What should we allow in Sports? - Trans Athletes, PEDs, and ethics.
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2022
- Hans Neimann was accused of cheating recently in a rather... colorful way.
Whether he did it or not will probably stay a mystery, but the conversation led to a broader argument. As our world evolves, so do our sports and their ethics. Eventually, a question arises: Should we allow trans athletes -More specifically, male-to-female ones- to compete against women? What about PEDs? Are they cheats, or a necessity?
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This is the only conversation where saying “he is just built different” is a valid argument
The Spermacist is always on the verge of actually having a point before very suddenly reminding you that he IS, in fact, a clinical psychopath that pours milk before the cereal.
He initially had me in that video, but kept losing me as the video went on.
@ take for example his "women in the bathroom" rant. I thought he was gonna say they compete to see who looks more beautiful in there, & that trans people are immune to this competition as they will always see themselves as beautiful, but instead he went on about... _pooping._
Pouring milk before the cereal is natural, cause then you can decide if you want to warm it up or not
@@Soul.Resonant it seems supremacist is not the only psychopath
@@Soul.Resonant I get the reference, but even still, You monster
I love how Spermacist is just an absolute agent of chaos. The man is a troll of the highest order, but the kind that doesn't hurt people and just makes them laugh. What a chad.
Honestly yeah , that is the fun way of trolling , instead of just spewing racist slurs
indeed
Just the fact that he doesn't uses he to refer to transwomen and she to transmen, already makes him way more bearable than most trolls
chaotic good
I was thinking the same thing, he's the only kind of troll that's tolerable. One that's just genuinely goofin and not being rude for no reason.
The Spermacist is a fucking wild rollercoaster that goes off and on the rails so often I can't help but smile at the insanity he spews. He's like a golfer who swings in the opposite direction of the hole, hits 4 trees, and somehow lands on the green a decent amount of the time.
Except he not only never manages to putt it in, but realizes halfway through that he has, in fact, been bowling the whole time.
@@bitingapotato3277 while somehow saving the earth from a underlaying planteral threat.
he sure is on a different plane of thinking than us. whether its higher or lower is yet to be seen
He’s like a bootleg Zizek
@@charlespedersen5752 higher - definitely higher.
I’m stealing Harry’s “my source is common sense” line
the natural evolution of "My source is I made it the fuck up"
Isnt that like an actual falacy
@@guillermostreiger2307 Yes. But it's obvious, it would be like asking someone how they know gravity is a force pulling down instead of pushing down. You could do a full scientific analysis to explain why, or you could say "It's obvious." It's the lazy route.
@@guillermostreiger2307 "Argument from incredulity," or an appeal to common sense, is an argument that uses personal belief that something must be the case as proof that it is the case. However, "common sense" in Harry's appeal is just him asserting that basic logic backs up his assertion. He then provides arguments for such logic, so it's non-fallacious.
@@darthtace You shouldn't underestimate the role that common sense and intuition plays in the philosophical process. Logic is typically presented as a way to synthesize new ideas from a disparate collection of data. However, analyzing my own thought processes, I've found the opposite to be the case. Logic for me is a way to work backwards from a conclusion I've already made subconsciously in an effort to justify it to others and myself. We're fully capable of finding answers, we just need to know what we're looking for ahead of time. This paradox is solved by the magic of intuition.
Harry is so impressively knowledgeable in the most random things and thus he just happens to be god tier in these debates
Explains why he is von karma
Bro the chess drama is super basic, anyone following chess lately knows about it
@@rgddydshevchenko2448 I learned about it through the anarchychess subreddit, and I still cannot believe it has not been invented by those redditors.
@@rgddydshevchenko2448 Its less that he knows the drama and more that he can drop a super long form analysis, showing that no matter what the guy would've lost anyway, and that the supposed cheater was making bad moves the wouldn't make sense if they were cheating
So true
Spermacist is too good at making even the wildest arguments sound half-reasonable.
Didn't Harry say that concentration camps and genocide weren't bad and he still had reasonable-sounding arguments in those videos (most of those atleast)?
@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 Yes. They sounded reasonable because most of them were actually logical. This, however, exposes the truth behind the myth of logic: even if something is logical, it doesn't mean it is a right way of thinking. Nazis could logically explain their motivations, but their worldview was still bullshit, because they based their arguments on flawed foundations that they assumed were true. This, and also Harry is a truly magnificent troll.
@@LuzikArbuzik77 so you literally just have to think that it is logical to sound logical?
gonna try that
@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 Yuor vietnamese?
@@Chris_HT diaspora, was born there but lived there for like, only a few years so...
I will forever align myself with The Spermacist. He is entirely insane and yet makes perfect sense. He is a superior being.
Indeed he is. Never have I seen such a perfect and respectful man.
Same
He is both not sexist and makes wildly incorrect assumptions about women
@@ilovecairns5181 you can't deny these assumptions aren't nonsensical though
Like the spermacist, they do make sense
In their own crazy way
Yes perfect sense… OH SHI YOUR RIGHT
22:45
Caffeina:"Hnnnnnnnn... I'm not high enough for this sh*t"
The Supermacist:
"I am not high.
