The Longest Forced Checkmate I've Ever Seen!

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  • @MrEsMysteriesMagicks
    @MrEsMysteriesMagicks Pƙed rokem +33336

    I had this very position in a tournament just last week. I announced mate in 130 and my opponent said, "I was wondering if you'd see that." and he immediately resigned.

    • @dimanarinull9122
      @dimanarinull9122 Pƙed rokem +2420

      I am somewhat skeptical about the possibility of that board appearing in a real game. there are at least 13 pawn captures out of the 14 total captures for black's position. and all of those must be in the correct direction.
      not to mention the queen capture by white and the promotion of one of the center pawns so the game probably needs to be played with the specific intention of reaching this position and even that would be nerve-wreckingly difficult.

    • @demix_remix3712
      @demix_remix3712 Pƙed rokem +3073

      @@dimanarinull9122 dude the comment is a joke

    • @yuridapted7459
      @yuridapted7459 Pƙed rokem +1485

      @@demix_remix3712 so is the reply you replied to

    • @user-rizzwan
      @user-rizzwan Pƙed rokem +149

      your a ultra gm bro

    • @wizfizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz1047
      @wizfizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz1047 Pƙed rokem +267

      @@yuridapted7459 I don’t think a reverse woooosh is a thing


  • @RGC_animation
    @RGC_animation Pƙed rokem +13194

    POV: You made one slight mistake and the GM you're playing against mates you in 130 moves.

    • @user-qu2bp8zt6f
      @user-qu2bp8zt6f Pƙed rokem +34

      its you.... ok

    • @proudzerzurancitizen
      @proudzerzurancitizen Pƙed rokem +539

      one slight mistake of lining up 5 pawns on h

    • @robertnagy3942
      @robertnagy3942 Pƙed rokem +4

      @@proudzerzurancitizen Just a teeny tiny little whoopsie daisy

    • @viktoraxa8963
      @viktoraxa8963 Pƙed rokem +117

      This stuff dont happen from one small mistake ;-; the player is in need of jesus if they manage to put themselves into this position

    • @RGC_animation
      @RGC_animation Pƙed rokem +96

      ​@@viktoraxa8963 Jesus can't even save you from this position

  • @ropemox5550
    @ropemox5550 Pƙed rokem +39

    Stockfish: 1 missed win
    The missed win:

  • @kevinc9537
    @kevinc9537 Pƙed rokem +2677

    I'm more impressed at how the existence of one extra rook turns a mate in 1 into a mate in 130

    • @shatranj
      @shatranj Pƙed rokem +10

      haha

    • @SyenPie
      @SyenPie Pƙed rokem +7

      lmaoo

    • @waffle1261
      @waffle1261 Pƙed rokem +120

      Rook needs a nerf

    • @codysewell4775
      @codysewell4775 Pƙed rokem +57

      Takes an absolute madlad to put their rook in front of a literal column of pawns too lol

    • @Nullicity
      @Nullicity Pƙed rokem +1

      add another rook

  • @drenkata
    @drenkata Pƙed rokem +13376

    Imagine playing chess and *m130* appearing on the evaluation bar.

    • @Funnyguyooo
      @Funnyguyooo Pƙed rokem +497

      Imagine playing chess and using engine to cheat
      Edit: my comment was a joke too

    • @Fajowski50
      @Fajowski50 Pƙed rokem +646

      @@Funnyguyooo i dont think that's what he was saying. calm down.

    • @vincehomoki1612
      @vincehomoki1612 Pƙed rokem +135

      As he said, stockfish can't even figure it out

    • @josiahkiehl510
      @josiahkiehl510 Pƙed rokem +42

      @@vincehomoki1612 yea but he was just joking

    • @Mutaburasaurus
      @Mutaburasaurus Pƙed rokem +297

      "Missed win"

  • @Chikov2
    @Chikov2 Pƙed rokem +6151

    Damn I only saw first 125 moves

    • @gaopinghu7332
      @gaopinghu7332 Pƙed rokem +412

      Come on, don't lie.
      We all know you are Alphazero trying to be humble, we all know you saw it.

    • @gsas3012
      @gsas3012 Pƙed rokem +65

      Damn I was one move away đŸ˜„

    • @Charky32
      @Charky32 Pƙed rokem +101

      @@gsas3012 Ever heard of a joke?

    • @technobladeneverdies7893
      @technobladeneverdies7893 Pƙed rokem +74

      @@gsas3012 u couldn’t even tell that was sarcasm lol

    • @wiscorpio72
      @wiscorpio72 Pƙed rokem +10

      I've been counting 125 moves too. I think it would've been record setting if the pawn a5 started on a6, another pawn move, another run of the 5 move maneuver.

