I would absolutely love to hear more about the injection molding process and costs. I think 3d printing and injection molding can coexist and complement each other greatly
Well yeah. Lol. I work with aluminum & don't see injection molding disappearing anytime soon. Much higher initial cost, but stronger parts & waaaaaaaaaaay faster production times.
Injection molding is expensive as heck in terms of tooling costs. Dies are usually on the order of $10k apiece or more, depending on size and complexity. But they produce a stronger and more consistent product MUCH faster than 3D printing so as long as you're doing enough volume to pay off the cost of the molds then it's worth it.
The rapid injection molding guys will quote an aluminum mold good for about 10,000 parts down in the ~$3000 range. For a 100K to Million part mold in steel they start in the $10K range. In return, you can produce parts in 5-10 seconds that are stronger and more accurate than a SLA printers could ever dream.
Picked one of these up earlier this week from the shop and received it yesterday. I’ve been playing with it in a sorts of blasters and I can’t wait to take it to one of our local wars. I LOVE it and will definitely be buying a few more. Thanks Luke and your team at OOD’s!
Awesome to see you get into plastic injection molding. The upfront costs are high but there are tons of places where it makes more sense than 3d printing. Good work!
Great design, great construction and great company that comes right out in the official introduction and notes a couple blasters with compatibility challenges, that's an honest business owner.
They have. They need more though. Dartzone sells extra drums for the Tomcat which takes a 50 round drum. It is the very first dart drum specially designed to hold half length darts. It doesn't use springs either just 2 concentric rings holding 25 darts each. It is a bit tedious to load but since you can now buy extra drums you may NEVER need to reload during a battle. Dartzone has changed the game forever! I just got my extra drum in the mail. Your wish has come true!
Also, I’d love to see a picatinny rail to replace the pump grip on the swift, so we can choose our grip. I don’t have a 3D printer, so I’d definitely pick that up!!
Highly suggest the Tachi if you can deal with its size. It’s great quality and it looks great in most blasters. Works on my Caliburn, Foxfire, and seemingly anything you can slap a worker mag adapter into.
The big question I have is "Will this fit in the new Conquest Pro from DZ?". This mag's lips are closer in design to DZ's mags, so I would assume that means it would play nicer with the Conquest's slamfire compared to a talon, but I hope it's long enough for the curve to clear.
According to an earlier comment it doesn't work perfectly because of the curve in the mag. But supposedly, with some minor body work, it would function well with the Conquest Pro. More testing to follow! - Perry
Awesome milestone Luke! Congratulations. Delving into the world of injection moulding should not be taken lightly. Looking forward to see what comes next in this category :-)
Choosing a magazine for injection molding makes sense, 'cus you can sell a ton of them. 3d printing is likely to be the best option for pretty much everything else, unless you start designing specifically for volume production using a modular system that allows you to have other parts injection molded while still being able to provide the variety of blasters that you do.
Luke: introduce Out of Darts 29 round Tachi Mag Also Luke: introduce a new product Tachi Mag extender, similar to the talon extender (29+6=35 whopping 35 rounds)
It's crazy that you are now making injection molded parts! Now Nerf is in greater danger of being overtaken by OoD! JK, I can't wait to see what other injection molded parts (and maybe blasters?) are in store (pun intended!)moor us down the line! I know this is ambitious, (but you've done ambitious things before!) but maybe we'll see injection molded Jupitors and such in the future? Great job Luke, as well as the OoD team!
Truely we have entered the next age of foam flinging. Dart Zone seems to have usurped Nerf's crown and now the community is commissioning injection molded products!
I love this, but is a straight version possible? I kinda dislike the look of curved mags with half-lengths. It works well enough for full-length, because the mag will have the depth to make the curve look proportional and useful, but with shorts it just looks kinda goofy and tryhard. Love your work man.
Also the curve puts weight forward causing the front to slightly sag. Most of my darts load just fine but some darts with larger softer heads get squished and don’t want to load as well. This magazine works absolutely amazing in my Woozi though! And still works pretty well in all of my springers with smaller heads. It’s a great design!
Eventually I hope you produce an injection molded flywheel blaster that natively uses your motors and daybreak or pulsar cage. Till then, how about injection molded Stryfe expanded battery doors next, since that's SO common, especially for 3s stryfe builds? And since the battery door can be under strain if using a beefy LiPO, then injection molded strength would be desirable. I'd REALLY like to see Kuriyaka's daybreak cages get injection molded. Especially for adventure force universal cages.
One thing you didn't address - you have two spring strengths for these in the store. What's the benefit of the slower loading version? Seems like I'd always want the faster feeding one and I can use it in a springer or an auto blaster, but maybe I'm missing something? Thanks!