That is my entire point.
I do not need drugs, I already am a higher specimen"
Ceffeina: "I think you're definetely a specimen..."
This legit feels like a bit from a (more mature) Ace Attorney game XD
I just want to thank French Baguette Intelligence for respecting the hyphen in Spider-Man
Spider_man.
@@manganesegoblin981 Spider+Man
@@directrix777shinyshinyamyt4 Spider=man
Spidered Man.
@@bananajoe8412 spider^man
Harry is such a talented man, he manages to have a meaningful discussion while making dinner. Truly a phenomenal being.
Well I mean in the discord he often posts his meals, also hello overdrive
@@2008DodgeChallenger sup Umbreon
I wasn't expecting Harry's thorough chess analysis but I'm all up for it.
"Name one gay chess player" caught me off guard lmao.
"You're still talking about Swimming?"
God, Caffeina is a delight. Harry is also just amazing with his random in-depth Trivia knowledge.
Edit: "We are happy to shit with our brothers, and if sisters wish to join in then so be it."
This whole fucking part was so surreal and honestly disgustingly wholesome?? Holy shit, I didn't expects lines that raw.
Also, is it weird that I shouted "YES! HE MADE DINNER!" when Harry broke out of his pause at the very end?
That actually made me wonder why is it that transphobic discourse focuses so much on trans women on bathrooms meanwhile trans men are left completely out of the picture, I get that it's because women are seen as weak people that need the protection of a man and that man often project their predatory tendencies on other men but it's still kind of weird how even if you ask hardcore conservatives they are much more likely to be ok with a trans men on the men's bathrooms than they would be with a trans woman on the woman's bathroom
@@airplanes_aren.t_real it’s because the people doing the whole issue-creation thing don’t actually care about protecting women - they care about *scaring* them. They further assume that men are not scared of women (which is rather revealing on its own). Thus, they don’t bother preventing a trans man from using the bathroom that matches their gender.
Pretty much every fear-mongering-based inconsistency follows the same route - even the Bible only forbids a man lying with another man, for heaven’s sake! (It also doesn’t actually forbid that either, but I find the passage hilarious)
@@Toberumono thanks I didn't think about that, kinda surprised that the who "gay is gross lesbian is hot" mindset jas existed for so long
@@airplanes_aren.t_real combination of 1. trans women don't have an """excuse""" to be who they are: trans men can be explained away as "women who are confused" or "lesbians who are exploiting the patriarchy", because being a man is known to have widespread benefits (even though being a trans man is different, and carries a lot of negative weight just like being a trans woman does in todays world) and 2. trans women are women and thus are fighting for basic rights just like many other marginalized groups
@@trigger7ff6 When is the widespread benefit DLC coming? I really could use it right now lol
I can't express how much this dynamic entertains me. Caffeina usually the little jokester who puts a silly joke in the middle of a conversation like a fey, but with The Spermacist being.... a specimen she is completely stunned by his... performance. But Harry; Harry is a cold man. He moves elegantly yet confidently throughout any debate. He's like Hades not phased by Cerberus at his side.
There's something wrong with you
I like how in his debut in “Americans vs French Food” spermacist appeared to be a normal dude, even if a bit uneducated, but he’s absolutely fucking insane in every subsequent appearance
*Harry standing in silence at the end of the video*
...He's gonna talk about what he ate, isn't-
"For today's dinner, I made roast poussin with venison stuffing, goose-fat fondant potatoes, garlic-flavoured sauteed broccoli, and Port gravy."
“MY SOURCE IS COMMON SENSE” THESE DEBATES ARE TOO GOOD I CANT DO THIS ANYMORE
Ayo what are you doing here?
@@ltg3124 I love this channel lol if you look at the Lighting McQueen vid I think I have a comment on there that somehow got 1k likes
The last minutes of the conversation felt like a fever dream.
Chess, women, comic books, and rectal references.
This is the FBI video of all time
Spermacist take on bathrooms was the most big brain moment of this entire channel. My man is just in another plain of existance entirely
Honestly, this man, The spermacist, he is indeed the pinnacle of men. Says what he wants, is reasonable to those of many natures and thoughts, yet has the theories people only dream of saying. Its glorious.
Then you remember he pours milk before cereal
@@Mekmassimochannel the man has expressed why he does this. Truly, he does not care about the status quo.
@@Charming_Charlien I honestly still dont know why foreigners put cereal first, it make the cereal soggy af, instead, with milk first, you can eat cereal still crunchy
@@SkeithSheep If it takes you like 5 years to pour the milk then sure, but otherwise it makes literally no difference, your reasoning is very misplaced.
