines before shooting would make more sense than just objecting to a camo just because feds use it.
@@andreivaldez2929 this is factual, especially in areas like western Texas, now granted East Texas woods is M81 all day no contest but, western and most of central Texas is MC
@@huntharrell9267 exactly. For the part of TX where I'm at, the OCPs (scorpion W2) work perfectly 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months, M81 works best. Gotta equip to the natural surroundings, not a sense of which camo is less "fed"
M81.. Ranger Green.. and classic OD are the minty drip of the American rifleman. I know a lot of “feds” use ranger green but it blends well in multiple environments including sagebrush
M81 is a great camouflage pattern, but I swear every time I see people using M81 in person it’s usually a hodgepodge of random equipment worn by guys that are at least 50 years old and haven’t run a mile in 2 decades or more and in general don’t look professional or capable. Because of this I guess I have an unfair bias/stigma against the camouflage pattern. I personally fell in love with multicam from the moment I first saw it, and although it is stilted currently used by the military, I will continue to rock it.
I have alwas been fan of 81. If you look at surplus locations you can find some great M81 accessories. I am so glad you guys are coming out with new gear in M81!!! I like to mix it with OD Green.
Some state police utilize M81 as well as some foreign entities that could one day be "peacekeepers". I've thought of the "civilian camouflage" pattern being born out of not using a pattern at all but using the appropriate shades of the base green, brown, sand and black and combining different colored components. Green carrier, sand cumberbund, black mag pouches, brown helmet etc. Even to the point of You and a buddy each buy same make/model of carrier but in different colors and then trade front panels, mix one shoulder strap of each color etc. We're really just talking about breaking up patterns at a reasonable distance and that could work and definitely be distinct upon up close inspection to allow for friendly identification.
Persanally I'd say Vietnam Tiger Stripe is the most based camo. If Trex made a plate carrier in that pattern it would be an instant buy for me, and I'm sure many others too. If you do it just make sure its an authentic looking pattern like Helikon Tex's. Extra based if you make it golden tiger.
Living in the southwest, my gear is coyote brown/tan/fde and it's a good base to add various greens, darker browns, tans, or other color materials. It ends up working very well in the desert
What is the company's thoughts on Tiger Stripe? It also works very well in most of the Southern/woodland US and (to my understanding) isn't in active use by many Mil/LE units nowadays. In aesthetics I say it ranks about on par with M81
P.S. There is a small community that uses "Rhodesian brushstroke". It's one of those "if you know you know" kind of things. It harkens back to the Rhodesian bush wars and the camo pattern is associated with fighting tyranny. Again, if M81 doesn't sell for you, and you are trying to market to the community that is not government employees, Rhodesian and Tiger Stripe are the more popular.
@@SGrosch What about it? You will need to elaborate. Are you suggesting that it is a good camo pattern? Or are you suggesting that it would be a good civilian pattern? Or are you commenting that certain civilian 2A groups have adopted it?
1. thanks for follow up and asking for clarification, poor comms on my part. 2. Is there a desert camo that falls into that category as well, for what you described in your comment? Az= woodland makes sense for up north, but in desert...@@TemplarMedic
@@SGrosch Thats a great question. I have a few military friends that live in the AZ area and I can ask what is popular there? I guess my opinion was based on TRA’s suggesting that the M81 was a good citizen camo pattern because government agencies don’t use it. In the community that I know of, (non-government) there is a fondness for Rhodesian brushstroke because of its historical significance and Tiger Stripe for its “Cool factor”. Again, it’s not really based on “effectiveness” as a hunting pattern as there are myriad commercial patterns that are more effective, kryptek and such. My thoughts are more of a reply to the notion of what to wear so you don’t look like Feds. I would imagine…just guessing here, I don’t know anyone with it…is that the desert tiger stripe would be a great pattern for a dry, tan climate? Looks way cool, And still meet the “requirements” to be a pattern not used by government agencies?
Rhodesia itself was a tyranny for a large portion of it's population. The pattern looks good though. If you go by the 'cool factor', belgian brushstroke and any lizard/tiger stripe pattern are pretty far up there for me.
Still blows my mind how no one's come out with an arid m81 color scheme yet. With the original pattern and an air pattern you pretty much cover the entire Spectrum
6 Color and later 3 Color Desert were issued alongside M81. Mil Spec OCP combines the two. The Green/Brown is very close to mildly faded M81, and the shades of green and tan are similar to 3 Color Desert
My sophomore year of high school, I was a part of a NJROTC unit whose Senior Naval Science Instruction (SNSI) was a Marine Colonel who was a Mustang. He believed in making sure that while we held to the standards of NJROTC, but pushed us harder and sought to get us to do things that would set us apart from other NJROTC units. He arranged for us to do some training evolutions with a local detachment of the Oregon Army National Guard where we got to do MILES training. In the part of Oregon we were in, it was High Desert. Everybody who showed up in camo showed up in Woodland/M81 except me. My dad had served in the military and since I was about the same size as him (if not larger) he gave me his Gulf War choco chip cammies to use. When they were dividing everybody up into the two sides, and giving out assignments, at least 4 or 5 of the ANG soldiers looked at me and went "Smart move kid." Making a decision based upon where you're normally going to be operating is paramount. I'm in Arizona now, and am biased towards coyote/FDE. This move for your company is well appreciated, by myself, simply because it fits the mantra of always be prepared... and that includes your colourways of your equipment. Thank you, Lucas.
