Portland's first homeless RV park struggling to attract residents
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2023
- The city-sanctioned Safe Rest Park located in Northeast Portland can hold 55 vehicles. It's holding 25 residents currently. Dozens of homeless people live in broken-down vehicles, which don’t qualify for the park.
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"We have Community Guidelines". Pretty certain that's where you lost them.
Non-conformity is a hard monkey to shake loose from!!!
yup they dont want rules
People do not want to follow guidelines.
Wouldn't it make sense to have a caseworker stationed at the gate on a known basis to take intake applications?? To have packing up crews to help people move in? Seems like it is not only the homeless who have commitment & follow through issues, but also PBOT & the agencies!!
We could be using intake applications to assess the need and return some valid information. If too many people are rejected or not moving in for the same reason - voila - you've identified the needs for a specialized group camp. Caseworkers!! Yes!
Piss off. They should be so lucky as to get the charity for FREE. You go do these things. Bring one into Your home, if Only temporarily. You Will see.
The staff at the park aren't the ones who interview people, that task is pdot. The staff are from the Salvation Army and since the property is owned by the city it's through them that recommendations are made
@@leegoddard2618can't wait for fools like you to run into bad times
How many homeless people do not have an ID Card?
Most people are OBLIVIOUS to the fact that without an ID Card, you cannot:
• Get into a shelter
• Get food stamps
• Get a job
• Get a hotel room
• Get into a Salvation Army
• Get food from a pantry
• Get any healthcare
• Get on Social Security
• Get MediCal/Medicaid
To add insult to injury, the cops STEAL Identification Cards from the homeless population to mess with them.
Is this free? I live in an RVand pay $600 per month rent and my electricity is about $90 a month. We both work, there’s a lot of people with incomes and are in part technically homeless. We could afford a house but I honestly don’t want to be strapped into a huge monthly bill. I live further south and depending on this next election cycle we may move away from Oregon. Not out of anger or spite. The tide of expenses is raising and since we both work we don’t qualify for help. Honestly don’t want help, but when we spend $140 for a week’s groceries for two people and feel like we are thrifty about it. We can’t keep doing this, we need to move before we become stuck. A nurse and a truck driver here, we aren’t poor. I feel so sorry for the elderly struggling on social security.
I used to be an OT and foolishly moved here. Now I'm stuck here due to a rare AbI resulted in Parkinsonism and dystonia. I'm on SSDI, living in fear for my safety in a dark, HUD apartment in SE. The senior and disabled residents here are being terrorized by a violent, drug addict. At 42, I feel like I'm stuck in hell. Get out of this shit city while you can..
You are way over spending on groceries. You could easily lop off $50-$100.
I am guessing you are both overweight if not obese, correct? If so, you need to lose weight.
Beans
Cereal
Vegs
A piece of fruit
Some meat
if you move to mississippi you can get a decent apartment for around the same price
@@shellyb6926 I was just looking at lots for sale in Missouri. I may buy a couple just for an investment? You can’t touch a lot here under $100k in town and I was seeing $3,500 per lot there. Maybe I could move there but if not I doubt I’d lose money? The problem with moving to a lower expense area is the economy is depressed along with the lower values. It’s fine if your bringing wealth along with. Unfortunately I have witnessed the exact situation in my home town where rich jerks showed up and screwed my town up. I don’t want to be part of the problem. I’m a conservative republican who is a Christian. I’m not bad for most Bible Belt states as far as who I vote for. But my purchase can add to the issue of outside money hurting the locals.
Canada FINALLY figured out in the late nineties that helping the UNDER-EMPLOYED was the way to go, not the unemployed. For decades after coming up from the US provinces sent people on habitual welfare to "training" and expensive schooling (80 grand) for new arrivals who would/will NEVER have a job. i.e. once you were 26 you opted out of ANY scholarships/help from any govt. level. Then entire industries emerged and the old industries CHANGED; those who were able to adsorb training were the ones now helped. Good policy.