As for why to actively pour cereal first? You can always guarantee that you have the perfect amount of milk for any given amount of cereal, and also guarantee that the bowl is never filled too much just because you were pouring enough cereal to match the respective amount of milk already in it. Of course, this reasoning falls apart if you simply gain enough experience with the milk first method to know the proper amounts off the top of your head, but once you start using a different kind of bowl you're likely back to square one, so cereal first wins because of its versatility. As another bonus, no matter the density of the cereal, pouring the milk afterwards will guarantee that all the cereal becomes wet before you attempt to eat it, as opposed to cereal sometimes floating on top of the milk and the top layer consequentially staying dry.
@@Marshall.R I always make a exact amount of milk, a whole cup of milk fitst and then pour it into the bowl (i use powdered milk, is less expensive) and it made it well to me, after finishing the cereal i can repeat if i have time, or just drink the milk with a slight sweet taste
The switch from anal beads theory to Sauron's cockring theory had me cackling
One time I accidentally walked into a women's restroom and saw them competing; I am now scared for life and go to therapy for this. My therapist tries to tell me that these shit competitions in the women's restrooms aren't real, but my therapist is a man so how would he know?
Edit number 1: my therapist told me he's trans and has been in the women's restrooms before he transitioned and he's never seen these shit competitions. I still don't believe him though
Edit 2: so I asked my girlfriend who I trust very much if this ever happened. She's never lied to me so I trust that she'll tell me the truth. But she told me she's never seen it happen. Did my girlfriend lie to me? Or am I actually just crazy? I know my girlfriend wouldn't lie to me, but I know what I saw. They were shitting and were writing on the wall everyone's score and shit. I wasn't just hallucinating this, was I?
Edit number 3: I need to know if what I saw was real. I'm going to pretend to be a woman and see if these shit competitions are real. And I'm doing this for the knowledge I'm not a pervert!
Edit number 4: it's all real. Every time I've gone into the women's bathroom they were doing it. My therapist, my girlfriend. They lied to me!
Edit number 5: I have now joined the shitting competitions. And damn I can see why women love doing these shit competitions! They're actually really fun.
Edit number 6: I'm surprised that I haven't been questioned about my gender yet even though in the shitting competitions we have our pants off. Im not trans but It actually feels nice being one of the girls I'm not trans though.
Edit number 7: I asked them about why they never kicked me out of the competition and said that they can sense if there is a women near by and if there is a man nearby they pretend like they aren't having a shitting competition just in case. And since they sensed that I was a woman (shit I might actually be trans) they let me join. I guess that explains why my therapist never saw them doing it. Doesn't explain why my gf said she never saw them doing it though.
Edit number 8: aight so my gf came out as trans and is now my bf. I'm also his gf now
Well obviously they wouldn't have included him in the shit competitions; he's a man
@@littlegeek5159 yeah
how the fuck did this take place in 2 hours
@@hangfire5944 speedrun
@qoiauve a wholesome journey of discovery mediated by ladies' pooping competitions
...You know. As a woman, it is... interesting how many times me and my best friend told each other to come 'look at the size of what we just did' in the bathroom so... maybe he's onto something.....
Wait fr???
@@airplanes_aren.t_real yeah. Behind their long hair, long lashes, smooth skin, pleasantly shaped curves, soft and soothing high-pitched voices, and the graceful way in which they carry themselves, women are absolutely disgusting behind closed doors. Have you ever taken a look at a women's restroom? It is worse than any male restroom I'm ever been in.
Ain’t no way bro 💀
Best bet: its just a best friend sort of deal. I think some boys do this, though at some point, we dont really mention it at all. Unless you got someone who doesnt flush the toilet (you know who you are), there is no reason to look at another dudes poop.
As a fellow woman, and to the 88% of men watching FBI's videos, don't get the wrong idea, most of us don't do that...
At least I hope so ☠️
Harry with that epic chess analysis. I'd love to watch more.
Same, very through and precise, he would be a great chess commentator
Supermacist is like that one meme with "He's a little confused, but he got the spirit"
Ultimately if every competition was completely fair there would be no winners only ties.
Amen
Yes, but I believe that most people who engage in competitive activities (other than professionals and people obsessed with winning) will tell you that their main goal is to either improve themselves through competition, or to enjoy the competition itself. Victory is just another proof that their efforts have paid off, and even that doesn't matter when there's a massive difference in ability between the competitors. Even a match that ends in a tie can be very rewarding to play, if the opponents have at least _some_ respect for each other.
Some people only care about improving and/or testing one ability in particular. For instance, a boxer won't care about being good at kicking as much as an MMA fighter, or about being heavy as much as a sumo wrestler. Giving them an environment where they can practice punching and dodging without having to worry about having inferior kicks and body weight is only going to help them enjoy what they love more. This applies to physical characteristics as well - I'm sure there are many people out there who would enjoy their hobbies/jobs so much more if they didn't have to worry about disadvantages they can do nothing about, or they simply aren't interested in eliminating for whatever reason.
In other words, that ideal fairness where every match ends in a tie is something to be strived for, as it helps different people enjoy different things without taking away from those who don't excel at everything. It's not like it can be actually achieved, so winners and losers are always going to exist - only, they're going to be determined more by their own effort than by external factors.
