Why do They Need Wasteful Tanks if They are Destroyed by Cheap Drones
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- Today we see thousands of tanks and other armored vehicles burn down faster than lighted matches. What’s more, this is caused by drones, that cost only a couple thousand dollars. A logical question arises - why do countries keep producing and using tanks, that require millions of dollars, if they are now so easy to destroy? What vehicles can replace them on the battlefield and is it possible to protect tanks from the drones?
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Without tanks and armoured troop carriers, soldiers don't have the stamina and speed to cross ground to seize territory without being gunned down by small arms fire, mortars and artillery. When both sides dominate the sky with weaponized drones and artillery spotters, neither can advance and we get a WW1 stalemate.
We need super soldiers
I think people forget how fragile an average human is, even with tonnes of added-on armor. Good luck convincing the top brass and the average soldier to going back to WW1 style infantry Zerg rushing especially since most countries' birth rate is down the gutter and anti-personnel weapon has become more accurate
And why use airplanes if they are destroyed by other drones? And why use people equipped for $3,000 if they are also killed by bullets that cost a few cents? I understand that the admin was being pursued by clever thoughts, but he was clearly faster.
Ah yes that quite make sense
which is exactly why robots will continue to dominate the battlefield going forward
I guess this is why most nations abandoned the tank concept after WW2 since a cheap and readily available Panzerfaust can knock out most tanks on the battlefield...except that's not what happened. The tank (or armored vehicle) concept constantly evolves to suit the battlefield
100% spot on .
It should be of important note that not all drones are able to harm tanks let alone destroy them and most of the tank killers are either artillery or mines.
In regards to what is going to be the way of the future to help deal with the problem though isn't full proof or comes with possible downsides as well would be electric warfare/jammers mounted on or auto-shotguns with programmed targeting up to a said range. Everything else is really more counter productive.
That’s why they resorted to using MT-LBs and T-62 variants for their assaults. They realized that if expensive tanks can get easily disabled by cheap Walmart drones then there is no point in using them.
I don't think people realize this, I always see Pro-NATO/Ukraine types going
" haha, omg, Russia is using golf carts and T-62s, they must have ran out of all their equipment! "
Russia has 1000s of T-90s, T-80s and upgraded T-72s still left, alongside thousands of BMP-2s, BMP-1s, BTR-80/82s, etc
But why use a T-90 to assault a trench when a T-62 will do just as well? Why use a BMP-2 to taxi troops when a chinese ATV can do the same job?
A 155mm artillery shell will destroy and kill a squad in a golf cart or a squad in a BMP-2 just the same, in the end, it doesn't make sense to use the expensive equipment in this attrition war
Vertical aps or some kind of small cwis with airburst rounds seems like a viable option. Perhaps even stronger guided laser pointers as a cheap option to blind the drone cameras.
in ww2 you can loose thousands upon thousands of tanks and nobody really bat and eye, nowadays you loose a single leopard and the entire internet starts convulsing violently.
Bingo
They've lost at least 11 in Ukraine. They've also lost 5 Abrams. But, it's not a single thing. Glad you're not working for the military, because it's pretty obvious things are going to change in favor of more drones & robotics.
@@CheapSushi gotta roll with the punches & change with the times .
Drone hunting squads, or even a dedicated drone man per squad or two .
$2 worth of shot shells is a few hundred times cheaper then a drone . Locate the operator & smoke em with something cheap & nasty .
The good old sword vs shield game .
Ukrainians some times use hunting shotguns with birdshot to shoot down drones they either can't identify or they have already been identified has one manned by the enemy, quite the cheap solution if you ask me
@@RandomDudeInTheInternet-bk9cu
Both sides have been & doing it alot.
Ukraine have bought a large batch of Turkish made semi auto bullpups . Russians are using a large array of different models.
Both sides are using common heavy field loads.
Dedicated shotguns with suppressors & ammo is already available if ones knows what to use . It's the simplest right now solution available & add to that dedicated drone hunting squads .
With EW & other locating / listening equipment. Maybe dog fighting drones .
Glad you talked about this current event thing
We are too early in the drone development stage, I'd imagine there's currently development of anti drone weapon systems... Think similar to a vulcan but in a small arms calibre with an automated or AI targeting system like on ships. Add electronic defence and modified armor, the tank will never go, it's just in a new evolutionary stage.
Shotguns are the best right now off the shelf option .
I just done a deep dive on them for use on drones.
It’s all about patterning the gun & loads . Heavy loads at 1100-1200 fps . Faster muzzle velocity disrupts the wad & it ruin’s the pattern & shot string . Some chokes work , most don’t work how they claim . Again check your patterns.
TSS tungsten turkey loads can be helpful & are probably the future of short term shotgun solutions. Anti drone squads might become a thing ! Possibly a metal storm shotgun would be ideal, but it’s not off the shelf now .
The argument against using IFV's is flawed; the criticism that they lack armour is not relevant, as apparently no tank can carry enough armour to survive ATGM hits. I also struggle to see any kind of non-automated MG or shotgun defence working, simply because it is so hard to spot the drones far enough away. But an automated point defence system will likely be very vulnerable to shock from artillery, and so won't survive very long.
