To be honest with you, anybody that watches and knows how Dave Ramsey operates is not surprised by anything that was on the recording. If you guys listened to his show, you would find that all those so-called "secret recordings" he says on his show all of the time. He has said how he will fire people for this or that. He is very blunt about it. There is no secret about anything that he says. I've heard him say far far worse than any of those recordings you guys just had us listen to. So this is just another click bait video.
Exactly. Even I think his grip on his employees personal life is a bit much, but nothing I heard in there recordings is a shock in the slightest. It’s not even mean, it’s like a mild scolding from a teacher. People are so soft.
Dave saying what undoubtedly some of his younger, freely parented little snowflakes NEEDED TO HEAR. Of course they are shocked, they want to be babied even in a workplace.
@@daveyjoneslocker4703 calling someone stupid is exceedingly unprofessional condescending and can easily be perceived as “mean”. Referencing someone as stupid is an insult and insults are inherently mean
If you watch Dave Ramsey on youtube or listen to him on the radio, it is easy to imagine that Dave would not be an easy person to work for. He can't really contain his short temper on the air, and that's when he's trying to be his best self. Imagine off the air - yeah I'm sure it can get ugly at times. I love Dave and think he gives great advice, but I would never, ever want to work for him.
Once I had a job interview where the company said they have a 0 tolerance towards marijuana use and as a smoker of marijuana I stated that I wouldn’t be able to meet their demands and would like to finish the interview. We shook hands and I got a different job. Now imagine that I lied and then I got found out, on what basis can I sue the employer?
The basis would be unfair treatment because a co worker is a known smoker and is still employed. Meanwhile they waste no time firing you. The rules have to apply to all.
@@bighands69 it’s unlikely that they kept the paper trail that shows that the ex wife told them. Chris made the company way to much money for Dave to hold him to the same standards. He even says as much in this video 😆
“They fired 5 men and 4 women for having premarital sex.” So how exactly are they treating women different than men? Hogan was the number two guy in the company, it had nothing to do with his gender. If you want leniency then sell millions of books like Hogan did.
One explanation would be, for instance, if 20 male employees had been known to break Ramsey's rules, and 5 females, which resulted in 5 males and 4 females being fired. However, that is just a hypothetical. I don't know the reality of the situation, but I'm hoping each lawyer does when they make assertions like this. Looks like they finally did pull the pin on Hogan, which at least makes Ramsey less of a hypocrite.
If a guy (who works for Ramsey) gets his girlfriend pregnant, as long as he keeps his mouth shut about it all is good. Yeah, his close friends at work will likely find out, but chances are pretty good that Dave, himself, never finds out about it. With 900 employees and a business empire to run, this has got to be a low priority item for upper management. But, if a non-married female employee get pregnant, she is screwed. There is no way to hide it. The woman is at a distinct disadvantage.
It could be though that Hogan was worth more than the female employee was cause we all knew Hogan. He was huge in the company. The girl that they fired was someone nobody knew. So it was not cause Hogan was a man, it was because Hogan was popular and very well loved and did a lot for the company. It wasn't gender, it was status. Not that that is good, but it makes more sense than them using the gender excuse.
No, what's a joke is a company making its employees agree to a strict morality clause, but letting things slide with certain top people because you're out a bunch of money in book sales if you terminate them as fast as you would some peon.
@@larrybarbee4916 exactly. I don’t care that there is a book deal/tour on the docket. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Apply the rules evenly across the board.
Nope you're wrong Employer's have no right in the outside work affairs of their staff when it comes to their sexual relations. Ramsey is going to get grilled in court.
@@gl0ck912 Damn wrong again, Employers have no grounds to have contractual obligations for their w2 employees personal lives as it pertains to sexual preferences or arrangements.
@@murrygondwana7260 If you work for the companies he owns, he is allowed to instill values in his employees and hold them accountable. He believes his values makes you a better person so he doesn’t want his employees breaking them. And they knew what they signed up for when they accepted the job. With your same logic, it’s okay for someone to do drugs at home and the employer shouldn’t dictate to them that they can or can’t take drugs? And they aren’t allowed to fire them for it? Hmm.
@@murrygondwana7260 yeah that doesnt work today. Just saw supervisor at my large company fired for something he spoke about on Facebook after 17 years of working there.
I will not work for an organization whose core values I don't agree with. You should not compel a company to change its philosophy. Create your own company that agrees with you values. Period.
The story is they fired her but tried to sweep it under the rug when it came to Chris. Imagine being fired at a job for something and a coworker does the same thing and he is allowed to keep his job. Would you be ok with that?
Yeah I had seen some whining about him being hypocritical, but if it's in the contract you have no reason to complain, especially since he verbally mentions it.
The thing is is there is no different side of him. Everything on those recordings is things he says on a daily basis in front of millions and millions of people everyday.
I don’t even work for Dave and I know this. 🤣 This is part of his moral and values as a Christian. If I don’t agree with it, why would I apply and want to work there?
@@Veritas-dq2hs how is a rule that goes after the sex lives of his employees (unless he likes them I guess) in any way ethical practice though? I think that's the main issue. Imagine you've given years to his company and got fired because you met someone at a bar you really liked, but the guy who cheated on his wife gets a pass. That's just bs and there's no debating that.
Guys he can believe whatever he wants. What is wrong with yall, he can fire someone who broke the values he was born and raised on. That is his right, it is his company and has the right to fire whoever breaks his company rules.
I think you missed the point here.. Dave Ramsey did not fire Hogan after it came to his attention that Hogan has had an extra marital affair. The snippet was Ramsey stating that Hogan was a "Good Man" and a "Thoroughbred" and that you do not fire thoroughbreds. So it seems that Dave is the Judge of who is forgiven for their sins and who isnt.
@@aimmortalslegacy2189 once again, his company. I honestly can't say whether I agree or disagree with that exact decision. However, I'm not a large business owner. Chris Hogan was a large part of his business AND a face. The woman, sadly, was not. That plays a big part and it's funny how that LARGE fact goes unannounced.