The Low Rate of Fire spring is for springers. It prevents extreme dart compression that might affect performance with those blasters. The High Rate of Fire spring is recommended for Flywheelers where it pushes darts into the feeding mech quicker, keeping up with a full auto rig. Hope this helps! More information is available in the videos on the listing and our second channel 'Luke Goodman.' - Perry
This is a very cool, very long magazine! I love the styling and it's dunny that even for this, you made extenders! What made you choose this to be your first injection moulded product? I didn't see anything asking the community if people would buy it so it seems risky to me when tooling is so expensive. I'm looking into injection moulding for a non-nerf product at the moment but am sticking to 3D printing until I get enough market interest. It seems like the risk payed off though because the mag looks great and I'm sure many people will want to use it! 🧡💙
Just got one of these bad boys, love it! But I do have some questions: I can only get 25 darts loaded reliably as the pring seems to be WAY to tight and the coil spacing when unloaded is about 33% tighter than a Worker 18rd mag. I feel that the spring is just a tad too long to actually accept a full 29 rounds as at that point it is REALLY badly compressed. Any thoughts?
What blaster are you using it with? We really only recommend the stronger spring for full auto loadouts because of that dart compression. If you experience problems, we have a tutorial on tuning your existing spring on our second channel, or you can use the lighter weight spring available on the shop. - Perry
@@outofdarts I've got a bespoke Caliburn with a k25. Where is the other channel? You show it used on a printed blaster in your video with no mention of different spring oprions... Looks like there are about 6 coils too many on your spring length. I'm just going to cut them off and see what it gives.
Here is the link to spring tuning: czcams.com/video/lMyMYnvXrEY/video.html We discovered some compatibility issues after this video, and we have made changes to the listing including the two different spring options you must select before checkout. If you purchased the Tachi mag before the change, shoot us an email to orders@outofdarts.com and we'll be happy to get it resolved for you! - Perry
IDK if the website is broken or they're just officially gone forever, but the Tachi mags aren't on the website anymore and any link to them just redirects you to the Koda mags
Hey, is there any sort of time frame that products on your website will become back in stock? I have been waiting for some parts to come back in stock, and I was wondering a time frame of when they might
Hey Luke my name is josh Abbott and I have a new blaster that you should build, you should build a mp5k flywheel blaster with semi auto,3 round & full auto
Wow finally a worthy halflenthg-mag. I like talons, but only 15 rounds?Wtf where are we? California? So yeah, having a standard capacity of 22 or higher for ususal mags, is nice. I like them, and obviouls I love out of darts, a friendly, intelligent cool guy. And I think I may need to pick some of them up, paint them bright pink and show some airsofters why nerf is an awesome hobby...by basically outperforming them ;D
We have mag adapters for talon-compatible short dart mags on our shop! With a slight mod to fit the shell, you can also fit the adapter in the Motoblitz; we have a tutorial on how to do that in our complete Motoblitz Mod Guide on the channel.
Okay here me out a 12 round banana katana mag because 18 is too big for what most people are going for (aesthetic’s) and no offence but the 29 round looks a bit goofy in let’s say a stryfe just my opinion but would be super cool!
We've heard this suggestuon a couple of times. Drums are difficult to manufacture and they don't function as reliably as a stick mag. I believe my buddy Thanh has designed a Talon compatible "drum" (which is more like a C-mag) that you can 3D print if you want to scratch that itch. Personally, I'm looking forward to taking a look at the Dart Zone Max Tomcat. Just waiting for it to hit Target shelves in my area!
We're super excited to launch our first injection-molded product! What would you like to see us make next for the shop?
What about a drum for half length?
just like dat huh aight aight, I want a silencer, like a really thick one with a flat top and a -14ccw thread
@Jacob Adusei Thahn made a 3d-printed talon drum
Drum for short darts
How about an injection molded jupiter?
Can't wait for a ridiculously large design dubbed, the "Nodachi"
50 half dart drum 😳
Then the adachi
That would be cool!
@@misein2466 LOL THAT WOKLD BE GREAT!
@@afrodita2157 nerotachi
I would absolutely love to hear more about the injection molding process and costs. I think 3d printing and injection molding can coexist and complement each other greatly
Well yeah. Lol. I work with aluminum & don't see injection molding disappearing anytime soon. Much higher initial cost, but stronger parts & waaaaaaaaaaay faster production times.
