Tib training/Barefoot debate w/Atlaspowershrugged ft Alec Blenis
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
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Gonna hold off on my new Tib 1RM until i finish this
This was fun guys, I’m sorry we didn’t have more time!
Thanks Alec! I’m sure you’ll be requested as a mediator for future debates haha
I had fun listening to you guys!
@@justinspencer7293 Thank you! hoping to do these more often
Imagine an alternative universe where Alec mediated the Kas-Angus debate haha
I agree with Angus’ perspective much more than Atlas but Holy Shit is Angus insufferable as a person. Difficult watch tbh but Alec is a hell of a moderator.
@@benjaminzuckermann3442 workin on it lol
Can we talk about how Blenis is a fucking ELITE host/moderator? Fuckin brilliant 😂 🤌
Wish more coaches had the fucking stones to put themselves out here in this way. Good on ya fellas.
Knew he would do an amazing job, legend of the game
Blasphemy!
I've been running Bulgarian for Tib Raises (work up to a max 10x/day) for 6 weeks now and my whole body is bulletproof! My vertical jump now improved from 20 inches (I was always in debilitating knee pain, doctors told me I'd never play sporte again!) to 75 inches!
You just gotta BELIEVE in Tib Raises brother, BELIEVE and you will achieve!
100%
Need to get Ben Patrick on next
We will reach out to him!
The guy is too busy accessing pain-free athletic ranges to lower himself to this stuff
I would love to see a part 2, but atlas needs to prepare better. It felt like he was grasping at straws answering questions. There are benefits to wearing barefoot shoes that are measurable and can be described a lot better. and I don’t know what he was on about the athletes thing, but I would like to see his side, presented a lot better
I mean I get where Atlas is coming from but it's just inventing scenarios. You can like wearing barefoot shoes even if there was zero benefit, and everyone hates how they look. Who's to say feeling confident isn't improving your performance? Nothing happens in a vacuum.
I mean, let's say the NBA player DOES want to go hiking - can they just not wear boots? If they wanted to shift to focusing on hiking and not NBA, maybe foot strength becomes an issue.
To me, the issue with ATG and tib raises in general is people are basing their livelihood on selling you a solution to a problem you may not have.
Atlas talked about wrist/hand training (I forget which) because of elbow pain limiting tricep training. That doesn't mean everyone who wants big horseshoe triceps needs to do that.
The problem with the fitness industry is the answer is always "it depends" and people like ATG and SquatU want to sell you thinks that infer it's not the case.
Great vid and Alec did an excellent job moderating!
Emotional topics for him, can’t beleive he thinks nba players are helpless barefoot 😂
“A problem you may not have.”
Everyone who has worn modern shoes, sat for 8 hours a day, and loaded partial ranges in the gym has structural balance problems. The tibialis (and lower leg training in general) is one of the obvious things that has been completely missed in your mainstream gym training. But the people laughing at it are still wearing heel-lifted nikes, so what do you expect.
@@ericmalitz if I’m perfectly happy with my training, making great strength progress and an in no pain - do I have a problem?
Again, I have no issue with people doing whatever they want - but I’m not going to be riddled with anxiety if people think I shouldn’t squat on wedges or with oly shoes on.
I would like to see some actual measurements from Atlas on his claims of the growth from tib raises.
Arguing against using hyperbole on social media for ben patrick the king of using hyperbole on social media lol
He just lied about that too. Complete lie
Can’t believe I’m so late on this
I'm very much on the fence about tibialis anterior training as I don't think the research or evidence is sufficient to swing either way at the moment. But I will say from one of my athletes as a long or triple jump coach. For bounding exercises focusing on horizontal displacement a heel first flat foot contact is required, this athlete can execute a heel first contact consistently across hopping and bounding on his right foot, but for his left foot he simply can't. Having tested mobility, flexibility and strength in tbe ankles. The only difference between the left and right was strength. Using a 12kg KB for tib raises he could achieve double the reps on his right foot than his left. Now obviously correlation is not causation but I do think having a major strength deficit in dorsiflexion on the left foot and then presenting significantly less active dorsiflexion on that foot in running and bounding has some strong logic to tibialis anterior strength being a limiting factor to technique
I don’t think you really need evidence for the application of specific resistance training exercises because the effects of strength training are pretty well known to be general. You thought about the specific context of your client and the tibialis raises made sense, there’s nothing wrong with that
Lemme grab my 🍿
Enjoy!!
Thank you Angus
Thank you for tuning in!
Damn Atlas really thinks tib training increases vertical jump. That's crazy.
