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    Business ethics has become a big business in its own right. It’s grown from a fringe issue that some small time alternative CEO’s might mention in passing, to a corporate staple that has its own course in ninety percent of the business schools in America. Major companies now mix in ethical initiatives with their earnings reports and there are even dedicated research centers dedicated to studying how companies can solve all of the world's problems with some combination of acronyms. DEI, CSR, ESG, TBL… whatever your favourite is, they are all guidelines for how the world's most powerful companies can look out for something other than their own free cash flow…
    So then, why is this the second worst idea in business history? Corporate social responsibility or ethical business, whatever you want to call it, it should be an easy idea to sell. You probably don’t like it when companies pollute your home, take your money with deceptive practices or lobby your government to spend your tax money on their bailouts. But operating ethically in business often comes at the expense of acting profitably, and company leadership who answers exclusively to their shareholders, will be forced into picking profits over ethics. Corporate social responsibility therefore is all about showing company managers, their boards and their shareholders that there is a way everybody can win, and that ethics and profit don’t have to be at odds with one another. It’s a message that’s catching on.
    It’s understandable that investors would like their money going towards companies that are (at the very least) TRYING to do the right thing, but unfortunately not many people really understand how these investments work, or how they could actually be making these problems a lot worse.
    So it’s time to learn How Money Works to find out why corporate ethics, is the second worst idea in business history.

Komentáře • 779

  • @HowMoneyWorks
    @HowMoneyWorks  Před měsícem +49

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    • @michaeljfigueroa
      @michaeljfigueroa Před měsícem +3

      What if companies where required by law to be fiduciaries for all their stakeholders? Idk. It's a messy idea. Could that find some sort of equilibrium that isn't horrible?

    • @kofiacquah6972
      @kofiacquah6972 Před měsícem

      If I subscribe to patreon, will I be able to have one-on-one discussions with you on some of the videos?

    • @michaeljfigueroa
      @michaeljfigueroa Před měsícem

      @@kofiacquah6972 yes. After you subscribe.

    • @mumermalik3253
      @mumermalik3253 Před měsícem +1

      @HowMoneyWorks why not make a video on the dumbest and superficial idea of businesses:Marketing or say simply manipulation

    • @michaeljfigueroa
      @michaeljfigueroa Před měsícem

      @@mumermalik3253well it's not the dumbest idea but marketing probably destroys more value than I would have thought. Id like to see that video.

  • @atk05003
    @atk05003 Před měsícem +341

    In college I concluded there are three basic types of ethics courses. Oversimplifying a bit, they are:
    1. Medical ethics - If you don't do the right thing, you might kill or injure someone. BE CAREFUL!
    2. Engineering ethics - If you don't do the right thing, someone might die or get hurt, and it might be your fault. BE CAREFUL!
    3. Business ethics - If you don't do the right thing, someone might die or get hurt, and we might lose money. DON'T GET BLAMED!

    • @BasilHumke-ru3bb
      @BasilHumke-ru3bb Před měsícem +26

      agreed with all but i'd add journalistic ethics-- if you don't do the right thing, you might negatively impact someone's life in irreversible ways-- be careful

    • @JMScibra
      @JMScibra Před 28 dny +13

      @@BasilHumke-ru3bb Wait, there are ethics there?

    • @Earthboundmike
      @Earthboundmike Před 28 dny +8

      @@JMScibra Keep in mind that a large amount of news anchors aren't actually journalists.

    • @great2831
      @great2831 Před 23 dny

      ​@@JMScibra Aparently they are not just "legal" stalkers

  • @ChrisBrown-or8ky
    @ChrisBrown-or8ky Před měsícem +1263

    25 years ago, someone in my university class interrupted a csr lecturer to say it was a scam to create a new market of fees for nothing. Felt sorry for the lecturer at the time, but for 2 decades, it's become obvious that rude b*st*rd was on point

    • @naveensundar0
      @naveensundar0 Před měsícem +57

      wh* t*e a*ter*sks ?

    • @jordanmatthew6315
      @jordanmatthew6315 Před měsícem +76

      See, you do not need a higher education to have financial common sense.
      Those poor fools listening on something that should have been taught in high school economics.

    • @alejmc
      @alejmc Před měsícem +58

      @@naveensundar0 maybe you are new to YT shutting antics, but the censo*r*ng is getting out of hand. Likely half of your messages are being deleted too without realizing it.
      Stick around for a minute or two after commenting to see if the message is still there.
      Got to refresh it by going to another comment thread and back

    • @whutcat682
      @whutcat682 Před měsícem

      CZcams is creazy with deletin comments with something even remotely not family friendly ​@@naveensundar0

    • @incurableromantic4006
      @incurableromantic4006 Před měsícem +13

      The thing with all these "values" projects is they're vague and lack accountability - at least when a company is solely interested in profits, its behaviour is predictable and easier to regulate.

  • @who2u333
    @who2u333 Před měsícem +1076

    Talk about two words that don't belong together. "Corporate Ethics"

    • @donavanblack4347
      @donavanblack4347 Před měsícem +86

      No. Corporations should do business in an ethical manner. No slavery, no exploitation etc.
      Profit is 1 dollar more than you need to survive. I own a corporation, from years of blue collar electrical work.
      I am obligated to be ethically responsible to my employees and customers. We do t let our technicians steal from your home. It’s our job to protect you and us. Ethically even if it means we do t make tons of profit.
      But that’s how I run my business. I can’t speak for every company.

    • @shuwan4games
      @shuwan4games Před měsícem +50

      @@donavanblack4347 what is sad is honest people like you are rare in large corps

    • @Here4TheHeckOfIt
      @Here4TheHeckOfIt Před měsícem +39

      ​@@donavanblack4347 You're a complete anomaly. Years ago, small businesses like yours were more common.

    • @blueeyedpunk
      @blueeyedpunk Před měsícem +3

      Depends in my country in a lot years they have cared about my country. Now it's more americanized 😂

    • @donavanblack4347
      @donavanblack4347 Před měsícem +5

      @@shuwan4games thanks but we should be want we want to see in business not be greedy.