@@Zakaker true you simply have to right the rules on what's fair and what isn't.
Doubt it, you're excluding willpower. The most insane would win
You’re wrong. If competitions were fair it would come down to exclusively skill, knowledge, and experience
Caffeina is such a mood. Especially in such chaotic yet meaningful arguments.
I'd like to share an episode of my childhood, and reflect upon it in light of the new theory we all found out about today. When I was in middle school, there were about 3 attempts to follow me into the bathroom by some girls in my school, different ones each time. Now despite me being a guy, I have the natural genetic advantage of lactose intolerance, tempered daily by still having a passionate friendship with cheese, and thus believe I'm quite capable in outshitting most people if required. After achieving better understanding of the influence of genetics in sports, i cannot help but wonder, was i being scouted for international competition?
Maybe
Remind me to never order what you’re having
Absolutely, you outclass them by miles.
@@ALJ9000 the mindset of the weak
@@stealthy9156 *sane
Barely a minute in, and I'm already losing my shit at the sock nutella joke. A good sign
It’s funny how Caffeina and Harry mention Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth in the sense that they will be the lawyers for the lawsuit, and then the lines make it into an ace attorney video
FC would make a good defense lawyer tbh
Bowl however would make a terrible prosecutor
@@Signedcentaur He really would now that I think about it
@@Signedcentaur just like the begining of the series
@@Signedcentaur He would be a terrible prosecutor, but he would still win cases. Either with his fists or with his knife, depends on where the court is.
@@Signedcentaur bowl would make a great witness though. He’d reveal useful information based on personal preference regardless of the flow of the case and would frequently cause panic to both the prosecution and defense for no discernible reason, and his distinct mannerisms would serve as an interactive gameplay mechanic for pulling information out of hard to reach places.
An awful witness. Perfect for ace attorney.
The Spermacist and Harry are a duo I never knew I needed... But desperately want more of now!
I like how harry casually goes to bang his head while speaking perfectly normally
Minor thing about the video I wanna say since I doubt many people will mention it, but hearing Spermacist has been reading French Literature is oddly kinda neat. The specifics of it I won't comment on for I don't know the reputation, but still I appreciate the effort into something i'd honestly likely never try.
Well if you don’t know the “reputation” of French literature, here goes:
Classic literature is dominated by French literature, and no country in the world has more Nobel prizes on literature than France.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence I remember this from “Another typical French vs English debate”
@@Soul.Resonant Give this man bonus points or at least an A+
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence For a while I thought Spermacist only counted the Asterix comics as "French Literature"
I love Asterix and Obelix comics, but that is not what is usually understood by "French Literature" lol
This was easily the funniest episode yet, Spermacist was on fire in this one especially when he started talking about poop... So funny!
Honestly my whole take in the trans athletes thing is that it brings to light how silly it is to make most sports purely separate for males and females. IMO sports should be put into categories entirely devised of weight/muscle, not gender.
I mean a regular 5’6 woman isn’t beating a bloke 6’5 tall, crafted by the gods for running but neither are most blokes either, yet because they’re male, they’re put against a man who is clearly way out of their league because for some odd reason, gender is used as the biggest deciding factor.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to take everyone, men, women, trans, etc and file them into specific classes based on a combination entirely of weight, muscle, height and more so sports goes from “who is genetically superior” to “who is simply better trained and worthy of winning”?
In my eyes, that feels to be not only the fairest decision for everyone but also conveys what I believe to be the true spirit of competitive sports, much better than simply dividing it all by gender and saying “you’ll only succeed if you’re genetically built for it”
I am confused. You think weight classes don’t exist in sports?
It also helps breaking the idea that women are inherently weaker than men, by dividing sports by ability instead of gender people won't be able to justify their belief that women are weaker than men and therefore should be protected by them
Jessie gender actually made a really good video about this
@@airplanes_aren.t_real
But aside from the protection thing that is literally a fact?
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence They're trying to say to have the weight class system and other physical differing factors be the ultimate basis and toss the gender system out the water. Ignoring or simply ignorant of the fact that we have had embarrassing incidents of a professional women's soccer/football team be defeated by a high-school boys team at a significant margin. Sure the average non trained person MAY have difficulties against a trained woman athlete depending on the field but they are forgetting that they are placing athletes together regardless. The most fit of females still end up losing to the weaker of male athletes.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence I believe he wants to do away with gender and use only weight class. Or something similar, appropriate to each sport.
Track events could use height classes, to keep people of similar stride lengths together. Just for example.
The Spermacist is such an enigma. It feels like he's purposefully saying nonsense to troll while also being completely serious about everything he says at the same time.
if bowl is family guy (clear satire, but subtle as a truck) the spermacist is a political indie webseries (you never know what's serious and what's satire)
The Spermacist is quite possibly the wisest man of our time.
Considering this argument is coming from the same person that bathes in cereal, I am not too surprised by the near loss of all my currently remaining braincells.
Nice vid btw
*What I expected:* Trans debate.
