Some Don't Want To Hear Their Pennies Are Cleaned Cleaned coin playlist czcams.com/play/PLku4wL94a2MMJQzn4WLlfsbme3jIxuWUQ.html&si=hb52HvWsbG-9HHl9 Our Apps play.google.com/store/search?q=mint%20error%20app&c=apps&hl=en_US&gl=US BUY COINS From Us portsmouthcoinshop.com/ Go to our help community here for coin help coinauctionshelp.com/forum/index.php More videos! www.youtube.com/@CoinHELPu/videos Join CONECA conecaonline.org/
Sadly, I have seen many youtubers say that a coin can benefit from a quick dip to improve it. Watching your videos have helped me understand that it does not help but hurt the coins. Thanks for the videos they are very informative.
If you really know what you're doing it can help. But it's really easy to just mess a coin up. Especially copper. You should really never dip copper imo. It comes out with a weird unnatural colour and is easy to identify as being dipped. Mint state silver coins with lighter, but ugly tones are typically the go-to candidates.
Great video! Copper is a very difficult element to clean because it will instantly react with any cleanser applied. Novice collectors can be challenged the science of chemistry because the outside electrons that orbit the Copper atom cannot be cleaned; they always search for a base compound to form a salt product. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, we are grateful.
That color is an instant sign of cleaning. When I was a kid, my mother scrubbed my copper cents with copper cleaner while I was at school one day. Luckily, I didn't have any key dates. I still have some of those cents and they look much like that 1921-S.
I have an 1899 IHC that cartwheels, but the color is off. The problem is, it just might be the finest RPD, for that date. I know that it would graded out at a MS 66 to 67... if it weren't cleaned. It's just heart breaking, but it is what it is. I'm keeping the coin, but I won't send it in for grading. It's a beautiful coin! Is a shame! Thanks for the info!
Dear sir, ts terrible! Honestly. I r received some wheats from friend. I can tell a lot by just looking at patina & age, & even year just by looking at patina.
I had a 1867 S. Gold $2.5 dollar coin. I had it for 20 years. I never did anything with it but it had a glob of glue on it from the original bank roll. I dipped it in some boiling hot distilled water to get the big glob of glue off of it. I sent it in to be graded and they graded it as cleaned. It got a grade of extra fine 40 but they said it was cleaned. It wasnt improperly cleaned just cleaned. I didn’t rub it. I didn’t use any chemicals I just dipped in hot water.
Most that ive sold to my LCS I note as "cleaned". Most that i sell to my guy, I have found metal detecting. It HAS to be cleaned to show detail. Can't bring him a dirt clod and get a few bucks... Most local collectors I know, also don't mind (mildly) cleaned coins. They've told me it's more of the historic value and detail, more than just the luster.
These days the grading companies are more likely to return them as altered color or cleaned. If I cracked out some of mine and resubmitted them, I'd probably be disappointed.
I think a lot of people that collect know their coin is cleaned. Then they submit the coin for grading, and it comes back cleaned. Then they get upset that they got busted!!
There's different levels of "cleaned" from wiped for 5 seconds with a shirt, to put on a buffing wheel. I don't really like cleaned coins but I'll make exceptions. If I can tell it's really old light cleaning and it's toned over really well, or if someone was just working at one spot but the rest of the coin has killer eye appeal.
I heard that you can boil coins in water and baking soda and it does a great job and doesn’t look cleaned. I don’t believe that that’s true but I’ve heard it twice now.
I have learned *never* to clean or even restore copper coins, because it’s color is related to its age and history. The most I would ever do is use a proper coin conditioner to remove impurities (buildup). If it must be done, get a professional to restore it for you.
I sincerely doubt that there are many coins out there that have NOT been cleaned at some time in their existence. Just about any circulated coin has probably been cleaned one way or another over its lifetime. As such, I do not consider cleaned coins to also be problem coins unless the cleaning was harsh enough to be readily visible. They still look good in my albums.
Mid-century, dealers would send out kits for people to clean their coins. The kits included steel wool to help polish up and brighten old coins. This was to make their own coins worth more because none would buy cleaned coins. Hahaha.