  • @Meitti
    @Meitti Před měsícem +217

    Reminds me of a finnish anti-bullying campaign "Kiva Koulu" ("Nice School"), which was a complete flop. Most schools that participated in the campaign basically paid for the 1-2 PSA classes about being nice to each other and thinking about each others feelings. Then after that the schools assumed themselves immune to bullying since they had the "Kiva Koulu"-approval and brand behind them. So the "Kiva Koulu"-stamp gave the schools the ability to be in complete denial whenever bullying happened, basically making the bullying worse when schools refused to believe it happened.

    • @ruben9912
      @ruben9912 Před měsícem +17

      During my time as a student I saw this in action across several different schools and institutions.
      "Our school does not support such behaviours and there are protocols in place to ensure everyone's safety and dignity"
      *more nothing happens*

  • @troyX
    @troyX Před měsícem +440

    I wrote a master's thesis on international CSR norms and worked a year as a CSR project manager. Most of what you do on the daily boils down to 'How can we get the most amount of positive press/recognition for the minimum amount of money?'. Nobody in a executive position cares about the environment, workers' rights or bringing more democracy to the workplace (governance). Only that they can boast about being the first to do X Y and Z. There's a well-known label called 'B-Corp' offered by an NGO, and one of the way you can get points to reach the certification threshold is setting up a good cause or giving 1% of profits to charity (if memory serves). When I asked my director if he was willing to commit to it, he deadass told me to 'further explore less costly options' 😂 I've been unemployed for a year and I DREAD going back to this job, it's the ultimate BS job and it'll suck your soul out of you. People for the most part either don't care or doubt it matters in the grand scheme of things: they're 100% right.

    • @-haclong2366
      @-haclong2366 Před měsícem +40

      A lot of the time "charities" are just political lobbying groups that don't actually benefit anyone but a small group of people. When I was a fundraiser I eventually decided to drop all charities that don't support scientific research to help with the issues they're addressing.

    • @airdavis4476
      @airdavis4476 Před měsícem +2

      It definitely matters in the grand scheme of things but in the long run we are all dead right? So the question is should it matter to us? Only if the future matters to us and apparently it doesn't. The future is going to curse us all to hell.

    • @daysofend
      @daysofend Před měsícem

      I don't care how wrong Karl Marx may have been about economics at large. Profits are theft.

    • @remipoujoulat7759
      @remipoujoulat7759 Před měsícem

      And conspiracy theorists are the "bad peoples" of course...🙄

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem

      That's so sad. Like wouldn't they be more proud of themselves if they actually helped the world? I guess they'd be fired so they opt for the money.

  • @ManCatCheese
    @ManCatCheese Před měsícem +646

    they teach this in my brothers university degree. He has mastered the art of calling out the bullshit of the subject. The lecturer couldn't really respond when he mentioned the fiduciary responsibility to make the shareholders rich, and the people working at the company can be fired at any time for any reason if profit goals aren't being met. The whole thing is an oxymoron

    • @zacharysilver911
      @zacharysilver911 Před měsícem +21

      Look at HMW’s video on shareholder value. The fiduciary duty thing is a bit of a myth.

    • @brodriguez11000
      @brodriguez11000 Před měsícem +33

      Fiduciary responsibility is one of those pleasant lies business people tell themselves. There are plenty of books and online resources that address the myth and what the law really says.

    • @henghistbluetooth7882
      @henghistbluetooth7882 Před měsícem +12

      There has never been a fiduciary responsibility to make shareholders rich. Shareholders are just people who have bought an asset.

    • @giantninja9173
      @giantninja9173 Před měsícem +13

      No but the shareholders can yank their stocks and destroy the company’s liquidity resulting in bankruptcy and subsequent job losses.

    • @thegoodsmaster
      @thegoodsmaster Před měsícem +9

      Not to mention Executive suite care packages being stock based.
      Elon musk didn't make 60bil by sweating in a lab.

  • @DiversionG
    @DiversionG Před měsícem +406

    Great video, but you've got one detail wrong: Businesses do gain something from this, the large ones at least. As you mentioned, smaller entities will have a harder time breaking into a market because of these "ethics", a.k.a less competition for the big fish.
    And then there's of course the fact that it's a marketing stunt in order to cater to a segment of consumers who want to feel good about the brand they're buying from.

    • @kcnl2522
      @kcnl2522 Před měsícem

      I dont give the slightest shxt honestly. They are selling to the lefties. Idc if 20 dinosaurs had to pollute the air for me to get what i want lol 😂

    • @FutureCommentary1
      @FutureCommentary1 Před měsícem +7

      Exactly. All this CSR is BS thing and yet consumers will boycott a company that does things they consider "unethical" abroad even when that 100% legal in those foreign countries.
      Employees want to feel like they're working in an ethical company so all that front attracts employees.
      He also said in the video that when companies are seen to be involved in CSR activities they receive lesser fines than their peers.
      I thought we all understood that CSR was a PR stunt. Like we've all by now read about carbon credit/carbon capture and how it doesn't mean anything.
      Companies don't have a "soul", they don't "care". It's just people doing their job. They do what's good for the bottom line, and CSR is good for the bottom line.

    • @scottabc72
      @scottabc72 Před měsícem +4

      @@FutureCommentary1 The biggest companies can buy the laws they want in most countries.

    • @achuthas2875
      @achuthas2875 Před měsícem

      Great articulation 🦾🔥

    • @zaco-km3su
      @zaco-km3su Před měsícem

      @@FutureCommentary1
      Pal, if your daughter got pierced in a foreign country and it was 100% legal in that country, will that be oaky with you. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not. What matters is if it's ethical.

  • @Mlogan11
    @Mlogan11 Před měsícem +244

    The vid states this is bad for all: business, stakeholders, and share holders, but obviously this can't be true, or else it would be discontinued.
    It's obviously good for corporations in the following ways: 1) It creates a smoke screen that stalls actual government regulation so companies retain the power to break their own "Be Better" rules with no repercussions. 2) It costs far less than what would be required if government actually imposed true and adequate regulations and forced compliance. 3) It creates yet another barrier to entry for small business trying to enter the market so competition is reduced.

    • @napoland9676
      @napoland9676 Před měsícem +4

      Great points!

