'Big Mistake' Ruins Value of Regency Table | Antiques Roadshow
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- All valuations were correct at the time of broadcast. This elegant 1820s late Georgian/Regency period table is made from beautiful mahogany wood, but the addition of a leather top by a previous owner and a recently too-high valuation gives the expert something to think about. Hugh Scully and the experts from Antiques Roadshow take a look at some fantastic antiques and the history and stories surrounding them. This clip was filmed in Northallerton in 1999.
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"It's a working table" - that's what tables are meant for. Man is a hero.
A hero? JeeeeZ
A hero for using a table ? You don't know the definition of hero do you ?
So when you use a table for eating or playing video games... you are working then too...
What level of esteem do you have for the toilet user? 😂
Huh? I use tables to eat from and set things on.
It's what we musicians would call a "player-grade instrument." Tastefully modified long ago, enjoyed as the functional art ever since, without obsessive concern over keeping it pristine.
I have a Selmer BA Alto which was relacquered 40 years ago. A beautiful job, and that's what people (not me) did back then. Still plays beautifully, but valued way down now.
I don't know that you can say there's much tasteful in gutting a figured mahogany slab like that. I can only hope the wood that came off that table was used for something else because there aren't too many mahogany trees of that size left
@@leadpoisoning717 It would have gone through a planer. That wood is shavings on the floor.
You think animal skin is tasteful?!
@@icturner23
Are you referring to the modifications made decades ago?
Before advances in materials science there wouldn't have been any functional alternatives to leather.
Animal skins have been, and still are in some cultures, essential in clothing people.
Had this desk not been salvaged by recovering it, it's only function would be firewood. Hardly a fitting end for the beautiful wood that constructed it.
I'm sure he said it had been lovingly cared for for decades. That would imply it was reconfigured long before the advent of PVC or similar.
My bet is the top "pre leather" was ruined and the leather was a best solution to keep the table alive.
My thoughts too. No one would voluntarily replace a top in good condition.
I was thinking that to. Ink spill or something.
Veneer has a short lifespan, it tends to flake, crack and warp within 100 years. I’m sure a piece of mahogany veneer large enough for that table top would be very expensive to replace before paying a professional furniture restorer to set it in. :)
I doubt it. There are many foolish people out there who dont understand how bad their decision making is.
@@TheNightshadePrince veneer is dirt cheap
Furniture was made to be used and to have wear and tear on it, the fact it has survived this long makes it invaluable for someone’s collection at home or office to be continually useful still.
Exactly.
Agreed. The bottle is half full.
What is overlooked too is, the guy claims 1820, but for all anyone knows it was a very good table made in 1890 in that STYLE, the same as we do to-day with replicating old styles but in crappier materials unfortunately.
Yeah but it wasn’t made for some knucklehead to chisel out the top and glue leather on it.
They are getting it appraised...
What shocks me most is that this was only filmed in 1999. Looking at the people and background it looks like a completely different country.
Same. Thought it was late ‘80s at first glance 😅
Yes true!
Shows just how far we have fallen in 25 year's, immensely sad 😮
@@seanduncan1284 simply the Britain I was born in and grew up in, you seriously can't believe that this country is better in 2023 than it was 25 or 30 years ago 🤔
@@seanduncan1284you don't see it? The lack of Karen's the happiness in everyone face without the emotional drag of bad times. The people's character display a lack of conflict and frustration. You can tell everyone in that room had the capacity to agree to disagree on controversial topics.
My grandparents had the exact table, along with matching coffee table and end tables... the big table had the original wood top and that table alone was insured for $30,000... 25 years ago. After my grandfather died, my grandmother whom had never had anything to do with the house finances, apparently sold the whole set for $2000 and was quite pleased about it. She sold hundreds of thousands of dollars of antiques for pennies on the dollar... before she moved to a retirement home. The family had no idea what she had done until afterwards, her last few tears could have been much more comfortable if only she hadn't been bamboozled so badly.
did u get it back
@@randomrazr of course not
"Him and that bloody furniture, don't know what he's always banging on about it for, I think it's dreadful old fusty stuff, can't wait to be rid of it"
My wife threatened to sell my golf club collection when I went and I had to bring her to my office at home and show her the value of some of the stuff. I have several first-edition, signed books, including Ben Hogan, Sneed, Bobby Jones, Nicklaus, Watson, Norman, and Woods. I was fortunate enough to live at Augusta for over 15 years and I had access yearly to some of the best players in the world. One of my books signed by Ben Hogan and authenticated was appraised at a show for over $6,800.00 due to excellent condition and clear signature. I also have a picture of it being signed at the time. Wives don't know what they don't know.