@@reykennedy5716 smh such a shame. So you are defending someone who fires person A. for committing a sin and forgiving person B. for his sin? Either your are playing God or you are super concerned about how much money you will lose if you fire that "Face". YOURE SUPPOSE TO PLACE YOUR CHRISTIAN VALUES ABOVE MONEY REMEMBER? I will not mention "Gambling" at the Xmas party. Look.. when you decide to judge others based on your personal values, you're bound to end up with a HUGE discrimination law suit. But Mr Ramsey will be ok.. he lost it all once before.. he can get it all back again.. I GUESS!
@@aimmortalslegacy2189 you are doing exactly that, judging in your comment. Like I said, I have no opinion on the morality of the matter. I listed facts an some opinions on the why.
@@reykennedy5716 didnt mean to judge you, but I was referring to your comparing Hogan with the Woman.. one was a face and the other was not.. Ramsey favored the "Face" over the common woman, which violates his own policy. Ramsey should get rid of the policy, and register his company in a state where they can fire people without a explanation Lol.. I am glad to hear that at least it wasnt the "Black Guy" pulling the race card in this case.
I thought it was illegal at both the federal and state level for any employer to terminate any employee for anything they do on their own time away from work.
Never has been, drug use, military cant criticize potus or their terminated. Anything specified in a consentual contract as grounds for termination is grounds for termination. That's how contracts work.
@N A yes, I was using that as a real world example of how anything in a consentual contract is valid. Whatever the employees agreed to in the highering contact can be enforced; they agreed to conduct themselves in a certain manner and did not hold up their end of the contract.
@@odnewdylee take that up with the courts, it'll show that Ramsey is trying to control the lives of his workers outside of work -which isn't legal. And firing them over what they do outside of work is wrongful termination, regardless what the 'consentual contract' stated that they signed off on
Ain’t no employer like him. He does demand a lot of employees based on his values. But why apply and work there if not on board. He is kinda a straight talker
Which means - Dave Ramsey would have fired Mary the Virgin too because she also not married and you know the rumors ran rampantly all over Nazareth during that time frame.
@@dannyk1980 no he didn’t. He gave them an opportunity for forgiveness and counseling which hogans wife didn’t take. And hogan this got terminated for not being able to do it
@@MooMoo69556 no, Hogan was terminated when a woman put forth a lawsuit saying she was terminated for violating the policy while Hogan got a pass. Hogan was terminated once the lawsuit was started
@@dannyk1980 I'm guessing Ramsey's lawyers were preparing for this possibility once they were served legal papers by Caitlin O'Connor's attorney. At that point they would likely have known that Caitlin's lawyer was going after Chris Hogan's personnel file (among others) and Ramsey's legal team advised him to cut ties with Hogan, post-haste. Whether or not they will get away with it legally, I find the Ramsey organization's handling of this--especially the apparent hypocrisy--to be quite distasteful. I stopped listening to or reading any of Dave Ramsey's stuff years ago when I started to see his holier-than-thou judgmental attitude. The guy is a salesman in sheep's clothing, pure and simple. No thanks.
So how much did the timeshare industry give this news outlet, kick back money to do a hit job on Dave ramsey? Daves been calling them out, for suing a company that's helping people get out of timeshares.
@@gatewaysolo104 My understanding is that that it was just sex with her partner, Which Ramsey only became aware about because she fell pregnant. Regardless of whether it was an affair of not, it's disgusting behaviour from Ramsey.
Dave stands by scripture and the belief in those scriptures. And I'm debt free!!!! Thank You Dave for all the great free advice. Read the bible, this goes against God's word. Chris Hogan was released from the company also.
After I was hired by the pleasant cordial assistant general manager (who told me I had the same first name as his son) of a railroad company, I was called into my first meeting with my manager whose first words to me were “If I had been in that meeting, I would have not hired you”.
All I can say as personal opinion if an employee cannot adhere to the core values stated by the company, don't apply or if you committed something against better resign, no lawsuit because it's you who violates, why will you be hurt just admit and leave. He adheres a Biblical point and he wants it that way in the company so?
I'm sure Dave was pissed of when he heard about the affairs Hogan had. But at the same time he was selling millions of books. I can't really blame Dave for not fireing him right away he is running a business at the end of the day.
the problem with the term "pre marital sex" or "pre marital" in general is it assumes everyone will marry. not everyone wants to and it is a mathematical and logistical impossibility for everyone to marry. yet god hard wired us all for sex, made it pleasurable for all, and made it mentally and physically beneficial to all. so why would a god who loves us all unconditionally (according to christians anyway) do that and then restrict sex to married people knowing full well not everyone will marry? that seems cruel. if you don't marry are you supposed to die a virgin? why is it not a sin for two 20 years olds who dated six weeks and had a wedding ceremony to have sex while it is a sin for two 30, 40, 50, 60+ year olds who have been an exclusive yet unmarried couple for years if not decades to have sex? it makes no sense! faith does not bother me. blind faith i find scary as hell, and Dave and those who think like him are emotionally reacting to unmarried people having sex when they should be using logic and reason. if i am missing something please enlighten me
@@sw6088 he's forcing his employees to not do certain things outside work, which he has no business or right to do. Resorting to calling me names is a decline in your argument
Have they changed their policy with respect to having sex before/outside of marriage? I'm asking because Ramsey personality Rachel Cruze recommends TV shows such as Sex in the City and Gossip Girl. At the very least, recommend something a bit more wholesome! Gossip Girl is the antithesis of Christian....
DR...It's not your job to help people "stay in line" - It's your job to help people get out of debt. "What we've built here"...restoration plans for boy rule breakers & unemployment for women rule breakers. Firing someone in an at-will state is perfectly legal... EXCEPT when you are stupid enough to ARTICULATE THAT REASON AND THAT REASON IS DISCRIMINATORY!
Timeshare companies paid for another hit piece I see. There is a morals clause in the contract for employment. She knowingly broke that clause and violated her contract. In effect she terminated herself they did not terminate her.