How do so many able bodied grown adults not have their lives together? It wasnt like this even 10-20 years ago.
Fentanyl
Well, for one thing, the minimum wage in the country has hardly gone up a tic in DECADES (although average salaries of CEOs increased thousands-fold). Fewer and fewer people can afford a roof over their heads, despite sometimes working multiple jobs.
You're talking about a very small portion of them.. most of them are junkies... sad truth.@@PLODay-bk8ws
You haven't noticed the exorbitant housing and food prices and the stagnant wages of the past 20 years? The increased cost of healthcare, medications, and difficulty accessing mental healthcare? Do you know what social security pays in comparison with housing prices?
fall of rome
Let's keep it 💯. A significant portion of the people living full-time in janky RVs along neighborhood streets (maybe even the majority of them) don't want to move their rig into any official government RV park catering to them because there's community monitoring by the sponsor(s), rules, and expectations of accountability there. They make excuses and everyone else, apparently, makes excuses for them too.
Let's also forget all the loses in product companies are having to pay for to "feed" the homeless
This is a good way to ferret out who wants help & who doesnt. The ones left on the street get different treatment now.
They've had so many false starts and quick shutdowns. Give people time to see it working. It also gives the local residents time to accept it.
If a qualified RV refuses to take a safe site, I don't mind confiscation, unless it is a street legal,, properly licensed vehicle. We've got to stop enabling failure.
Remember the bike/tourist/RV campsites that have been on the Oregon coast run for decades? Drove a client down there from Canada (single female didn't want to travel alone) and we had a great time. Small store, pottie dump, water, showers, washer/dryers. Private business. These FIRST RV sites should do a take in FCFS, if you have a paper file for your RV and qualify, good on you to get there. No outside trash accumulation, no expired propane tanks(yeh, I saw that stack by the RV) and ENFORCE the guidelines right from the start. Set the scene. Don't let it get away from you
I feel really bad for the guy they interviewed. He’s clearly ready and wants in - so let him in.
I'd be really interested to hear his backstory. He didn't seem typical for the type who is out there.
@@hippiebits2071 I don't see how you can draw that conclusion from just hearing him speak.
The RV park is great. It offers everything one needs other than electrical hook ups. There are great bathrooms with showers. A kitchen with food pantry and fridge/freezer combos stocked with food and places to keep your own. Nice big, new washers and dryers. Waste storage tank pump outs every couple of weeks. Counselors on site to help with issues. And great staff. You can come and go 24/7 whenever you want. Anyone who doesn't like it either have never been in it or just don't like to follow basic rules.
It's because the park has rules.
The "campers" don't want to live by rules.
They want of live lawlessly and do drugs.
obviously not all of them. For those that would like to move in, they can't figure out how to get a referral - because there is not process. Portland is chasing those that really don't want help instead of helping those that are asking. This is (expletive) insanity.
@@sarahmason8154 yes. All. You’re taking the say so of a obvious drug user.
The Salvation Army is legit. You may not like the rules that come with them but they
Do want to help. The homeless are largely drugged that know the exact scam to run on do gooders
And media when it comes to face time on the camera.
@@sarahmason8154 I think what @The2ndFirst said describes the reality of the situation. Sadly. However, what you say makes sense and I agree. Portland needs to do better. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening since most of the "effort to address the unhoused situation" is a con to move money from taxpayers' pockets into a black hole and nothing is fixed or improved and the cash is never seen again. Essentially, it's the newest iteration of the "War on Drugs" taxpayer con. And it truly is unfortunate: I'd love to see actual and real improvement vis-a-vis the overall "unhoused and addicted" challenge our society faces.
@@sarahmason8154 this is called "poverty pimping" in Canada; constantly giving full dental benefits to druggies that will never keep their health, but shutting out the UNDER employed. We're just this month kicking in a National Dental program. And esp. for kids, should have done this fifty years ago.
The rest of us have to live by rules just because they are homeless doesn't change the fact without rules the world would be in chaos.