    • @sznikers
      @sznikers Před měsícem +10

      True, deception is crucial in life, from little bugs with fake giant eyes on their wings to humans waging wars, its little cost that on occasion gives big returns.

    • @bonononchev634
      @bonononchev634 Před měsícem +12

      4) There are fees to be made all over the place by consultants.

    • @sznikers
      @sznikers Před měsícem

      @@bonononchev634 and christie from office can refer her friend from college for another office desk position ; )

    • @scotteskridge7460
      @scotteskridge7460 Před měsícem

      You have to be well educated to be that stoopid mate. This mind virus is destroying companies and you should run screaming from anyone telling you otherwise

  • @KnowPiracy-zu7il
    @KnowPiracy-zu7il Před měsícem +635

    Corporate Ethics is my new favorite oxymoron.

    • @roscojenkins7451
      @roscojenkins7451 Před měsícem +6

      I still feel the best explanation of corporate ethics comes from Billy Madison

    • @warrenarnold
      @warrenarnold Před měsícem +7

      ​@@roscojenkins7451the next for me is Internet Censorship right next to it😅

    • @mztokyo7630
      @mztokyo7630 Před měsícem +7

      Similar to military intelligence.

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem +1

      It's not an oxymoron because the word ethics does not mean good ethics.

    • @handlemonium
      @handlemonium Před měsícem

      I hear "Corpo Rat Ethics" 🐀💩

  • @TWPO
    @TWPO Před měsícem +200

    True ethics requires a company to offset the harm it does. And they'll never admit to those things.

  • @tanishqsagar3440
    @tanishqsagar3440 Před měsícem +76

    As an ESG analyst in Canada, I'd say the insistence of fund managers to blindly use ESG scores as an inclusion criterion is bad too. Just last month I was reviewing a company that had poisoned indigenous lands and waterways and were fined billions of dollars, and yet, they were AA rated on MSCI...

    • @LJinx3
      @LJinx3 Před měsícem +11

      Hard agree. This is why the U.K. regulator is looking into these models. The lack of knowledge of ESG in the AM industry is also woefully low, especially around metrics.

    • @yl5821
      @yl5821 Před měsícem +3

      Tell me that’s not rio tinto lol

    • @Lonovavir
      @Lonovavir Před měsícem +3

      It's too easy to game the system to get a good rating without doing anything ethical.

    • @Erowens98
      @Erowens98 Před měsícem +3

      Thats the entire reason SG was added to ESG. Companies can offset their environmental harm by virtue signaling hard enough.
      Thankfully, at least in the EU, it seems it will no longer be ESG, rather, E and/or SG. Separating the scores will prevent greenwashing with political activism.
      This is why in the passed few years almost every major company has started to engage in political activism.

  • @spicymemes7458
    @spicymemes7458 Před měsícem +239

    This is how social movements are co-opted

    • @vytah
      @vytah Před měsícem +36

      This is how Occupy Wall Street was neutralized

    • @Masterdesstruct
      @Masterdesstruct Před měsícem

      Sadly most of social movements are co-opted from the start. Most of the stuff we focus on wouldn't really benefit society and ultimately benefit companies. Instead we should focus on how the financial system is destroying our society, how the fed has destroyed the value of dollar. But nobody wants to touch the problems that make the economical powers uncomfortable, it's all about "diversity" and some other BS

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 Před měsícem

      Careful. Risking the BLM people hosing you down with their metric tons of denial.

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 Před měsícem +14

      Lol gotta love YT censorship. Anyway....
      Careful. Risking the Bee El Em people hosing you down with their metric tons of denial.

    • @OnlineEcosystems
      @OnlineEcosystems Před měsícem +2

      @@vytah Facts.

  • @justinfowler2857
    @justinfowler2857 Před měsícem +80

    Henry Ford tried to look out for his business and employees. He was sued by the Dodge Brothers. The Supreme Court ruled that Ford as CEO of a public company only have 1 responsibility. They are required to maximize returns for shareholders. We've been stuck with that crap ever since.

    • @Pasta_Pirate
      @Pasta_Pirate Před měsícem +9

      "look out" yeahhhh totally... e.g. enforcing mandated lifestyles outside of work at pain of firing and more broad attempts to force his employee's to match his ideal. (keep in mind henry ford's 'ideals' were very problematic)
      To be fair he did do good stuff but Henry Ford's desire to 'look out' for his employee's wasn't necessarily a good trait of his.

    • @mikesimms5750
      @mikesimms5750 Před měsícem +27

      Context matters, Pasta. In a world where most employers would actively have you dragged out back and beaten for insubordination, Ford was a fucking godsend.
      Analyzing history through the lens of the present and refusing to contextualize anything makes you the dummy, here.

    • @Pasta_Pirate
      @Pasta_Pirate Před měsícem +10

      @@mikesimms5750 Social inspectors spying on employees were not the norm even back then, he also went further when making his rubber plantation Fordlandia all of this is well beyond insubordination in the workplace this is literally compelling you to live the way Ford wanted you to live.
      Again I'm not saying he was a terrible employer in all-respects but his social-engineering attempts to match his political views were pretty messed up.

    • @Pasta_Pirate
      @Pasta_Pirate Před měsícem +3

      To be clear, I do think he genuinely did care, and he provided well-paying jobs alongside certain social benefits to employee's. This is shown in the case OP's referring to he did want to expand employment to more employees at the cost of profits and the supreme court ruled against that (imho noble) aim. However this approach of him wanting to run his company based on what he cares about is where he got to push his bad social views as well which shows the dangers of what happens when companies get to set their own scope beyond just profits.
      Hence why its best to let companies do their thing and have the public use regulation/protests/boycotts to keep them ethical instead of hoping they'll decide to be 'good' as the CEO's idea of 'good' may be very divorced from the public's.

    • @paulb5571
      @paulb5571 Před měsícem +1

      Anyone who thinks of well of Henry Ford has never taken a Michigan History class. He spied on his own workers, and his views were considered "inspirational" by Adolf Hitler. He was pretty much strong armed into the wage raising and more reasonable shift schedule by the high ranking people immediately under him. He had a number of his workers murdered for various reasons, such as if they were thought to support unionization. He refused to step down despite declining physical and mental health, essentially being barely coherent and still trying to run his company. When his son Edsel developed stomach cancer from persistent ulcers, Henry blamed it on his sons diet and smoking. Which is ironic considering it was likely a combination of his father's constant humiliation of him and disease from unpasteurized milk from Henry's farm. Henry Ford stands as a reminder that being a great man and being a good man are not the same thing.