@@dogguy8603 Employment contracts can have specific agreements in them such as drug use, affairs and so on. Government even fires people for issues such as these.
@@dogguy8603 People can be fired for going against a companies policies especially when it has been agreed in contract and is the actual stipulation of the job. It is not unreasonable to expect an organisation to run on their principles. For example do you think a racial equality organisation should be forced to employ nazi's?
@@bighands69 but said company policies can not violate employment laws like firing someone for being pregnant, and being a nazi is not a protected class
I love Dave even more! Please keep releasing these "sting recordings". He will just keep getting more fans. He has fired MORE men for the same thing, so how is this discrimination against women?
As a hypothetical, if 30 men had been caught, and 5 women caught, resulting in 5 men and 4 women being fired. That would be discriminatory. Having policies that closely guard the personal lives of their employees is downright gross.
@@RileysFilms How one acts in his/her personal life, affects how he/she does the job. Chris Hogan had a different problem, but I think that is where people are saying men are treated differently than women.
I like the rule he has about premarital sex. Good for him having values. I personally wouldn’t call people stupid when they aren’t present, but I am also not a multi-millionaire so maybe Dave and I are not the same person.
So many people defending him for breaking the law because they think everyone who works for him should follow his biblical rules. Did everyone forget that this is in America? You know the country with "freedom to practice any or no religion" as one of its big pillars of freedom? His company is a for-profit secular business, meaning it is not exempt from federal laws protecting employees from discrimination. Like, if he fired all the women from his company because he decided that "biblically women should remain in the home", what would you say then? Because you give them an inch and that's the mile they're going to take. And it won't stop there either.
I don’t understand why people are surprised when Dave Ramsey is very clear about running his company. I agree with Dave Ramsey standards and so glad he would uphold them. He changes lives and personally has helped me in so many of my financial journey. I’m so thankful for Ramsey Solutions.
If he is truly upholding his standards, a man who cheated on his wife would have been shown the door immediately! The Bible is just as clear about adultery as it is every other form of s*xual immorality. Instead, Dave called an adulterer a "good man" and a "thoroughbred" while firing a pregnant woman. Destroying your spouse and family for a piece of tail is straight-up wickedness!
It is funny they try to equate a random low level employee with one of the Ramsey Personalities who makes the company millions of dollars. The rules are not the same - it has nothing to do with their gender. Of course they aren’t going to out right fire Hogan instead of trying to fix the same solution. This story is unbelievably stupid.
I guess Dave Ramsey and Company forgot the Golden Rule from the Bible: Gospel of Matthew (7:12): “In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you".
It's interesting the attorney is citing a gender discrepancy when 5 men and only 4 women were terminated. TBH the tape pretty much sounds just like he talks on his show. He is not known for molly coddling
The pregnant womane was a clear cut case, admitted she violated policy and was terminated. Hogan was accused of breaking the policy and then terminated when the truth came out. Are we saying that hard evidence and being accused are the same thing here? I am thankful for employers that wait on the evidence instead of terminating someone's employment over an accusation.
I wonder if someday Dave might be outed - how do we know he has never had (or is having) pre- or extra- marital sex? It always seems like a lot of the people that rail against this type of thing end up being found out to be the biggest hypocrites.
He "might" have done so in the past before he surrendered his life to Christ. The Bible says, no one is sinless. In this new life he got, he may still stumble but he's determined about his mission. Just so we can accuse someone with hypocrisy does it not require one to be completely sinless? He may no longer be in the practice of sinning, which is why he's eager to employ these Biblical principles in his own company. What can you do about it? Accuse him now of hypocrisy (lol)
@@getchertified Sure I could as can anyone else. Although no one is sinless he takes obsession over other peoples’ sins to another level far beyond anything I might be implying. Anyway, I didn’t directly accuse him; just saying it is suspicious. If he has done nothing wrong then there is no reason for you to defend him either.
@@squiggly7 Of course you're not directly accusing Ramsey. You're only making a proposition that a man like Ramsey can be hypocritical. So, you're also saying that if you suspect someone is hypocritical, then no one has the right to call you out on your proposition. Examine your heart, man.
He has good advice on financials (even though I don't agree with every little item), However his bullying behavior is certainly not a good witness and does not bring our Lord any glory.
The only thing that rubs me wrong is how Chris H is exempt from his ideology. I guess b/c it’s his friend more than an employee. I can see him having a talk” I’m not going to fire you, but you have to resign”.
@@janetmcarthur5257 As he should! The O’Connor girl doesn’t add as much value as Chris Hogan does. Hogan is literally a RAMSEY PERSONALITY ON AIR. It’s a business decision, stop being so upright. Some people are worth more than others, not intrinsically as human beings, but by the dollar value they bring in. You’ll never know cuz you don’t run a business
Dave is the man. He put everything he owns on the line to build a business and give people jobs. Anyone who does that should be able to hire and fire at their discretion. If you don't like it, open your own business
You can’t fire someone for getting pregnant! What the hell business is it of his?!!! Ramsey needs to pay a huge financial penalty. Ramsey is such a hypocrite of epic proportions.
Bruh if you don't agree with the value's of the company, don't work for the company. That's like taking a position at a, say, a Muslim media outlet, and getting upset when they fire you for not keeping Halal
This man is the only celebrity in America who has made my life measurably better. I was in debt 13 years ago and had no idea what to do to get out. Now I am debt free and on track to becoming a millionaire. And that’s because DAVE showed me what to do, not anyone else! Just Dave! I don’t care who he hires or fires - that’s his business! You guys are acting like he was the one who cheated on his wife.
Sounds exactly like how he talks on his show... No different and they are signing contracts knowing the rules... I'm not a conservative Christian so id never work there...the issue of women being fired and not men for breaking contract is not acceptable
"Reaching much?" Non of what he said had to do with "Biblical principles." You have to play the full Context! Everything ya'll said is distorted. Even Hogan doesn't want to be a part of it.
