Can You Beat Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne Without Buffs (Part 4)
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Part 3: • Can You Beat Shin Mega...
After failing to complete the challenge in the last part, Demi-Fiend takes some more time to grind all the way to the max level, and is now back for revenge! Will he be able to beat the bosses originally deemed impossible without having to use buffs this time?
Intro by Lyric: / @lyric3595
The unofficial patch I used to play Nocturne Maniax Chronicle Edition can be found here: www.romhacking.net/translatio...
#SMT #ShinMegamiTensei #Nocturne - Hry
"The level progression in SMT Nocturne is slower than Atlus West's localization of games."
DAAAAAMN.
OOF
He’s not wrong
@Mr. Green agidyne? That was fucking Trisagion/Hell's fire
Because of today's mini Nintendo Direct, that has NOT aged well...
@@petermanfox2535 It has aged well considering how long it took them to get the damm games done.
I study math in university and there's a thing called a non-constructive proof, which is a mathematical proof that doesn't show how to actually do something, but proves that it is theoretically possible. If we take this series to be a non-constructive proof, then your use of cheats is totally okay, because while you cheated in the game, you only cheated on the grinding and not on the actual boss fight, so you've proven that it's theoretically possible to beat Nocturne without buffs. QED.
Those words sound really important, so I will believe this
I don't actually study math in university (besides the couses needed for economics), but I couldn't agree more with this. It is entirely possible to level up to 255 without cheats, so anyone with enough time could do the grind regularly and use the same strategies as the ones showed in the video to prove this can be done without cheats. Yet again, it would take so much time to do grind (knowing that the cheat multiplied exp x1000 and that there could be changes in progression related to the exp formula, its might take more than 1000 times the time it took Nyarly) that it would be wasteful to prove this point.
Bruh all you had to say was "He proved it was possible normally just with a lot of farming" but no you had to go out and make yourself sound stupid by flexing your "Math Knowledge" on an SMT video
@@KWCHope elaboration bad word 2 hard
@@KWCHope 'Rampage Jackson - Ariel Helwani' interaction type detected lol
And Surt said: "Fuck your healing"
and Satan died.
Satan an Lucifer are separate Demons in SMT. Nice joke tho.
They’re separate religious figures in general, satan is the lesser god while Lucifer is the real devil
@@raybob8668 and in the raidou games. Satan is a title for lucifer if you watch the dialogues of the angels and him in the talk of king Abaddon.
Surt levelled up his Faith it seems
In christian canon, satan is an archangel in the old testamen, and the tlersonification of all evil in the new testament. I do not believe lucifer appears at all.
I like to imagine Dante just showed up with a Game Genie and the Demi-Fiend just gave a dissapointed nod and took it.
The fact that Nocturne HD and SMT 5 is annouced not long after this run was conpleted just blows my mind. It's as if Nyarly completed the hidden quest and unlocked the gates for ATLUS
It's our turn to suffer as he did and so many others xD
Did people forget that Atlus was working on a PS4 game as well as the rest of the SMT games
@@denos1699 Now in HD
Sidequest complete!
No buffs or Debuffs, SMT nocturne.
Unlocked: HD mode and SMT5!
“SMTV will probably come out before then” little did he know
Persona 5 is coming in 2014
@@Sckarton no that's persona
Apparently now shin megami tensei and Persona are now different Games
@@GrindyVine they are different though? Or do you also think Mario 64 and Paper Mario are the same thing?
@@matchanavi no they both different
Since shin megami tensei and persona usually is 1 same franchise but now.. Somehow since fans kinda don't know if shin megami tensei and persona is the same franchise
@@matchanavi it thanks to Atlus localization
I think its Really a Testament to the difficulty of a game when even After Insane grinding WITH CHEATS you can still die. It Really wants you to use all of the Tools you have at your disposal.
Not in this case, due to how your stats work you can max out you defensive stat early. So while he is dealing more damage at higher levels... he isn't having an easier time surviving attacks.
This game just has low stat caps.
It's more a testament to how the game was designed. The developers obviously consider buffs and debuffs to be crucial features to the game, and really don't expect people to avoid using them. It's a show of punishment for doing so, as many have pointed out the Matador fight essentially does for beginners.
And you still only win because the AI was retarded... like here when it didnt use diarahan.
@L30n G I am more bothered by your random capitalization in your statement rather than how hard the game is.
@@TheKyuuzu i am writing on my phone an autocorrect is like that. Also Not native english speaker
Me: "Ahh, Just finished episode 3 of Can you beat SMT Nocturne. Time to move on to 4... HOLD UP."