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    @yung1448 Před 17 hodinami +29

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  • @oafkad
    @oafkad Před měsícem +47

    Any large business ends up indistinguishable from government. So the question becomes do you want to be controlled by governments that self declare their only interest is money and that you literally 100% have no influence over?
    Like I know voting can suck but this is leagues worse.

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 Před měsícem +5

      Well its basically roman empire vs holy roman empire. One is way worse then other, and its not an OG roman empire.

  • @anonymousqaz95
    @anonymousqaz95 Před měsícem +49

    Finally a clip calling put the bull...on ESG. The first thing that I thought when I heard about ESG was...this sounds like market consolidation for big corporations and the death of smaller companies.😢

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem

      check out ben felix

  • @georgerafa5041
    @georgerafa5041 Před měsícem +64

    I remember my ethics class in my master's tried to convince us that workers don't care about money they care about 'making a difference' and I was the only person in the class that publicly disputed that virtue signalling BS

    • @stevenhenry5267
      @stevenhenry5267 Před měsícem

      You're another person who is part of the problem

    • @TheSmartcartridge
      @TheSmartcartridge Před měsícem +8

      @@stevenhenry5267how is he part of the problem?

    • @Erowens98
      @Erowens98 Před měsícem

      ​@@stevenhenry5267he's right though. Almost nobody is out there working for free just because the company is doing good things. A pay cheque is the prerequisite.

    • @zaco-km3su
      @zaco-km3su Před měsícem +11

      @@stevenhenry5267
      No, he's not. Workers care about money. Some workers in some fields might want to make a difference but that's another issue.

    • @0ovidio0
      @0ovidio0 Před měsícem

      ​​@@stevenhenry5267 no, you are delusional if you deny what is human nature. Selfish and greedy.

  • @GrannyReplica
    @GrannyReplica Před měsícem +31

    The company I work at added CSR to employees' yearly objectives. I used to love volunteering for tree planting initiatives, but ever since CSR& volunteering became unofficially mandatory, I feel like I don't want to do it anymore.
    And all the brain-rotting, dumb trainings they force on employees, oh my god... 🙄

    • @raymond_luxury_yacht
      @raymond_luxury_yacht Před měsícem +3

      I'm forced to do exclusion inequality and division training every two years. I am working on getting ai to do this for me.

    • @xelaxander
      @xelaxander Před měsícem

      Holy hell. As contractor, I usually have to do our trainings (The contents of which are: Don’t bribe anyone, don’t commit sexual assault, don’t put stuff in front of the emergency exit) and our customers’ with almost identical content.

  • @jimbojimbo6873
    @jimbojimbo6873 Před měsícem +34

    I would respect a company more if it was just honest and said we are here to make money and don’t care about the rest.

    • @chieftain5571
      @chieftain5571 Před 18 dny

      Liars don't lie merely to evade. They lie because it's become who they are, for no reason of gain. Its just part of how they communicate.

  • @whi8204
    @whi8204 Před měsícem +120

    Man its weird to find a video less than a minute after it's posted, it doesn't feel right...

  • @cane6074
    @cane6074 Před měsícem +21

    ESG is a means in which insecure, status obsessed rich people with too much time and money on their hands deal with their own existential angst, usually when they're 10th yacht or Learjet no longer brings a buzz to them, or they find their young trophy wife or mistresses no longer exciting. It's also a way of which underperforming CEOs can get better job security by making the standards of which they're judged become more subjective and fuzzy, who would in normal circumstances would have been fired long ago. It's also the same thing with worthless middle management types, they're initiating mission creep in order to avoid being cut by exaggerating or manufacturing problems at what state offers so-called solutions. ESG is nothing more than parasitism, it's what happens when you have a bunch of money concert in the hands of two few people who have nothing left to buy or strive for. Decadence 101.

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem +1

      normal people buy ESG funds, they want to do good with their money

  • @DrEhrfurchtgebietend
    @DrEhrfurchtgebietend Před měsícem +30

    To put this in context, Boeing just killed their second whistleblower

  • @ilikebudlite
    @ilikebudlite Před měsícem +29

    Boeing business ethics is to off their actual ethical employees

  • @jonaskeepauthor1935
    @jonaskeepauthor1935 Před měsícem +52

    “Brought to you by EA Sports, YOU’RE in the game… Dave”

  • @PowerboatTraining
    @PowerboatTraining Před měsícem +11

    I never voted for any company to determine standards for me. ESG is highly undemocratic.

    • @yl5821
      @yl5821 Před měsícem

      And there are so many different standards all across the world. Who’s to say one standard is better than the other. These standards are not recognised by anyone else but themselves and the companies who use them. How do we make sure that these standards are actually good? How do we compare one company to another when the standards are different? In short, ESG is all bullshit. Unfortunately I am in a university degree that forces me to say that ESG is good

    • @altrag
      @altrag Před 22 dny

      Companies are determining standards for you every single day, and mane of them are far more detrimental to you than ESG could ever be.
      ESG is only "big news" because the political left decided that "doing the right thing" with respect to environmental and social activities is important to their platform, and therefore the right decided "doing the right thing" must be bad for no better reason than "pwning the libs." It's little more than political theatre but companies like Blackrock have found ways to abuse it nonetheless.

  • @vladmilosteanu321
    @vladmilosteanu321 Před měsícem +72

    That tiger animation was fire 🔥🔥🔥

  • @onrean
    @onrean Před měsícem +5

    I am very glad I went to school before DEI, ESG, and other agendas got big. My business ethics class didn't look like these those. It was more about giving the students a very practical framework on which to make ethical decisions and then reviewing case studies and analyzing them. It was very eye opening and actually one of my favorite non-technical classes.

  • @andrewnixon5872
    @andrewnixon5872 Před měsícem +20

    I was listening until you brought up Milton Friedman.
    I whole heartedly agree that industries should not self regulate.

