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This is why I laugh at anyone who says the US military lost in Vietnam.
No,the US military did not lose the Vietnam war the politicians did.
and did we really lose the war, as of today, its america thats strengthening ties with vietnam, and not russia or china
The bombing campaigns forced the North Vietnamese to bargain, and a cease-fire was created, similar to that in Korea. However, the Democrat party could never forgive Nixon for winning a war that they started. So after troops were moved out, Congress cut off funds for South Vietnam and left them defenseless. North Vietnam rolled right into South Vietnam and took it over. But America had "peace" and that's what mattered.
The war wasn't lost. Politicians wrestled defeat from the jaws of victory.
@@yeettheskeet9710It's also worth pointing out that Vietnam was a natural ally. Despite being a commie which is obviously why we went to war with them(domino theory), Ho Chi Minh lived in the US for a couple years when he was young, was heavily influenced by radicals here like Marcus Garvey, and was a huge fan of the Founders and the Declaration of Independence.
@@HistoryNerd808 Is that what led to Ho Chi Minh conducting Mao style "Land Reforms" where they killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in North Vietnam in the 50s?
Don't compare him to the Founders.
@@GymbalLock Interesting that 60% of the times something bad has happened to America that the democrats are involved somewhere.
And now you know one of the reasons we all hate politicians.
Absolutely they mess up everything
Well, a portion of our House of Representatives appear to be on Putin's payroll.
@@AncientActivist Sad but true
Every politician is on someone's payroll!
Politicians should be forced to the front lines and follow their own rules. I'm betting the rules would change very quickly to save their own asses.....
IKR, if these dumbass politicians were actually on the front lines and they had to follow their own rules of engagement, especially when the planes that were being used weren't equipped with guns and facing off against enemy aircraft that were equipped with guns, they'd change their tune really quickly
I don't know about that! I have heard that some politicians would rather give up their kids to school shootings than have any gun control! Some of these politicians would rather die than think they could be wrong!
The politicians at the time should have been in jail for war crimes against their own country.This is why we lost lives.
this is exactly why operation desert storm was so blisteringly fast
general schwarzkopf was a lower ranking officer during vietnam iirc and he absolutely would not let the politicians in dc have the opportunity to get a single word in edgewise as to how desert storm was to be conducted if he could help it
Desert Storm also showed what the U.S. Military can do before the politicians grab the leash.
This American Politician is the most clear example of someone in charge of something they have absolutely no clue what their employees do and what the equipment can do.
It's always a thing, but rarely is it put on as much blatant display as it was in Vietnam
@@captin3149 you say its always a thing. Does this mean it happens a lot now in the US? I haven't been back in 10 years. Do regular businesses hire people like the politician?
@@charlesrogers4085 YES and they still make the dumbest decisions possible.
sounds more like they were intentionally trying to draw out the war while they invested in bomb manufacturing.
@@charlesrogers4085Its not USA exclusive and its been this way for centuries mate.
This is one of the many reason Viet Nam Vets were/are pissed...
The reasons they were pissed was because of the way they were treated when they came home .
@@eaglerider1826
it's both
being told that you were more or less fighting with your hands tied behind your back, and if you die, fuck you.
And then coming home to a horrible public reception because Media couldn't handle the reality of war, which hasn't changed since ever.
@@eaglerider1826 they were also pissed off because of everything this guy said about politicians enabling them to LOSE an unlosable war. Rules for me and not for thee allows thee to KILL me, so much more easily.
@@eaglerider1826 that’s a big part of it too. Just gets further compounded that it happened after being sent to fight a proxy war while being hamstrung by political leadership when being shot at.
@@eaglerider1826fucking politicians are the reason they went home to a country who hated them.
They screwed them over even after they returned.
Politician mentality:
I've never been a soldier, but I know more about warfare than soldiers do.
I've never been a doctor, but I know more about medicine than doctors do.
I've never been poor, but I know more about financial struggles than poor people do.
Basically.
Nah. It's more "what will make me the most money and power? Let's do that."
I honestly think 99% of politicians think of NOTHING but the next election.
Politicians lose wars, Not soldiers
I was an exchange student from UK and got drafted served in Vietnam from 71 thru 72 and the way I was treated when I came back was unforgivable just like some of comments on this videos
Were you drafted by Great Britain, or did the US just kidnap you because they needed bodies to fill the ranks?