Very odd with these Rest Parks, people can't even get on a waiting list when there are spots open.
Then there are the high-cost services which would limit the number of rest parks that could be developed.
Go out and put all unregistered rvs in impound no registration impound no insurance impound k9 hits on it impound it will clean up the trash
I've been donating to nearby dignity village for decades and seen it be a great turn around spot for people being able to get their lives together and move on to better things. I'd like to see this location be able to do the same thing for it's residents.
It's just like that song!
"I was gonna move my RV, but then I got high.... I was gonna move into a site, but then I got high!.... Now I'm still on the street, and I know whyyyyy! Because I got high, because I got high, because I got hiiiiiiiigh! Laladat dee dodee dot."
Because again, it's Not a housing problem. It's a Drug problem. They can't do drugs in the free homes. 🤷
I sure wish other towns would adopt a program like this.
Asheville North Carolina desperately needs to.
Here's an update on the park. The city keeps coming in and changing things. They don't want people to have their possessions sheltered. Awnings are ok yet having a tarp isn't allowed. This means if you're unlucky enough not to have an awning on your RV/trailer then you just have to allow your stuff to get ruined. People here are doing the right thing and are in the process of getting housing so why continue to make things harder unless you want this place to fail?
Interesting, my guess I feel that someone or advocacy groups doesn’t want this to work.
Just a crazy thought, but maybe they just don’t want to? And just maybe they shouldn’t have the choice? I don’t know.
Agreed, these zombies don't want rules. This is why they need to be forced into some sort of encapment. If u cannot participate in society, you should not be able to run amok
They're homeless for a reason, and it's not because of intelligence and ambition.
Did you not watch the video? They won't let you in unless you are selected. The poor guy is trying to get in for weeks! Fk!
@@screenarts policy needs to be fluid: if they have THAT many open RV sites they announce for a week they're taking anyone showing up on a tow hook that want IN. don't chase them. Have the ones that want opportunity take advantage of just that opport.
They didn't anticipate how hard it would be to maintain this? This is a sick and twisted social experiment.
It took San Francisco a little bit to get off the ground. Once it did the city or maybe it’s the state now wants to close it in January. I will say this moving into this rv park which is managed by urban alchemy has been the best and most helpful benefit this city has provided. There is room for more spaces and I will say it was difficult to get here and only reason I got in or knew about this was one of the out reach representatives that was on site during one of sfpd push outs took a liking to me and my situation. I almost didn’t take the offer cause a bunch of the information given to me about this was not accurate. The city is making it harder and harder for anyone in rvs, no matter condition or registered to find anyplace to stay. Yet they want to close this site that would be left, unused and sit vacant.
Oh wow. After reading some comments I realize it’s way more complicated than I realized.
When has anything Portland officials proposed actually ended up solving a problem?
You form a list and when one doesn't want to move, you go to the next on the list. This isn't computer science.
Based on the guy at 2:00 I’d say they are being extra particular about who they let in and are really making sure this is a person who won’t drive their neighbors out.
Yeah most of these places have rules and standards. They have to keep out the problem people who will ruin the whole thing. You roll up in an RV and you have drug addiction and chaos written on your face you ain't getting in. And believe me the people who run these places can spot you a mile away.
I would contact the local Salvation Army there in Portland, especially the captain there in the Salvation Army . 😊🙏🕊️
We haven't seen much from Salvation Army since the drug problem escalated. I'm sure they are still running great programs, but they are not able to do anything once their own facilities are full.
Let people apply! It's ridiculous!
I think it is a step forward, but there needs to be a better system in getting people in the park.
It''s new, and fluid. I'd AnNOUNCE a week where all showing up for those empty spaces under their own power an HAVE them, subject to all teh "rules" and you're on the go. No sany dump though. And no trash outside/ no expired propane tanks.
Imagine that the homeless not being able to follow the rules or instructions to get into a park. Probably some of the reasons they are homeless to begin with.