  • @barryallen3904
    @barryallen3904 Pƙed rokem +807

    This brings me back to the time when I had this EXACT situation with my father, that was one heck of an unforgettable game

    • @henri9193
      @henri9193 Pƙed rokem +43

      me too but after i win in 130 moves my father went to buy milk

    • @jeffersondavis42
      @jeffersondavis42 Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci

      bro whatt😭@@henri9193

    • @kurzackd
      @kurzackd Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci +1

      I don't understand the joke / reference... :O

    • @luqmaanhay4957
      @luqmaanhay4957 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci +8

      @@kurzackd the joke is that nobody would actually come across this position, so that's why people are making jokes

    • @RetroEfx
      @RetroEfx Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      Is this possible

  • @chessbot2306
    @chessbot2306 Pƙed rokem +569

    This exact same position occurred when i played one of my friend we agreed to a draw because i calculated 129 move but not the last one ...ah good old days

    • @ThemeParkTips.
      @ThemeParkTips. Pƙed rokem

      Stop lying bro no one believes you

    • @usan805
      @usan805 Pƙed rokem +4

      đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł

  • @Nonkel_Jef
    @Nonkel_Jef Pƙed rokem +6298

    New puzzle idea: try to find a sequence of moves that leads to this starting position.

    • @M0nst3rGamingyt
      @M0nst3rGamingyt Pƙed rokem +52

      😆😆

    • @BardyYasha
      @BardyYasha Pƙed rokem +198

      that must be really fun actually

    • @conconOT
      @conconOT Pƙed rokem +42

      was thinking the same thing

    • @m.j.9318
      @m.j.9318 Pƙed rokem +138

      Seriously :is that possible? Then this would be the longest game ever with a forced checkmate

    • @mcd4984
      @mcd4984 Pƙed rokem +735

      On it
      1. h4 Nc6 2. h5 Nb8 3. h6 gxh6 4. g4 Nc6 5. g5 Nb8 6. g6 fxg6 7. f4 Nc6 8. f5 Nb8 9. f6 exf6 10. e4 Nc6 11. e5 Nb8 12. e6 dxe6 13. Rh5 gxh5 14. Nh3 Nc6 15. Ng5 fxg5 16. a4 Nb8 17. a5 Nc6 18. a6 bxa6 19. b4 Nb8 20. b5 Nc6 21. b6 cxb6 22. Ra5 bxa5 23. d3 Qf6 24. d4 Qf4 25. Bxf4 Kd7 26. Bg3 Nb4 27. Bh4 gxh4 28. d5 Kc7 29. d6+ Kc6 30. d7 Kc5 31. d8=Q Nd3+ 32. Kd2 Kb4 33. Bh3 Be7 34. Qxe7+ Ka4 35. Bf5 exf5 36. Qg7 Nf6 37. Qgg4+ fxg4 38. Nc3+ Ka3 39. Ne4 Bd7 40. Nf2 Ba4 41. Nh3 gxh3 42. Qg4 Nf2 43. Qd4 N6g4 44. Kc1 Bxc2 45. Kd2 Ba4 46. Qd5 Nh1 47. Kc3 Nh2 48. Kd2 Nf1+ 49. Kc3 Rab8 50. Kd3 Rb1 51. Kc3 Ra1 52. Kc4 Bc2 53. Kd4 Kb2 54. Kc4 a4 55. Kd4 a3 56. Kc4 a2 57. Kb4 Kb1 58. Ka3 a5 59. Qd4 Ba4 60. Qd3+ Kc1 61. Qd7 Kb1 62. Qd6 Rc8 63. Qd5 Rc2 64. Qe4 Ne3 65. Qd4 Nf1

  • @Misteribel
    @Misteribel Pƙed rokem +3982

    Just had this position in rapid yesterday. Obviously, I found the right move, but then lost on time, no bonus seconds.

  • @aoyuki1409
    @aoyuki1409 Pƙed rokem +679

    holy fucking shit dude this is so amazing and has helped me to win against my 7 year old brother who started to play chess and we had this exact position and i told him there's a mate in 130 moves but he didnt believe it so we took the time to play the 130 move sequence and it was such a huge victory that he went crying to my mom

    • @ieatingmilk
      @ieatingmilk Pƙed rokem +11

      Stop lying. Stop.

    • @fyroboi2053
      @fyroboi2053 Pƙed rokem +69

      That's great man i was only able to find 127 moves but you manged it your mom would be so proud of you

    • @glub1381
      @glub1381 Pƙed rokem +71

      @@ieatingmilk you're OP's brother aren't you

    • @snifferrr
      @snifferrr Pƙed rokem +10

      @@ieatingmilk r/woooosh

    • @quikwo
      @quikwo Pƙed rokem +5

      @@ieatingmilk okay I eating milk. thank you for your wise words of wisdom

  • @ethanandrews3076
    @ethanandrews3076 Pƙed rokem +353

    I’m so glad you made this video! I’ve always hated getting this position in game, but now I know what to do.

  • @meisstupid1831
    @meisstupid1831 Pƙed rokem +1204

    yea dude, totally gonna find this position my normal game

    • @whocares2277
      @whocares2277 Pƙed rokem +59

      It's still theory.

    • @arahman56
      @arahman56 Pƙed rokem +29

      Lol, even 3200 Stockfish just threefolds.

    • @user-ch2kt8mz4b
      @user-ch2kt8mz4b Pƙed rokem +26

      y i usual have this postioin like every 2 games from 5, common and standard as hell)

    • @dexlus7593
      @dexlus7593 Pƙed rokem

      @@user-ch2kt8mz4b lol

    • @anti-spiral159
      @anti-spiral159 Pƙed rokem +6

      Man, Yesterday I had this position, and I yelled "It's 130 Time"

  • @lordtanatos84kmkn59
    @lordtanatos84kmkn59 Pƙed rokem +1329

    This pawn structure can in theory be achieved by sacrificing 13 pieces and white has lost 14, just saying.