RVN vets got a raw deal for sure. I have a (now deceased) relative who was in country by the time the Marines landed following the Gulf of Tonkin shenanigans, his last duty post was halfway across the planet but he didn't matter, when he came home he was met with the usual contingent of "War protesters".
Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
I remember it well. There was no excuse for your mistreatment. I hope you know everyone didn’t feel that way. You did your duty. Thank you for your service and God bless. 🤟🏼🇺🇸🙏🏼
There was no excuse for the way the returning vets were treated. Honestly today homeless vets is a big issue but our government doesn't do anything to help them.
“The Migs came up. The Migs were aggressive. We tangled, they lost”
One of the coldest post-operation interview lines I’ve ever heard.
What I'd expect from a warrior.
Korea.... politicians, Vietnam....politicans, Afghanistan.....politicans.
Southern border ... politicians .
Biden to afghanis "here you go, have 85 billion dollars in our top end US military weaponry"
@@asgardian6638there is a theory that it was on purpose so they can use it on Iran, which they kinda did. That a lost of the were crashed amd destroyed do to stupidity
@@patrioticz2858biden aint that clever
@@asgardian6638 trust me, I know. Probably the CIA from what I heard but it is just a theory. The supreme court said Biden probably isn't competent enough to stand trail and in my opinion that means he shouldn't be president if you can't even stand trail
My uncle was one of those guys who trained him on the capabilities of the F4.
I am a vet but, I have seen some comments on here that don't make sense to me. Someone saying that they were an exchange student from another country and got drafted into service in Vietnam. The US does not have the authority to draft a foreign national into military service. Also, someone commented they were forcibly drafted as a Ranger. Rangers are and have always been volunteer. You may have been drafted but, if you served as a Ranger, you had to volunteer for the extra training to achieve that designation. If there are explanations for these that I missed, I'm sorry.
You don’t just get drafted as a ranger , you’re 100’percent. I’m ex 11 B and ranger training is some intense fking training you don’t just become a ranger, like you said you have to willingly submit yourself to the Hell training and maybe you get the honor of becoming a badass ranger.
There is a great book about General Robin Old written by his daughter from his memoirs. It is called “FIGHTER PILOT” by Christine Olds. A great read about a great man. BTW, He detested most politicians.
My first story I heard about this guy was when you reacted to "proportional" and I was hooked! I've watched them all with ya and I'm yelling at my screen the same way you are 😂
It's always the old guy in the suit making bad decisions, oh wait, that's happening now too 😬😂😂😂
Fear old men in a world where the good die young ! ! !
L3WG now understands us americans and our disliking of the government and politicians.
2:23 You talk about the rules of war. There is one saying when combating American forces, never take out the commander/leader. They act as a regulator to hold the soldiers back.
Fat Electrician has a video on this
Yeah I cant imagine a bunch of soldiers standing in a dangerous area with no commander to give orders can lead to a lot of casualties on both sides
@ZeallustImmortal that isn't it, it is because the officer is the only one that cares about the Geneva Convention, ROE and all that other stuff
@@ZeallustImmortal czcams.com/video/rzUDkk0eOVE/video.htmlsi=rv2MzkElVp8wT60O
@ZeallustImmortal also the American military is set up with NCOs and can function without an officer if needed
Yea.
Vietnam was lost because of spinless politicians.
So many arbitraty rules, they wanted us to loose. And so we did.
Had nothing to do with the enemy.
Who was poorly trained. Using crappy russian gear. And minimal ammounts of it.
America had the power and equipments but the vietcongs had the smart of guerilla warfare!
@@bullyear1973 they didn't have rules of war to follow.
That's it.
Their style of warfare could've easily been over whelmed if politicians didn't tack on a million arbitrary rules.
you do realize that we used guerilla warfare in the revolutionary war, right?@@bullyear1973
A war of the unwilling, led by the incompetent, for the ungrateful..
@@typhoon1575 North Vietnamese were basically defeated twice, and both times they used "peace negotiations" as a ruse to regroup and rearm. Politicians didn't have the balls to risk p*ssing off the Soviets or the Chinese again by really taking the gloves off, they had learned in Korea that bad things happen when you do that..
"I apologize a trillion times." Such a great throwaway reference.
Something to note about him escorting his wingman back: He had already spent about half of his missiles anyway assuming he had a full loadout. Doesn't make sense to send someone else back with a potential full loadout when he could go get refueled and rearmed anyway.