Yes
Same
More like get ready for Digital Devil Saga games lol
He already did SMT IV without fusions.
@@denkerbosu3551 i think he meant he finished part 3 of no buff run and didnt c that part 4 was released
Personally I think the cheating here is justified. All you're doing is speeding up the grind. You're not giving yourself a huge advantage, everything you're doing you could have done if you just no-lifed it. This is an experiment to see if it's possible after all. No harm in speeding things up to check it out.
It's basically a fast forward. It's not really a problem. All it's doing is allowing him to do it without it costing his sanity
@@tonhaogamergranudo I just played through Nocturne for the first time (literally finished TDE a few hours ago) and thank god I was on emulator. I can't imagine playing this shit at normal speed and also save states mid-dungeon/during fusing is a serious time saver. Of course no save states during battles but man i forgot how much tedious bullshit these old RPG games had. The hardest part of this game was navigating the bullshit dungeons, i nearly gave up trying to find Baal Avatar.
@@Moplonn Oof. And i was planning to play it when i finished Strange Journey. Good to know. Altough Bun's suffering video sould have been a pretty clear hint.
@arthur fonzarelli How so? Its not a cheat that causes your character to have every attack one shot, render your character basically invincible or get every stat on max.
Its basically speeding your progress in normal time. Even look at P4G's steam version! Are the custom difficulty sliders (Especially Gold and EXP sliders.) in that game not justified? I really hate grinding so this allows me to play the game's story at a normal pace and eliminates grinding.
@arthur fonzarelli
That's really stupid lmao. It's just a single-player game that doesn't impact everyone's experience. It wasn't as if he lied and said he didn't do it without the cheating, nor does this go against the actual point of the video.
It's not like he was cheating in a multiplayer game and taking away from a person's enjoyment of the game through cheating, or say, had a cheat that increased his damage and reduced the bosses' dps, he just simply increased the Exp gain because it would be annoying and repetitive to actually try out.
It's just really stupid to gatekeep over such a detail.
“I beat SMT Nocturne without buffs”
Atlus: *”WANNA DO IT AGAIN?”*
FFXV is better than this trash
Gejamugam Latsoomanam your opinion but calling nocturne trash is a bad take
@@jeja6801 ffxv in it's own has outsold the entire smt franchise
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 What do sales numbers have to do with a games quality?
@@solairemurat412 if the game is good, more people would buy and play it, game sucks less people buy it
*Sees the title*
... you fool. You had a way out, and you returned to the darkness.
I guess he's just a NOCTURNE-al guy
@@archaydutta3013 Lol
Nyarly beats nocturne no buff/debuff ATLUS "ok, we can release it now"
Part 4 of an assumed finished series
An unexpected surprise but a welcomed one at that
Baka. It's "A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one."
You could not live with your failure, and where that brings you?
Back to Dante from the devil may cry series (tm)
The funny thing here is that at lvl 255 youre doing less damage than a buffed party in the 80s
Which shows how important buffs and debuffs are to the core gameplay of SMT
A week after you finish this the SMTN remaster and SMT5 get announced.
Your sacrifice has been accepted.
Aight now do "Can you beat SMT 1 using a magic build MC" run of smt 1
Lol
@@xigabrelless1980 Ikr
Chad T Narukami i mean if he has a japanese switch account then he might be able to
nah he can't cast magic, "Can you beat SMT 1 with the mc and his friends only'' so without recruiting any demons that can buff or debuff?
is magic bad on smt 1?
Can you beat Digital Devil Saga only in human form
Can you beat Demi-Fiend--
NU
Daamn, I think that would even more painful than Nocturne without buffs and debuffs
Infinite suffering
No.
Seeing as there's at least one required boss that is immune to gun, I think not
"Shin Megami Tensei V would probably come out before it"
y'know, he was right
THE REVENGE OF THE DEMI-FIEND AND THE REDEMPTION OF A KING!
@arthur fonzarelli ok mr elitist
@arthur fonzarelli what because he used save states and your so good because of the fact you beat smt 1 grow up troll and stop commenting in every comment thread
@arthur fonzarelli why you are like this?
Thanks Nyarly, you unlocked the Remaster for us
4:11
In fact, He also unlocked SMT V.
So I'm going to take a guess at what happened with Lucifer at the end of the video:
So iirc way it works is Lucifer heals at 19,999 HP or lower (well, I originally thought it was at half HP, but that's not what the wiki says, and if it was that, then what I suggest here wouldn't make sense) but on his last phase where he's super low (12k or lower, maybe 15k or lower? I don't remember) he goes into his Diarama phase and he starts using Evil Gleam again to try to charm you into a full heal on him, and with what I know about Nocturne's AI, what likely happened here is you skipped over his heal by getting him to this last desperation phase from above 20k in 1 turn as your damage values were so high.