If you live in the southeastern US, Flecktarn is a fantastic camouflage pattern, both forest and desert patterns. Desert blends really well in the winter and fall when everything is brown because it doesn’t really snow here
In the french army we use a similar camo the "Centre Europe" which is clearly the best camo I have seen for our territory, way better than the multicam
Is M81 significantly different under NVGs or under Thermals to other patterns? Or is it just down to cloth materials, dyes used? Actually a quick vid comparing differences would be *awesome!* (you do have NODs, Thermals and many uniforms)
I was looking to see if there was a comment like this. I saw a vid by another U-toober last year and he showed how cool you thought you looked larping like an invisible predator right up until the NODS turned on. At which point you looked like a neon sign that said "SHOOT HERE". Camping gear is the same unfortunately. This needs rectification.
There is a great video from S2 Underground showing and discussing camo patterns with ngs. As I recall its mainly depends on the dye being made to keep its color under infrared, if not you end up a solid blob. And not using fabric softeners, which make you very reflective.
I have the M81 and EDRL, just the right camo patterns for the reasons you stated and goes great here in the Appalachian woodlands. Wear my field jacket and or a blouse with jeans, really cool. In warm weather wear the pants with t shirt or some type of button up shirt, good video
Any veteran or active duty questioning this company based on whether or not Lucas served the government wouldve fought for the crown during the revolutionary war
@@Gnolomweb There is an excellent video from S2 Underground about ngs/thermal and camo patterns. As I recall its mainly depends on if the dye is made to keep its color under infrared, if not you end up just a solid color. And not using fabric softeners, which make you very reflective.
I'd go with Pencott, instead. M81 was designed by government committee to reduce costs of buying uniforms. It's way too dark on purpose to account for sun bleaching, allowing for less replacement uniforms. In the end it never worked out.
It’s good to have different eras of M81 if you are going for camouflage anyways, the different shades and patterns help to break up your shape even more.
Wore my dad’s m81 he use to wear in the Marines from his old seabag when I was a pre-teen pretending to play war with my friends with airsoft guns. Larping before larping was a thing.
Summer time M81 is a good choice but with any camouflage seasons change and spring and fall the multi cam works better so yes I see a place for it and might buy it because I do like to blend in to my surroundings hoping I never have to but practice makes you better
This is very true. There isn't a single best pattern for most places. The intent for military OCP was to have the transitional pattern for the kit and adjust to green/tan pattern uniforms as needed
I live in Northeast Tennessee and the M81 camo is great in my area. Dense forest with thick undergrowth is the ideal environment for this camo and I got that in spades.
I have tons on my camo and alice gear. My friends mom used to give us all kinds of stuff when she came back from bosnia. I also use woodland pants when I'm hunting.
M81 went full circle from the actual military, to fat bubbas aka yallqueda, to trendy modern day citizen attire. I love it. Its also the pattern my dad wore during the invasion of iraq so its got a special place in my heart from that.
I was in the last company in the Marines to get issued the old woodland cammies in bootcamp. The very next group to come in gor the Digi cammies. I had to buy mine as soon as I got to the fleet.
Woodland works great in most environments, especially the eastern half of the US. And, based it is. Ive kept all of my old woodland gear as it remains very effective. Iv'e 'upgraded' to wearing a mix of coyote tan and ranger green pieces and both of those colors gel with woodland pretty well, when mixing them together.
Back in 2005, my unit was doing an NTC rotation. We'd just been issued the brand-new ACU (the first gen that was like pajamas.) I was helping out on the sniper range, and when our guys in ACU went downrange with the cadre in M81, an odd thing happened. The cadre in their M81 BDUs (albeit faded) disappeared among the blue-green-gray sagebrush, while our guys in the blue-green-grey ACU were still easy to spot.
i love that you put thought into your offerings. Not selling the "cool " black color because it has no purpose in self defense or combat situations. I'm a mechanical engineering and appreciate the level of detail in your thinking. If you have any Career opportunities let me know :)
I thought for a second when “large plate carrier” was said it was pertaining to a 7.62 version of the ready rig. I’m still hoping for that. Also, different print standards for M81 just makes full kit even cooler.
M81 has been the standard Militia Camo of American Militias since the camo was dropped surplus is cheap and available, lots of good gear for it and new gear being developed in M81 ❤
Good idea. Having a set available would be a good addition. I probably don't fit the ones issued anymore... They are harder to find nowadays.
M81, Multicam and snow camo. I find Multicam extremely useful for inland PNW area.
@@skydivingcomrade1648Multicam works great for wintertime here on the eastern side of the country, especially with MC Alpine overwhites.
@EDDSkitz I used to live in Western Washington and the district different between the west side of the cascade mountain range and the eastern side with the rain and plants is extremely striking. Multicam can be used for both sides, but it fits the dryer climate and little bit better than the lush always green west side. They truly are two different worlds.
@@skydivingcomrade1648 I use MC Tropic in spring and early summer, M81 through deep summer, and MC/MC Alpine for fall/winter.
As a 90s kid that grew up with a lot of action films, M81 and Tricolor Desert have been my favorite camo patterns.