Injection molding is expensive as heck in terms of tooling costs. Dies are usually on the order of $10k apiece or more, depending on size and complexity. But they produce a stronger and more consistent product MUCH faster than 3D printing so as long as you're doing enough volume to pay off the cost of the molds then it's worth it.
The rapid injection molding guys will quote an aluminum mold good for about 10,000 parts down in the ~$3000 range. For a 100K to Million part mold in steel they start in the $10K range. In return, you can produce parts in 5-10 seconds that are stronger and more accurate than a SLA printers could ever dream.
Formlabs has a white paper out on this subject
"looks at my dusty select fire rapidstrike"
Extend the pusher, buy some Talon or Tachi mags w/an adapter.
Excited ood is starting to do injection molding hope in the future he gets his own molder and does local injection molding that would be awesome.
injection molded! now that's one big new step for out of darts, that's so exciting!
Picked one of these up earlier this week from the shop and received it yesterday. I’ve been playing with it in a sorts of blasters and I can’t wait to take it to one of our local wars. I LOVE it and will definitely be buying a few more. Thanks Luke and your team at OOD’s!
I hope this does well enough for you to warrant additional colors and designs! A very big step to take.
Yeah, I'd like to see more colours too.
Man, that mag must be awesome! Out of Darts keeps making the hobbie greater! Congratulations!
Awesome to see you get into plastic injection molding. The upfront costs are high but there are tons of places where it makes more sense than 3d printing. Good work!
Just ordered 3 of them with a connector for my Caliburn.
Can’t wait!
I have two of these, they are lovely! Have you thought about a jungle mag adapter? XD
We do have a tri-mag connector available on the shop, but you would have to tell me if that's similar or not. I'm still new to the hobby. - Perry
A 15 to 20 round version of this would be really nice. I like the top loading feature.
You should make a holder for these that goes on your back like a sword
This is not a magazine, This is a melee weapon, but just so happens to also function as a magazine
Great design, great construction and great company that comes right out in the official introduction and notes a couple blasters with compatibility challenges, that's an honest business owner.
I really like the idea for the tri mag holder for this. It would be very cool to have such high capacity without a vest.
I’m just waiting for someone to make a half dart drum mag.
There is one on thingiverse but you need the spring they use in the raider drums
Someone please make a MP18 style snail mag
They have. They need more though. Dartzone sells extra drums for the Tomcat which takes a 50 round drum. It is the very first dart drum specially designed to hold half length darts. It doesn't use springs either just 2 concentric rings holding 25 darts each. It is a bit tedious to load but since you can now buy extra drums you may NEVER need to reload during a battle. Dartzone has changed the game forever! I just got my extra drum in the mail. Your wish has come true!
Beautiful!! Cant wait you you to do a Worker Swift review. I’d love to see it in your store, even though I already bought one😆
Also, I’d love to see a picatinny rail to replace the pump grip on the swift, so we can choose our grip. I don’t have a 3D printer, so I’d definitely pick that up!!
Highly suggest the Tachi if you can deal with its size. It’s great quality and it looks great in most blasters.
Works on my Caliburn, Foxfire, and seemingly anything you can slap a worker mag adapter into.
it would be nice to see an angled variant of this for high fire rate blasters that only take angled talons, like the Phoenix 2.0
The big question I have is "Will this fit in the new Conquest Pro from DZ?". This mag's lips are closer in design to DZ's mags, so I would assume that means it would play nicer with the Conquest's slamfire compared to a talon, but I hope it's long enough for the curve to clear.
According to an earlier comment it doesn't work perfectly because of the curve in the mag. But supposedly, with some minor body work, it would function well with the Conquest Pro. More testing to follow! - Perry
Awesome milestone Luke! Congratulations. Delving into the world of injection moulding should not be taken lightly. Looking forward to see what comes next in this category :-)
Thanks for trying the Lepus with the new mag - next up a half dart drum or longer mag that stays in the Lepus magwell snuggly 😁
this channel deserves millions of subscribers
Choosing a magazine for injection molding makes sense, 'cus you can sell a ton of them. 3d printing is likely to be the best option for pretty much everything else, unless you start designing specifically for volume production using a modular system that allows you to have other parts injection molded while still being able to provide the variety of blasters that you do.
Luke: introduce Out of Darts 29 round Tachi Mag
Also Luke: introduce a new product Tachi Mag extender, similar to the talon extender (29+6=35 whopping 35 rounds)
It's crazy that you are now making injection molded parts! Now Nerf is in greater danger of being overtaken by OoD! JK, I can't wait to see what other injection molded parts (and maybe blasters?) are in store (pun intended!)moor us down the line! I know this is ambitious, (but you've done ambitious things before!) but maybe we'll see injection molded Jupitors and such in the future? Great job Luke, as well as the OoD team!