Thanks again Daniel. Everytime I watch a video I gain more knowledge. Is washing a coin with dawn soap just to get the grime off considered cleaning? Does it matter whether copper or silver? I have done that with dirty coins and they do look better but wasn't sure if that's considered cleaning
Daniel , thank you for the information , I really need and appreciate , i look forward to benefit from your experience for grading my coins but i am too far geographically , i do not know how to do about it , thank you .
Great video Daniel! I completely agree, identifying a cleaned coin can be really hard sometimes. I have several that I really wish weren't but I know they are and it is what it is. Ya still love the coin for what it is, it's history, beauty in design and character it's developed that makes it soo awesome, cleaned or not ya know. It's the loss of value that makes the "Cleaned factor" sting as it does. When collecting coins, it matters a lot how you perceive things. Having tunnel vision can easily make this hobby hard to enjoy.
I agree. I have one heavily cleaned Morgan dollar that i just love. It looks like someone took household silver polish to it, but it just glows with radiant beauty, like a piece of fine jewelry. The person who cleaned it was probably showing love, and meant no harm. I actually picked it out of a tray at my LCS because it was so shiny. I know the value has been compromised, but i have a sentimental attachment to it.
Yes even i see the halo effect.to coin rubbers never use cotton or anything.use your thumb or finger or you get scraches.dipping is most likley your best shot or just ( Leave That Thing Alone) which is a good RUSH song.
Oh by the way thanks for coin information hobby info centric .not brown noseing you but there is a channel that is very political and has a much larger subscribers.but its all fluff goo goo .Thanks to coinhelpu and treasure town for calm decourm and content related information keep up the good work.
I agree. I have had enough of the "very political" coin channels and no longer watch them. I am here for numismatics and stacking and i love this channel.
I literally hate politics and even political comments on my channel. I don't care what the rich North of Richmond do, they're to the South of me though. LOL
Method doesn't really matter because if you look at it and for me if I look at my Lincoln cents and my first thought is probably cleaned . Then most likely it was.
Man, some of those I wouldn't think cleaned!! But if pro said cleaned, I'm gonna listen....I remember when I was a kid a friend, who got me interested in coins, would use Tarn-X to clean coins....WTF RIGHT?!?! Luckily I learned very early to not clean coins!! Tell it how it is!! Thanks Daniel!! 🤘🤘
Gotta say it... I really like the way that 1921 s looked... much better than just all the same tone... But I don't have the $$ to make that a change to collectors...
People also don’t wanna hear they have fake tones, unfortunately people pay premium for chemically altered coins I think in 20-30 years people will go the opposite way.
I can remember when the market wanted only 'brilliant uncirculated'. When the GSA Dollars were evaluated prior to packaging and sale, 'tarnished' coins failed to make the 'Uncirculated' grade and were sold at a discounted price. Many of those same coins are now highly regarded as MS with original 'toning'.
Experience alone is not the end all to be all I have seen very experienced people that are still not good at there craft however most times experience will help people zero in on what the issue may be but that is why there are third party grading companies to help out and sometimes they get it wrong but I see so many people that think there experience makes them the truth on a subject matter
They're not experienced then, experience is the only way to learn and know, that's the entire essence of actual education is experiencing it over and over by living it, breathing it and studying and practicing it. That is what I do every single day of my life, I am experienced and educated and knowledgeable and I know when someone isn't experienced as they claim to be, cause they don't really know. So don't mistake the fluff from someone's mouth as their actual experience.
Daniel, if you want a nice clean copper cent, just stick it into ketchup -- my wife did that with a half dozen 1907 Indians (fortunately only G-VG), they sure come out clean and pink looking. I suspect that it is mainly the vinegar, an acid, that does the work.
The combination of vinegar with salt in ketchup produces a little hydrochloric acid. That's worse than straight vinegar on copper. The pink color is partly because of the alloy left behind when a thin layer of the copper is stripped off.
Another great information video, Daniel. I have also noticed the halo on some coins and avoid them. My opinion is that they have been cleaned so I will pass on them. Thanks again, Daniel, for all you do for the hobby, and have a great day.
@@CoinHELPu Oh just goofy stuff like toothpaste, or something equally ridiculous. Or I have seen people reccomend Tarn-X instead of eZest which is not good for coins. I've tried it and it takes too long to act and makes them all burnt and hazy. If I see another one I'll make sure to save the link and share it on the forum.