*What I got:* "The moral integrity of the West was lost at Captain America".
(not that I'm complaining btw)
I (mtf, 24) for a while thought that since I was born male I was naturally stronger than cis women, until I had been on HRT for a year and a half and tried arm wrestling with a cis female coworker. She DECIMATED me. We were the same height and about the same build but she absolutely clobbered me, three times in a row. I have always been weaker than everyone else; in high school I thought women were naturally better swimmers since they kept beating me at swim tournaments. (I think I was always put up to swim against girls since the guys were so much bigger and stronger than me). So, moral of the story? Not every trans woman is built like the hulk, most of us are scrawny weak nerds who are just genetically weaker.
Also side note about bladders: Most trans women are on spirolactone to reduce their testosterone levels to low female levels, and this drug has a side effect of making you have to pee a lot. In other words, a trans woman might have a disadvantage against a cis woman in a chess tournament if we go by the pee theory.
Arm wrestling isn't actually about strength its about technique and so is swimming, Swimming is all about making sure your movements are swift and gentle
Is that a blåhaj shark pfp?
@@elokin300 haha no, it’s a long story, but it’s a reference to a member of the Yogscast who uses a shark skin for Garry’s Mod and a bunch of fans made accounts to support him. I kept the pfp in honor of my cringing days :P
@@bullet6140 yea when i was like 7 i struggled to win against my friend's 4 year-old brother and i ultimately lost lmao
Every day I learn something else about the intricacies of hormone treatment
Please, someone tell me, how old is Harry? How do you become so knowledgeable? What a role model.
Considering that things like steroids have various medical uses in things like allergy medications, I do think Harry has a point about promoting research into better and safer PEDs through sports 🤔
The steroids for allergies are not the same thing as "steroids" to be swol. Totally different
Allergies... think of betametasone
PED: testosterone
This video felt like a drug trip, can't tell if it was bad or good though. Great editing as always keep up the good work!
22:50 I LOST IT “i think you are definitely a specimen”
25:27 i was already laughing and then he hit me with the "we live in a society"
The Spermacist and Harry have suddenly becone my fav characters of this series
This reminds me of how I heard that, in boxing, is a common practice for the boxers to take on aggresive diets that include dehydration to lose weight rapidly before a competition, so they will be assigned a lower category, only to then recover that weight as soon as possible.
This makes it so, in any category except for the heaviest, if you don't use that same method, you'll actually be fighting people a whole category over your weight
Ah shit, I saw the title and I know this is going to be a very long and interesting video.
5:55
I didn't expect to read such a line at nearly 6 in the morning, but, then again, this guy is almost as absurd as Volkeh, Annie, and Snuggle...
Edit:
24:44
This guy's a fucking trip, but I love him.
Volkeh but Chaotic Good
and also buff as hell
I was waiting for another video with The Spermacist and oh boy I'm not disappointed. This is exactly what I wanted !
Now this...THIS is why I subscribed. Plus the useful/sensible pieces of wisdom spread out through the vid. I will never see Captain America the same.
The Spermacist manages to be completely insane and somehow make a valid point at the same time. He is like a kinder surprise egg. Says unexpected stuff at the most unexpected times.
Well I know this doesn't matter but my little autism brain wants to correct the superhero arguments, so here we go, get ready cuz it's a long one:
What makes Captain America a great role model isn't what he can do physically. Captain America is a good role-model because he is a good person even without his powers. In the 'First Avenger' movie, they show that the reason he was decided to become Captain America is because he is good and selfless. He jumped on what he thought was a grenade to save everyone else without a second thought, before he got his superpowers. The climax of that movie has him crashing the plane he was in (armed with missiles that were about to be shot out) into the arctic so he would save millions of people. He didn't need those powers to do the right thing in that situation.
Now Spider-Man, the Spermacist complained that Spider-Man does not use his powers to fight back against bullies which taught him to do the same. The Spermacist has missed the point. He doesn't fight back against the bullies because if he were to do so, it would expose his powers and both him and his loved ones would be easy target for Spider-Man's villains. I highly doubt the Spermacist would be targeted by super-criminals if he were to fight back against his bullies.
I don't know what he's talking about when it comes to Spider-Man creating villains. The only major Spider-Man villains I can think of who wouldn't be the way they are without him are Kraven the Hunter & Scorpion. Even in the movies, Harry Osborne is the only villain who turned to villainy thanks to Spider-Man. The villains who target Spider-Man specifically are often only targeting Spider-Man because he beat them during their first encounter. It's not Spidey's fault that villains are sore losers after he stops them from killing innocent people.
The "kill the villains" argument is one that a lot of people bring up, and I don't get it. Most (well-written) heroes who have this no killing rule have actual reasons as to why they do not, and while they might be flawed, the story will show the flaws (if it is well-written). Spider-Man experienced the loss of Uncle Ben, and has vowed to not kill anyone because he knows the pain of losing someone like that. Is that a realistic outlook? Not really, especially with people like the Green Goblin. But Spider-Man is a teenager, and as a teenager is shown to make mistakes often. There are consequences to this choice, and the stories never pretend otherwise.