    • @TheGrinningSkull
      @TheGrinningSkull Pƙed rokem +65

      But don’t forget white lost 8 pawns that could have somehow promoted. With the 4 minor pieces and 2 rooks..

    • @Lagger625
      @Lagger625 Pƙed rokem +219

      The real puzzle here is both players trying to legally come into this position

    • @senorgrafton3334
      @senorgrafton3334 Pƙed rokem +138

      @@Lagger625 The credit is not mine, but here is the solution:
      1. h4 Nc6 2. h5 Nb8 3. h6 gxh6 4. g4 Nc6 5. g5 Nb8 6. g6 fxg6 7. f4 Nc6 8. f5 Nb8 9. f6 exf6 10. e4 Nc6 11. e5 Nb8 12. e6 dxe6 13. Rh5 gxh5 14. Nh3 Nc6 15. Ng5 fxg5 16. a4 Nb8 17. a5 Nc6 18. a6 bxa6 19. b4 Nb8 20. b5 Nc6 21. b6 cxb6 22. Ra5 bxa5 23. d3 Qf6 24. d4 Qf4 25. Bxf4 Kd7 26. Bg3 Nb4 27. Bh4 gxh4 28. d5 Kc7 29. d6+ Kc6 30. d7 Kc5 31. d8=Q Nd3+ 32. Kd2 Kb4 33. Bh3 Be7 34. Qxe7+ Ka4 35. Bf5 exf5 36. Qg7 Nf6 37. Qgg4+ fxg4 38. Nc3+ Ka3 39. Ne4 Bd7 40. Nf2 Ba4 41. Nh3 gxh3 42. Qg4 Nf2 43. Qd4 N6g4 44. Kc1 Bxc2 45. Kd2 Ba4 46. Qd5 Nh1 47. Kc3 Nh2 48. Kd2 Nf1+ 49. Kc3 Rab8 50. Kd3 Rb1 51. Kc3 Ra1 52. Kc4 Bc2 53. Kd4 Kb2 54. Kc4 a4 55. Kd4 a3 56. Kc4 a2 57. Kb4 Kb1 58. Ka3 a5 59. Qd4 Ba4 60. Qd3+ Kc1 61. Qd7 Kb1 62. Qd6 Rc8 63. Qd5 Rc2 64. Qe4 Ne3 65. Qd4 Nf1

    • @M4niacks2
      @M4niacks2 Pƙed rokem +21

      @@Lagger625 Not really a hard puzzle tho, just tedious

    • @Dark_Voice
      @Dark_Voice Pƙed rokem +5

      The Pentapawn in the right side wouldnt happen ever imo.

  • @user-pz3fr2vy4v
    @user-pz3fr2vy4v Pƙed rokem +7

    Imagine you’re playing, everything is fine, you got lots of material advantages, then your opponent just says “Looks like someone blundered a mate in 130”

  • @AM_-wg1hj
    @AM_-wg1hj Pƙed rokem +18

    5:55 watch it with your eyes closed lol

  • @BorisGamingChannel
    @BorisGamingChannel Pƙed rokem +1110

    I think I've seen a study with a 500 something forced checkmate, because instead of being like a 6 move sequence for zugzavang like it was here, I think it was like 20 or something. Great video!

    • @-zelda-
      @-zelda- Pƙed rokem +71

      Those forced checkmates are prevented by the 50 move rule

    • @jayure1346
      @jayure1346 Pƙed rokem +93

      @-Zelda- studies usually are made ignoring that rule

    • @-zelda-
      @-zelda- Pƙed rokem +19

      @@jayure1346 usually not*

    • @jayure1346
      @jayure1346 Pƙed rokem +112

      Also if you even watched the video you would’ve seen pawns moved which reset the 50 move rule

    • @-zelda-
      @-zelda- Pƙed rokem +56

      ​@@jayure1346 I don't think you read the comment I was replying to. They are talking about the "mate in 549" which is a mate prevented by the 50 move rule

  • @mcbescheiden725
    @mcbescheiden725 Pƙed rokem +345

    Just had this position, nice common idea!

  • @MistaMyers
    @MistaMyers Pƙed 10 měsĂ­ci +15

    if you can't remember the checkmate in 130, Qb2+ results in a forced stalemate after Rxb2

  • @TurtonatorGuy
    @TurtonatorGuy Pƙed rokem +73

    Dang, I always forfeit when I end up in this position! I’ll have to write this on my arm next time so I know what to do next time it happens.

  • @awang_ir
    @awang_ir Pƙed rokem +57

    Chess master: I see force mate in 130 moves
    Me: ouch! I do NOT see mate in 1

    • @ckv1985
      @ckv1985 Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

      You elo 10 me elo 529

    • @MothamChess
      @MothamChess Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      My elo 1800 idiots

    • @mhm6421
      @mhm6421 Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      ​@@ckv1985me elo 2000

  • @nikhileshkhanna482
    @nikhileshkhanna482 Pƙed rokem +347

    WOW, I would totally see that position in my game !!!