Great video Daniel! Good observations, and the candy bar comment made me laugh. Coins that you like or love, and wanting them to be better can play tricks with our vision. Have a great day!
Daniel I go through HUGE amounts of US cents and often clean those that have dirt in the lettering or date by using dish soap, warm water and a very soft toothbrush. They come out nicer and I don't see any change in the toning, etc. Is this okay to do ????
I don’t recommend, most cents are just too common to put that kind of time. Plus the more a coin is circulated the worse it looks when it’s messed with.
Copper coins have always been the most difficult for me to try to determine whether or not there's been cleaning. Thanks to your videos, I'm learning. That's the main thing, I'm learning and gaining appreciation for coins outside my main interests. You're causing me to spend more money. 💰 None of it's wasted though. Thanks for sharing your expertise with us. 👍
Some Don't Want To Hear Their Pennies Are Cleaned
Cleaned coin playlist czcams.com/play/PLku4wL94a2MMJQzn4WLlfsbme3jIxuWUQ.html&si=hb52HvWsbG-9HHl9
Our Apps play.google.com/store/search?q=mint%20error%20app&c=apps&hl=en_US&gl=US
BUY COINS From Us portsmouthcoinshop.com/
Go to our help community here for coin help coinauctionshelp.com/forum/index.php
More videos! www.youtube.com/@CoinHELPu/videos
Join CONECA conecaonline.org/
Thank you
Sadly, I have seen many youtubers say that a coin can benefit from a quick dip to improve it. Watching your videos have helped me understand that it does not help but hurt the coins. Thanks for the videos they are very informative.
If you really know what you're doing it can help. But it's really easy to just mess a coin up. Especially copper. You should really never dip copper imo. It comes out with a weird unnatural colour and is easy to identify as being dipped. Mint state silver coins with lighter, but ugly tones are typically the go-to candidates.
Great video! Copper is a very difficult element to clean because it will instantly react with any cleanser applied. Novice collectors can be challenged the science of chemistry because the outside electrons that orbit the Copper atom cannot be cleaned; they always search for a base compound to form a salt product. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, we are grateful.
still great info
That color is an instant sign of cleaning. When I was a kid, my mother scrubbed my copper cents with copper cleaner while I was at school one day. Luckily, I didn't have any key dates.
I still have some of those cents and they look much like that 1921-S.
I agree, I have so much to learn. I have gotten alot of pennies that are nice condition but color is wierd.
I have an 1899 IHC that cartwheels, but the color is off.
The problem is, it just might be the finest RPD, for that date. I know that it would graded out at a MS 66 to 67... if it weren't cleaned.
It's just heart breaking, but it is what it is.
I'm keeping the coin, but I won't send it in for grading. It's a beautiful coin! Is a shame!
Thanks for the info!
For me, I do not care if the coin has been dipped or slightly cleaned. This to me does not detract from the history and the allure of the coin.
Dear sir, ts terrible! Honestly. I r received some wheats from friend. I can tell a lot by just looking at patina & age, & even year just by looking at patina.
I had a 1867 S. Gold $2.5 dollar coin. I had it for 20 years. I never did anything with it but it had a glob of glue on it from the original bank roll. I dipped it in some boiling hot distilled water to get the big glob of glue off of it. I sent it in to be graded and they graded it as cleaned. It got a grade of extra fine 40 but they said it was cleaned. It wasnt improperly cleaned just cleaned. I didn’t rub it. I didn’t use any chemicals I just dipped in hot water.
It was cleaned before you boiled it, that's what I am telling you in the video, the coin could have been cleaned before you owned it.
Most that ive sold to my LCS I note as "cleaned". Most that i sell to my guy, I have found metal detecting. It HAS to be cleaned to show detail. Can't bring him a dirt clod and get a few bucks... Most local collectors I know, also don't mind (mildly) cleaned coins. They've told me it's more of the historic value and detail, more than just the luster.
I have 40 yrs and I get fooled sometimes with bu indians.
These days the grading companies are more likely to return them as altered color or cleaned. If I cracked out some of mine and resubmitted them, I'd probably be disappointed.
@@jeffw1267 working in a coin shop,1990s, just 1 summer was a pure education, I have so much respect for Daniel.