So, it took me way too long (around 20 seconds) to get the “Black Man and Robin” reference. Finally realized it was a cute Batman reference. 🤦🏻♀️
This cracked me up. My dad dis 3 tours in the Vietnam war. When I was in high school, I wrote an English composition paper about how the politicians f'd up the Vietnam war with all their bureaucracy and rules.
In war you starve the enemy from nice things creature comforts food and water logistically you destroy them.
You treat prisoners well those that surrender get taken well care of. You pump propaganda/psyop the enemies of course some will not surrender no matter what but those who don't you either deal with or the enemy retreats.
As far as rules in war there more like guidelines they can be broken but you try to enforce them until you the other side starts breaking them then you do gruesome things. Stuff that is looked down upon these days.
Strategically Take Equipment to Another Location ....STEAL is a military acronym that I amd my fellow Gunnys are very familiar with.
Politicians, the reason the US ever looses a war.
What a pleasant surprise to hear a story of Chappie James. He’s from my hometown and we had our 20 class reunion (years ago 😁) meet & greet in the Chappie James Hall building.
"It don't make sense". Yea sounds like NAM to me.
If you've ever seen the original movie "Top Gun", this situation was basically the reason the fighter weapons school was created, the found out that fancy missiles aren't really all that good...
If you want to see how the fight happened, the History channel had a show called Dogfights that covered Operation Bolo. I think it was second episode of the first season. The footage of the jet maneuvers in this guy's video are taken directly from that episode. The actual episode covers the entire operation like that.
My uncle served in 1965-67 in Vietnam as an infantryman. On patrol they were forbidden to load their weapons until they were fired upon or be fined. He said the 1st thing they did on patrol was to load $$$$ in the chamber!!! He survived the war.
There are two main purposes to rules of engagement from a purely practical standpoint.
1. Don't look bad. That could be don't look like the bad guys or don't look incompetent. Thus the rule about not firing until you're sure it's an enemy because the war was unpopular and the politicians were scared of a friendly fire incident.
2. Don't directly provoke other powers and potentially get them (more) involved, this the paranoia about killing a Chinese or Russian advisor.
That said, putting specific rules like that in place from people who don't understand the ground situation or warfare in general is idiotic. The smart thing to do is have the politicians tell the ground troops the *goals*, and let them find better ways to accomplish them, because I guarantee you the combined common sense of experiences soldiers vastly outweighs that of the entire political body.
The F-4 Phantom II was originally meant for the US Navy as a carrier-borne interceptor, but then politics happened and the USAF got their Phantoms as well
Good video review. There is a one hour TV show about this dogfight. Here in the US we have a TV network called The History Channel about 15 to 20 years ago, they had a series called aces of the sky and it was about this engagement. It might be on CZcams and it had really good graphics that showed this engagement. Hope you can find it.
It is and has been for a while now, but if anyone not in the US wants to watch it, they are probably going to need a VPN in order to access it (I do not know if this applies to military bases, hence the "probably"). I moved to NZ a few years ago, and my VPN is how I have been able to keep watching stuff region-locked to the US.
Back when the history Channel was good
That scene was in cars part 1
He made a shirt with the tank slogan " In The Mood " lol
That was a great question. Are the politicians on the enemy's team.
Are the politicians on the Vietnamese team? My Dad thought so. He fought in the 101 airborne during the war near the DMZ. I think he said the US government fed the NVA rice when they ran out of food and a whole bunch of shady shit I won't mention in CZcams comment.
They do say that a significant motive for the war was preventing the Vietnamese rice harvest from falling under complete communist control.
Tell that the tens of thousands of people's that died post war from unexploded munitions and millions more that were infected with agent orange.
We lost a war we should have never been in.
Americans have been asking this question about our politicians consistently since Vietnam! I swear most of them are loyal to the enemy, or at least to whoever is willing to pay them bribes!🤦🏻♂️
@@user-dw1cz9he1w The politicians are not the reason why we pulled out. The civilians realized that we should not be supporting an unjust war.
Politicians had the pressure of the anti war protesters they had to appease, at the cost of the wellness of the military. Made their choice clear as day
Love your reactions to his videos 😂
I believe the Grumman F-14A Tomcat entered service right around the end of the Vietnam War. I recall hearing that because of that dumb Gotta See Them rule, the F-14 was equipped with a stupidly powerful telephoto TV camera wired to a display in the cockpit just so pilots can stick to the Vietnam Era rules of engagement and get a visual ID on the target while they're still well outside of visual range.