    • @boevoikrikun
      @boevoikrikun Pƙed rokem +28

      I actually had a position like this in my game, except I had a pawn instead of a queen

    • @user-ch2kt8mz4b
      @user-ch2kt8mz4b Pƙed rokem +4

      y i usual have this postioin like every 2 games from 5, common and standard as hell)

    • @mrrandom347
      @mrrandom347 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@boevoikrikun lol

  • @crlock_
    @crlock_ Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci +2

    When stockfish say you miss a checkmate :

  • @user-rl5fc1nm1f
    @user-rl5fc1nm1f Pƙed rokem +4

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  • @secretfish6646
    @secretfish6646 Pƙed rokem +129

    Your videos are so creative! I feel like you're the only chess youtuber out there constantly thinking of new video concepts instead of doing the same thing over and over. Keep up the amazing work!

  • @alexandrucirtu6506
    @alexandrucirtu6506 Pƙed rokem +237

    fascinating study! speaking of "the computer can't see that it's forced in 130" about how far out can they see? I'm having a little difficulty understanding why if I analyze a game it says for example white +8, yet it's not a forced checkmate yet? thanks to anyone who can clear this up for me

    • @onethegogd5783
      @onethegogd5783 Pƙed rokem +18

      How +8 means there's forced checkmate

    • @cadmiz
      @cadmiz Pƙed rokem +110

      I don't think the engine has 130 depth.

    • @kirillzakharov7336
      @kirillzakharov7336 Pƙed rokem +66

      @@onethegogd5783 if there is a checkmate it just says M any number

    • @onethegogd5783
      @onethegogd5783 Pƙed rokem +5

      @@kirillzakharov7336 thats what I'm saying huh

    • @checkmate1284
      @checkmate1284 Pƙed rokem +1

      Hello, I have made a chess engine so maybe I can try to explain.
      Chess engines have a limited range for how far they can see because the number of possible positions grows exponentially. Looking 130 moves ahead would require looking through too many positions. Because an engine cannot look ahead an infinite number of moves, the engine must use an algorithm to guess how good future positions are to determine the best move. The evaluation of a position such as +8 or -4 is the engine’s estimation of how good the future position will be assuming the best moves from each side up to a certain depth. Chess engines will say forced mate exists only if every response by one side always will lead to an eventual checkmate. Because the engine cannot look ahead 130 moves, the engine cannot assert that forced mate exists. Eventually, the chess engine will detect the mate. For Stockfish, this is probably around 20 moves away from checkmate.
      If you have an interest in building or understanding chess engines, I encourage you to take a look at the Chess Programming Wiki. It is a very useful and informative resource and it may help you understand how engines work if my explanation was insufficient or confusing.

  • @Notahuman25
    @Notahuman25 Pƙed rokem +5

    0:01 hello timed user

  • @amirjob
    @amirjob Pƙed rokem +3

    Someday in the future, when computers will be stronger, the computer will announce, in a middlegame position, mate in 300 moves.

  • @zerg7580
    @zerg7580 Pƙed rokem +76

    In chess class, I was winning against my chess teacher as black with a forced mate in 49, but I thought it was a draw so we agreed on it and analized the position and there was a forced mate in 249!! With only one pawn left in the game that was 4 squares till promotion and had to move every 50 moves to avoid a draw.
    Tablebase is one of a kind

    • @guilhermeferrao5968
      @guilhermeferrao5968 Pƙed rokem +5

      If you have a link for it it would be cool to share so others can see it!

    • @mklein6265
      @mklein6265 Pƙed rokem +42

      That's nothing compared to the mate in one million moves I recently saw in a blindfold simultan against the other 500 children in my kindergarten. I could easily calculate a million moves, but both my opponent and me agreed to a draw, because it would have taken too long for us to play so many moves. Regardless I am very proud I have seen the mate in one million moves even when playing blind. That might make me the strongest calculator in this comment section.

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@mklein6265đŸ€“

    • @mile.9768
      @mile.9768 Pƙed rokem +4

      You
 analized..?

    • @zerg7580
      @zerg7580 Pƙed rokem

      @@mile.9768 yeah buddy

  • @markythegreat
    @markythegreat Pƙed rokem +93

    Next I want a study on how on earth a pawn file like that can actually get created in the first place

    • @mattc3581
      @mattc3581 Pƙed rokem +12

      The black pawns need 13 captures to get to the sides like that. 12 of the 14 missing white pieces had to be taken by pawns to help them reach the side, the c and d pawns can't be taken in a way that helps so one of those white pawns must actually have promoted and the promoted piece taken by a black pawn to give the 13th capture necessary. History doesn't record what happened to the final lone white pawn....

    • @violetasuklevska9074
      @violetasuklevska9074 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@mattc3581 They didn't have to be promoted they could have captured the queen or darksquare bishop to change the file they were on

    • @mattc3581
      @mattc3581 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@violetasuklevska9074 good point forgot black was missing a couple of pieces as well! I think both of the black pieces would need to have been taken by white pawns in order to either move two of them across one file or one across two files to position them to enable blacks pawns to get where they need to go, but as you say that is another possibility.