I have a DCU BDU DCU Helmet cover M81 Interceptor body armor IBA For short and best patterns.
& DNC?
Chocolate chip desert camo is so drippyyyy
DCU gang for life and it works great as fall camo in grassy fields hunting :)
@@MrRolloBagginsFunny Thing:
Choco Chip Desert Probably was more usseful than the garbage ACU the U.S tried in the early to mid 2000s
Not wearing a fed camo goes a long way. M81 does that very well.
Fed camo gang cause I’m poor and it’s affordable and available. Can’t afford to spend more money for the same product. Some of us have to work for a living.
@@randolph4421 Propper brand BDUs are cheap and available in M81, and Tiger.
Altered fed cammo is mo bettah
Should we also stop using "fed" weapons and equipment too because its "based"? Dumbest shit ive ever heard. Use what is best. Who fucking cares who uses it.
Unless youre trying to use in to get close to get the drop.
I was a marine in the late 70's and I had a pair of pants and a blouse (shirt) that were both M81 but looked totally different when worn together. I loved to wear them for weekly inspection because it drove my lieutenant nuts.
The old ERDL; original Marine cammies. Remember how you had 'winter' and 'summer' patterns, depending on the amount of green and brown in each? I remember the 'season' being specified for wear, to prevent the problem you mention. I liked that much more than the woodland BDUs.
That’s funny 😂
M81 didn’t come out until 1981. Don’t lie
@@flight2k5maybe he meant erdl
ERDL green dominant (ie M1948) was used in the south near Bien Hoa / Dalat Vietnam
Brown dominant was used more in the north past Hue/Nhà Trang…..
I got both of them
M81 is a larger pattern and slightly different color than the ERDL brown dominant and came into US military service in 1981.
I was issued M81 when I joined…..along with the chocolate chips and my desert cammies….the green jungle boots and 3/4 of my issued “782 gear” was from Vietnam. By the time I retired in 2015….we had advanced through so many different patterns it’s unreal.
I was a non-deployed marine in peacetime 1984 and we had this pattern. We had steel pot helmets and a mix of old-school flak jackets and new body armor. The jackets and our field jackets and harness etc. were OD. From what I saw, the OD and M81 tended to adopt the color of whatever dirt, dust, and mud you are humping around in. For your stated purpose, this is a very good idea.
Do flak jackets have any reasonable use now a days? I know it's not bullet proof and we won't really see grenades/shrapnel.
@@A_barrelUkraine shows otherwise with the amount of grenades and arty being dropped. Know a guy over there that practically took. Direct hit from a 105 the angle he was at didn’t get the brunt of the impact but head to toe had about 100 holes in his body from shrapnel
@@SilentXtract I was kinda meaning the topic of the video, civillan use in the states
@@A_barrel ahh okay
⌚️ Eurôpa the last battle
As a camo pattern rooted in military history, it adds a sense of nostalgia and respect for those who have worn it in service.
It’s America’s camo 🇺🇸
As a tiger stripe enjoyer, i second this 😎
Wrong. Khaki and green will always be the traditional military uniforms associated with authority and martial principles. The oldest uniform the Marine Corps issue is the legendary iconic Service Alphas.
I always love the DCU early 2003 the marine uniform DCU with the old Alice and 782 gear, the marines where actually starting to integrate the new woodland camo scene while they still were using DCU those are some of the best uniforms.
USMC Vet so I may be biased
@@Person0fColorthat's great bro
M81 is still America's camo
@@duffelbagdrag I love woodland but I'm adopting more camo patterns in my life mainly blue camouflage,grey digital,eventually t block camouflage,tactical black and olive,and browns,and will adopt snow camo eventually
I like the idea of M81 as a civilian camouflage. However, those of us in the southwest could really use an m81 arid color scheme. Because its really only green down here for about 2 weeks in the spring.
Multicam arid, they have that as well.
I believe that would be tri color desert. Or dcu I think it's called. It's m81s sandy cousin
@@nacholibre6129 that or the 6 color desert (chocolate chip)
Desert tiger. It's double based, because the Pentagon screwed them out of the multicam contract.
Tri color desert aka DCU. There is plenty of surplus
If you like M81, you'll love ERDL. M81 was based on it, but it is has smaller shapes and subtler transitions like Multicam without looking like Multicam.
In that same vein some people wear tigerstripe
@@gregisbased5205 Tiger stripe my personal fav.... just looks so fitting.
@@teekydeeky you have the vietnam era Marine and Navy SEAL drip. I respect that.
@JucktheFewsdpm is dope af
I actually like ERDL a little bit more than M81
Woodland M81 has always been my favorite. As a kid in the 80s, I use to dress in it head to toe to play capture the flag in the woods with my neighborhood friends.
Based. My dad passed down his BDU's from the 90's and it became my favorite. That clothing from back then was made to last.
Echo that for high school paintball in the 80s - out back behind a housing development that had varied terrain. Tons of fun and the camo was usually sold out of large cardboard boxes at guns shows - you had to pick through it to find what would fit :)
In the 90s, with other adventurous classmates and PE teacher we would play manhunt in the palmetto woods near the school down in Florida. Gilly suits were popular too, but we mainly had Woodland. and what other random stuff we got from the Goodwill.