Somebody walked out laughing
He had a good result for he brought the table in 1969 for £600 and the expert values it at £12,000.00 in 1999 - It was loved and highly used so that's the whole point of enjoying furniture.
Could get a house for 3k in 69.
According to in2013dollars website, inflation makes his purchase of £600 be roughly equal to £12,178.82 today - so he’s dead flat or underwater now.
This was after George Soros crashed the pound. He bought it before. So maybe a loss, I am not sure about the exact inflation rate.
I have some Sam Maloof...he'd roll over in his grave if i did something like this to it.
Only select wealthy would waste that much money on that table. Greedy uncaring wealthy.
I attend estate auctions and it's quite common to see beautiful pieces of solid oak, mahogany, and chestnut furniture going for a few hundred dollars each. The problem is a 19th century piece of furniture does not fit modern house decor or the uses for furniture that we have today.
As an antiquarian I must admit this is true, a lot of 19 century furniture pieces are gigantic and some are hard to sweep around, some need to be reupholstered and other repairs and care that new furniture doesn’t need. I read somewhere(I believe it was out of one of Alice Winchester’s books) that the 1920s were a golden age of antique collecting where pieces could be feached for much cheaper prices than the 1950s(where it became fashionable again). :)
Almost certainly. There is no doubt that it would have been in a dire state and any restoration would have devalued it. The only question is if the leather devalued it more.
And it's heavy and can't be repaired and was made when people were 6 inches shorter! LOL.
We're all fat compared to regency era countryfolk.
I have the same issue with Craftsman/Mission antiques. I bought many 30 years ago because I enjoyed it, and not then as investment. The latter certainly never worked out.
I like the green top truth be told.
Love the gentle and classy way of speaking with a slight british accent. I could fall asleep to this. These people knew how to talk back then.
These filming scenes are better than today’s Antique Roadshow.
Conservatives destroy everything they touch.
One of the few people I've seen say "that's to much". Normally they think the thing is made of solid gold. Either this guy is the most level headed person ever or he just really wanted to be on tv.
I think it (35k) might have been a valuation for insurance purposes by an agent of the insurance company, the higher the value the more you pay on the insurance. It's in your interest to have as low a valuation as possible. A bit like when you get an estate valued after the person has died, the lower the value of everything the less inheritance tax you pay... Try to get an independent valuer who knows the deal, go low on valuations for insurance and tax, high for valuations for sale.
£600 (in 1965) was the equivalent of about £7000 in 1999
Thanks, I was wondering that. I thought someone in the comments would work it out... lo and behold, the third one down.
@@timhinchcliffe5372 now we need to go 30 years in the future and guess the value. I wonder what the table is valued at today because we've come at least 25 years since this airing.
@@SlickArmor it's now 35k lol
According to an online calculator 600 pounds in 1965 is 14,326.80 pounds today. oof
In response to some of the comments regarding price and value, I think some of us are in denial about antique lovers and how things are valued.
I might not give you a nickel, personally, for a particular piece, but the evaluation by an "expert" sets a price that a person who IS in
the market for it, will have to work from.
It doesnt matter if 99%
of the world's population isnt in the market, for the 1% who is, that expert has given
them the appraised value they were looking for. It doesnt matter what you might get for it at a flea market on any given weekend.
Its all about what you would get for it at a sale where a room full of people who ARE looking for it, would pay.
Ultimately, its value is what the owner says its worth is.
That's true. Also, if "Antiques Roadshow" says something's worth 10K, there's a bunch of people who will now pay 10k for it regaardless...
I would say additionally that (if youre a collector) you could maybe find that piece of furniture at a garage sale for far cheaper, but you would be taking a much larger gamble on authenticity and wear. Whereas an appraised piece, though much more expensive, has been officially vetted for authenticity and wear. And that is worth something to the 1% like you are talking about.