  • @727wyfsi
    @727wyfsi Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci +3

    this checkmate kinda feels like solving a rubik's cube

  • @CR_SpeedCuber
    @CR_SpeedCuber Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci +3

    stockfish: missed win
    the missed win:

  • @KakoriGames
    @KakoriGames Pƙed rokem +17

    I don't know if you're familiar with Shogi, but in Shogi there are many famous mate compositions that are dozens, even hundreds of moves long. In fact, the longest mate composition is over 1500 moves long (more than 750 moves each side, in shogi each ply is counted as a move), but there are many compositions that go to the hundreds. I know chess has some fairly long checkmate sequences found in tablebases, but the shogi compositions are usually created by composers and include a lot of pieces. They're often very thematic as well, is really beautiful. You can find many of those puzzles at Hidetchi's channel on CZcams.

  • @keymasta3260
    @keymasta3260 Pƙed rokem +30

    I have seen O.T. BlĂĄthy - Cyril Banderier Checkmate in 290 moves., 1929 and some other over 200 moves checkmates

    • @wiscorpio72
      @wiscorpio72 Pƙed rokem +3

      If they're forced in 290, I'd like to see them.

    • @mnemosy
      @mnemosy Pƙed rokem

      @@wiscorpio72 Blathy is well known for these problems. Just search "Blathy mate in 290".

    • @wiscorpio72
      @wiscorpio72 Pƙed rokem

      @@mnemosy thanks

  • @clashclips414
    @clashclips414 Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +2

    What GMs see when they resign in the midgame:

  • @clashclips414
    @clashclips414 Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +2

    Hikaru be premoving the entire sequence

    • @JB-my4pp
      @JB-my4pp Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      "Thats so easy chat, how did he not see it?" 😂

  • @awesomeleozejia8098
    @awesomeleozejia8098 Pƙed rokem +38

    Thanks for the tutorial, I always get into a position with only my queen when the opponent has all his pawns on one file, but now I know how I can win from such a position!

  • @brucecallas2655
    @brucecallas2655 Pƙed rokem +34

    To everyone who thinks a forced mate in 130 is unrealistic: remember that a drunk Magnus Carlsen may appear and play against you and after your first move (he will let you play as white) he already has a checkmate in 130: he could checkmate you early but since is drunk he will treat you as his food and make you waste 129 more moves before ending the game.

  • @MukeshSaxena-mv1xo
    @MukeshSaxena-mv1xo Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci +2

    When you're at 1hp but your crush is watching:

  • @thibaud1832
    @thibaud1832 Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

    Pawns throwing themselves in the grinder one by one in a single file is hilarious.

  • @kevinstrand4596
    @kevinstrand4596 Pƙed rokem +16

    Pretty incredible, I love these videos of crazy puzzles

    • @sammy-brawlstars7350
      @sammy-brawlstars7350 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      Stockfish actually does know, it is a draw, you don't play a6 first, you move your other pawns first, and then when your last pawn is about to promote, you play a6, which stockfish deems a brilliant move and then it's a draw

  • @vinesthemonkey
    @vinesthemonkey Pƙed rokem +6

    Nelson I'd really appreciate it if you would credit the creators of these studies.
    AFAICT the study was composed by "J. Halumbirek 1955 (after O. Blathy)" given by CCC archives

    • @vinesthemonkey
      @vinesthemonkey Pƙed rokem +1

      Subject: Here are seven more ...
      Author: Jim Monaghan
      Date: 05:46:42 09/23/03
      Go up one level in this thread
      Hi Uri,
      Here are nine of the longest compositions ever. Two of them (1 and 6) are ones
      you have quoted. Note that number 4 has the longest solution.
      N. Petrovic 1969 (after J. Babson), 271 moves, Bb1
      8/Bk3p1p/1P3p2/KP2n2p/1P1p4/1Pp2p2/B1P5/7B w - - 0 1
      O. Blathy, 127 moves, Qe1+
      8/7p/7p/p4n1p/b3Q2p/K2p3p/p1r5/rk5n w - - 0 1
      O. Blathy 1929, 290 moves, Rd1+
      bBrb1B2/P1n1r2p/1Kp1Pb1p/2pk1P1p/5P2/1P2pP2/1pP1P3/1R4n1 w - - 0 1
      O. Blathy 1889, 292 moves, Qd7+
      q5nn/1p2p3/p1k1P1p1/6Pp/PKp1p1pP/8/2P1P1PP/3Q4 w - - 0 1
      L. Neweklowsky, 267 moves, Qxf6+
      1N1B3Q/1RK1b3/5q2/8/6n1/8/4Nnrp/1R3Brk w - - 0 1
      W. Jorgensen 1976, 200 moves, Qe6+
      6n1/p1BN3b/p1p3np/p1p3pq/6kr/K1P2r1p/2PPQ3/8 w - - 0 1
      J. Babson 1913, 141 moves, Qc5+
      q4b2/1pk1pPp1/p3P1P1/P4p1p/1p3P2/1p6/3K1Q1P/8 w - - 0 1
      J. Halumbirek 1955 (after O. Blathy), 130 moves, Qd1+
      8/p6p/7p/p6p/b2Q3p/K6p/p1r5/rk3n1n w - - 0 1
      O. Blathy 1890, 210 moves, Bd1
      rBb5/P2p4/P2Ppp1p/1B1p1p1B/2prn3/KRnk4/3p4/b4N1N w - - 0 1
      Cheers,
      Jim

  • @KrimzyEditz
    @KrimzyEditz Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +2

    Pov: The turns have tabled:
    Human to Stockfish: You missed mate!
    The mate:

  • @SiqueScarface
    @SiqueScarface Pƙed rokem +1

    The longest mate I know is "Mate in 182" (by Karl Fabel). Notation: White: Kc8, Re1, Nd1, Ne2, b2, g3, b5, c6. Black: Kh1, Rh2, Bg2, Ba7, Nf1, Nh3, Na8, b6, c7, g4, g6, g7, h7.