    • @Here4TheHeckOfIt
      @Here4TheHeckOfIt Před měsícem +1

      Self-regulating companies are like addicts at a drug buffet.

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 Před měsícem +1

      Well at least before we build a real functioning decentralised society (without it turning into centralised dictatorship in a decade or two as it usually happens). At this point humanity will be well past profit margins, shareholders value and all other bs.

  • @Celrador
    @Celrador Před měsícem +17

    "The real solution to all of this is to let regulators regulate, businesses seek profit, and for the people to decide what businesses should and should not be doing."
    Casually ignoring the fact that this requires:
    1) An uncorruptable body of regulators.
    2) A people that can't be manipulated. (e.g. PR industry, commercials/advertisements, virtue signaling, propaganda model, and so on)

    • @kandaimai9944
      @kandaimai9944 Před měsícem +2

      Would you rather have a board of potentially corrupt regulators, or CEOs who will definitely regulate themselves "properly"?

    • @Celrador
      @Celrador Před měsícem +3

      ​@@kandaimai9944 The question you pose is too narrow.
      How about the following:
      More democratic institutions and democratic checks of those in power (the regulators) combined with different business structures and ownership, which lead to other incentives than just increasing shareholder value (like an economy dominated by worker cooperatives).

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem

      ESG isn't the real solution, either. So we're just doomed.

    • @Celrador
      @Celrador Před měsícem +1

      @@nietur Nah. ESG might be crap, but there are alternatives. Just read my reply to the other comment in this chain. (Of course that solution isn't flawless either, but it tries to account for the problems I mentioned.)

    • @scooterman30
      @scooterman30 Před měsícem

      @@kandaimai9944 honestly the issue is human corruption in general and incentives. self regulation, state backed regulation, or anything in between based on your world view is still subject to human nature.

  • @intensivecarebear1938
    @intensivecarebear1938 Před měsícem +26

    Ready for your weekly dose of crushed hopes and dreams?

  • @ri3sch
    @ri3sch Před měsícem +42

    Privatization of oversight

    • @Lonovavir
      @Lonovavir Před měsícem +8

      I investigated myself and pronounce myself innocent.

  • @zaidifamily1357
    @zaidifamily1357 Před měsícem +3

    Great Video! Weird to find it so quick

  • @nd1106
    @nd1106 Před měsícem

    Great video,, I’ve recently attended a CFA dinner speaking about ESG investing and I was impressed with how the speaker did not burst out laughing with all the hot air being spewed the food was nice though

  • @carljones9640
    @carljones9640 Před měsícem +1

    The worst outcome of this stuff isn't even the deregulation of business. It's that people look at all of this and think the scam is caring about ethics or regulation in the first place, and somehow arrive at the conclusion that none of this would have happened had businesses not been pressured to behaving ethically in the first place or that somehow de-regulation would have prevented this.

  • @chrisnuk
    @chrisnuk Před měsícem

    This is the video I wanted from you. I was expecting something longer and more savage.
    It was concise points made by an insider, I've not thought myself guilty of what I'm going to say, but I think I try too hard! You're a portal into another world 😊

  • @DrEhrfurchtgebietend
    @DrEhrfurchtgebietend Před měsícem +13

    Schwab is obviously a super villain

  • @funniguy2967
    @funniguy2967 Před měsícem +5

    only 10k views in a hour, the algorithm is against us

  • @SpeilSeseKeith
    @SpeilSeseKeith Před měsícem +18

    I would never upload to CZcams after they FIRED many employees OVER MAKING A RICH PROFIT. Do you have your own site you upload exclusively to? Google-YT-Alphabet doesn't deserve their creators or power. I am typing this to spread awareness on the dangers joblessness does.

    • @useodyseeorbitchute9450
      @useodyseeorbitchute9450 Před měsícem

      Well, that's relatively minor thing comparing to their every day political censorship...

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem

      CZcams pays a lot to their creators. You also gonna stop using Google because they had layoffs? They could employ so many more people with these huge profits they take in. Like logically, you should boycott companies that make lots of profits instead of hiring more people if you dislike firing. Anyways, they don't seem to be on Nebula or Patreon, else they'd link it.

  • @suave5692
    @suave5692 Před měsícem +3

    Regulators can be bribed, and people can be misled and distracted with bread and games. Profit was the real problem all along, allowing the already powerful to grab everything else for themselves.

  • @spoonikle
    @spoonikle Před měsícem +6

    "Our company is committed to sustainability.
    this is why, we have decided to cut worker compensation and donate to my cousins NGO, they are doing the real work anyway."

  • @ammigk254
    @ammigk254 Před měsícem +22

    Great video as always!!

  • @cowboy4378
    @cowboy4378 Před měsícem +9

    i believe that this this is a way to keep competition out. I recently took part in a university challenge to develop a start-up from an idea and pitch it, the best idea would go on to receive additional funding and support. One of the questions we were asked was "How will your business work towards net zero emissions". Not will it, but how it will. Like im still figuring out the "How will your business make money" part.
    on one hand though i cant help but laugh watching socialists be tricked into protecting massive companies by keeping out competition for them.

  • @isaacnewton3514
    @isaacnewton3514 Před měsícem +2

    The editing is insane on this one 🔥

  • @thescaarbo8652
    @thescaarbo8652 Před měsícem +15

    So that explains all the companies that decided to go/insist on being woke.

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 Před měsícem +3

      Pretty much. It also turned pretty reasonable movement into another corporative asset, with all its characteristics. Same with green stuff, its all brands and corporations, and big big funds, not caring people.

    • @sor3999
      @sor3999 Před měsícem +4

      @@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Was it all that reasonable when some simple corporate pandering to them works?

    • @Lonovavir
      @Lonovavir Před měsícem +1

      They get a good reputation without having to be ethical. Great deal for them and exclusively them.

  • @cuvarleptira
    @cuvarleptira Před měsícem

    Thank you for this video!

  • @kezia8027
    @kezia8027 Před měsícem +1

    lmao have you got a new editor? The dancing tiger was a... surprising addition lmao

  • @TheSimArchitect
    @TheSimArchitect Před měsícem +1

    Thank you! 👏🏻👏🏻

  • @CMVBrielman
    @CMVBrielman Před měsícem

    10:03 Thank you! Burying the lede by saying that part last.