I hope that makes sense, and if anyone's reading this that knows more details, feel free to talk about it as while I have messed around with stuff in the game it's all been fairly tame and I've never done anything more than change some moves around on some dudes, or change stats with CheatEngine - most of what I know comes from reading Zombero's work and testing enemy AI quirks myself back when I had too much free time.
Speaking of Zombero, Lucifer's buffs/alterations received from the Hardtype mod includes a *very* powerful Diarama (can heal several *thousand* HP at a time). And he didn't use it at all the first time I fought (and defeated!) him.
Granted, I was level 101 with level 99 demons (albeit not all of this grinding was intentional; part of it was because of the late Burial Chamber rematches, while another part was the Estoma nerf that is only undone by acquiring *Masakados.* There was a bit of intentional grinding, though, simply so I could complete the compendium and acquire Pierce to pass around).
Well I just beat the hd remake on hard (with buffs lol) and it did the no heal to me too. He did use root of evil where I thought he would use Diarhan and was rounding off hp totals on how much I did. So yea the whole skip phase base on damage seems legit since I got by sheer dumb luck and wasn't even expecting it.
@@zerankite what version is the HD remake even based on?
@@weberman173 I play the vanilla hd remake on release day. I do recall one update later when i went back for trophies so don't remember the version but yea, was a experience.
@@weberman173 Chronicles aka the one with Raidou.
In some countries (I believe it’s South Korea, the Chinese Mainland, and Taiwan sort of but it’s a bit complicated explaining the Taiwan version) are based off the original due to censorship (unless you get the paid Manimax dlc), the pc version requires you to download Chronicles as free dlc, and Manimax aka the one with Dante is paid dlc in all regions and versions.
Also it’s a remaster not a remake.
Ah yes, the epiloge that none of us expected "Gamer Shark"
**Deleted my earlier comment because I just realized something**
Remember when you and Fither talked about the Devil Summoners vs. the Persona Users and there was skepticism on whether or not Lucifer was going all-out against Demi-Fiend? I think this run is irrefutable proof he wasn’t fucking around.
You have to look at the feats narratively as opposed to the game mechanics
Otherwise you get "Nanashi is stronger than Stephen as his level and stats can be higher"
But that also means acknowledging "Guy with gun beat the being which split YHVH"
aleph would litteraly just have to breathe on them and they would all die. the sheer force of his presence and breathe
Esoteric You say it like it's not true
I hate this idea that Lucifer was going easy on Demifiend because he was only testing him and I despise Fither's power chart for propagating such a lie, among others.
Why, pray tell, would Lucifer, the primary representative of the Chaos faction, whose ideology revolves around creating a world of strength where only the fittest survive, go easy while testing the person who he expects to lead his army of demons against his greatest foe, who he acknowledges is stronger than him? If Demifiend wasn't worthy, he'd just kill him. Failure means death in this scenario. The fact that Demifiend ended up in the Diamond Realm in SMT IV: Apocalypse after dying to Lucifer proves this idea.
@@musicwalls Bruh it's a test. If he tested all of his commanders at full strength he wouldn't have any commanders
4:14 this statement, although it was a joke, is now probably true
6:45 You're almost... SURT-ain?
(In-SURT obligatory "get out" here)
@Mr. Green I SURT-ainly love a lame pun or two.
@Mr. Green my man really be out there asSURTing dominance
Sir, please get down of the stage.
He’s SURT-of funny. Stay on stage
12:53 My longest whoooole ever
Incidentally, Messiahs in Diamond Realm Demi-Fiend is Lvl 125 when Damaged YHVH is Lvl 100. Guess that Demi-Fiend is from one of Nyarly's failed runs.
I dont mind the cheat code for the leveling up as it's better than waiting for up to months for this next part to be made
NTRG In this case it's years, not months since every time you level up, you gain even less EXP from creatures. Here with the cheat, he earned the same amount of EXP everytime he leveled up making it way faster than it actually is.
We actually did not see this coming
I didnt think we'd get a part 4, heckin neato!
heckin neato
heckin neato
Im Hecking Naoto ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
heckin neato
Heckin neato
Just yesterday I thought to myself, "maybe he could grind up to level 100. That would be a horrible grind though." You found a way, you madaman.
In my playthrough Lou got down to ~20k health... And then cast Diarama, which healed him a grand total of 1300 hp. Raidou then slapped him for 1400 and I was left very confused.
Time to raise hell itself once more.