And Batman. Don't get me started, I despise this argument. He doesn't kill people because the one thing he believes more than anything else is that reformation is possible. That these villains can become better people if given the chance. Society has failed them, just as it failed him when he was a child. Which is why in addition to being Batman, he uses his various companies to finance projects to improve quality of life in the city. Why he employs homeless and other mentally ill people, who have no other way of surviving in this city. It is why he sends specific villains to Arkham, a psychiatric facility, rather than a prison. And this has been proven to work. Riddler, Harley Quinn, Clayface, Catwoman, Mr. Freeze & Two-Face are only some of the villains that have become good at one point or another.
Not to mention the fear he has that he will go too far himself. Batman himself has admitted that he is mentally ill, and he is fearful that he could become as awful as the villains he fights. Not like the Joker obviously, but what about Lockup? A prison guard who took things too far at Arkham once the patients weren't listening to him, he became a dictator and created an abusive environment that he believes is actually helpful. Batman fears that he could become as harsh and cold as that, he already has trouble self-evaluating when it comes to personal relationships, how much further could it go? Aside from his moral reasons, he restrains himself because he doesn't want to become worse than the thing he is stopping.
To people who want to be like Spider-Man and Batman, they are fundamentally missing the point. These are flawed, traumatized and possibly mentally ill characters. They are not perfect, their core as a character is the fact that they struggle with being themselves. If you want a perfect superhero to look up to, Captain America and Superman are better choices. Both of them know who they are, and know how far they can push themselves. They both try not to kill, but do so when absolutely necessary. And while yes, they do struggle with their place in this world from time to time, that is overall a minor part of their characters.
I want to emphasize that Spider-Man and Batman are NOT perfectly moral. That is the point. But other heroes are moral. Although, I will admit that certain writers and most of the marketing make it seem as thought they are the peak of society. And while I can certainly say what I believe to be the true intent behind these characters, others can do the same for stories I despise. But honestly, that just makes the whole argument stupid. Nobody can be correct because nobody can agree on the correct interpretation, and there's so much content that it's not as easy as reading a single book and drawing conclusions from there. So while my point is not definitive, nobody else's point is either.
Another debate that left me in stitches, but also pondering the very nature of competition itself.
Harry mentions that Neimann has a history of cheating in online chess tournaments, but not that Carlsen decided to use an uncommon opening which he had never used before in professional tournaments (or maybe had used once? it wasn't his standard play by any means) yet Neimann played one of the best possible counters to it and claimed he "just so happened" to study that opening the night before-Carlsen wasn't playing to win, really, he intended to expose Neimann for cheating and that someone on his team leaked the information to Neimann about the opening he planned to use. Of course Carlsen did not make any explicit accusations (a smart move, in my opinion, since it means Neimann's lawsuit is pretty weak) but the information is out there and he has refused to play against Neimann and so have many other players, which will make it harder for Neimann to enter high stakes tournaments.
Sounds like skill issue on Carlsen's side
I love that whenever Harry gets completely stumped, he just resets and talk about what he ate for dinner
caffina has gone from a decently wholesome tourist to full on horny.
such is what discord does to everyone.
15:01 absolute banger warning: zacharias barnham theme from Professor Layton Vs. Phoenix Wright.
The Spermacist asking Caffeina to name 1 gay chess player. I am out cold.
Really was waiting for this one since the preview-
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The Spermacist is literally real life Max0r's Senator Armstrong from MGRR and I can't decide if I love it or not
I love how Harry will either pay full attention to a conversation and contribute interesting points rarely thought about, or completely dismiss it as silly with no in between.
The community post led me to believe it was simply Harry arguing about trans women in sports with some far less talented thinker, and I am glad to be wrong. The Spermacist may be the greatest mind of our generation.
Honestly, everything that comes out of The Spermacists mouth is comedy gold
My stomach hurts from laughing so much. I love how Harry is completely unfazed by The Spermacist’s 100% commitment to trolling.
feel the vibrations, sonny...
made me squirt a little with that one
Why do people keep blaming superheroes when it is literally the courts and justice system that is the reason these villains keep surviving? Seriously, sooner or later, you'd think they'd give these people the death penalty for the Sin Points they raked in.
It's not the fault of the super heroes, people, the courts need fixing. Much like they do in real life, honestly (though that's not saying anything but the obvious). I would personally feel LESS safe if some masked/anonymous vigilantes that have no one to answer to were out there killing whoever they felt were evil.
Yeah, if a Police Officer kills a criminal, he gets a lot of shit for it (especially if he reasonably could take them alive.) When a Super-Hero doesn't kill a criminal, he gets the same amount of shit for it. If it's within a law enforcer's power, then they should bring them in to face the justice system.
SIN POINTS *RELEASE!*
THANK YOU! I'm so tired of this "why the superheroes don't kill the villains" bullshit. They are not the law, and they shouldn't be.