Years later in high school JROTC, we had an after school program named Raiders. We all had M 81 Woodland camouflage BTU uniforms. Originally they had named it, Rangers, but later changed it to Raiders. Was Army JROTC. Over a decade later, I have no idea if that program is still a thing or what uniforms they might be issuing now. The boots were the old jungle boots. Fun times!
I did the same, growing up in the early 2000’s. With my Glock-ish airsoft gun and plastic Bowie knife on my hip. Some of the kids didn’t like to play with me because, instead of going for the flag, I would hide by my team’s flag, and sneak up behind them and poke them in the back with the knife 😂
kteagle3 you aren’t the only one! I’m an 80’s kid too and anything M81 made up my seemingly daily attire in those days. Boy Scout trips war games, camping, and hunting. I still try to use it nowadays for deer and bear hunting.
As an infantry paratrooper with th 82nd in the latw 70's and early 80's m81 was our issued pattern and has always been my favorite. As you stated, it was darker than the patterns of today, and it blended really well with the terrian across the U.S. . I still pefer it than any other pattern. 😊
This is really appreciated. I never understood why other manufacturers would have options for black and multicam black, ranger green and OD, but rarely an M81 or even multicam tropic option.
Because they want to sell to the LE, and don't care about our needs or wants.
Black is used a lot for professional services. Whether it's EP, building or bank security... camo would look very unprofessional in those settings. I'm not knocking camo, but can you see six different "guards" kitted-out in camo in a high-security place of business, Executive Protection w/up armored Escalades, etc? They could be the best trained in the world, but it would look like they were wearing something they dragged home from a deployment. The bottom line is that body armor isn't always for outdoor or non-urban environments. (And as I mentioned above, I live in SE WI... the colors here change weekly... if I have to rattle can, I keep all the colors that might fit for that week, even winter with snow on the ground you might want half white and half dark brown to move along trees.
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Good to have a black carrier with black pouches but then have an M81 chest rig or something with mix n match pouches if you go out in the woods. Reminds me i forgot to order M81 shoulder pads the other day 😆
Those specialty patterns are only made in limited choices of materials. So even if gear manufacturers wanted to make, say a pair of gloves in MC Black, well they only have 50/50 Nyco or 100% cotton. Neither one is a choice they would make gloves in. So they only make T-shirts or pants in MC Black because that's all the material they have to choose from.
I make gear and order lots of fabric. The gear makers are beholden to the big weavers.
"If you want to sell roast beef, you gotta have roast beef!" - Bobby Cohen
i love multicam tropic
Served in the Navy during the last couple of years during the transition from woodlands to blueberries (worst uniform ever). Thank god I was an EXW sailor and was part of one of the few commands who still wore woodlands even after the worldwide uniform phase. It felt rather special and always got looks when you went to train/work with other commands. M81 really does hold a place in my heart. Nice to know more companies I like and respect are pumping these products out!!
Go EXW!
Extremely based indeed
Very based
@@nathansmith6076 Some say, unfathomably
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Great insightful “why” content video 👏
@@MrHazz0Zased, even
I’m a 90s kid and back then m81 was readily accessible and cheap at surplus stores. I grew up hunting in it along with a lot of guys in our camp using it. Always loved it just haven’t been able to find it for years. Glad to see many companies starting to use it again
Where I am in Michigan I can use woodland for around 7 months of the year. It’s a beautiful pattern. I have literally watched people wearing it walk into the woods and vanish right before my eyes. Good stuff
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My father who served in the late 80's through to 2000 was issued M81 in the Army in it's where I developed my loved for the camo along with the original Ghost Recon game. And I alos love it for not being current issue camo that works well in many environments, especially where I live.
M81 was the standard pattern when I was growing up and then when I was in the Army (87-93) it is very effective for hunting animals and people everywhere in the world except for deserts. Cool stuff.
Used it as an Army Infantryman in the '80's, and have it in my closet right now in case of SHTF, I use an OD carrier and/or a web belt setup.
There have been limited runs of elastic in M-81. If more companies request it do to demand the webbing manufacturer will tool up for it if there is enough ordered. Whiskey Two Four distributed a limited run of M-81 elastic and it was sold out pretty quickly.
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At the One Shepherd Leadership Institute, the patterns one wears on alternating days are ranger green/olive drab and m81 woodland, with just gear only being green/drab (no m81 gear) acceptable on either day.
For that reason, green and m81 are ones to prioritize if one wants to partake in One Shepherd.
The color inconsistencies you mentioned at the end for m81 goes for many other colors as well such as Coyote and Ranger green. Just depends on the manufacturer and age of the gear
Definitely, some coyote tan gear looks like a brownish green
Very good call on the M81. Happy to see that you guys will make lots of products in that pattern.
Been a M81 loyalist since Uncle Sugar gave me my wardrobe overhaul all the way back in 1990. It's a much better pattern than most believe.
The secret is going over to Altama Boots, and getting your hands on the OD Green Jungle Boots. Altama is the original supplier since the 0's, still supply DoD footwear, and aren't Chinese knockoffs
Sold out so get on the list now!