My thoughts of close support weapons carriers are : extra light amphibious , both - one man / unmanned , wheeled or tracked vehicle made from some sort of plastic. Could be fibre reenforced plastic , possibly self sealing, High power to weight, 2wd with optional sealed electrical motor hubs for 4x4. Electric turntable knuckle boom, weapons platform . Dream up your light support weapons. RPGs , unguided rockets , machine gun , mortar , drones , grenade launchers ect ect .
Keep it very small ( hard to hit ) , very cheap ( basically disposable ) could use add on armour of your choice .
A mix of manned & unmanned, hopefully the unmanned ones soak up the hits . Hopefully keep the weight under 300kg .
Hull possibly would provide protection from some shell splinters & some small arms fire at 150-200 meters. ? Just a thought.
Time to bring back the idea of superheavy tanks
There are three videos I feel like would be good ideas, I hope you hear these: A video about the Russian GRU/GUR and the Ukrainian SBU, a video about military training and programs around Europe and the east, and lastly a video about tactics used in multiple conflict in the present.
Rus = GRU/GU
Ukraine = GUR
@@angel_lunar thank you, I didn’t know this.
Perhaps support tanks with fighter drone escorts (like destroyers during the world wars)?
Small uav with fast horizontal speed would be opted for hunting down slow vertical rotor drones. Assisted by algorhythm or Ai Controlled. If you remember the Russian drone with recutanglar vertical stabilizers directly mounted on the main wing. A shotgun body with a canard elevator. Control surfaces can be added. But the top-down landing and take off seems logical even for conventional RC style aircraft. Because of the advent of a reliable electric motor. Making the entire fuselage, the loading bearing structure with a gun barrel itself is a cleaver way to lighten the craft.
Metal storm type shotgun with tuned loads . Just a single tube or multiple tubes , no mechanical parts .
Potentially 410 or 28g using tss or tungsten shot .
@@concernedaussie1330 That'd be cool. I think a self-loading gun would be more practical, but single shot is always cool from a gamer standpoint.
@@Astrawboy_NameAlreadyInUse no ! metal storm ( look it up ) is a tube with multi layered loads packed one behind the other . No cartridge case & electric fired . Fastest firing gun in the world. czcams.com/users/shortsaaCrP-b07mo?si=WlreQqJMhEqeoWXi
There's no alternative of tank and it will continue like decades. The direction Russian army has to move through is the development of advanced portable EW device and unmanned armored vehicles. I've seen many Russian tanks equipped with EW devices on top but have never seen them really working against FPV drones. The latter one (unmanned tank) is a bit futuristic though.
The next step in development will be remote controlled, tracked, armored drones with heavy weapons. Much smaller in size and a lot cheaper than a tank but still able to knock out enemy vehicles and fortifications.
I agree you can fit a lot more armor and weapons in a smaller package with ground based drones.
@@sungukyun2608 A tracked drone with the same armament as a tank could be less than half the size and would be a lot harder to destroy.
Why are some words in the upper caps and some words are in lower caps in the title?
Title capitalization in English is weird.
Well i dont think that those really small "improvised" cheap drones are a big problem for tanks. They are just new and the equipment of tanks is not really flexible in this war. Its basicali fliing IED which can be just jamed for example. Think is it wont help much. Thread no.1 is artilery strike aimed and corrected if necessary, by observing drone. This basicaly means you have one whole new level of air supperiority you need to get to protect your assets.
I think that tanks will continue to be used, but in smaller and smaller numbers, and that the main role will be played by infantry transport vehicles. The latter cannot be replaced because the infantry necessarily needs an armored vehicle to transport it.
I really doubt it. We will probably see more tanks with EW antennas, anti-drone APS or more specialized anti-drone vehicle integrated on a more localized level. Infantry vehicles don't have the same (cheap) firepower as the 120mm cannon
Got me half of the video wondering who is Johnes that´s destroying Ukie and Ruskie tanks lol
Can you do please video abaout Russian military vest 6b45
The power of the T-72 is the time in flight of the turret if the ammo rack gets hit
The power of western tanks is how much more they cost for just getting blown up anyways. Especially the Ariete, you wannabe mafioso.
@VunderGuy Did I talk about the Ariete personally? I was talking about the tanks used in Ukraine, and also the Ariete isn't used by the army because it's too expensive and consuming, the italian government is planning to buy Leopard 2A7V's
Small uav with fast horizontal speed would be opted for hunting down slow vertical rotor drones. Assisted by algorhythm or Ai Controlled. If you remember the Russian drone with recutanglar vertical stabilizers directly mounted on the main wing. A shotgun body with a canard elevator. Control surfaces can be added. But the top-down landing and take off seems logical even for conventional RC style aircraft. Because of the advent of a reliable electric motor. Making the entire fuselage, the load bearing structure with a gun barrel itself is a cleaver way to lighten the craft.