@@rhadamanthys649 Except they're already acting outside of the law without answering to a higher authority except in Special Events (like Civil War/the Superhero Registration Act, or whatever the equivalent is in DC). Superheroes should obviously be allowed to kill the supervillains on their level because they've already shown no faith in the regular justice system by their very existence and behavior. No one wants Batman to kill a random Joe Schmoe the Purse Snatcher, they want him to kill The Joker, who has a kill count in the high thousands by now and can set an orphanage on fire while poison-gassing an animal shelter at the same time.
The whole argument about why Batman should kill the Joker hinges on the assumption that the Joker will ALWAYS break out of Arkham, to a frankly ludicrous degree. Then again, maybe I shouldn’t be criticizing anything in a superhero comic for being ludicrous. Regardless, the problem with Batman and the justice system in this problem isn’t their unwillingness to kill the Joker, it’s their unwillingness to look for new more secure ways to store him. If you’re still sending the Joker to Arkham after he has broken out 3 times. That’s the point where you ship him off to some top secret location on the other side of the country where none of his worshippers will ever find him and where he’ll be held in a solitary cell.
The Spermacist's silliness and harry's indifference just leads to a great dynamic and i love it
I honestly have trouble imagining that this is just a discord conversation rather than people arguing in a courthouse
Also I just realized his name was Spermacist and not Supremacist
I was expecting this to be really toxic, but it was fucking hilarious
Watching Caffeina struggle to make sense of The Supremacist wild ramblings and Harry unhinged thoughts is great content.
How do they go from a chess match to Harry presenting his food ? lmao
I have a burning feeling that Harry and The Supremacist have created a lifelong bond
all of this is making me wonder how sports will change once genetic engineering becomes a thing. i mean people complain about trans people now but what about the person who gene engineerd themselves to be stronger than a silverback gorilla? cant wait for those discussions
Honestly can't wait to see it
Suddenly my sisters inviting me to the bathroom to see the size of their logs as a kid makes a lot more sense
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This is actually a very good point. If steroids advance enough to where there is no side effects it could revolutionize the human physique
The neurodivergence is showing itself all over the place in this one. Love it.
On the subject of trans athletes: to me, the problem has nothing to do with trans athletes and everything to do with categorizing by sex. The differences between male and female bodies do absolutely exist, but are far from a true dichotomy, with exceptions and unique cases aplenty. For example, as a trans woman myself, I’m substantially weaker than my younger, cis sister, and I’m not even on t-blockers yet, which will diminish my muscle mass even further. Broad, tall, strong women exist everywhere, as do skinny, tiny men. As such, organizing sports based on gender OR sex is a ridiculous concept that’s ultimately rooted in misogyny and gender stereotypes; sports were ONLY for men for quite some time, after all.
To say any more on the matter would require a level of expertise in the mechanisms of the human body that I simply lack. However, with how modern science and medicine is, I’m sure a team of experts would have little problem creating an altogether new system of athletic categorization. Preferably with more than two categories, as doing so runs the risk of turning into a cheap, disingenuous recreation of the male/female categorization. I think four would be appropriate, since it matches the vocal categorization system used by choirs that is often but not always determined by sex. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and a discussion in the replies would be welcomed.
total agree!!
I agree with this for yet another reason, intersex individuals, for example, outwardly presenting as a woman, but with underdeveloped male genitalia within their body. Sometimes comes with raised t-levels, too. Where do they fit in? They were legally a woman all their life, then puberty hits, they receive both large amounts of estrogen and testosterone naturally, develop along both male and female trajectories. They don't fall within the binary and can't "fairly" compete in either category, which means they might be excluded from participating on the basis of birth. *That* is a problem.
In competitions the strongest/fastest/most physically fit are the ones who make it. The existence of weaker males and stronger females doesn't change the fact that the strongest male human will always be stronger than his female counterpart. That's why competitions are divided by sex, not gender identity.
@@Darostelijaa Okay? I wasn’t advocating for categorization by gender identity. If you’d actually read what I said, you’d see that was the case.
I think even more than four categories would be great. Make complicated categories based on muscle mass, cardio, heigh, and other relevant physical characteristics.
I feel like this is where Harry began to think the world would be better off without sex.
I felt Caffina's pain when Spermist talked about Marvel... But I do love how consistent Harry was about the facts and honesty needed for the Olympics. Also that dude got real weird as it went along... thank fuck Harry saved the conversation near the end with food. Love your videos, they remain as informative diegetic conversations had between people. I'm surprised to say I ended up agreeing with Harry so much this time, usually I'd disagree with his conclusions about things but here, he's about as on point as he is with his cooked meals.
Reminds me of Speedrunners and their categories of any% vs any% glitchless. Both require good skill and knowledge to properly execute to get the best times. Some games require good RNG others strong timing with a bit of luck and a good finger. Runs done with a TAS which would be cheating in either of these categories, have their own leaderboard for runners to implement tricks one could only do with the tool, but others that humans with enough training can implement in the any% category (with some exceptions to 100% where it may not be worth it).