Probably does when you don't do any real jump training lol
Atlas disregarded the point about running shoes enabling Alec to run farther.
maybe we can get him for another one. I still wanna find out why he thinks its ok to stigmatise machine training and trap bars, but then he'll go to war for tib raises
@@angusbradley92 I think he just comes from a very different niche to us S&C fans.
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I sadly sat through this whole thing. My greatest takeaway is that Angus conducts himself like a child. If I was atlas there is no way I would give him a second more of my time. Disrespectful & condescending the entire time. Truly abhorrent way to treat a guest.
He called me out for weeks lol then came on and pouted the whole time. I had no interested in talking to the bloke and the record of our interactions shows that
He’s dogmatic about the shoes, I’m not.
@@angusbradley92 you were the one who posted a story repeatedly saying “book the debate book the debate” but now you didn’t want to talk to him??
You must've missed Atlas calling Angus a coke head on instagram in the lead up to this. Being polite doesn't matter if you're politely saying slanderous shit.
Jesus the pearl clutching
This entire video has crazy intense homiesexual energy, especially from Atlas. He's trying so hard hahaha!
Alec won
It’s higher than 99% @angus
Forgot it’s not IG hahaha
Yeah it's fully 99.9999
I like atlas for some of his takes but there’s times I feel like he’s grasping straws and maybe over extrapolating. I also just want to add that as someone who “trains athletically” ie- sprints plyos oly lifts, heavy lifts, isolations + conditioning - I cannot FATHOM wasting any amount of time on tib raises hahaha if you want to hypertrophy those muscles go for it man. But I don’t think tib raises are adding inches to my vert or broad jump nor are they helping me drive heavier weights overhead. Anyone with experience doing these things knows that…
@@nickcustodi592 from what I can tell, the most “sporty” thing atlas participates in is hiking so it’s not surprising he has interesting beliefs about S&C
@@angusbradley92 wish I listened to more of the debate before commenting but I also agree with you that 5 minutes of plyos >>> 5 minutes of tib raises for stimulating below the knee. Again I think any human who has spent any amount of time practicing plyos would probably agree. I think the loading in something like max velocity sprints or repeat hurdle jumps is significant enough to drive some hypertrophy. Pretty sure that’s been shown in some study somewhat recently - but really I’m hiring from the hip and citing these sick freaking calves as my evidence for that
@@nickcustodi592 anyone who trains plyos properly knows. Unfortunately most coaches have no idea how to use them!
There are most definitely benefits to wearing minimalist footwear. Unfortunately Atlas is terrible at explaining himself. I
did i imagine it or did Angus say he’s not being hyperbolic in the beginning and later in the podcast he say ‘Atalas you never use hyperbole in short form content’ implying that everyone does including himself.
also misrepresenting Atlas’s barefoot argument by basically saying he thinks he’s better than a pro athlete without shoes on doesn’t seem like it’s what he was trying to say.
ps. the random gooofy smiling into the camera while Atlas was talking was very weird.
i like this gang of people but i wish it was a conversation not a ‘debate’ because angus was trying to clown atlas instead of understand where he was coming. one more thing, i could’ve used more alec in this too, curious his standpoint on what went down.
would love to hear someone’s two cents on the way i saw that
Atlas was disrespectful from the first comment on IG, why are you pearl clutching
Give me one example of Atlas seeing where I was coming from
Oh and Atlas absolutely lied about never using hyperbole. Take that up with him
The hosts are big time clowns.
Dorsiflexion is a pretty basic movement, and commonly neglected versus areas above the knee that get loaded. Train it. Load the movement proportionately.
Saying you train tibs with running in your heel lifted, padded Nikes/Hokas is missing the point.
Classic case of the guy lacking function criticizing those who are emphasizing it (see also out of shape sprint coaches telling their students to be “tight”).
And shutup about visible growth. It’s basic human movement.
I feel like you're ignoring the primary criticism of tib raises, which was the whole reason this debate started. The effects of tib training have been exaggerated, thats why everyone is making fun of them. If you actually wanna train your tibs, we dont have a problem with it and actively encourage it.
And tib raises aren't the only way to train tibs
@@angusbradley92only “exaggerated” as far as their function (flexing the ankle) has been universally ignored by everyone loading above the knee.
Go make fun of kettlebell swings.
@@ericmalitz no, you
Ik you said you can't tell a foot is strong by just looking at it... but any tips on how to get my feet THICK and strong? Despite the last few years of playing sports, sprinting, trying barefoot stuff, plyos, calf raises and general strength training, I haven't found an effective way to strengthen my feet and they frequently get injured after a week of intense running and jumping.
So yea if actually do have any ideas on building thick gnarly feet that'd make my day 😂
Honestly my first instinct would be to try and manage your training load a bit more conservatively. Build up more plyo/barefoot tolerance over time