I remember being about 5 years old in the New Orleans airport to pick up my Dad. About 5 soldiers were walking together with their heads down, and some people went up to them and spit on them and yelled " Baby killers!" at them. I wasn't sure exactly what was going on, but I remember having a lump in my throat and a hole in my stomach over seeing that. My Mom yelled, "Stop that ! Shame on all of you! " at them.
The problem was that the phantoms had to be in Gunfights with missiles that failed about 90% of the time with pilots not trained to Dogfight because of the LBJ administration of BVR ONLY Doctrine. However after Frank Ault wrote his report of this problem called the Ault Report he had the Founder of what would be called TOP GUN , Dan Pedersen , train pilots at the new Top Gun school how to Dogfight. These Top Gun Phantom pilots took the ratio from 2:1 to an astounding 24:1 with the phantoms by the end of Vietnam! Why this is not known of how the phantoms achieved such a record by the end of vietnam is to cover the mistakes of the administration during Vietnam!
The military did not lose the war, the politicians did. Too many politicians survived after the war. Had they not, politicians would consider military lives more when making decisions they will never have to live by.
Movies like iron eagle and top gun probably best describes what these fighters were capable of 😂
Interesting fact: the CGI and explanation of the Vector Roll were from a show called "DogFights" that used to be on the Military Channel. They also did an episode on Operation Bolo that included interviews with pilots that took part and Military advisors/experts. The whole episode is over 40 minutes long, but availaable on CZcams and I highly recommend the series.
War is hell. We (America) always have the best military aircraft, period. How and when they are used is a different story.
they wanted this lasting as long as possible for the contracts made during that time, follow the money
It was only during Nixon's Linebacker II, that all the rules were ignored. No restrictions on the bombing and it ended the war and got the POWs released. 6 aircraft carriers flying round-the-clock missions and Air Force flying missions of 120+ B-52s all at the same time.
To lose a war without losing a battle 90 mills from victory. Rules mean morals
That’s a really good way to put it. You don’t want to go too far when you’re the person in the right.
I agree, for most situations, but there are times where no rules apply.
I suggested this video to you a day or so ago on a month old video of yours! Glad you got to see it.
And... FYI... That *was* the first Cars.
I love watching your reactions, you are an amazing young man!!
one thing to remember with the politicians here is that this was at the height of the cold war so everyone had enough nukes to destroy the earth pointed at each other and we didn't know at the time if one dead 'advisor' would be the match that sparked the explosion that ended humanity forever. You're too young to remember what that felt like. I am not. the stakes were unimaginable to anyone born after the early 80s. The reason they were so adamant about avoiding collateral casualties is that a mistake could mean that the earth glows at night and the only living things left are bacteria and roaches.
The movie Iron Eagle is a good fighter pilot movie and the guy that helps him is named Chappie. Might be about this guy.
Flight of the Intruder, although fictional, is loosely based on U.S. aircraft having to fly through that narrow corridor in Vietnam.
I am a Navy and Army veteran and would LOVE to have a conversation with you about ALL KINDS OF THINGS! I would love to be your guide when you visit the U.S.. I'm a disabled veteran and have been planning a tour of the USA myself. I just lost my service dog in December and am not ready to have another, so YOU could be a GREAT traveling companion.
Now you see why we "lost" Vietnam, The "loss" isn't counted because (from how I understand it) what was going on with the US in Vietnam was never "technically" declared a "War"... it was a "conflict". But that was before my time so idkfs.
There's a difference between rules of engagement and war crimes. War crimes are for things that basically everyone came together and "agreed" to abide by. Our more accuratly, a few countries decided on these rules and told everyone else to follow them or else. Rules of engagement are set by a government to keep things "fair" in a war that would otherwise be unfair. That's why every American war since World War 2 has ended up taking way longer than they should have. Some "unintended" consequences of extending a war include rich people making lots of money and lives lost. Coincidentally, the politicians setting these rules of engagement tend to end up doing pretty well for themselves following war times as well.
33:57 Olds was the elite of the elite. And teamed with a man like Chappy, look out. And that scene WAS the first Cars movie. That would be a geeat movie. The History Channel did a series for a couple seasons about planes and certain battles, including this one. They made all these animations, some of which are in your video, so as to be like actual events. Pretty good stuff. It actually puts you in the fight.
@10:23 OH YEAHHH!!!!!!! 🤘💪
In the end where you saw people testifying as to what happened means there’s footage out there or at least first hand accounts of everything that happened by pilots that were there… you should look for anything on it. I’d be interested too.