Not being ready to move in? That makes absolutely no sense. It has to be more than that. They must be putting the safety they offer at a price. I would assume it probably revolves around being allowed to use whatever drug they are currently addicted to. And that makes total sense why someone would not want to move into the park. Lastly, I just want to stress, a homeless person going through addiction is no less deserving of home and healthcare than an attic that does not use. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
😡😡😡 "Rules? We don't got no rules! We don't need no rules!'
PBOT please answer the phone.
Homeless RV parks aren't equipped to provide the safety features that attract the homeless at scale. Tiny homes present the most perceived cost-effective and attractive option. The marketing, outreach, and resident acquisition process needs to improve tremendously.
What a strong community 👏
Yep, so great to see Portland being pro-active and trying it's best to take care of these problems. It's awesome to see! 🥰
@@PapagenoMFlmao, problems Democratic voters enabled with drug legalization
It’s all about the free ride.
Ahhh, the old “we can’t help you but here’s the number of someone who CAN” nugget. My favorite false hope circle jerk.
"The City that Works" What a joke.
How can you apply to get s space to park your RV. ?
You can’t apply, it’s not a real thing, it’s just for show.
People would fill that place if allowed to the open spots are being used in chat as if the homeless are refusing the parking.
Need a place to be if you don't want a shelter. A place to be by yourself
So no power or water hookups??? Wow. Why even go?
It would be helpful if they listed the requirements for entry…so that people in need of this program could know if they qualify. I’m guessing they need sober individuals with working vehicles. That would rule out 99.9% of homeless.
Portlandia, going strong!
Salvation Army kinda sucks.
Too bad, pack up their stuff and move it anyways off the roads.
Those in rv are sometimes dealers so without tent costumers they can't work, yikes!.
I’d love to hear more on these guidelines?
Send more from New York.
My aunt left a substantial bequest to the Salvation Army. However, the SA is drug free, ALCOHOL free, so there's your "issue" right there. And what you have to do is keep the trash/crap/outside derelict product OFF the property from the get-go, including hazardous propane tanks not being used/expired. As I understand the vid., the SA and highways has ACTUALLY made towing? available for these applicants??
It's empty cuz lots of the homeless do drugs and they can't do that in the RV site.
If you won't get ready then you lose your spot. That's how life works.
Is Ted Wheeler able to do anything right? Does he even try?
Homeless people do not rules and we know a few rules are needed to live with other people
Solent Greens
In short..another failure program=waste of money.
They know they won't be allowed to drink hand sanitizer and beat each other with sticks so there is little interest
It's because they won't allow the hoarding of garbage...
Homeless drug addicts don't like structured rules. Arrest, jail and force rehab or mental treatment. Stop being soft on these people!
Rules, guidelines..but you don’t explain them. I’m sure they play a big part in why the park is empty.
The only thing a homeless person has is the freedom that comes with it. Giving someone “rules and guidelines” that are not realistic, they won’t come.
Homeless people want to live where they can inconvenience other people. Wouldn't be the right place to live if people weren't upset about it.
We need to keep giving them more and more. Give give give. They're all victims. Ignore your lying eyes. Do not question anything.
There is 75 Million for homeless people, buy them used ones and move them into them. They don’t want idiots telling them how to live.
It looks like the Salvation Army is making sure that the park is used by truly unfortunate people that are homeless and not just the everyday drug addict.
They don’t allow open fent smoking/dealing so nobody will move in
Street encampments are open air fentanyl markets destroying our neighborhoods.
Welp…
Because they want to be close to the drugs.
Look how the sheep are still standing farrr apart.
this comment makes no sense ?
News reporters standing far apart....THAT will never go away...everyone is afraid of each others breath....sad...@@griffin2263
💪💪💪🥳👏👏Go portland!! The media can color it any which way they want!!At the end of the day the earth is our home!!
Please help people trying to move in here. Should be easy to fix this communication barrier.
Oh, it’s one of those. We choose who can move in. Not who qualifies to be here. I can understand that they want to keep the RV park safe. But, that leaves the people that really need care more permanent place still in the streets. Jesus Christ was born homeless and during his lifetime he never had an address. I’m beginning to think that only God can solve the homeless crisis.