@@pio7763 “In most circumstances, employers can terminate employees “at will,” meaning at any time for any reason. And they are not even required by law to give the reason for a discharge.”-Google
@@JohnJExum Regardless of if it's at-will or not they still have to follow federal law against discrimination. It's a secular company meaning it is not except from federal law on the basis of religious beliefs.
I dont have an issue with the firing its his company and people know what they signed up for when they joined. But letting one person stay and firing others is a bad look.
I’m really happy to see that Dave Ramsey is the same behind closed doors as he is on his show. Way to go News 4 Nashville, trying to tear down one the of the best things to come out of Tennessee.
To be honest with you, anybody that watches and knows how Dave Ramsey operates is not surprised by anything that was on the recording. If you guys listened to his show, you would find that all those so-called "secret recordings" he says on his show all of the time. He has said how he will fire people for this or that. He is very blunt about it. There is no secret about anything that he says. I've heard him say far far worse than any of those recordings you guys just had us listen to. So this is just another click bait video.
Exactly. Even I think his grip on his employees personal life is a bit much, but nothing I heard in there recordings is a shock in the slightest. It’s not even mean, it’s like a mild scolding from a teacher. People are so soft.
I think people are surprised by a so called man of God speaking in this manner.
Dave saying what undoubtedly some of his younger, freely parented little snowflakes NEEDED TO HEAR. Of course they are shocked, they want to be babied even in a workplace.
Did they sign on to the code of behavior in the hiring process??? Yes
@@daveyjoneslocker4703 calling someone stupid is exceedingly unprofessional condescending and can easily be perceived as “mean”. Referencing someone as stupid is an insult and insults are inherently mean
If you watch Dave Ramsey on youtube or listen to him on the radio, it is easy to imagine that Dave would not be an easy person to work for. He can't really contain his short temper on the air, and that's when he's trying to be his best self. Imagine off the air - yeah I'm sure it can get ugly at times. I love Dave and think he gives great advice, but I would never, ever want to work for him.
Dave Ramsey is nothing but a hypocrite. It all about him so full of himself
He has bald fat man anger.
Once I had a job interview where the company said they have a 0 tolerance towards marijuana use and as a smoker of marijuana I stated that I wouldn’t be able to meet their demands and would like to finish the interview. We shook hands and I got a different job. Now imagine that I lied and then I got found out, on what basis can I sue the employer?
Exactly lol good point. The answer is probably not.
The basis would be unfair treatment because a co worker is a known smoker and is still employed. Meanwhile they waste no time firing you. The rules have to apply to all.
@@johna9994
You would have to prove that the company has intent which is very difficult because it is unlikely that they are aware.
@@bighands69 it’s unlikely that they kept the paper trail that shows that the ex wife told them. Chris made the company way to much money for Dave to hold him to the same standards. He even says as much in this video 😆
Chris keeps his job up until the minute that his personnel file was requested. Do you really think Dave didn’t know?
“They fired 5 men and 4 women for having premarital sex.” So how exactly are they treating women different than men? Hogan was the number two guy in the company, it had nothing to do with his gender. If you want leniency then sell millions of books like Hogan did.
One explanation would be, for instance, if 20 male employees had been known to break Ramsey's rules, and 5 females, which resulted in 5 males and 4 females being fired. However, that is just a hypothetical.
I don't know the reality of the situation, but I'm hoping each lawyer does when they make assertions like this.
Looks like they finally did pull the pin on Hogan, which at least makes Ramsey less of a hypocrite.
If a guy (who works for Ramsey) gets his girlfriend pregnant, as long as he keeps his mouth shut about it all is good. Yeah, his close friends at work will likely find out, but chances are pretty good that Dave, himself, never finds out about it. With 900 employees and a business empire to run, this has got to be a low priority item for upper management. But, if a non-married female employee get pregnant, she is screwed. There is no way to hide it. The woman is at a distinct disadvantage.
@@desimo147 Ok but who is to blame for that? Biology? God? You can’t blame the company for something they literally cannot control
It could be though that Hogan was worth more than the female employee was cause we all knew Hogan. He was huge in the company. The girl that they fired was someone nobody knew. So it was not cause Hogan was a man, it was because Hogan was popular and very well loved and did a lot for the company. It wasn't gender, it was status. Not that that is good, but it makes more sense than them using the gender excuse.
@@adamduarte895 - the company policy is to blame. It has nothing to do with actually performing the job and is more biased against women vs men.
I like Dave Ramsey even more now.
So clearly you are not a christian. Just so we are clear.
@@ryanwbourquin What did this have to do with Christianity? I like his ethics, don’t need to be religious to know promiscuity is bad. Lol
@@ryanwbourquin he's defending his company's Christian values.... you're obviously not a Christian
Christian LOL
@@akaglide3485 so I was right you aren’t a Christian - glad some of you conservatives can be honest.
I love how every comment is just laughing at the media. Seriously though this is how he talks on his radio channel and everywhere else.
Except the swearing maybe. Gotta keep the show family friendly.
That said, I'd pay for a show for grown ups.
Jesus doesn’t want a penis to go into a vagina if they are not married!!!!!
@@ransom182 ooook then. That was very off topic and slightly inappropriate
He doesn’t curse on the show though
The story was that Chris hogan was having an affair yet never got fired.
So the holy man isn’t as holy as it seems
When the news does a hit piece and makes Dave look even better. Media is a joke.
Dave demanding to be involved in the sex lives of his employees and penalizing them makes him look good?
He looks like a hypocritical tyrant to me. Absolute power corrupts absolutely
He is no Christian typical Trump supporter
Lol how does this make him look better?? You a weirdo
No, what's a joke is a company making its employees agree to a strict morality clause, but letting things slide with certain top people because you're out a bunch of money in book sales if you terminate them as fast as you would some peon.
I'm a gay man and I agree with Dave Ramsey completely. He was completely upfront about his values. If you don't like it then don't work there, stupid.
Why do you have gay in your username? Do you have any other personality trait.
@@misterguyman9669 why do you have mister in your name? do you have any other personality trait? you sound dumb.
So why didn’t he stand by his values when it came to Chris? Give you a hint, $.