Idea for the next challenge run: Megami Ibunroku Persona (PSP) with only the initial Personas. Here is my version of the rules, Change what you feel you need to
-No fusion or changing Personas (This includes character's Ultimate Personas)
-No contacting Demons (This makes it so you cant get spell cards, Or make enemies run away by intimidating them)
-Using Skill Tablet items is allowed (because im not evil)
-Route doesn't matter (You can go SEBEC route or SQQ)
-No Bad Endings (You MUST get the good ending of whatever route you choose)
I imagine this will be hard against any magic using enemies. Anyways, I hope you do this, And have fun with it!
Edit: If at any point its necessary to break one of these rules, Do it. But only if absolutely necessary.
Knowing them if they do this they’ll do SQQ
@@ScarceXD221 Oh my god, Imagine doing Thanatos Tower first on this challenge. That would just be painful.
@@knight123x4 think i would beat dark souls damageless before i do that
@@knight123x4 (at the end of the three towers) "Your prize is something completely useless! Like why did you even do the hardest first when you couldn't even use the ambrosia?"
Nyarly toture himself part 4
>part 4. HES GOING BEYOND
What a journey! Im so glad its possible, hooked since the start. Cant wait for the next challenge
holy shit i was not expecting a part 4. but congrats you absolute mad lad, you did it
I wasn't expecting a part 4! Keep up the grind and good luck on your future endeavors!
This sounds painful af
This series was incredible good job on completing your challenge keep up the good work.
Can't even see the post credits stuff because the previous videos are in my way
Same
Not to detract from end cards as I know that they can be a valuable resource for creators to get people onto other videos they've done, but there is an extension for Chrome that will allow you to hide end cards if you feel the need to: chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hide-labels-and-end-cards/jinenhpepbpkepablpjjchejlabbpken?hl=en
Just in case you wanted to see the rest of the post credits stuff ;P
Have you tried turning off annotations?
@@Nyarly I'm not seeing an option to turn it off. On mobile at least
@@Nyarly I never had them on.
This series has been an utter joy to watch!!
I also think it was a positive harbinger for future events as Atlus has announced new SMT5 AND SMT NOCTURNE REMAKE trailers recently!
This was great, I learnt many things about Nocturne.
"Shin Megami Tensei V would be out by then"
Ask and ye shall receive.
damn man i love these games just from watching them, and you as a content creator as a whole, thank you for the great content man
I'd say that using cheats to increase EXP isn't technically a cheat. All it is is speeding up something you could do normally. If grinding took you a couple hours with the cheats, it probably would have taken around a year for you to get through normally. There are people who, when they first played an older Pokemon game like Firered or something, didn't know what to do and leveled their starter to level 100 on the first route.
I was re-watching the first three videos and then I saw this and it made me smile. Nyarly, I might not be one of your long-time fans...but damn I think you're amazing.
Just beat smt nocturne myself! Great video series man, and this helped me a lot with getting through the game myself lol, can't wait for the remaster
Man needs more recognition for this time consuming feat.
The SMT FANDOM HAS BEEN SHOOK
Loved this series, keep it up!
Glad that there was a follow up to this! Very satisfying after thinking it wasn't possible.
Great series. Here's hoping for more SMT challenge runs.
YOUR VIDEOS BROUGHT FORTH THE SHIN MEGAMI NOCTURNE GODS!!!
NOCTURNE ON SWITCH, WOOOOO!!!!
i fully enjoyed this series and i’ve never even played a megaten game. good shit, man.
Good to see you didnt give up man! So awesome to see a part 4. Now lets see you beat Persona 2 without spreading Rumors lol
anyone look at the thumbnail too fast and thought demifiend had a massive dump truck because of the logo placement
Damn who would have thought it was possible. Cant wait for the next challenge keep them up Narly
That was really impressive! =D
I may never try this kind of challenge, but really makes me want to improve in the regular game.
Personally never played a megaten game before, but I felt like I could still go on to play nocturne after this due to your videos being structured mainly around fights. I appreciate that. Amazing video series.
Hey Nyarly, thanks for getting me into main line MegaTen games. I've been a personal fan for a few years, and have known about nocturne, but this series has solidified my resolve into playing it.
Congrats man! Nocturne is truly a beautiful but brutal jrpg
Damn, demi-fiend got that runback
So it would appear as though at some point four months ago someone went absolutely mad in this comment section about our boy using cheats.
Since then their comments seem to have been deleted, i think?
I know there's no point in me saying this, but why do people get so incredibly butthurt about some dude on youtube using cheats to speed up grinding in a jrpg?
I get that he didn't "really" beat the challeng, technically, becaus he cheated. Sure. But it's not like he claimed that he did it legit.