  • @xLTxFire
    @xLTxFire Před měsícem

    I was going to bring up that valuing stakeholders is effectively illegal, but you already brought up Friedman and ended with a link to another video on the topic. Presumably that goes into the Ford v. Dodge and Friedman + Welch debacles.

  • @RacecarJ0hnny
    @RacecarJ0hnny Před měsícem +1

    lmao this editing style is insane 😂😂

  • @user-mm8vw1ow1x
    @user-mm8vw1ow1x Před 27 dny

    There's nothing more valuable than a good environment

  • @doujinflip
    @doujinflip Před měsícem +7

    If we want corporations to be responsible to stakeholders, the law has to mandate such, defining and prioritizing said stakeholders.
    From what I understand, that should be the customers first, then overall public interest, then employees starting from entry-level and ending with executives, then passive shareholders last.

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem

      If you prioritize customers over shareholders, you'd have to give shareholders some kind of minimum return. If that's fixed because all other money goes to customers or employees, there's no profit incentive.

    • @Pasta_Pirate
      @Pasta_Pirate Před měsícem

      That wouldn't really work, there needs to be some incentive to invest. Fundamentally business's need motive to strive for efficiency or else they'll be outcompeted.
      Owners being prioritised is a good method of this as owners have incentive to achieve that. The broader issue is that ownership of companies is dominated by the elite the problem at least in terms of social equity is that businesses are incentivised to serve their owners that are predominantly elites and a minority of the public.
      The best solution to this is a wealth tax e.g. 1% of all assets yearly as a substitute for income tax and other things then the rich's wealth will be slowly redistributed via taxes to the nation's that make them rich via taxes, meaning more common people as investors meaning companies will have more representative stakeholders.
      (could be progressive as well with lower rates for poorer and would suggest a Georgist land-tax as well)
      Incidentally this would mean lower income taxes meaning there is more reward/incentive from work, and would over time reduce inflation and the cost of assets e.g. houses, stocks etc which would be good for an overinflated asset market as people would need to convert assets into liquidity.
      This also is a better system to account for how capital increasingly is capable of creating capital e.g. robots/AI meaning forces these productive forces to also contribute to the tax-base opposed to just tax's on human productive effort (e.g. income)
      However yes absolutely it is necessary to fulfil the contracts they make and those contracts should be fair & earnest (enforced by law) with employees/customers.
      The only frustration is capital flight however with international tax cooperation and other efforts that is increasingly manageable.
      TLDR while law should ensure good company employee/customer contracts a wealth tax is good for society and a better solution to increase common investors share of companies incentivising them to act in the public interest.

  • @chemquests
    @chemquests Před měsícem

    To be fair, for the corporations it’s a genius idea. Extra investment & credit without doing anything substantial

  • @gyurmarajzfilm
    @gyurmarajzfilm Před 27 dny

    I work in an environmental dep. of a larger company. We have to use so many hours on obligatory sustainability reportings, to achieve all kind of sustainability certificates, and to comply with some not particularly progressive government regulations, that we don't have much capacity to actually do something that has a measurable impact. At this point I feel like these ESG reports and certificates are just a lot of smoke on little fire, and this time that could be better spent setting up projects that do make a difference.

  • @D00Rb3LL
    @D00Rb3LL Před měsícem +9

    Interesting, i completed my bachelors degree in business a while ago and we were taught this. Didn’t really question anything because I’m just trying to get the grade

    • @attila2246
      @attila2246 Před měsícem

      Yep and businesses don’t really question anything because they just want to tick the box and continue making profits.

  • @agsbxnskqbwjakq
    @agsbxnskqbwjakq Před 26 dny

    I feel like a major point was missed in the last section. One of the most important reasons big companies, especially ones with obvious and well known environmental downsides are paying this "voluntary tax" as a way to let them make their own decisions while reducing pressure for regulation that would force them to do it. Its an opportinuty cost play, self imposed guidelines are cheaper. They know theres pressure to be more climate friendly, and they want to retain control over how that happens to LIMIT the impact to their bottom line that goverment imposed rules would create.

  • @luisfilipe2023
    @luisfilipe2023 Před měsícem +9

    The main problem is that pretty much all “ethical” companies have a pretty fucked up idea what ethics is

    • @brodriguez11000
      @brodriguez11000 Před měsícem +4

      That's why "A Business Tale: A Story of Ethics, Choices, Success and a Very Large Rabbit " was an interesting read both in personal and business ethics.

    • @patricklippert8345
      @patricklippert8345 Před měsícem +3

      Even if there was some metric for ethical practices, big companies could either make a charitable donation to the company to tip the scales or min-max the rubric so they get the "Certified Not Evil" seal of approval.

  • @gabrielespindola4461
    @gabrielespindola4461 Před 28 dny

    Busines ethics is the greatest idea ever. You can justify annyting, get lots of free monney and marketing from the Trust funds and when everything crashes down you get a large severance package and let the retail investors to foot the bill.

  • @pearlsstephen
    @pearlsstephen Před měsícem +14

    People don't understand that the prices of things are never going back down. This inflation is deeper than we think. Those buying groceries are well aware that the real inflation is much over 10%. The increments don't match our income, yet certain investors still earn over $10,400 in stocks and assets. Wish I could accomplish that.

    • @Amelia10249
      @Amelia10249 Před měsícem

      The crypt0 market is bringing a different revolution in the world economy. People who are optimistic investor will earn consistent why the others will sit back and watch.

    • @Lisa12696
      @Lisa12696 Před měsícem

      I think to combat the negatives effect of inflthinkation, it's a good idea to diversify your portfolio across different asset classes, since this can help protect your portfolio against inflation.

    • @LCurley
      @LCurley Před měsícem

      That is true my dear, Investment is the best idea presently and without it, human struggles are worthless.

    • @DaveRondon
      @DaveRondon Před měsícem

      *I would really love to know how much work you did put in to get to the stage..what are the strategy*

    • @pearlsstephen
      @pearlsstephen Před měsícem

      *Laura Ferguson method is the best. Got her info on BBC news.four Years ago and i started following her lead and it's favoring me.i Lost my job early last year and right now, I am back on top again.*

  • @4RILDIGITAL
    @4RILDIGITAL Před měsícem +1

    Corporate ethics are often just a smokescreen for appearing righteous. Self-regulation can never replace actual regulation as a company's main goal would always be profit. The focus should be on creating standard regulations for all.