Whether something is evaluated at £35,000 or £10,000 or £700; if no one wants it at that price, it’s not worth that price. An evaluation is only useful for insurance purposes before your house burns down.
Particularly if you're PLANNING on burning your house down 😁
What it's worth and what's its worth to someone is subjective
Don't know about the UK but in practical REAL life, it would be hard to give this table away in the US. Seriously, can you imagine younger (or even middle aged) people buying this for a normally furnished (regardless of price level) modern household? The spectacular drop in values for "Grandma Stuff" shown on the US Antiques Roadshow then and now price comparisons are staggering for only 15-25 years.
@trimule chill out son, this footage is from the 90s
You're missing my point. What I'm saying is that items like this table (had it not been defaced) which at one time , not that long ago,were considered very valuable antiques are now considered "old people junk". Clocks, metal toys, fancy dinnerware, New England Brown furniture, art glass, dolls, radios and ceramics, etc. There is a whole generation out there that has NEVER owned a wrist watch and sure as Hell have NO interest in fine gold Waltham Pocket watches. @@420_24seven
I actually quite like the green accent on the top, it looks smart and gives it a phenomenal contrast with that natural mahogany. Personal preference, of course this is separate from original value
I never really looked At furniture like that, crazy how many hobbies there is in our world
600 pounds in 1969 would be about 4.5k in 1999 when this was filmed. So a value a little higher than double what he paid for after three decades of everyday use. Not too shabby!
This whole exchange illustrates the north/south divide in England perfectly.
An episode of Frasier has "ruined" me for Antiques Roadshow. Frasier & Niles are headed out the door and their dad says they should watch this game show with him, which they immediately turn up their noses at. He turns AR on, which the boys are very surprised to see their father watching, and says that he enjoys guessing the actual valuation that the owners are given. 😁
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Ka-ching!! One of the funniest episodes and that's saying something. My favorite scenes are Frasier and Niles slowly sliding into the camera frame when they overhear the bear clock belonged to a royal family, and then Martin acting all stiff when he's put on the air to be interviewed. 😂
@@TheSaturnVYou know what season and episode number it was?
I have the entire series but picking one episode out of like, what was it, 14 seasons is a bit tricky!
"VENEER!"
"Dad, did we miss anything?"
"Nah, just some bozo with a credenza who doesn't know a Biedermeier from an Oscar Meyer"
Damn, my grandmother watched this when I was a kid and I hated it, now it's smashing out millions of views on CZcams
I would take that table in a heartbeat!!! Its absolutely gorgeous!!!
I don't care, the green leather top looks great!
On a scale of 1-10 on things I would rest my family jewels on, this is a 9. It looks smooth, comfortable, cooling, and most of all, green.
its a beautiful desk regardless of what its worth
The caption made me think the appraiser spilled coffee on it or something to ruin it. 😂
Years ago, on the American Antiques Road Show, there was a guy all cocky about his fireplace log holders because Liberace (the piano player) had actually offered him $70,000 for them. The appraiser had to tell the guy that his log holders were cheap fakes valued at about 700. Sometimes people bring their stuff onto the show knowing what their value is just so they can show off, but it backfired bigly for this guy!
The seller reminds me of Sydney from The Pretender back in the early 2000s. Anyone else you're with me?😂
I thought he was going to fall on the table as he was wobbling around and break it 🤣
Shit! - I've done the same thing to my ikea 'bjork' coffee table 😢
You may actually have raised its value.
Very good tips
I was expecting the 'big mistake' to be something that caused damage during the filming. Very disappointed.
Yeah, kinda click bait. If they do it again I will block the channel. I don't like that.
Well, I don't know much about this kind of thing, but I reckon a good wood finisher/restorer could refinish the faded side of this table.
You can apply new finish but fading will stay still, wood changes color because UV radiation from sun.
😂😂 her face was tripping her up
The person who sold it knew that there was damage and sold it appropriately.
Seen wear and tear. No problem!