Wait a minute, is that a fence around the park? Now the homeless get to live in a gated community? Bet the tax paying homeowners would like some fencing to keep certain people out.
No the real problem is adults do not like being told what to do. They do not want to have to live by someone else's rules in a RV they own.
I wouldn't want someone to control my life just because I parked in a tiny RV space.😊
Here's the thing... you may own the RV, but you do NOT own the space. All RV parks have rules. You don't want to abide by the rules, you will be invited to leave.
Want to do whatever you want? BUY SOME PROPERTY!!!
@@AngelaRPierce No one can argue with your point. But again the rest of society has to follow apartment rules, real RV parks have certain rules, housing authorities rules and etc.
Unless you own your own private land. Even then you have to follow certain guidelines to get home owners insurance and you have to check with local fire dept before you burn things.
The problem is the HOMELESS do not want to follow the same rules as the rest of us who are NOT homeless.
So they will continue crowding up your neighborhood streets with RV's, trash, crime and drugs.
omg the starvation army freaks out there, stay away
If the rules say "no drugs", just exit your RV and go for a walk, get stoned, go for a longer walk, make your way back to your RV/park, climb inside, and go to bed at a decent hour.
It's not prison.
Also, the city should start towing the RVs.
I am starting to think that we need Soylent Green:
Feed homeless homeless.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to fire all these people and just build tiny homes for all the homeless outside of town somewhere? Delta Park? Maybe even delivering drugs, food and blankets. Then you could criminalize sleeping on the street and we'd get downtown back and all the millions/billions lost to property crime and lost business in our downtown. Copenhagen has Christiania where all the druggies who don't want to work can move and use drugs freely. It seems like we spend a lot of money on "solutions" that just make the problem worse. I suppose the problem is even more crazies and junkies from out of town would move here...Portland really is the best place in the world to be a junkie nutter on the street.
I think you’re ideal is good but you know it would quickly turn into a mad max style dis function of lawlessness. There would be tons of lawsuits filed against the city. Just look at the lawsuits being filed by the illegal emigrants right now!
BECAUSE HOMELESS DONT WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES. THEY DONT WANT TO GET BETTER LMAO
If you have an rv, you're not homeless.
Can they use drugs at the new place? If not, that’s an obstacle.
Faith social services makes it impossible for those with religious abuse complex trauma to be there, this is a state responsibility not cities churches duties, sad!.
Strong community?! LOL!
Put them in camps 100 miles from others.
This can be solved with low income housing. The money the city is spending right now to clean up the city could instead be spent to fix up some old motels or abandoned buildings. Take a nominal feel from all low income recipients, hire a caregiver, pay for administration and upkeep, give these people some dignity. Cause what the city is doing now is not working. All the nasty judgemental comments don't help either. It's just spreading hatred.
That experiment has been tried. The people stopped paying their rent and destroyed the properties. They even defecated on the floor. Needles everywhere!
You don't invite vermin (addicts and other people who are above the law) under your roof.
It cost money to tow .
Wow must be drug testing lol 😂
You people just keep electing the same people and then actually expect things to change. Pitiful
Another government job being done the way government always works. Very poorly
why we don't have this homeless bum problem in Florida. We give our homeless bums $50 food money then put them on a bus for Portland.
because people want to drink alcohol and do drugs, and no rules
Blair Best please marry me
It's crazy to think of how many people were migrating to join New Age cults in Washington & Oregon in the 1980s, and today there are hordes of vagrants there.
Elections have consequences . Go figure
Blaming the victims. Again. Oh, and again.
Street encampments are open air fentanyl markets destroying our neighborhoods.
Plus need to stop being referred and let them in
Maybe if you offered them 100.00 then theyd go to get the money. N youd bring them in. Money talks
Park your RV in front of the mayors home and see how long it takes them to contact you.
Too many hoops im sure??
It's rediculous