M81 is actually a skew of its parent pattern, ERDL, of which there are many variants stretching all the way back to experimental patterns tested in Vietnam. Myluchvlike the various multicam skews, there are lots of ERDL/M81/Woodland skews that are all related
M81 is my 'go-to' for a few reasons;
-Law enforcement doesn't use it. Can't confuse me for somebody I'm not. And since most others don't use it either, my friends and I can pick each other out easily. (That's, like, SHTF scenarios. Not likely to matter.)
-works decent in darker environments.
-its what my father wore, it's what I used in Scout Platoon, and I think it's awesome. I've been taught how to use it better than other camos.
-it's very green where I live
Glad to know others think like me.
I live out in Eastern Nebraska. Do you think that in your opinion, m81 is a good choice or should I go with something more brown?? During the summer I'm sure it would be perfect cuz that is nothing more green than the cornfields
Hell yeah! My dad passed down his BDU's to me, and it's been my favorite since. He was in the army in Germany in the 90s, a rare time of peace. Woodland is the camo pattern of the people.
@doubleutubefan5 yup, I'm in Western Iowa. Works great in some of the trees and in the corn. Especially moving around at dawn and dusk.
For Fall, I did get some simple Realtree pattern camo for hunting. It matches everything out here. And for winter, just the winter/snow Realtree cams that fit over my other hunting gear. Which works out because it covers the M81 cold weather gear too.
@@doubleutubefan5 Over on the Eastern side of the Sea of Corn (Indiana), Flektarn works pretty well for 3 out of 4 seasons. Let it take the mud and dirt and it will brown up ok-ish for winter use. The greens can be a bit dark against summer time corn, but is great for fall foliage but we have more trees than you guys....
Honestly if you're worried about brown content M81 should do fine.
they actually let you wear M81 in scout platoon????
My first experience in the Army in the 80's and early 90's was strictly all M81 Woodland BDU's. My favorite color! But I do also like the Marpat, but too many "others" use it!
Glad to see the post frequency increase! Hope this means you’ve got a stack stored up to release!
I was using ATAC FG, but that has become really expensive and hard exact things I need.
I have since started to buy Ranger Green because it will fit in for the majority of the year in north Georgia.
I really like the M81 Woodland, still have a bunch of it from when I was in the Army in the 90s when we used it. Its one of the best camo patters out there, in my opinion. Especially if you look at the price of equipment. I still have some of the old ALICE rucksacks because they work really well, even today. Its a great design.
I don't care what anyone says, the "chocolate chip cookie" camo used back in desert storm is the coolest camouflage ever used lol!
Ah yes the old "Desert Desserts"
M81 has been my favorite pattern for a while now. Very excited y’all are doing this!
Multicam is so great of a scheme where I live so it's hard to give it up just in terms of it's actual camouflage capabilities but the m81 does go hard
@@callsignjoker2686 camo is camo. if youre using camo as a means of IFF than youre already losing. is ghillie a fed camo? is an AR a fed gun? cant run american flag patches since the feds run that. Do the feds run boots? with laces? lmao. train more
@@garrettzkool63good comment.
The midwest generally needs both. Multicam/mil OCP for late fall to early spring. M81 when the leaves appear
@@garrettzkool63you're not wrong lol might as well go full circle and go back to big bright solid colors!
@@someamateur2853 three cheers for RevWar Continental Army wool!! Huzzah!🤣
Thanks! This is what Wikipedia says about M81...
"The U.S. Woodland is a camouflage pattern that was used as the default camouflage pattern issued to the United States Armed Forces from 1981, with the issue of the Battle Dress Uniform, until its replacement in the mid to late 2000s.[1] It is a four color, high contrast disruptive pattern with irregular markings in green, brown, sand and black. It is also known unofficially by its colloquial moniker of 'M81' "
This is awesome. It makes me want to crye when I see companies make M81 stuff for a super limited run, at a super jacked up price, and yet they still continue to make stuff in multicam black.
M81 is excellent camo, it has plenty of advantages over more modern camo patterns. I'll stick with ranger green as I've already spent enought money on gear in RG, but if I decide to go M81 in the future I'll definitely make some purchases from you all. My RG orion setup is still rocking after a couple of years of use.
RG actually works pretty will with M81. It’s close to the old Forrest green webbing color on the early M81 Molle gear.
@@poolee77 completely agree, both are great
Big thank you! I’ve always said M81 was the best overall pattern for North America. Plus it’s just old school cool. M81 is always the first thing to fly off the shelves because it’s super popular but I never could understand why vendors don’t offer it more often. Thanks🙏
Woodland camo was what was issued to us standard. Marines, Navy and Army used it. At one Field Training Exercise we did some camo training. All I can say is the woodland pattern was very very effective.
Was issued M81 back in my early career 96-04 in the US ARMY still have them in both summer and winter weights. Always disliked the digital camo pattern that came afterwards.
M81 was great camo for wooded regions
ACU was 🤮🤮🤮
ACU was hot garbage. Don't understand the Army's decision to adopt it; should've kept 3-color desert and M81 until they figured out Multicam.
@@andreivaldez2929 Agreed 110%
One of the best "camouflage" garments I have ever seen was a guy (playing paintball) who was wearing just a plain olive drab (perhaps a bit on the lighter side) sweatshirt. However, he had turned it inside out so the fuzzier part was on the outside. It took me a long time to figure out why it worked so well. Your eyes naturally want to focus on things but with that fuzzy side out, near or far, it appeared blurry being fuzzy. Your eyes just wanted to slide off it and move on to something, anything that it could lock on to. Food for thought.