I love your TC and Lynx. I really want to order a Skewer from Silverfox soon.
Congrats on 100k
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I am gonna buy a bunch of these
I definitely getting a couple of these!
Meme mag gang, I'll swoop one or two for my lynx and uburn soon here
Can't wait to use this in my spamf
Me screaming "DEPRIME THE TALON CLAW AHHHHGGG"
Truely we have entered the next age of foam flinging. Dart Zone seems to have usurped Nerf's crown and now the community is commissioning injection molded products!
I'm curious, why not 30?🤔🤔
I want to see your injection molding process! I'm super interested in how you design and make everything.
It seems like this magazine would be ideal for automatic blasters.
Very good video.l! Really like it. 👍
Now all we need is a half length drum mag
oh, a hunned k. Nice.
I love this, but is a straight version possible? I kinda dislike the look of curved mags with half-lengths. It works well enough for full-length, because the mag will have the depth to make the curve look proportional and useful, but with shorts it just looks kinda goofy and tryhard.
Love your work man.
Also the curve puts weight forward causing the front to slightly sag. Most of my darts load just fine but some darts with larger softer heads get squished and don’t want to load as well.
This magazine works absolutely amazing in my Woozi though! And still works pretty well in all of my springers with smaller heads. It’s a great design!
Please make an angled one! I really want to run something like this in my gecko!🤣
Eventually I hope you produce an injection molded flywheel blaster that natively uses your motors and daybreak or pulsar cage.
Till then, how about injection molded Stryfe expanded battery doors next, since that's SO common, especially for 3s stryfe builds? And since the battery door can be under strain if using a beefy LiPO, then injection molded strength would be desirable.
I'd REALLY like to see Kuriyaka's daybreak cages get injection molded. Especially for adventure force universal cages.
As someone who has 2 short dart mags and needs to buy 10... this might be my investment
Would love to see an afterburner that anyone can throw onto there blasters.
One thing you didn't address - you have two spring strengths for these in the store. What's the benefit of the slower loading version? Seems like I'd always want the faster feeding one and I can use it in a springer or an auto blaster, but maybe I'm missing something? Thanks!
The Low Rate of Fire spring is for springers. It prevents extreme dart compression that might affect performance with those blasters.
The High Rate of Fire spring is recommended for Flywheelers where it pushes darts into the feeding mech quicker, keeping up with a full auto rig.
Hope this helps! More information is available in the videos on the listing and our second channel 'Luke Goodman.' - Perry
This thing is awesome
A straight version for the conquest 29 round 150 fps slam fire sounds fun
This is a very cool, very long magazine! I love the styling and it's dunny that even for this, you made extenders! What made you choose this to be your first injection moulded product? I didn't see anything asking the community if people would buy it so it seems risky to me when tooling is so expensive. I'm looking into injection moulding for a non-nerf product at the moment but am sticking to 3D printing until I get enough market interest. It seems like the risk payed off though because the mag looks great and I'm sure many people will want to use it! 🧡💙
This means i can use my lepus for a whole .6 seconds worth of darts!
special in nexus pro mags, half darts,
luke, you should make a cylinder fed sidearm with removable cylinder
Yay 100k!! Woooooo
Waiting for injection molded jupiter, if it is cheaper injection molded that would be cool.
The Talonclaw sounds like a Nite Finder
Just got one of these bad boys, love it! But I do have some questions: I can only get 25 darts loaded reliably as the pring seems to be WAY to tight and the coil spacing when unloaded is about 33% tighter than a Worker 18rd mag. I feel that the spring is just a tad too long to actually accept a full 29 rounds as at that point it is REALLY badly compressed. Any thoughts?
What blaster are you using it with? We really only recommend the stronger spring for full auto loadouts because of that dart compression. If you experience problems, we have a tutorial on tuning your existing spring on our second channel, or you can use the lighter weight spring available on the shop. - Perry
@@outofdarts I've got a bespoke Caliburn with a k25. Where is the other channel?
You show it used on a printed blaster in your video with no mention of different spring oprions...
Looks like there are about 6 coils too many on your spring length. I'm just going to cut them off and see what it gives.
Here is the link to spring tuning: czcams.com/video/lMyMYnvXrEY/video.html
We discovered some compatibility issues after this video, and we have made changes to the listing including the two different spring options you must select before checkout.
If you purchased the Tachi mag before the change, shoot us an email to orders@outofdarts.com and we'll be happy to get it resolved for you! - Perry
@@outofdarts Thanks Perry, I camer to the same conclusions. Will test tomorrow.