  • @abcdefgh5808
    @abcdefgh5808 Pƙed rokem +8

    jokes aside, this study was actually informative, at least the part of capturing the knights with check

  • @NidusFormicarum
    @NidusFormicarum Pƙed rokem +21

    Well, even though such a position will never occur in practice, some of the ideas might well, which is the reason grandmasters have solved hundreds of strange puzzles like this. The mian repeating manouver here actually reminds me of some common manouvers in the endgame queen vs rook. Those "micromates" are very common.

    • @anmax
      @anmax Pƙed rokem +1

      Yesterday I was playing a game that I had to do a lot of those queen’s dance moves, it was very counter intuitive when I started playing chess

  • @shxdo3712
    @shxdo3712 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci +1

    Stockfish explaining you the blunder be like :

  • @deskemp
    @deskemp Pƙed rokem +3

    this takes "Dont hold the same piece twice" to a whole another level

  • @hit8254
    @hit8254 Pƙed rokem +11

    oh thx for this technique, an hour after watching this video I found myself in a situation precisely like this one and I preceded to win, thx again

  • @TheDedictvi
    @TheDedictvi Pƙed rokem +8

    really hate when I end up in this position in games, but thanks to this video I know what to do. Thanks Chess Vibes.

  • @user-rt3fu8kb4d
    @user-rt3fu8kb4d Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +1

    Theorem : every chess game is forced mate in finite moves.

  • @alexrobinet7576
    @alexrobinet7576 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

    I love coming back to videos like this to see tempo engines in action.

  • @ryuranzou
    @ryuranzou Pƙed rokem +7

    I'd love to see the puzzle of getting all the pawns into those positions that sounds tricky.

  • @game_ender4317
    @game_ender4317 Pƙed rokem +34

    The longest forced checkmate known to exist is mate in 549 moves. It is the longest 7 piece tablebase checkmate.

    • @mauijttewaal
      @mauijttewaal Pƙed rokem +4

      but probably not legal because of the 50 move rule...

    • @vinesthemonkey
      @vinesthemonkey Pƙed rokem

      depends on if there is a pawn move or capture

    • @thesos320
      @thesos320 Pƙed rokem

      @@vinesthemonkey There isn't.

    • @thesos320
      @thesos320 Pƙed rokem

      @@vinesthemonkey Like just think about it if its a 7 piece tablebase endgame and all 5 pieces other than the kings are pawns, you could stall to 250 moves (50 moves per pawn). So no.

    • @vinesthemonkey
      @vinesthemonkey Pƙed rokem +2

      bro you know one pawn can move more than once right? every time it moves it resets the 50 move counter

  • @aymslt8743
    @aymslt8743 Pƙed rokem +1

    Kudos to the person who took the effort to put his pawns in line

  • @ostentatious16
    @ostentatious16 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci +1

    pov: when stockfish tells you you missed something

  • @trekkie1701c
    @trekkie1701c Pƙed rokem +13

    I've seen that sort of thing. Played a guy once who was apparently bad at the opening game/midgame. You'd dominate him and take all his pieces til he's down to one or two pieces aside from the King while you still have most of yours. ...Then he just destroys you and wins and it was honestly impressive to see every time.

  • @lufthansa99
    @lufthansa99 Pƙed rokem +7

    7:33 no wayy I'll be playing this position anytime soon. I'd simply resign lol

    • @FatherManus
      @FatherManus Pƙed rokem

      The position isn’t possible in a real chess game. He was joking.

    • @gallium-gonzollium
      @gallium-gonzollium Pƙed rokem

      @@FatherManus theoretically it can be done.
      PGN: (most optimized that I could do)
      [Event "Not a Casual Game"]
      [Site "no"]
      [Date "no"]
      [White "no"]
      [Black "no"]
      [Result "no"]
      [PlyCount "124"]
      [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
      [Variant "Standard"]
      [Termination "because i felt like it"]
      1. a4 Nf6 2. b4 Ne4 3. b5 Ng5 4. a5 Ne4 5. b6 Ng5 6. a6 Ne4 7. h3 Ng5 8. e4 Ne6 9. g4 Ng5 10. f4 Ne6 11. f5 Ng5 12. e5 Ne4 13. e6 dxe6 14. Nf3 Nc3 15. d4 Ne4 16. Bg5 Ng3 17. Bd3 Nf1 18. Rg1 exf5 19. Rh1 fxg4 20. Rg1 gxh3 21. Nh4 Ne3 22. Rg4 Nf1 23. Rf4 Ne3 24. Rf6 exf6 25. Bg6 fxg5 26. Bf5 gxh4 27. Bg6 Bb4+ 28. c3 Qd5 29. cxb4 Qa5 30. bxa5 cxb6 31. Ra4 bxa5 32. Rc4 bxa6 33. Rc5 Nf1 34. Rh5 fxg6 35. Nc3 gxh5 36. Ne4 Nc6 37. Nf2 Nxd4 38. Ng4 Ne2 39. Nh6 gxh6 40. Qd3 a4 41. Qd4 Nf4 42. Qc3 Nd3+ 43. Kd1 Nf2+ 44. Kc2 Nh1 45. Qd3 a3 46. Qc3 a2 47. Qd3 Rb8 48. Qc3 Rb1 49. Qd3 Ra1 50. Qc3 Bd7 51. Qd3 Ba4+ 52. Qb3 a5 53. Kb2 Rf8 54. Ka3 Rf2 55. Qg8+ Kd7 56. Qg7+ Kd6 57. Qg6+ Kd5 58. Qg5+ Kd4 59. Qg4+ Kc3 60. Qg5 Kc2 61. Qg4 Kb1 62. Qd4 Rc2 *