  • @Zed_Oud
    @Zed_Oud Před měsícem +23

    This is what taxes and regulations are for.
    Like the Land Value Tax.

    • @LG-pt5kt
      @LG-pt5kt Před měsícem +2

      Farmers offset those costs into your food. Renters see in their rent. It's just another incentive not to buy land, and stretches the cost even when adjusted for your income.

    • @Hunter-dj9ld
      @Hunter-dj9ld Před měsícem +1

      @@LG-pt5ktTaxes and regulations don’t typically have as much of an effect on prices as some people make it out to be. Many goods are sold at their optimal price that was determined using the vasts amounts of data available. If they raise prices any significant amount, people will stop buying goods. If this happens, total profits go down more then they would have if they just absorbed the costs. If a good has an inelastic demand, then it may be a factor. However, even with those types of goods, they can raise prices without any sort of major reasons as people will still need to buy them. I’m also not sure farmers was the best example to use. They already are subsidized for most of what they produce. The farmers themselves don’t have much control over what price they sell their goods at.

    • @theMichaelMelo
      @theMichaelMelo Před měsícem

      @@Hunter-dj9ld Don't give the government any funny ideas.

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem

      I like a wealth tax more because why only focus on land and therefore advantage other assets?

    • @nietur
      @nietur Před měsícem

      @@Hunter-dj9ld Farmers and groceries don't have high margins. Food is pretty inelastic, maybe people would buy less meat as it'd be over-proportionally effected. Taxing what you subzidize is silly indeed.

  • @lucalavagnino5258
    @lucalavagnino5258 Před měsícem

    I just wrote an essay at school today about the subject. The guideline was "Corporate social responsibility". It took me 5 pages to explain it was all bullshit.

  • @e2rqey
    @e2rqey Před měsícem +8

    How can you have the government properly enforce controls on these huge companies, when lobbying and money enables companies to subvert or dismantle any actual attempts at government regulations?

    • @BittermanAndy
      @BittermanAndy Před měsícem +9

      Ban lobbying. Ban corporate donations. Problem solved.

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 Před měsícem

      Because they actually need to search for people accepting bribes instead of ordering THEIR OWN goons to do something about public outrage? And then they can just flat out refuse if their career is on the line. Freedom of choice (tho one choice is way more tempting then other) vs do or next person will do it for you.

    • @nevisysbryd7450
      @nevisysbryd7450 Před měsícem

      You cannot. Institutional capture is not subversion, it is the inevitable norm of the state.

    • @altrag
      @altrag Před 22 dny

      @@BittermanAndy > Ban lobbying. Ban corporate donations. Problem solved.
      Chicken and egg problem. The government would have to create the ban, and the lobbyists would work to avoid that.
      The only way this gets fixed is by voters going out of their way to research their candidates and vote for the ones willing to stand up to corporate interests, all the way down the ballot and at all levels of government. Unfortunately the vast majority of people are lazy and will vote for the candidate with the best ad campaign, which means the one with the most money to spend on ad campaigns, which generally means the one with the most corporate ties, whether through corporate donation or through their own corporate interests.
      Or in other words, you can't rely on the government to fix things that go against corporate interests. You obviously can't rely on the corporations to do that. Grass roots efforts are the only option, and that's a very slow burn - often taking a decade or two _plus_ a triggering event to go from an idea to a movement large enough to get noticed and have even the slightest hope of voters taking notice (and small incremental changes made). MLK was a preacher, not a president.

    • @chieftain5571
      @chieftain5571 Před 18 dny

      Some people, GOP, mix bs with business. If you want a livable wage or clean water, you're gay, communist, or godless. If you think businesses and rich people should pay taxes, you're gay, a communist, or godless.

  • @TheChrisaige
    @TheChrisaige Před měsícem

    Got it create a index that only invest in unionized companies and measures how "democratic" a company is (aka how mich workers have a say in its operation) and how much money goes towards their employees and how the wage gap between lowest, median, average and higherst earners looks like.
    I would invest tbh, sounds way better than ESG and should be easy to measure

  • @GlizzySan
    @GlizzySan Před měsícem +1

    I just took business ethics last semester and I liked it😭

    • @chieftain5571
      @chieftain5571 Před 18 dny

      You'll realize its like a child's bedtime story. You'll become almost ill knowing the realities of business.

  • @RYXPfan
    @RYXPfan Před měsícem

    With the references to Bill Gurley and showing Chamath in one clip, looks like How Money Works is a fellow All In Podcast listener 😉

  • @hungrymusicwolf
    @hungrymusicwolf Před měsícem +1

    Morals and values are always a human problem. You can't solve it by creating rules. Even regulators cannot make a business ethical at best they can make it not a complete humanitarian catastrophe. They're the last line of defense, but the first one is people. From the manager that refuses to work for a business that exploits its people to the customer hearing the news and changing their buying habits.
    While that first line was never an all encompassing solution, today more than ever it is near impossible for the average person to keep track of all the things businesses do they think is wrong. We should be focusing more on enabling people to have a better understanding of businesses by making things both more transparent and easier to understand. By people I include everyone here. From the average customer/voter to CEO's trying to figure out which business to work with next.

  • @paial
    @paial Před měsícem +1

    People respond to incentives, companies are just a group of people, so they respond to incentives.
    The relevant incentives for a company and ESG just don't align...

  • @chenholmes6393
    @chenholmes6393 Před měsícem +1

    What was up with that tiger 😂😂😂😂

  • @neverendingparty2060
    @neverendingparty2060 Před měsícem

    Can you do a video on the value of comunity service?
    Pewresearch values a hour of comunity service at little more then $30/hr. Where I live minimum wage is $10, over time is $15 and double time is $20. No time at work will amount to the value we add to our comunties and each other.