Dave wouldn’t hire you simply because you’re gay. Do you think this is okay? If so, you’re a hypocrite.
The only thing different is him swearing. Other than that, he is the same on-air. And that's why we love him.
100%
Too much power in the hands of 1 person.
No sir, he’s showing he has no integrity.
He preaches integrity on his podcasts.
@@larrybarbee4916 exactly. I don’t care that there is a book deal/tour on the docket. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Apply the rules evenly across the board.
@@brianparent4882 exactly 💯💯💯
He’s the employer and if you don’t like it, don’t work for him.
Nope you're wrong Employer's have no right in the outside work affairs of their staff when it comes to their sexual relations. Ramsey is going to get grilled in court.
@@CaBdosdos those people signed contracts. The only ones getting grilled will be the former employees.
@@gl0ck912 Damn wrong again, Employers have no grounds to have contractual obligations for their w2 employees personal lives as it pertains to sexual preferences or arrangements.
@@CaBdosdos they still signed the contracts. They ain’t getting shit. They agreed to his policies.
@@gl0ck912 Well then you'd be historically wrong because no court has ruled in favor of employers who have done what Dave has. Bye now simpleton.
Wait, this is supposed to be a bad story? I can’t tell.
If you don’t like a companies values, don’t work there... stupid lol.
Work life and home life are separate things. Your boss doesn't get to dictate what you do in your private life.
@@murrygondwana7260 If you work for the companies he owns, he is allowed to instill values in his employees and hold them accountable. He believes his values makes you a better person so he doesn’t want his employees breaking them. And they knew what they signed up for when they accepted the job.
With your same logic, it’s okay for someone to do drugs at home and the employer shouldn’t dictate to them that they can or can’t take drugs? And they aren’t allowed to fire them for it? Hmm.
@@Buildingscienceacademy There are laws against religious discrimination. He can't just fire people because they don't follow his religious code.
@@murrygondwana7260 maybe side with someone who is standing up for good and wholesome beliefs once in a while...it could change your perspective.
@@murrygondwana7260 yeah that doesnt work today. Just saw supervisor at my large company fired for something he spoke about on Facebook after 17 years of working there.
I will not work for an organization whose core values I don't agree with. You should not compel a company to change its philosophy. Create your own company that agrees with you values. Period.
But they stated they will fire you, you did it, got fired, and now are super pissed. I am not sure what the story is.
The story is they fired her but tried to sweep it under the rug when it came to Chris. Imagine being fired at a job for something and a coworker does the same thing and he is allowed to keep his job. Would you be ok with that?
@@johna9994 They would if it was Dave doing it to them lol
This is your big bomb shell story? He said his principal when they signed up and stuck to it! Go Dave!
Yeah I had seen some whining about him being hypocritical, but if it's in the contract you have no reason to complain, especially since he verbally mentions it.
Where were his principles when it came to Chris?
Yes! Go Dave for being discriminatory! Notice it's primarily men sticking up for him in these comments
He's not registered as a religious organization. He can't fire based of those things.
Small employee ‘you’re fired’. Employee makes lot of money for the company, ‘you need to rest’.
Does that looks like ‘being principled’ to you?
the "different" side of him is that he has morals? And?
The thing is is there is no different side of him. Everything on those recordings is things he says on a daily basis in front of millions and millions of people everyday.
@@vickieclark5931 I know but Inside Edition are talking to brain washed drones.
who says if you have s---x before marriage you do not have morals wow
Secret? Dave has talked that way in radio for years!
Company can not discriminate because of your sex life. Its none of Ramsey business. He can move to Afganistan if he dont like USA law.
But he can fire you for any reason at any time
Employers are at will
@@shoeplayisbad1He can. Just has to pay unemployment. Well, it depends on the state.
So why wasn't Hogan fired then? If Dave is so righteous then why does Hogan get a pass while others get penalized?
Yup, the same question everyone else including myself is asking.
I don’t even work for Dave and I know this. 🤣 This is part of his moral and values as a Christian. If I don’t agree with it, why would I apply and want to work there?
How is it legal. U.S. law isn't some religious extremist nonsense; it's secular.
@@muckymucks it's not a federal job.
@@Veritas-dq2hs Every job is protected by employment laws.
@@muckymucks ok but private employers rightfully have much more flexibility on what rules apply to their business..
@@Veritas-dq2hs how is a rule that goes after the sex lives of his employees (unless he likes them I guess) in any way ethical practice though? I think that's the main issue. Imagine you've given years to his company and got fired because you met someone at a bar you really liked, but the guy who cheated on his wife gets a pass. That's just bs and there's no debating that.
Calling an employee stupid and using the word ass referring to another employee do not define what a true Christian which Dave Ramsey professed to be.
BooHoo, do you need a tissue? Big deal and not one cares.
Guys he can believe whatever he wants. What is wrong with yall, he can fire someone who broke the values he was born and raised on. That is his right, it is his company and has the right to fire whoever breaks his company rules.
I think you missed the point here.. Dave Ramsey did not fire Hogan after it came to his attention that Hogan has had an extra marital affair. The snippet was Ramsey stating that Hogan was a "Good Man" and a "Thoroughbred" and that you do not fire thoroughbreds. So it seems that Dave is the Judge of who is forgiven for their sins and who isnt.
@@aimmortalslegacy2189 once again, his company. I honestly can't say whether I agree or disagree with that exact decision. However, I'm not a large business owner. Chris Hogan was a large part of his business AND a face. The woman, sadly, was not. That plays a big part and it's funny how that LARGE fact goes unannounced.
@@reykennedy5716 smh such a shame. So you are defending someone who fires person A. for committing a sin and forgiving person B. for his sin? Either your are playing God or you are super concerned about how much money you will lose if you fire that "Face". YOURE SUPPOSE TO PLACE YOUR CHRISTIAN VALUES ABOVE MONEY REMEMBER? I will not mention "Gambling" at the Xmas party. Look.. when you decide to judge others based on your personal values, you're bound to end up with a HUGE discrimination law suit. But Mr Ramsey will be ok.. he lost it all once before.. he can get it all back again.. I GUESS!