    • @aulainfospinelli5854
      @aulainfospinelli5854 Pƙed rokem +2

      ​@@FatherManusr/woooooosh for you my guy

    • @FatherManus
      @FatherManus Pƙed rokem

      @@aulainfospinelli5854 My guy, this was 9 months ago. I do not give a shit.

    • @aulainfospinelli5854
      @aulainfospinelli5854 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@FatherManus *average 9 year old moment*

  • @ayaanvinayak3169
    @ayaanvinayak3169 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci +1

    Stockfish: Missed win
    The missed win

  • @AnnaColon3
    @AnnaColon3 Pƙed rokem +2

    6:00 "My fingers are getting a little bit tired"
    Geometry Dash Players: *Amateur*

  • @gametoday5500
    @gametoday5500 Pƙed rokem +4

    0:23 stockfish can acually see that far i have seen a few times that its checkmate in idk 200 moves or something but every single time that i saw that stockfish saw a faster checkmate after a few sec

  • @danielclv97
    @danielclv97 Pƙed rokem +5

    I didn't knew the 50 move rule resets after a pawn move. But then again, I rarely have a game with 50+ moves from the very beginning to the end 😂

    • @attilaseyfullah8522
      @attilaseyfullah8522 Pƙed rokem +1

      it resets after capture aswell

    • @danielclv97
      @danielclv97 Pƙed rokem

      @@attilaseyfullah8522 yeah, knew the capture rule, wasn't a were of the pawn move rule

  • @cannonsaki932
    @cannonsaki932 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci +1

    Rook: Can u fk off?
    Queen: No

  • @hunterzilla9385
    @hunterzilla9385 Pƙed rokem +2

    Hikaru explaining why you shouldn’t accept a draw:

  • @BobChess
    @BobChess Pƙed rokem +7

    I cant find all move. I just gonna make a draw like Qxa1+ and stalemate. but 130 moves. Bro how

    • @kirillzakharov7336
      @kirillzakharov7336 Pƙed rokem +1

      it wouldn't be stalemate because the King can capture the Bishop

  • @trollar8810
    @trollar8810 Pƙed rokem +5

    I was able to solve this after a while(a few hours... 10), thanks to some of your other lessons, though it is quite amusing seeing a *specific chess friend of mine* having no idea how to solve it
    Thanks a lot!

    • @kujklokp
      @kujklokp Pƙed rokem

      No you were not able to solve it pal. Just get real (:

    • @trollar8810
      @trollar8810 Pƙed rokem

      @@kujklokp ... legit as soon as i saw the "mate in 130" i knew it was something with forcing the opponent to play a bad move, then it was just a matter of finding it

    • @kujklokp
      @kujklokp Pƙed rokem

      @@trollar8810 Mate in any number indicates that you force your opponent to make bad moves bro, that's why it is called "forced mate" Doesn't matter if it's Mate in 2 or mate in 965

    • @trollar8810
      @trollar8810 Pƙed rokem

      @@kujklokp yeah i get that, i meant that i knew it was a zugzwang thing and it was just about finding a repeatable pattern

  • @user-ux1cz4jv2e
    @user-ux1cz4jv2e Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +1

    stockfish telling me the mate i missed:

  • @TheBlobik
    @TheBlobik Pƙed rokem

    White: Queen breakdance simulator
    Black: Rook back-and-forth simulator

  • @jubi9011
    @jubi9011 Pƙed rokem +3

    next time you're playing a game and you find yourself in this position had me laughing haha

  • @YonyBear
    @YonyBear Pƙed rokem +4

    Wild

  • @NekoVenture
    @NekoVenture Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci

    Stockfish: "You had 1 missed win"
    The missed win:

  • @jeffreyvaldes7783
    @jeffreyvaldes7783 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci +1

    This is the most impressive sequence I’ve ever seen, thanks again Nelson!

  • @Countdown420
    @Countdown420 Pƙed rokem +4

    5:31 it is 124 move checkmate because the pawn can move 2 steps instead of 1

    • @schwingedeshaehers
      @schwingedeshaehers Pƙed rokem +3

      Black wants to live as long as possible. Else black could move the bishop before

  • @ReyCereal
    @ReyCereal Pƙed rokem +4

    4:27, couldn’t the pawn just take it?