  • @madmaxxing1006
    @madmaxxing1006 Před měsícem

    PERRO SANXE DETECTED AT 1:50 lmao that's hilarious

  • @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
    @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley Před měsícem

    The moment I saw Herbalife in the opening, all I could utter was an, "Ooh, nooo...!" 😂

  • @edstockman5584
    @edstockman5584 Před měsícem

    Point #3 is a caveat in so many parts of our life, and a paradox in human rights concerns. Everyone has different ethical standards, and everyone's ethical standards are their as a human being and are 100% their right....so what happens when one person's ethics directly conflict with another? Then it becomes a 'well my ethics are perfect for me only' mindset, and then you have ethical values which directly impact and go against others (say equal rights for all).

  • @JoeJoeTater
    @JoeJoeTater Před měsícem +6

    In other words, neoneoliberalism...

  • @huntermiller2474
    @huntermiller2474 Před měsícem +1

    Its simply a way for companies to legally purchase social and political influence.

  • @PatrickKellyLoneCoder
    @PatrickKellyLoneCoder Před měsícem +1

    "stakeholder capitalism" sounds a lot like the writings of a prominent bearded man who hated capitalism. What an oxymoron.

  • @leteoff
    @leteoff Před měsícem +3

    Love you HMW ❤️.

  • @profdc9501
    @profdc9501 Před měsícem +7

    Yeah, ethics like "don't be evil." Until you can get away with it.

  • @donwald3436
    @donwald3436 Před měsícem +1

    Performative ethics" I love it.

  • @hyndriandelmundo6855
    @hyndriandelmundo6855 Před měsícem

    To be honest is all about gain tax cut . U can add company expenses so have alibi to ask government some tax exemption

  • @TheFriendOfLucifer
    @TheFriendOfLucifer Před měsícem

    Interesting video, however, it only shows the perspective from the USA. Meanwhile in the EU, regulators are actively working on ESG-related regulation. There's two interesting things in this:
    1. Companies will have to report environmental issues based on a given framework, which means they will have to report them without things such as Carbon credits (they can still report their offsets etc, but they have to report the original numbers)
    2. Companies will have to report the ratio between entry level salary and minimum wage.
    As somebody who needs a job, I'm really looking forward to the second one.

  • @13253415
    @13253415 Před 16 dny

    It is not about business. You've missed an important part: censorship. It is pretty universal to have in constitution that censorship is bad. But it is also very tempting... And legal for a business. And now all you need to censor something is to make it a part of "ethical" behavior.

  • @JadeMarco
    @JadeMarco Před měsícem +1

    By the way you described these measures working or rather not working is really not the right way. But but trying to push some form of ethics into capitalism - a system that has an inherent tendency for immorality - is absolutely crucial for the survival of a civilised and good society. So the idea is not dumb in the slightest, in fact those who would oppose it are the dumb ones. It's just that this particular implementation of it sucks.

  • @davidinwashington
    @davidinwashington Před měsícem +4

    New Coke was the worst business decision in history.

    • @roscojenkins7451
      @roscojenkins7451 Před měsícem +4

      Or best. Coke supposedly was going to alter the coke ingredients and make a slightly different flavor.
      They knew it wouldn't go over well so they took new coke and replaced classic coke fully. Then months later reintroduced the "original" coke with new ingredients. And enough time had passed that most didn't realize it

  • @MrTrollTheMadGamer
    @MrTrollTheMadGamer Před 21 dnem

    I'd be curious to see if this applies to ethical super funds in Australia. It'd be cool if you could make a video on it but it wouldn't have that much appeal.

  • @Slateproc
    @Slateproc Před měsícem

    They saw the ESRB and said "hey, we can do that too!"

  • @deohenge1865
    @deohenge1865 Před měsícem

    It's an easy bet that if big companies are willing to dump money into self-regulating to begin with, and that regulation moves externally, they'll just find a way to funnel funding to the external regulators to swing decisions in their favor. "Let regulators regulate" seems like it'll only work at all if regulators aren't being subsidized by the very businesses they're supposed to regulate.

  • @ilobmirt
    @ilobmirt Před měsícem +1

    I agree. Business and ethics don't mix. Let's get rid of business.

  • @PaballoKobe-xh9ve
    @PaballoKobe-xh9ve Před měsícem +1

    Dont worey officer i dont need the cuffs ill just stay here

  • @zaco-km3su
    @zaco-km3su Před měsícem

    EA? HMW is a gamer!
    So...ESG is a way to market/advertise actively traded funds because they usually underperform when it comes to returns in comparison to a passive index fund.

  • @XBotticelli
    @XBotticelli Před měsícem

    Whouaaaaa that Boeing ad was wild !

  • @MikhaelHausgeist
    @MikhaelHausgeist Před 26 dny

    Oldman refuse to pass out and left a way for Young one... This is essential of big businesses nowadays.

  • @this_is_japes7409
    @this_is_japes7409 Před měsícem

    2:11 something feels incredibly wrong about that mouth movement like it looks extremely artificial. idk random thing i noticed. maybe there's something odd with the frame rate, since I don't think it's playing at native speed.

  • @EcomCarl
    @EcomCarl Před měsícem +2

    It's crucial that real authorities step in to ensure ethical standards are truly enforced. Balancing profitability and ethical impact remains a challenging but necessary endeavor. 🌎

  • @brycejohansen7114
    @brycejohansen7114 Před měsícem +7

    "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure"

  • @dosmastrify
    @dosmastrify Před 7 dny

    I mean I think that the company should go after this but that doesn't mean that the government should change how they regulate the companies. You still need to be somebody at the switch

  • @DeadDancers
    @DeadDancers Před měsícem

    ‘Companies should look after their stakeholders’ - sounds like we’ve just circled back around to little fiefdoms building bridges and churches for their peasant property.

  • @foozballguy
    @foozballguy Před měsícem

    Think you're slightly missing the point, it is about exerting external pressure to force companies to behave well in instances where there isn't and cannot be regulation. E.g. a manufacturer sending their operations overseas. Totally allowed but in stakeholder activism you would pressure the company to keep operations domestic, despite the fact it means the companies will see lower profits. As long as the company is still in the black, it is justifiable.

  • @TheChannelofOrange
    @TheChannelofOrange Před měsícem +7

    The only thing these companies need the get ESG funding is DEI, not real change in governance, worker rights and real sustainability