In Part 3 of this series there was a pretty clear point being made that under normal circumstances you will not be able to beat this challenge.
That fact still stands.
And then he was like "Hey, what if I was Max level?"
And then he tried it and won.
And he made a point to tell us that it takes a whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooole lot of grinding. He skipped the grind.
Guess what, the video would have been essentialy the same if he did grind it all legit.
Only difference would be that, instead of telling us about the cheats, his grandchildren would be telling us about his grind.
The result would be the same.
He could have just kept the cheating secret and the only way we would have known would be a changed version of the game and a suspiciously short amount of time between uploads.
I really do not get why people bother wasting their time by complaining specifically about someone else *not* wasting their own time.
I am aware that there's some irony to be found in me complaining about those people, but thats a discussion for another day.
In conclusion:
-the challenge was proven to be beatable
-No Gaming Licenses are being revoked today
-Nyarly didnt waste 47 years of his liefe grinding the f#cking pixie to level 255
-The time I just spent writing this mess is time i will never get back, moving me ever closer to my inevitable demise at the hands of insanity
Rant over.
I really hope you have a nice day.
You desereve it after reading this.
Wow im surprised dood
That intro looks awesome doooooood
This channel is going to blow up once SMT V comes out. Love your videos!
I like the new splash for your channel!
Not gonna watch the video tho, haven't finished nocturne yet D: but you have my view and my like!
Just saw this as soon as i opened youtube NOW IM EXCITED
Congrats on the win, man! You did it! I love this game and just beat it for the first time after giving up on it as a teenager. 😁
Dude congrats, glad you were able to finish with out buffs knew you could do it
Props to you for coming back to it!! Honestly you could've just let it in the no and be done with it, but I'm glad we know it is theoretically possible, albeit really hard and time consuming to accomplish 😂
Nyarly you are a crazy man and I respect that.
Well played good sir! I did not expect this to be in my inbox when I opened CZcams tonight but here we are...impressive.
I do wonder what could have possibly stopped Lucifer from using Diarahan but hey, as you said yourself, we ain't complainin'.
Love your stuff Nyarly, keep up the good work!
the madlad did it.
Me:opens CZcams and see’s smt nocturne no buff/debuff part 4
Also me: maximum confusion but still instantly clicks
Hey, it's been a pretty rough two days, I'm glad that I have something to look forward to, now.
This was very satisfying.
I'm so glad you beat this game without debuffs, this must have been so relieving for you
Nice timing just before SMT V and SMT Nocture Remaster was confirmed! It’s been a great week!
Recent events mak this video 10x better!
The dedication is unreal
This series was phenomenal 😁 enjoyed it alot. One thing I would love to see would be like the Persona 3 video, Persona 4 with only Izanagi? It's probably easily just as possible, but it would sure be fun to see :D
I remember using a gameshark on Nocturne once. Unlocked all magatamas to the point the game item text info literally says "You cheater" lmao
You sought the thrill of death, but it seems death's vastness held no peace. This series has been hilarious and awesome, I can't wait to see whatever comes next!
@arthur fonzarelli why is he wrong?
That's cool :D congratilations :).
i fell asleep while watching this and i had a fucking fever dream
It makes me so happy that we are still getting SMT Nocturne content to this day
What a twist!!! I feel myself going insane at the thought of trying to reach that lvl.
Im glad for you uwu
Nice work Nyarly
YOU DID IT YOU BADASS CONGRATULATIONS
one of my favorite parts of all this is the clip where you show of your friend fighting against Mot lmao i think i would’ve raged hard or even just been speechless and laughed out of anger if i saw that happen to me bc ngl that’s just some hardcore bs
NYARLY!
NOCTURNE REMAKE! AHHHHH!
That is why i am back here
Remaster*
about why running didnt work . hard mode made it impossible. you need trafuri to escape anything (posting it here since i forgot in which part it came up)
Part 1, in Amala Network
The mad man is giving it another go.
You madlad. Congratulations. Now looking forward to Izanagi only run of p4. Take your time on that one tho.
The moment you finally reach level 255 in Nocturne
SMT V might have been released
Update: Well shit
SMT V comes in 2021
I cannot wait to see what challange will Nyarly do in SMT V
Your videos made me want to play Nocturne
Was playing through the HD version while watching this. Had to pause a few times to avoid spoilers, but NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, will I ever try to do a no buff/debuff run. Holy shit. Major props to you, but I don't think I would be sane after that.
I can't believe this video is already two years old. I remember when part 1 came out.
Infinite Light and the Infinite Sadness. Good work!