I think the leather top is pretty nice looking
Well, the man made some profit. Paid 600 pounds in about 1965 or so, which in 1999 would be about 5000 pounds. And the evaluation is 10k-12k. So he made 5k-7k on it, which in today's money is 9k-13k. Not a bad profit.
Even though this was not valued at 35,000, it was still a good investment if you paid 600 pounds for it and now it's worth 10-12,000.
Buy a piece of furniture for your home and spend a lifetime walking around it or avoiding it!
30, 35 years ago? They would have been, what, 30? 35? Yes I suppose 30, 35. 30, 35 years ago would make them 30, 35... 30... 35... yes.
Sold!!
Lmao god love harry and paul
Willing to place a rather large wager that the fella in the white shirt drives a Jaguar......
Rover.
it’s got leather seats
@@sirdigbyminge1639 Maybe 10-15 years ago, but not now. I expect he upgraded to a Jag when he retired. Definite lifelong Rover driver before that though.....
I would've kept it. It's beautiful.
i been wating for a priceless vase to get knocked off a table 😂
600 dollars to 10-12k sounds good, until you remember that 600 dollars in 1965 is 6000 dollars equivalent today or 3200 in 1999 when this tv show aired, so the item still grew in value, but to spend 600 dollars in 1965 on a table was still quite the splurge. today 600 dollars would get you an ikea table. lol.
Brown is down. Way down. I saw one of the "revisited" shows last night where a piece of furniture dropped to about 1/10th of what it had been a decade ago!
"Do you know what date it is?"
"2023."
"The table..."
But what would it have been worth without the leather insert?
Less than 30,000, based on the way they were talking about the inflated valuation. However, This episode was 24 years ago. So any price is possible now!
He said 10 to 12 thousand
@@catdavis9328 The 10-12k is in its current condition and with the green leather top. He never said what the value would be without the leather.
@@southerncharity7928 today's value would be 26000pounds
Lovely table
That old fella has "busy hands"
Ill just leave that there.
What if it turned out that the leather top was added by Louis Tiffany or Gustov Faberge or Salvador Dali? Then it would worth far more than £35,000!
Looks nice. A working table
1:37 Sir your eyebrows are incredible.
When is was a boy I actually thought these knew what they were on about now I realise they are all full of hot air.
Hey BBC. Please don’t crop into square footage. Display it how it was filmed
"What a lovely priceless artifact that you have here. Let me rub my ungloved hands all over it and allow the acid from my skin to eat away at the centuries-old varnish."
It’s only worth what someone will give you !
It was veneered most likely and the veneer was failing
Just what I was thinking, surely know one would have looked at a beautiful solid timber top and thought I’ll chisel
that out and inlay a leather one in its place.
People have weird ideas and weird tastes.
Some people will have something remarkable and think, "Hey, I want to engrave pink elephants into it."
You never know so never underestimate people's thinking, especially if they are ignorant to the true value of something.
It also could have been irreparably damaged somehow and they saw refinishing with leather as the best remaining option.
@@tomstamford6837 some just don't care, I picked up a early 1900's Singer treadle sewing machine cabinet with it's original machine in it, these were made out of beautiful oak, someone decided to "antique" the 100+ year old cabinet with a white antiquing glaze. Thankfully they didn't touch the leg irons.
@@wesbrown5601 If they knew about those items they wouldn't defile them as they sometimes do.
Not really related, but I remember an episode where a family, not a bright family, had a painting, whether they found it or liberated it) not sure, but I remember they rolled it up and stuffed it somewhere... behind the water heater or something ridiculous.
The appraiser told them it was by a well known and well respected painter and would have been worth many tens of thousands of pounds and the looks on their faces was priceless, but not as priceless as when he added, that since they stored it so badly and the condition it was in, it was only worth a few hundred.
Then again, if I was a restorer and knew what I was doing, and someone brought me something special, would I not advise them as to the proper value, historical and financial of the piece or just say, "So you want me to carve a dragon into the top and take the carving off the legs... okay."
They are like characters from little britain
English? Your powers of observation are amazing! 😁
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn Australian ...almost the same
@@oftin_wong Now I'm confused, surely you're not thinking they're Australian? Or have your amazing powers deduced that I'm Australian? 🤔
It just seemed like a silly thing to say, as if the only exposure to English people has been via Little Britain. Apart from the fact that they're English, and the people in Little Britain are mostly English, I don't see how they're like characters from Little Britain. They seem pretty average to me.