I just got my 8 back from pcgs I posted a short and half are cleaned
I think a lot of people that collect know their coin is cleaned. Then they submit the coin for grading, and it comes back cleaned. Then they get upset that they got busted!!
When I send to Anacs for conservation I believe They clean them also.
Great info, señor. Thanks.
I remember when i was a kid, people would tell me to use tabasco on my pennies...it wasnt until my teens that i knew they were morons.
There's different levels of "cleaned" from wiped for 5 seconds with a shirt, to put on a buffing wheel. I don't really like cleaned coins but I'll make exceptions. If I can tell it's really old light cleaning and it's toned over really well, or if someone was just working at one spot but the rest of the coin has killer eye appeal.
Most toning I would almost think sitting in some wet substance with other coins and it does create strange toning affects.
That washed out look reminds me of watercolors.
I heard that you can boil coins in water and baking soda and it does a great job and doesn’t look cleaned. I don’t believe that that’s true but I’ve heard it twice now.
Yeah don't do that. Not one real professional in this hobby is going to recommend that. You're smart for not believing them.
Very good video .Thank You Daniel.
I have learned *never* to clean or even restore copper coins, because it’s color is related to its age and history. The most I would ever do is use a proper coin conditioner to remove impurities (buildup). If it must be done, get a professional to restore it for you.
Thanks Daniel
I still just don’t understand why cleaning hurts the value of a coin.
thats also another way 2 control the pop!
Thank you Daniel!
I sincerely doubt that there are many coins out there that have NOT been cleaned at some time in their existence. Just about any circulated coin has probably been cleaned one way or another over its lifetime. As such, I do not consider cleaned coins to also be problem coins unless the cleaning was harsh enough to be readily visible. They still look good in my albums.
Mid-century, dealers would send out kits for people to clean their coins. The kits included steel wool to help polish up and brighten old coins. This was to make their own coins worth more because none would buy cleaned coins. Hahaha.
Thanks again Daniel. Everytime I watch a video I gain more knowledge. Is washing a coin with dawn soap just to get the grime off considered cleaning? Does it matter whether copper or silver? I have done that with dirty coins and they do look better but wasn't sure if that's considered cleaning
It's best to ask in the coinhelpu community, it's easier to answer there. Thanks
Daniel , thank you for the information , I really need and appreciate , i look forward to benefit from your experience for grading my coins but i am too far geographically , i do not know how to do about it , thank you .
I don't grade coins, you will have to send them to one of the grading companies.
It is hard to hear. By cloth or chemical, it is tough to hear that someone thinks less of your coin.
Great video Daniel! I completely agree, identifying a cleaned coin can be really hard sometimes. I have several that I really wish weren't but I know they are and it is what it is. Ya still love the coin for what it is, it's history, beauty in design and character it's developed that makes it soo awesome, cleaned or not ya know. It's the loss of value that makes the "Cleaned factor" sting as it does. When collecting coins, it matters a lot how you perceive things. Having tunnel vision can easily make this hobby hard to enjoy.
I agree. I have one heavily cleaned Morgan dollar that i just love. It looks like someone took household silver polish to it, but it just glows with radiant beauty, like a piece of fine jewelry. The person who cleaned it was probably showing love, and meant no harm. I actually picked it out of a tray at my LCS because it was so shiny. I know the value has been compromised, but i have a sentimental attachment to it.
Yes even i see the halo effect.to coin rubbers never use cotton or anything.use your thumb or finger or you get scraches.dipping is most likley your best shot or just ( Leave That Thing Alone) which is a good RUSH song.
Oh by the way thanks for coin information hobby info centric .not brown noseing you but there is a channel that is very political and has a much larger subscribers.but its all fluff goo goo .Thanks to coinhelpu and treasure town for calm decourm and content related information keep up the good work.
I agree. I have had enough of the "very political" coin channels and no longer watch them. I am here for numismatics and stacking and i love this channel.
I literally hate politics and even political comments on my channel. I don't care what the rich North of Richmond do, they're to the South of me though. LOL
Love is blind. But in the end it comes down to someone's opinion. It's the human element to this whole "cleaned " debate that I do not trust.
Method doesn't really matter because if you look at it and for me if I look at my Lincoln cents and my first thought is probably cleaned . Then most likely it was.