@@aimmortalslegacy2189 you are doing exactly that, judging in your comment. Like I said, I have no opinion on the morality of the matter. I listed facts an some opinions on the why.
@@reykennedy5716 didnt mean to judge you, but I was referring to your comparing Hogan with the Woman.. one was a face and the other was not.. Ramsey favored the "Face" over the common woman, which violates his own policy. Ramsey should get rid of the policy, and register his company in a state where they can fire people without a explanation Lol.. I am glad to hear that at least it wasnt the "Black Guy" pulling the race card in this case.
Trying to control workers lives outside of work when it’s not illegal is ridiculous.
this is the same way he talks on his show.
He was clear when hiring.
Not so clear when firing though, which is the basis of the lawsuit.
@@scarpfish it sounds more like the problem is the keeping of Chris Hogan while others were terminated...not the actual firing itself.
@ALPHA-ROTH the firing was illegal regardless, you can't fire someone for being pregnant
I thought it was illegal at both the federal and state level for any employer to terminate any employee for anything they do on their own time away from work.
What is Dave Ramsey doing under the covers of employees?
Never has been, drug use, military cant criticize potus or their terminated. Anything specified in a consentual contract as grounds for termination is grounds for termination. That's how contracts work.
@@odnewdylee Ramsey's business is a private business, not governmental like the military or POTUS
@N A yes, I was using that as a real world example of how anything in a consentual contract is valid. Whatever the employees agreed to in the highering contact can be enforced; they agreed to conduct themselves in a certain manner and did not hold up their end of the contract.
@@odnewdylee take that up with the courts, it'll show that Ramsey is trying to control the lives of his workers outside of work -which isn't legal.
And firing them over what they do outside of work is wrongful termination, regardless what the 'consentual contract' stated that they signed off on
Dave should be consistent with his big shot Chris Hogan as he is with the regular employees.
This isn’t a “different side” of Dave though 😂
The lady suing has a solid case against Dave.
Honestly, If Dave is a Christian, then I’m an extraterrestrial.
Ain’t no employer like him. He does demand a lot of employees based on his values. But why apply and work there if not on board. He is kinda a straight talker
Which means - Dave Ramsey would have fired Mary the Virgin too because she also not married and you know the rumors ran rampantly all over Nazareth during that time frame.
Wtf does sex have to do with righteousness?
According to God's word a lot. Read it.
I’m really impressed that he will stand by his beliefs so strongly that he’ll take the heat and fire people over something like that. Respect ✊🏼
Except when Hogan violated those rules he let him slide
@@dannyk1980 those fax are massive
@@dannyk1980 no he didn’t. He gave them an opportunity for forgiveness and counseling which hogans wife didn’t take. And hogan this got terminated for not being able to do it
@@MooMoo69556 no, Hogan was terminated when a woman put forth a lawsuit saying she was terminated for violating the policy while Hogan got a pass. Hogan was terminated once the lawsuit was started
@@dannyk1980 I'm guessing Ramsey's lawyers were preparing for this possibility once they were served legal papers by Caitlin O'Connor's attorney. At that point they would likely have known that Caitlin's lawyer was going after Chris Hogan's personnel file (among others) and Ramsey's legal team advised him to cut ties with Hogan, post-haste. Whether or not they will get away with it legally, I find the Ramsey organization's handling of this--especially the apparent hypocrisy--to be quite distasteful. I stopped listening to or reading any of Dave Ramsey's stuff years ago when I started to see his holier-than-thou judgmental attitude. The guy is a salesman in sheep's clothing, pure and simple. No thanks.
So how much did the timeshare industry give this news outlet, kick back money to do a hit job on Dave ramsey? Daves been calling them out, for suing a company that's helping people get out of timeshares.
Timeshare and whole life insurance companies 😂
This comment aged like Dave Ramsey's hair line.
Good for Dave! He’s real and has standards!
*fires woman for being pregnant*
Seems like some pretty shitty standards imo 👍
@@RileysFilms fires woman for having an affair. There corrected your false statement.
@@RileysFilms Well, maybe you’re a pretty shitty person.
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My understanding is that that it was just sex with her partner, Which Ramsey only became aware about because she fell pregnant. Regardless of whether it was an affair of not, it's disgusting behaviour from Ramsey.
@@Joefest99 I'd certainly be supporting my pregnant employees to ensure the kids can get the best start they can in life 👍
Dave stands by scripture and the belief in those scriptures. And I'm debt free!!!! Thank You Dave for all the great free advice. Read the bible, this goes against God's word. Chris Hogan was released from the company also.
Only when Dave had no choice but to let him go. You may want to rewatch the video.
The Lord doesn't care how much money you have. Dave is a grifter.
😂😂😂😂 what does the Bible say about being fat?
He’s a hypocrite. His Financial Peace is a money maker alright, a money maker for him.
I wondered what happened to Hogan. Guess he was focused on other woman and finished with his marriage.
Sexism is wrong Dave period. Shame on you.
After I was hired by the pleasant cordial assistant general manager (who told me I had the same first name as his son) of a railroad company, I was called into my first meeting with my manager whose first words to me were “If I had been in that meeting, I would have not hired you”.
All I can say as personal opinion if an employee cannot adhere to the core values stated by the company, don't apply or if you committed something against better resign, no lawsuit because it's you who violates, why will you be hurt just admit and leave. He adheres a Biblical point and he wants it that way in the company so?
Because they didn't treat everyone equally, she got fired yet he did not (until the lawsuit). Did you even watch the video?
A cheater is a thoroughbred?
He doesn't sound like a Christian
I'm sure Dave was pissed of when he heard about the affairs Hogan had. But at the same time he was selling millions of books. I can't really blame Dave for not fireing him right away he is running a business at the end of the day.
This is not how we're to be as Christians... so saddening
This makes me like Dave even more now. He tells the truth and keeps it real even if it offends someone and I respect him for it
So you support creepy men looking into you private life?