If you look at the Ukraine conflict, one major issue is the similar uniforms of the two armies. Due to that and the fluid nature of the combat area, they have to resort to wearing bright colored bands to identify friendly forces.
Normally it’s tape and you see a lot put on the helmet for trench raiding.
In WW2, American units who were given camo in Europe switched back to green due to significantly higher rates of friendly fire incidents, as they were being confused for Waffen-SS and Fallschirmjagers. Camo = harder for the enemy to see and identify you, but that also applies to friendly forces
this is the type of video content that the people need more of
As someone who lives in the Midwest I'd really like to see a snow camo chest rig for winter to wear overtop of coats and such.
You can get that stuff pretty easily as top layers.
If you’re not opposed to just using white and gray spray paint…
THIS
love m81, its my type of camo that i always use and im glade to see T.REX is going even more in this direction with this beautiful camo, thank you T.REX!
Tiger Stripe and Flektarn are the only ones that could be more based.
Rhodesian brushstroke....
@@MrNathan2923 Good God. My mouth is watering.
I would replace all my gear if I could get it all in Flektarn. That shit just disappears in Middle TN.
German rain pattern with woodland or flecktarn
@@MrNathan2923does particularly well in Northern Wisconsin, sand & red clay dirt mixed with Northern forest.
Thank rhe heaven's, that someone has come around, I love M81, and have plenty of gear, and have been wanting more.
I totally agree. I have been wearing woodland camo since I was a kid casually. I wear the pants, shirts, and jackets. I cut my pants into shorts and wear those all the damn time. It's been a camo that have never gone out of style in the punk or metal scenes, and has been so widespread that people don't automatically think I am a service member. It's also a badass looking design and the colors are some of my favorite hues and neutrals. BTW I really love my 80s Woodland that is kinda bright green.
M81 is schweet and glad to see it for the being pushed by Trex for the prepared citizen as a non-affiliated pattern unlike multicam, even though multicam is a good pattern it has the double edged existence of being a military and federal law enforcement pattern so I am happy to see M81 being added along with the already great ranger green and other options at Trex
M81 won’t hide you at all in a good portion of our country 😂 you’ll all be spotted as you’re not thinking modern at all!
I love m81 but i have to say here in Ct multicam is fantastic for the most part of the year. Our state police apparently have multicam tropic now for the spring season. I don’t think i could justify 2 sets of gear for blending with the fed bois and nonaffiliated. If anything how a citizen sets up their gear will be completely different than agencies.
It's been The People's camo for a long time. Not enough companies run it. Thanks.
Multicam works phenomenally with most of Texas’s terrain 🤙🏻
Very true. In the Southwestern US multicam is really good. I get where they're coming at with the whole thing of ID'ing friend or foe, though, but I think a set of guidelines before shooting would make more sense than just objecting to a camo just because feds use it.
@@andreivaldez2929 this is factual, especially in areas like western Texas, now granted East Texas woods is M81 all day no contest but, western and most of central Texas is MC
@@huntharrell9267 exactly. For the part of TX where I'm at, the OCPs (scorpion W2) work perfectly 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months, M81 works best. Gotta equip to the natural surroundings, not a sense of which camo is less "fed"
M81.. Ranger Green.. and classic OD are the minty drip of the American rifleman. I know a lot of “feds” use ranger green but it blends well in multiple environments including sagebrush
M81 is a great camouflage pattern, but I swear every time I see people using M81 in person it’s usually a hodgepodge of random equipment worn by guys that are at least 50 years old and haven’t run a mile in 2 decades or more and in general don’t look professional or capable. Because of this I guess I have an unfair bias/stigma against the camouflage pattern. I personally fell in love with multicam from the moment I first saw it, and although it is stilted currently used by the military, I will continue to rock it.
I’ve been waiting for this day forever. Just got a sling. And hoping to see the dump pouch in M81 soon.
Going to cop one fs fs. was going to go with defense mechanisms for me and my son but I love what you guys at T Rex stand for, customer for life.
I have alwas been fan of 81. If you look at surplus locations you can find some great M81 accessories. I am so glad you guys are coming out with new gear in M81!!! I like to mix it with OD Green.
Some state police utilize M81 as well as some foreign entities that could one day be "peacekeepers". I've thought of the "civilian camouflage" pattern being born out of not using a pattern at all but using the appropriate shades of the base green, brown, sand and black and combining different colored components. Green carrier, sand cumberbund, black mag pouches, brown helmet etc. Even to the point of You and a buddy each buy same make/model of carrier but in different colors and then trade front panels, mix one shoulder strap of each color etc. We're really just talking about breaking up patterns at a reasonable distance and that could work and definitely be distinct upon up close inspection to allow for friendly identification.
Persanally I'd say Vietnam Tiger Stripe is the most based camo. If Trex made a plate carrier in that pattern it would be an instant buy for me, and I'm sure many others too. If you do it just make sure its an authentic looking pattern like Helikon Tex's. Extra based if you make it golden tiger.
"Vietnam Tiger Stripe is the most based camo"
*Rhodesian* *Brushstroke* *has* *entered* *the* *chat*
I don't think TRex is focusing on making historically accurate decisions.