Spermacist will make the most crazy, wild statement followed by a never before seen explanation and i'll be watching it like 'what the fuck??'
Then he'll compare it to the masterful works of tolkien and I can't help but agree.
When Harry showed his dinner at the end of the vid, it relieved my mind of all mental fatigue...
Talk about a palette cleanser.
Bro we are having so many videos lately ❤ i love it here
This is not even a debate, this is just one of those news or commentary videos or opinions or whatever people call it
Podcasts?
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence technically yeah
I think calling it a commentary video is more accurate, I am just overthinking it because of something that happened a year ago
Harry just straight up dropping the topic at the end killed me.
I would argue on the bit of non-killing superheroes actually being a threat rather than helping their worlds to talk about a wider issue about "is it bad not to exterminate evil/supervillains?"
I agree aith the bit the status quo has to remain, otherwise if Spiderman was to kill a villain every issue or two, they would have to constantly create new ones to pit him against. However now that mutilverses have happened (and stakes were pretty much rendered non existing imo) we see that even if Spiderman or whatever was to wipe out his world they would still turn out fine, so it looks like the writers found wiggle way to get away with it.
But is it really true that evil has to be eradicated by killing its heralds, just like in J.R.R. Tolkien's Arda?
I mean, I would say it depends on the context. Villains like Sauron or Morgoth embody pure, unadultered evil. There are no redeeming qualities about it. They are the personification of everything wicked in the entire world, there is no saving them and they can only corrupt others to be as bad as them by serving them. And that is a great way of writing, since there is a clear white and black contrast about good and evil.
However in the real world, things are different. Beccaria's "On Crimes and Punishments" believe that sentencing to death a criminal only incentivises criminal behaviour on others, since the drawback of committing even the most evil crime will be dealt swiftly and relatively painlessly. What is, in fact, a final moment of pain before an entire life one could be indulging on crime?
That is why in most countries and it is a widespread belief, sentencing jail time, and causing the inmate to waste time thinking about their crime and reinsert themselves into society is a far better punishment.
Most fiction depicts villains not just as unchangeable, irredeemable forces, and that causes us to see the world in many shades of grey. Villains can be persuaded to help and turn a new leaf, heroes can do the opposite. In a grey-world, if the hero of the story were to chop away at every person that is evil without giving them a second chance, just because they -could- be doing evil again, would they be a hero slowly becoming a villain by trying to push an ideal inapplicable to reality?
What about if the hero would get to know a person in the future *may* become a villain? Would they be forced to act in the most brutal of manners least blood of innocents would be on their hand?
I stand my ground and say there is a place and a time for pacifist heroes. Pacifism does not mean standing idle and letting injustice happen, is to intervene and give a chance for both sides to mend with the other through time once a punishment is administered to fair measure, rather than divide those furtherly.
And that's all. Here I am arguing with myself over a line on a video that may have been sarcastic.
In that case imagine a giant noisy plane labeled "the point" flying above me.
it isnt often but it was a relief when Harry was speaking this episode. i was losing braincells everytime the spermacist opened his mouth. if i didnt know better id swear this was some kind of overdrawn bit. also, it isn't often, but i pretty much completely agree with Harry on this one. as long as someone monitors it, PEDs in sports used legally and ethically could probably help a lot in the general medical field.
You lost those brain cells simply because you fail to understand a superior being like the Spermacists logic.
I almost thought I wouldn’t get to hear what harry made for dinner, but I’m glad we got to find out in the end (literally)
Welp, all I can say is that I was right about the Premium High Quality Content thing i commented on the community page.
These videos are always so entertaining. Keep up the good work.
Caffeina: Oh, I could totally keep up with him...
Harry: In swimming, right?
Caffeina: . . .
when FC is not present, discord hell is activated
I'm more curious about the grey area in terms of using Adderal for competitors who may legitimately need it, such as people with ADD and ADHD. Would it still be considered cheating if they're given medical reasons for their usage? Of course, one issue that comes to mind is how easy it is to fake ADD and ADHD as the symptoms can overlap with many other conditions. As someone who has their struggles with ADHD sometimes it can be difficult to find the discipline to do everyday tasks like wash the dishes, etc. So I can't imagine someone with ADHD in a chess tournament without their medicine having much success.
I would like more videos of Harry analyzing chess games. Or anything actually
Also the spermacists backstory moved me to tears. Truly one of the movies of all time.
Harry is a delight.
Spermacist is clinically insane, I love him
I know nothing about chess, but it sounds interesting at least.
It's cool to hear about things from someone who knows a lot, though in this case it's very confusing💀
Edit: i feel entertained and thoroughly confused after watching all the video, I think I appreciate it
Of course Harry brings up the Incredibles. Lmao
Spermacist is batshit insane in the most fun way possible
Thanks for the upload! Btw, it's been a long time since Em show up in your video. Where did she go? Is she okay?
Harry ate her.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence I cant believe em was a vegan. Deserved