So you like someone who fires someone for what they do in their personal time away from work?
That's why the US is in such shambles, liking corruption
the problem with the term "pre marital sex" or "pre marital" in general is it assumes everyone will marry. not everyone wants to and it is a mathematical and logistical impossibility for everyone to marry. yet god hard wired us all for sex, made it pleasurable for all, and made it mentally and physically beneficial to all. so why would a god who loves us all unconditionally (according to christians anyway) do that and then restrict sex to married people knowing full well not everyone will marry? that seems cruel. if you don't marry are you supposed to die a virgin? why is it not a sin for two 20 years olds who dated six weeks and had a wedding ceremony to have sex while it is a sin for two 30, 40, 50, 60+ year olds who have been an exclusive yet unmarried couple for years if not decades to have sex? it makes no sense! faith does not bother me. blind faith i find scary as hell, and Dave and those who think like him are emotionally reacting to unmarried people having sex when they should be using logic and reason. if i am missing something please enlighten me
They won't respond because they have the right to remain silence and your news company needs to respect that.
Wow Dave Ramsey is the real deal. Like him even more now!
The real deal in trying to control how people love their lives OUTSIDE work hours?
@@NA-bn9er nobody’s forcing them to work for him clown they can work anywhere they want.
@@sw6088 he's forcing his employees to not do certain things outside work, which he has no business or right to do. Resorting to calling me names is a decline in your argument
If his wife would have just gone through with the counseling her husband would still be employed, and she’d still have a family that’s together.
Have they changed their policy with respect to having sex before/outside of marriage? I'm asking because Ramsey personality Rachel Cruze recommends TV shows such as Sex in the City and Gossip Girl. At the very least, recommend something a bit more wholesome! Gossip Girl is the antithesis of Christian....
I wonder if the dude got a golden parachute unlike the pregnant woman who was fired and lost her health insurance.
Does his company have a rule against cursing? Just wondering....
DR...It's not your job to help people "stay in line" - It's your job to help people get out of debt.
"What we've built here"...restoration plans for boy rule breakers & unemployment for women rule breakers.
Firing someone in an at-will state is perfectly legal... EXCEPT when you are stupid enough to ARTICULATE THAT REASON AND THAT REASON IS DISCRIMINATORY!
Timeshare companies paid for another hit piece I see. There is a morals clause in the contract for employment. She knowingly broke that clause and violated her contract. In effect she terminated herself they did not terminate her.
Contracts mean jack shit if it violates federal law
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Employment contracts can have specific agreements in them such as drug use, affairs and so on.
Government even fires people for issues such as these.
@@bighands69 but they can't break the law regardless of what a contract says
@@dogguy8603
People can be fired for going against a companies policies especially when it has been agreed in contract and is the actual stipulation of the job.
It is not unreasonable to expect an organisation to run on their principles. For example do you think a racial equality organisation should be forced to employ nazi's?
@@bighands69 but said company policies can not violate employment laws like firing someone for being pregnant, and being a nazi is not a protected class
I wish I could work for a man who had clear standards like that.
Clean living. Who could complain about that?
Who gets to decide what "clean" means?
@@murrygondwana7260 the employer / owner of the business.
@@erbjp There are laws against discrimination against religion. If he's connecting the companies values to religion it becomes problematic.
@@murrygondwana7260 nobody is being discriminated against b/c of their religion. His business his choice. See how that works?
@@erbjp Nobody is being discriminated against? Did you not watch the video? They mention the law suits.
I love Dave even more! Please keep releasing these "sting recordings". He will just keep getting more fans. He has fired MORE men for the same thing, so how is this discrimination against women?
As a hypothetical, if 30 men had been caught, and 5 women caught, resulting in 5 men and 4 women being fired. That would be discriminatory.
Having policies that closely guard the personal lives of their employees is downright gross.
@@RileysFilms How one acts in his/her personal life, affects how he/she does the job. Chris Hogan had a different problem, but I think that is where people are saying men are treated differently than women.
"Helping people stay in line"?? You ain't my daddy, sir. Run your company and stay out of my personal life.
He doesn’t sound very Christian like to me.
I like the rule he has about premarital sex. Good for him having values. I personally wouldn’t call people stupid when they aren’t present, but I am also not a multi-millionaire so maybe Dave and I are not the same person.
So many people defending him for breaking the law because they think everyone who works for him should follow his biblical rules. Did everyone forget that this is in America? You know the country with "freedom to practice any or no religion" as one of its big pillars of freedom? His company is a for-profit secular business, meaning it is not exempt from federal laws protecting employees from discrimination. Like, if he fired all the women from his company because he decided that "biblically women should remain in the home", what would you say then? Because you give them an inch and that's the mile they're going to take. And it won't stop there either.
I don’t understand why people are surprised when Dave Ramsey is very clear about running his company. I agree with Dave Ramsey standards and so glad he would uphold them. He changes lives and personally has helped me in so many of my financial journey. I’m so thankful for Ramsey Solutions.
If he is truly upholding his standards, a man who cheated on his wife would have been shown the door immediately! The Bible is just as clear about adultery as it is every other form of s*xual immorality. Instead, Dave called an adulterer a "good man" and a "thoroughbred" while firing a pregnant woman. Destroying your spouse and family for a piece of tail is straight-up wickedness!
i don’t know how this is okay and why everyone is okay with this.
Why is Dave Ramsey lurking under the covers of employees?
So what i did to my wife last night would have been otherwise 'ungodly' if it weren't for the tiny piece of gold on our ring fingers. What a weirdo.
It is funny they try to equate a random low level employee with one of the Ramsey Personalities who makes the company millions of dollars. The rules are not the same - it has nothing to do with their gender. Of course they aren’t going to out right fire Hogan instead of trying to fix the same solution. This story is unbelievably stupid.
Not just that what is said about the number two is allegations not facts.
I wish Zappa was alive to write a song about this clown
I guess Dave Ramsey and Company forgot the Golden Rule from the Bible: Gospel of Matthew (7:12): “In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you".