IDK if the website is broken or they're just officially gone forever, but the Tachi mags aren't on the website anymore and any link to them just redirects you to the Koda mags
Got a Tachi for my Nexus. I'm super curious if it'll work in the Conquest Pro
Now you can fire 11 more shots before you're out of darts 😉
I'm mates with Jack Rabbit Nerfer. Gunna share this video with him and see if he can do an update to the design of the Lepus 😉
100K!!!!!!!!
I wanna see a 50 round stick magazine.
Imagine making a drum mag. It would be cool but it might be too difficult/expensive, or both.
Can you make that version of magazine but to fit normal size darts
Waffle on the blaster underneath the blue HIRacane
Yep! Right in between the HIR-ricane and the Hummingbird.
Apollo sling mount
Sweet!
okay with capacities like that when is double stack going to become a thing just to cut down on overall length of mag
wait how does this dude make the nexus pro look tiny? how big is this guy?
Hey, is there any sort of time frame that products on your website will become back in stock? I have been waiting for some parts to come back in stock, and I was wondering a time frame of when they might
It really depends on the item you're looking for. Shoot us an email to orders@outofdarts.com and we'll be better able to assist. - Perry
This nearly warrants a channel name change to "Almost Put of Darts"
A short dart drum !!!!!
I wonder what a short dart drum would look like and how much it would hold...
It’s an actual “e x t e n d e d” mag
And if you want up to 5 more darts in a single mag, we now sell extenders. - Perry
Injected moulded Jupiter parts when?
Injection molded caliburn but good
Hey Luke my name is josh Abbott and I have a new blaster that you should build, you should build a mp5k flywheel blaster with semi auto,3 round & full auto
Not that I expect you to try and design one or anything (just curious), but do you think a half length drum would be possible at all?
I think they tried to make one a while back but it was too complicated to be viable as a product or too unreliable for use in a game.
100 rounds and I’ll be impressed
Wow finally a worthy halflenthg-mag. I like talons, but only 15 rounds?Wtf where are we? California? So yeah, having a standard capacity of 22 or higher for ususal mags, is nice. I like them, and obviouls I love out of darts, a friendly, intelligent cool guy. And I think I may need to pick some of them up, paint them bright pink and show some airsofters why nerf is an awesome hobby...by basically outperforming them ;D
i want an injection molded brass breach kit like the one on blaster tech but ALOT stronger cause they keep breaking
PS injection molded lynx when lol
For anyone interested in the injection molding process... czcams.com/video/RMjtmsr3CqA/video.html
Now I’m interested in how you make/design your mold!
I love the engineerguy's videos! I only wish he'd post more often. - Perry
**Pulls out comically large MP5 mag**
Wow is that a Tachi mag in your pocket or are you just happy about injection molding?
seriously tho, thats a big mag! :D
Would this work on a Worker Phoenix 2.0?
Imagine a Tachi drum mag
will there be a slanted version for mag wells that can only take slanted
We don't currently have plans to make a slanted Tachi as the time and cost of design and molding are being spent on other products.
Time to buy 2 Lepus'
In the video he shows a lepus and the magazine doesn't stay in.
Can we get a look at the injection molding machine you guys have?
Their shop says molded in China.
How about a stacked magazine to decrease length of mag??
Who makes the mag adaptors for the Stryfe? Also could you guys make a mag adaptor for the MotoBlitz?
We have mag adapters for talon-compatible short dart mags on our shop! With a slight mod to fit the shell, you can also fit the adapter in the Motoblitz; we have a tutorial on how to do that in our complete Motoblitz Mod Guide on the channel.
@@outofdarts Thanks Luke!
Okay here me out a 12 round banana katana mag because 18 is too big for what most people are going for (aesthetic’s) and no offence but the 29 round looks a bit goofy in let’s say a stryfe just my opinion but would be super cool!
What about a talon drum?
We've heard this suggestuon a couple of times. Drums are difficult to manufacture and they don't function as reliably as a stick mag. I believe my buddy Thanh has designed a Talon compatible "drum" (which is more like a C-mag) that you can 3D print if you want to scratch that itch.
Personally, I'm looking forward to taking a look at the Dart Zone Max Tomcat. Just waiting for it to hit Target shelves in my area!
Congrads, you offended 95% of gun nerds in the world more
Can you shove 30 in and have it still work 29 is just a odd number lol that may only get on my nerves tho
You can load 30 in a pinch. Keep in mind you would add more compression to the darts and they might wear faster. - Perry
Have you guys or anyone else tried this mag in the Conquest Pro yet?