This has been one your very best presentations 👍👍🤪😏😊😉👍👍👍👍👍
I love your channel 😊 You make me smile 😊
id learned more more about these in just a few of your video's than i had in all of my schooling combined! lol!!!
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NVA's secret weapon was a bike with a piece of bamboo through the handlebars.
What about the animals? Lol, Review the documentary "Operation Dumbo Drop".
23:50 😅
The thing for the rules of engagement, is they are not rules of war as a whole. Things like "don't mistreat POWs" or "don't target medics" are rules of war, where a vast majority of countries have agreed that this should be something nobody does. Rules of engagement are the US government saying "our forces can only do things within these parameters, regardless of whether your side abides by those rules". this is politicians interfering with things that they have no idea what they're talking about, and nobody who has actual working knowledge of the military (or whatever else the topic may be at a given time) is allowed to help make the decisions they have specialized knowledge of.
Na man it's not crazy that you've only seen the 1st cars movie. I've not even seen the first one lol
The scene from cars that you said you don’t recognize cuz you’ve only seen the first is actually a scene from the first. Only reason I know for sure is cuz my 3 year old only wants to watch cars on repeat forever. Pray for me
This guy cracks me the hell up! 5-gon was always the weakest link. We could have had tablet technology as early as 1985!
I wasn’t even alive and the more I learn about the Vietnam War the more I wanna hide under the nearest bed. Should it have happened, I don’t think so; should Vets EVER be treated that way upon homecoming(?), HELL NO🚫. Still loved this video though!
It was this period in time where the fire weapons and tactics school was developed also known as more popularly Top Gun
Now you understand why the Vietnam war was such a cluster fuck
There is the Redtails movie...but thats the closes you going to get with Chappy in it.
Good vid
Many of the MIG's before 1970 were actually flown by the Russian pilots. We didn't find this out till after the fall of the Soviet Union when it was declassified.
Yeah it is crazy you’ve only seen the first cars because that clip was from the first cars
thers was a cool history channel show about dogfights, they did an ep on this. they show it in sgi an help visualize the battle.
This also goes to show everyone just how blatantly stupid US politicians actually are. It also shows the world that while the US military is second to none in training, equipment, and willingness to fight, the military is almost always crippled by by incompetent politicians. This is also in part why the US military is having such a hard time getting recruits and keeping the personal they already have. I mean how many people would reconsider joining the military if they truly understood that the politicians will constantly interfere with military decisions and get soldiers killed simply for political decisions. The fact that Russian and Chinese trainers and observes were there changes nothing they were still military targets. Only a fool would believe the Chinese or Russians would start a war over a few dead observes. They would simply deny they were ever there in the first place.
Thats why we use contractors and secret forces to get around rules
the crazy thing is the bombs we dropped on vietnam (also dont worry we're allies now 💪💪) were mistaken as nukes when we used them in the gulf war in the 1990s because they were that big and powerful. (14,500 pounds of explosives so yea...lol)
sounds more like they were intentionally trying to draw out the war while they invested in bomb manufacturing.
I have already seen this one on the fat electricians channel but I couldn't resist watching your reaction.😂😂
If a neutral country has advisors on enemy combat sites... Isn't that violating their neutrality?... Wouldn't that make them combatants at that point?
The rules of war came out of how brutal WW2 was. The civilian bombing, using white phosphorus, cluster bombs, chemical weapons and such. In theory, break those rules and the entire U.N. comes down on ya.
I know you don’t usually or possibly have ever done a movie reaction, have you ever seen “Top Gun” or the sequel “Top Gun Maverick?”
Theres a show on history Channel that shows the whole story in great CGI
That was the first Cars.
Bruh, so far there is no hook echo. I live in Okc and have my entire life. We will probably see some small hail here
id like to think politicians like to give america a handycap so when america still wins, they looks more badass
This in general was the whole problem with Vietnam war, our hands was diplomatically tied by the wonderful idiots on the hill.
Olds and Chappy were nicknamed Robin and Black man
This was during the cold war era, any military action could become political real fast.
Bro, I genuinely like seeing you watch and enjoy The Fat Electrician!
I guess this explains the old saying you don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.
They didn't just fucking mess with the pilots, they messed with the soldiers on the ground as well
4:16 You are not the first one to ask that question. Nor will you be the last.
Indecision can be just as effective as combat ! ! !
the history channel covered operation bolo in a episode of Dogfights