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn your comment could be interpreted in a number of ways I guess, I thought you were asking me if I was english because of the question mark..
I'm Australian, it's ok you don't have to agree with what I think ...I'm not fussed
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn why does the name Dave Dunn seem so familiar to me ..I know it from the music scene perhaps
"When i bought it, i paid £600 for it."
I was about to make a joke about his college degree costing about the same, and then I remembered that the state probably paid for his whole degree.
I was expecting this to be a silly goofy video where it somehow gets horribly broken in a demonstration of its sound structure or something
Ok, so here is what you do; always buy two. One to store in pristine condition in hopes that someday it may be worth at least what you paid for it, and the other to actually use or use for parts.
Or something like that.
Morale of the story: never use what you have
That's only for rich people who have no idea about the value of things. Things are meant to be used, clothes are meant to be worn, etc.
@@kiirosoleil that is such a wild concept . But once something is used, then how can I show it off and brag to the lowly plebs? I cannot.
Imagine the value had he not ever cleaned it .
Did you not watch the video? It has sun damage and someone modified it.
@@utubebad Was a joke. Common to the show.
❤ IKEA ❤ Beautiful !!
Whatever the price...you could always have the working class maid over it...what, what😅 2...Ready...😮...ITS NOW, A BURGER TABLE 😮...
Blimey! Now there's a bloody good thought, mate!
Looks good with the green top in my opinion, but what do I know?
Just a bit of wood oil and it would have been uniform color right around
Chances are the table top was already damaged horrifically and the leather was best option for restoration at the time.
exactly my thought. that's the only thing that makes any sense.
That couple does not need to be around really good furniture. They'd find a way to screw it up.
Guy priced it too high....... well then let me lower that price for you 😂😂😂😂
How the hell did they bring that thing in?
They all look like the characters from Guess Who
I don't think the value of the table depends on what it is not, and rather what it is. No value was lost as it could have been firewood long ago.
Not an ounce of melanin in that entire building 😂
She was pissed off 😂
I don't understand his statement about going back in time because the guy is making $11,000 off of $600
Some modifications and defects due to use add character to the piece , never gotten the attraction of "never removed from it's box nonsense"
I saw one where they had the piece restored. It would of been worth 80k with the original finish. Instead is was worth less than 8k.
There must be at least one SCP about that guys eyebrows.
I thought the appraiser was going to ruin it somehow. Glad to see it wasn’t that.
If this thing was kept original and didn't get weathered by the sun, 35k wouldn't have been a ridiculous valuation! Still a bit too much, But much closer than the current value.
i think she stood next to the table, she looks faded as well
Still it's a beautiful table. I can imagine that being in a government office.
To be used and enjoyed…
Those eyebrows deserve a valuation.
I know right, absolutely disgusting
When 1999 looked like 1974
@VictorCreed82 no I was waiting for you.
A little friction going on, with wife saying her husband kept the bay window curtains open. Could tell she was smart enough to know it would ruin the wood table. Husband on the other hand being the patriarch, ruled the roost. Hence reason for the damaged wood.
I would cross veneer around the top and then it would be worth £35K
Well, not too bad, though. Pretty decent appreciation.
600 paid 30 years ago is £8,330.64 today
I think the leather top works.
I wouldn't exactly call 12000 pounds, with more than 11000 pounds profit, ruined...
Very lovely indeed thank you very much , I'am willing to pay $95.00 if you deliver.
Who needs this old heavy table of trouble?
Should nail a HO trainset to the top. It doesn't matter what anything in "valued" at, it's what you sell it for. The "big mistake" is the discoloration from where ole Winston there wanted the sun to shine in and fade the thing out. The big oof.
The first prototype for subbuteo......🤣
They sure do like to use a ton of words that mean nothing.
This guy's only mistake was not playing the lottery for the last 30 years. Guy made out like a bandit. Had a table he loved, got it cheap, and can sell it for a boatload.
It was probably used as a card table lol
Should’ve taken the first offer mate…