It's interesting the attorney is citing a gender discrepancy when 5 men and only 4 women were terminated. TBH the tape pretty much sounds just like he talks on his show. He is not known for molly coddling
The pregnant womane was a clear cut case, admitted she violated policy and was terminated. Hogan was accused of breaking the policy and then terminated when the truth came out. Are we saying that hard evidence and being accused are the same thing here? I am thankful for employers that wait on the evidence instead of terminating someone's employment over an accusation.
I wonder if someday Dave might be outed - how do we know he has never had (or is having) pre- or extra- marital sex? It always seems like a lot of the people that rail against this type of thing end up being found out to be the biggest hypocrites.
A hypocritical Christian is a terrible testimony.
He "might" have done so in the past before he surrendered his life to Christ. The Bible says, no one is sinless. In this new life he got, he may still stumble but he's determined about his mission. Just so we can accuse someone with hypocrisy does it not require one to be completely sinless? He may no longer be in the practice of sinning, which is why he's eager to employ these Biblical principles in his own company. What can you do about it? Accuse him now of hypocrisy (lol)
@@getchertified Sure I could as can anyone else. Although no one is sinless he takes obsession over other peoples’ sins to another level far beyond anything I might be implying. Anyway, I didn’t directly accuse him; just saying it is suspicious. If he has done nothing wrong then there is no reason for you to defend him either.
I am agreeing with Charles. Snowflakes in the midst of idol worship will be easily triggered. We can see how things turn out over time.
@@squiggly7 Of course you're not directly accusing Ramsey. You're only making a proposition that a man like Ramsey can be hypocritical. So, you're also saying that if you suspect someone is hypocritical, then no one has the right to call you out on your proposition. Examine your heart, man.
I respect Dave's straightforwardness even more after this and the whole timesharegate 😅 And this comment section is incredible
What’s different?
Notice they are not talking to Dave!! Sound bytes don’t tell the full story!!
This is framed so far out of context it isn’t funny!!!
I wonder if the people who did this piece want their “different” side shown.
3:10 you can hear the selective editing
He has good advice on financials (even though I don't agree with every little item), However his bullying behavior is certainly not a good witness and does not bring our Lord any glory.
Really? This behavior is ungodly ……I’m sure Jesus is not okay with how he treats people….He is deceived and hopefully he gets delivered…..🙏🏾
This is why you don’t follow anyone like they are God. Ramsey is a man, He is not acting like the Jesus in my Bible
The only thing that rubs me wrong is how Chris H is exempt from his ideology.
I guess b/c it’s his friend more than an employee. I can see him having a talk” I’m not going to fire you, but you have to resign”.
Kudos to Dave Ramsey for making a very clear stand! 👌
A stand for what? By selectively applying his company moral code?
@@janetmcarthur5257 As he should! The O’Connor girl doesn’t add as much value as Chris Hogan does. Hogan is literally a RAMSEY PERSONALITY ON AIR. It’s a business decision, stop being so upright. Some people are worth more than others, not intrinsically as human beings, but by the dollar value they bring in. You’ll never know cuz you don’t run a business
Dave is the man. He put everything he owns on the line to build a business and give people jobs. Anyone who does that should be able to hire and fire at their discretion. If you don't like it, open your own business
It is a federal crime to discriminate against familial status.
I suppose in a very roundabout way, I should thank Dave Ramsey. I plan on instilling Pagan core values into my own startup.
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The Chris Hogan saga is all I need to know about how stalwart he is about this. It's about money. Money is Dave's god.
You can’t fire someone for getting pregnant! What the hell business is it of his?!!! Ramsey needs to pay a huge financial penalty. Ramsey is such a hypocrite of epic proportions.
This doesn't show a different side of Ramsey
Bruh if you don't agree with the value's of the company, don't work for the company. That's like taking a position at a, say, a Muslim media outlet, and getting upset when they fire you for not keeping Halal
Chris Hogan says "ladies don't panic when I start to pump"!
This man is the only celebrity in America who has made my life measurably better. I was in debt 13 years ago and had no idea what to do to get out. Now I am debt free and on track to becoming a millionaire. And that’s because DAVE showed me what to do, not anyone else! Just Dave! I don’t care who he hires or fires - that’s his business! You guys are acting like he was the one who cheated on his wife.
Your such a lier
The big problem was that it was not a domestic made vehicle, lots of government can’t buy because of that.
Really weird a boss is interested in what people do in their personal lives and even dictating what they can and can't do. Religion is weird.
He is always abrasive
Lol. "federal law should protect." Makes me embarasses to be a lawyer
Sounds exactly like how he talks on his show... No different and they are signing contracts knowing the rules... I'm not a conservative Christian so id never work there...the issue of women being fired and not men for breaking contract is not acceptable
"Reaching much?"
Non of what he said had to do with "Biblical principles." You have to play the full Context!
Everything ya'll said is distorted. Even Hogan doesn't want to be a part of it.
wtf fired for pre marital sex???? This company needs to be shut down. This is crazy
Damn, Dave Ramsey called someone stupid? Crazy....
When you take a job knowing that certain things will call for termination and you violate that, you are subject to the consequences that follow.
Nope. Company must oblige the law. Cannot discriminate because of your sex life.
@@pio7763 “In most circumstances, employers can terminate employees “at will,” meaning at any time for any reason. And they are not even required by law to give the reason for a discharge.”-Google
@@JohnJExum Regardless of if it's at-will or not they still have to follow federal law against discrimination. It's a secular company meaning it is not except from federal law on the basis of religious beliefs.
Trying to take down Dave? Not gonna happen. His fans agree. We’re fans for a reason.
Its his company he can do what he wants...you dont like it start your own company
I dont have an issue with the firing its his company and people know what they signed up for when they joined. But letting one person stay and firing others is a bad look.
I’m really happy to see that Dave Ramsey is the same behind closed doors as he is on his show.
Way to go News 4 Nashville, trying to tear down one the of the best things to come out of Tennessee.
I stopped following Dave Ramsey a long time ago..