Man, some of those I wouldn't think cleaned!! But if pro said cleaned, I'm gonna listen....I remember when I was a kid a friend, who got me interested in coins, would use Tarn-X to clean coins....WTF RIGHT?!?! Luckily I learned very early to not clean coins!! Tell it how it is!! Thanks Daniel!! 🤘🤘
Gotta say it...
I really like the way that 1921 s looked... much better than just all the same tone...
But I don't have the $$ to make that a change to collectors...
I think it's great you liked it, all coins need a home.
My dad and I used baking soda and warm water in the early 60's . Thanks for the lesson...
People also don’t wanna hear they have fake tones, unfortunately people pay premium for chemically altered coins I think in 20-30 years people will go the opposite way.
I can remember when the market wanted only 'brilliant uncirculated'.
When the GSA Dollars were evaluated prior to packaging and sale, 'tarnished' coins failed to make the 'Uncirculated' grade and were sold at a discounted price. Many of those same coins are now highly regarded as MS with original 'toning'.
Experience alone is not the end all to be all I have seen very experienced people that are still not good at there craft however most times experience will help people zero in on what the issue may be but that is why there are third party grading companies to help out and sometimes they get it wrong but I see so many people that think there experience makes them the truth on a subject matter
They're not experienced then, experience is the only way to learn and know, that's the entire essence of actual education is experiencing it over and over by living it, breathing it and studying and practicing it. That is what I do every single day of my life, I am experienced and educated and knowledgeable and I know when someone isn't experienced as they claim to be, cause they don't really know.
So don't mistake the fluff from someone's mouth as their actual experience.
That 21-S looks messed with, for sure. Thanks again, Daniel.
This coin has been well circulated.
And cleaned
Thanks Daniel for all that info., You are a good person.
Daniel, if you want a nice clean copper cent, just stick it into ketchup -- my wife did that with a half dozen 1907 Indians (fortunately only G-VG), they sure come out clean and pink looking. I suspect that it is mainly the vinegar, an acid, that does the work.
The combination of vinegar with salt in ketchup produces a little hydrochloric acid. That's worse than straight vinegar on copper. The pink color is partly because of the alloy left behind when a thin layer of the copper is stripped off.
@@mikebarushok5361 Thanks, good to know!
Another great information video, Daniel. I have also noticed the halo on some coins and avoid them. My opinion is that they have been cleaned so I will pass on them. Thanks again, Daniel, for all you do for the hobby, and have a great day.
Thank you Danial.
Did they rub it with a candy bar……. 😂
Another great video by Daniel everybody share…
You never know what someone on tik tok told people to do to their coins. I've heard dumber tips than rubbing it with a candy bar 😂
Please elaborate, maybe I can do a video on the dumbest things people told them to do to coins.
@@CoinHELPu Oh just goofy stuff like toothpaste, or something equally ridiculous. Or I have seen people reccomend Tarn-X instead of eZest which is not good for coins. I've tried it and it takes too long to act and makes them all burnt and hazy. If I see another one I'll make sure to save the link and share it on the forum.
Great video Daniel! Good observations, and the candy bar comment made me laugh. Coins that you like or love, and wanting them to be better can play tricks with our vision. Have a great day!
Very informative video, Daniel. Thanks for sharing! 👍👍
I have a dime that's indented on both sides
Yeah, looks funny
I have a 1964 nickel, no mint,got a d mint on the back of it on side not top
👍
Daniel I go through HUGE amounts of US cents and often clean those that have dirt in the lettering or date by using dish soap, warm water and a very soft toothbrush. They come out nicer and I don't see any change in the toning, etc. Is this okay to do ????
I don’t recommend, most cents are just too common to put that kind of time. Plus the more a coin is circulated the worse it looks when it’s messed with.
What's a 1961 nickel silver worth
You see clean coins that are Lazer clean?
Not that I am aware of but I've heard of it.
Copper coins have always been the most difficult for me to try to determine whether or not there's been cleaning. Thanks to your videos, I'm learning. That's the main thing, I'm learning and gaining appreciation for coins outside my main interests.
You're causing me to spend more money. 💰 None of it's wasted though.
Thanks for sharing your expertise with us. 👍