Living in the southwest, my gear is coyote brown/tan/fde and it's a good base to add various greens, darker browns, tans, or other color materials. It ends up working very well in the desert
Way to go with the new content delivery T.REX - more quick videos in less time with variety! Love it.
thats killer, i like the "use case that makes sense" thought process, and advertising your product more!
What is the company's thoughts on Tiger Stripe? It also works very well in most of the Southern/woodland US and (to my understanding) isn't in active use by many Mil/LE units nowadays. In aesthetics I say it ranks about on par with M81
P.S. There is a small community that uses "Rhodesian brushstroke". It's one of those "if you know you know" kind of things. It harkens back to the Rhodesian bush wars and the camo pattern is associated with fighting tyranny.
Again, if M81 doesn't sell for you, and you are trying to market to the community that is not government employees, Rhodesian and Tiger Stripe are the more popular.
what about a desert camo?
@@SGrosch What about it? You will need to elaborate. Are you suggesting that it is a good camo pattern? Or are you suggesting that it would be a good civilian pattern? Or are you commenting that certain civilian 2A groups have adopted it?
1. thanks for follow up and asking for clarification, poor comms on my part.
2. Is there a desert camo that falls into that category as well, for what you described in your comment? Az= woodland makes sense for up north, but in desert...@@TemplarMedic
@@SGrosch Thats a great question. I have a few military friends that live in the AZ area and I can ask what is popular there?
I guess my opinion was based on TRA’s suggesting that the M81 was a good citizen camo pattern because government agencies don’t use it.
In the community that I know of, (non-government) there is a fondness for Rhodesian brushstroke because of its historical significance and Tiger Stripe for its “Cool factor”. Again, it’s not really based on “effectiveness” as a hunting pattern as there are myriad commercial patterns that are more effective, kryptek and such. My thoughts are more of a reply to the notion of what to wear so you don’t look like Feds.
I would imagine…just guessing here, I don’t know anyone with it…is that the desert tiger stripe would be a great pattern for a dry, tan climate? Looks way cool, And still meet the “requirements” to be a pattern not used by government agencies?
Rhodesia itself was a tyranny for a large portion of it's population. The pattern looks good though. If you go by the 'cool factor', belgian brushstroke and any lizard/tiger stripe pattern are pretty far up there for me.
Bro. Just when I thought there was nothing else you could do to further solidify my brand loyalty, you went and full-committed to old school Woodland.
Still blows my mind how no one's come out with an arid m81 color scheme yet. With the original pattern and an air pattern you pretty much cover the entire Spectrum
6 Color and later 3 Color Desert were issued alongside M81. Mil Spec OCP combines the two. The Green/Brown is very close to mildly faded M81, and the shades of green and tan are similar to 3 Color Desert
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Yes... YES!!! Even videos like this is what we were wanting when we said we wanted to see you more often.
I wait for the days of based Flecktarn superiority
As do I. Until then a mixture of Flektarn, Tigerstripe, M81 and Aor2 will have to do.
My sophomore year of high school, I was a part of a NJROTC unit whose Senior Naval Science Instruction (SNSI) was a Marine Colonel who was a Mustang. He believed in making sure that while we held to the standards of NJROTC, but pushed us harder and sought to get us to do things that would set us apart from other NJROTC units. He arranged for us to do some training evolutions with a local detachment of the Oregon Army National Guard where we got to do MILES training. In the part of Oregon we were in, it was High Desert. Everybody who showed up in camo showed up in Woodland/M81 except me. My dad had served in the military and since I was about the same size as him (if not larger) he gave me his Gulf War choco chip cammies to use. When they were dividing everybody up into the two sides, and giving out assignments, at least 4 or 5 of the ANG soldiers looked at me and went "Smart move kid."
Making a decision based upon where you're normally going to be operating is paramount. I'm in Arizona now, and am biased towards coyote/FDE. This move for your company is well appreciated, by myself, simply because it fits the mantra of always be prepared... and that includes your colourways of your equipment.
Thank you, Lucas.
If you live in the southeastern US, Flecktarn is a fantastic camouflage pattern, both forest and desert patterns. Desert blends really well in the winter and fall when everything is brown because it doesn’t really snow here
Calm down the Huns and stop coping for pointed helmed stuff
@@youngdenard264what are you on about? I was just stating a fact. Never said anybody should go buy it over M81 Woodland. Get over yourself, dude
i've been rocking m81 for 4 years, really happy to get some updated gear on my pc and belt setup.
In the french army we use a similar camo the "Centre Europe" which is clearly the best camo I have seen for our territory, way better than the multicam
Grew up as a kid wearing Woodland M81 and love it this day still.
Is M81 significantly different under NVGs or under Thermals to other patterns?
Or is it just down to cloth materials, dyes used?
Actually a quick vid comparing differences would be *awesome!* (you do have NODs, Thermals and many uniforms)
I was looking to see if there was a comment like this. I saw a vid by another U-toober last year and he showed how cool you thought you looked larping like an invisible predator right up until the NODS turned on. At which point you looked like a neon sign that said "SHOOT HERE". Camping gear is the same unfortunately. This needs rectification.
@@AC9T Awesome! Do you have a link to it? I'd like to research that a bit more.