    • @jort93z
      @jort93z Pƙed rokem +3

      white is at the bottom, the black pawns walk down.

    • @ReyCereal
      @ReyCereal Pƙed rokem

      @@jort93z oh

  • @artificialminer6566
    @artificialminer6566 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci

    Stockfish: You missed an easy checkmate
    The mate:

  • @KrimzyEditz
    @KrimzyEditz Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

    Stockfish: You missed checkmate!?
    The checkmate:

  • @fibonachi90
    @fibonachi90 Pƙed rokem +62

    I usually like these puzzles, but this one feels like a bit of a cheat. The H rank pawns serve no purpose, except to add an extra 100 moves to the forced mate. They are also so absurdly placed, that it's virtually impossible to reach this position in an actuall chess game, which in my opinion diminishes the practical value of the puzzle further.

    • @rosiefay7283
      @rosiefay7283 Pƙed rokem +33

      This problem is not to be judged on its practical value. It was constructed in order to set a record for a task. In this case the task is to construct the longest possible directmate problem where White has only king and queen.
      It was composed in 1955 by J. Halumbirek, who constructed it by adapting the matrix of a problem by that master of chess task problems, Otto BlĂĄthy.

    • @JOBAVALONDONONLY420
      @JOBAVALONDONONLY420 Pƙed rokem

      @@rosiefay7283 yeah it's not about practicality, I think part of its usefulness is it's helps with creativity. Also I find puzzles like this just fascinating and beautiful in a sense that something so complex can be result of a few simple rules

    • @apollyon1
      @apollyon1 Pƙed rokem +4

      yeah man this is like a dunk competition in basketball. Grab a beer and enjoy it for what it is.

    • @lucasmatsuoca
      @lucasmatsuoca Pƙed rokem

      I’m pretty sure this puzzle was not created to symbolize a chess game, and guess what, to maybe, just maybe, to set problem where the goal was to compose a legal position with the longest forced mate sequence

  • @drenkata
    @drenkata Pƙed rokem +4

    Wow!

  • @Devin8272
    @Devin8272 Pƙed rokem +1

    Can’t wait to use this!

  • @Midnight890
    @Midnight890 Pƙed rokem +6

    I am not sure how but I arrived at this exact position against 4 2000 elo players today and I earned a lot of easy wins because of this video so for that I thank you

  • @knownrobloxian3381
    @knownrobloxian3381 Pƙed rokem +3

    6:54 can't you move the bishop to b3?

  • @suds5214
    @suds5214 Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci

    Quite entertaining. When you got to the end, I just chuckled under my breath. VG

  • @user-hg9hm8oo1s
    @user-hg9hm8oo1s Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +1

    Hikaru watching your game be like

  • @kurzackd
    @kurzackd Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci +4

    7:04 -- well, technically, it *DOES* matter WHERE exactly the bishop moves to...
    If it moves to *b3* , then you have to do an extra round of ring-around-the-rosie, and then checkmate with queen *FROM d1 to b3* MATE #.
    So that's *138 moves total* , NOT "130" ... :P
    .

  • @mdes0819
    @mdes0819 Pƙed rokem +1

    stockfish be like why did you take all his material hes gonna checkmate you meanwhile the checkmate:

  • @Kolus.Mapping
    @Kolus.Mapping Pƙed rokem

    The missed win in your first game stockfish saw:

  • @KyzeRoblox
    @KyzeRoblox Pƙed rokem

    Must've teleported to an alternative universe where we are as capable as Hikaru.

  • @Pog4Lives
    @Pog4Lives Pƙed rokem

    Ty I had this exact position later and this came in extra handy

  • @KrimzyEditz
    @KrimzyEditz Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

    Human to Stockfish: You missed mate!
    The mate:

  • @YukkuriChei
    @YukkuriChei Pƙed rokem

    Finally, a worthy opponent for that one puzzle where black has a mountain of pieces but can only move the king back and forth while white only has a pawn.

  • @VoiidAsp
    @VoiidAsp Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci +1

    **Me opening the game review after completing a rapid game**
    Miss: 1
    *The mate I missed:*

  • @godwincornelius201
    @godwincornelius201 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci +1

    as soon as i start losing all my queens i will just resign

  • @timnelson8656
    @timnelson8656 Pƙed rokem

    "Next time I find myself in that position" haha

  • @arnoldbissen9921
    @arnoldbissen9921 Pƙed rokem

    Cool!! What are the pawns on the A-file for?

  • @zettheone
    @zettheone Pƙed rokem

    last sarcasm made me lmao

  • @longandrew2370
    @longandrew2370 Pƙed rokem

    Can't wait to play this in tournaments

  • @nahumwastaken
    @nahumwastaken Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci +1

    hikaru niggarora :- sees mate in 130
    resign

  • @_Mochillin
    @_Mochillin Pƙed rokem

    Bro had quintupled up pawns

  • @swarnimghimire9764
    @swarnimghimire9764 Pƙed rokem

    Always hated when I got into this position and didnt know what to do, thank you so much for showing me this.

  • @Chun-kun1
    @Chun-kun1 Pƙed rokem

    "next time you find yourself in this position"