There is a great video from S2 Underground showing and discussing camo patterns with ngs. As I recall its mainly depends on the dye being made to keep its color under infrared, if not you end up a solid blob. And not using fabric softeners, which make you very reflective.
It should be IRR treated. A lot of stuff out there isn't.
@@deadlymarmoset2074 Not just fabric softeners but most detergents as well.
I have the M81 and EDRL, just the right camo patterns for the reasons you stated and goes great here in the Appalachian woodlands. Wear my field jacket and or a blouse with jeans, really cool. In warm weather wear the pants with t shirt or some type of button up shirt, good video
Any veteran or active duty questioning this company based on whether or not Lucas served the government wouldve fought for the crown during the revolutionary war
How does m81 glow under nods? This is one if the reasons I have been using multicam.
multicam is better for night camo then? and video sources for me to watch? I use multicam but dye it a darker green
@@Gnolomweb I don't have any just did the look at it with a nvd check.
@@callsignjoker2686 I know and I don't like it for that reason.
@@Gnolomweb There is an excellent video from S2 Underground about ngs/thermal and camo patterns. As I recall its mainly depends on if the dye is made to keep its color under infrared, if not you end up just a solid color. And not using fabric softeners, which make you very reflective.
M81 is my favorite color. Works very well mixed with a little multicam in the woods of New England.
I'd go with Pencott, instead. M81 was designed by government committee to reduce costs of buying uniforms. It's way too dark on purpose to account for sun bleaching, allowing for less replacement uniforms. In the end it never worked out.
That would require people to actually care about camo blending in as well as not being regs for feds, instead of looking drippy.
It’s good to have different eras of M81 if you are going for camouflage anyways, the different shades and patterns help to break up your shape even more.
Just as I started liking Woodland lol
better buy it now then
@@masterqui-gonjinn90 trex doesnt ship to my country. I would have to pay like 200$ for Shipping
@@gansior4744 you don’t have to buy from trex
I was in the Army from 1989-1993 and that's what we rocked. Still love it to this day.
In USMC we referred to it as "tri colors", the days of polished boots and starched cammies...
What is old is new again. M81 has always been my uniform as a Marine from early ‘90s. 🦅🌎⚓️
Wore my dad’s m81 he use to wear in the Marines from his old seabag when I was a pre-teen pretending to play war with my friends with airsoft guns. Larping before larping was a thing.
I know many people have said this but I am really enjoying these new youtube videos! keep it up!
Learn something new everyday! I love the idea. New fav camo now.
Summer time M81 is a good choice but with any camouflage seasons change and spring and fall the multi cam works better so yes I see a place for it and might buy it because I do like to blend in to my surroundings hoping I never have to but practice makes you better
This is very true. There isn't a single best pattern for most places. The intent for military OCP was to have the transitional pattern for the kit and adjust to green/tan pattern uniforms as needed
I live in Northeast Tennessee and the M81 camo is great in my area. Dense forest with thick undergrowth is the ideal environment for this camo and I got that in spades.
My BDU'S where M81 during my Army career. Definitely old-school and what most of my gear is still today
Love it. Just bought cerakote colors to spray some goodies in m81
I have tons on my camo and alice gear. My friends mom used to give us all kinds of stuff when she came back from bosnia. I also use woodland pants when I'm hunting.
Multicam, acu, whatever pattern plus green rit dye changes the pattern just fine
M81 went full circle from the actual military, to fat bubbas aka yallqueda, to trendy modern day citizen attire. I love it. Its also the pattern my dad wore during the invasion of iraq so its got a special place in my heart from that.
I was in the last company in the Marines to get issued the old woodland cammies in bootcamp. The very next group to come in gor the Digi cammies. I had to buy mine as soon as I got to the fleet.
If I could start my kit over from scratch, it would all be M81. Pennsylvania matches this color scheme well
Woodland works great in most environments, especially the eastern half of the US. And, based it is. Ive kept all of my old woodland gear as it remains very effective. Iv'e 'upgraded' to wearing a mix of coyote tan and ranger green pieces and both of those colors gel with woodland pretty well, when mixing them together.
Wearing different pattern top and bottom helps greatly in breaking up your human profile in the field.
Back in 2005, my unit was doing an NTC rotation. We'd just been issued the brand-new ACU (the first gen that was like pajamas.) I was helping out on the sniper range, and when our guys in ACU went downrange with the cadre in M81, an odd thing happened. The cadre in their M81 BDUs (albeit faded) disappeared among the blue-green-gray sagebrush, while our guys in the blue-green-grey ACU were still easy to spot.
I think M81 is also the most low-key camo in public perception; it reminds many of “grandpa’s old duck hunting shirt”
Sounds like a solid and logical thought process to me. M81 for the win. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍
i love that you put thought into your offerings. Not selling the "cool " black color because it has no purpose in self defense or combat situations. I'm a mechanical engineering and appreciate the level of detail in your thinking. If you have any Career opportunities let me know :)
Love M81. Favorite pattern by far.
I thought for a second when “large plate carrier” was said it was pertaining to a 7.62 version of the ready rig. I’m still hoping for that. Also, different print standards for M81 just makes full kit even cooler.
Yeah, I want a ready rig for my 308.
I really like the “short videos” you guys should keep going that way