@@tojim9490 I didn't pay attention since it was boring af, but after I thought they were talking about her getting breast implants the teacher said that they were talking about her getting an abortion
They actually sat outside. Not inside as shown in the video......."The American and the girl with him sat at a table in the shade, outside the building. It was very hot and the express from Barcelona would come in forty minutes"
If she has the abortion she loses the baby. If she doesn't, she loses the lifestyle. It can't go back to how it was. There will be loss either way. She is deciding which loss is greater. Hope this helps!
why is everyone saying "oh i didn't know he was black"? just because he happens to be black in this particular film adaptation doesn't mean that it is exactly how it was written
I agree, There is no mention to the man's race in the story. But i dont like it when they try to change the race gender of well known and developed characters. Make a new character for that.
I think the interpretation with him as a black American adds richness to the dilemma or ot the story centers around. This is set presumably when...? Between Late 1920s- early 1940s. Not a time when interracial love or marriage was tolerated, at least not in America, (where at least one of the leads is from). Furthermore the womans diction, containment of her emotions and appearance, combined with the fact she has access to travel Europe, suggests she is at least somewhat "well bred"-- perhaps upper middle class American or English gentry. In that era, for the daughter of "good family" to have a child out of wedlock is wholly unacceptable. For her to have a *biracial* child out of wedlock was *unthinkable*. She would be made to suffer for "dishonoring" her family; sent away for the pregnancy, perhaps somewhere religious where young women are sent to hide pregnancy and are shamed and emotionally abused as punishment, at least until birth, perhaps bcus of the race thing even locked up even afterward in an asylum. Where a young white woman having a white baby out of wedlock might have her mother or aunt claim the bastard and let her help raise it, or if the baby daddy was a lower class likely have a servant adopt and raise it -- the stable grooms wife or something. But her baby would undoubtedly be taken from her immediately and given away because of its race, which would be black, at least in America , where the shadow of the one-drop rule affects the identity of mixed race people who have even 1/16th african ancestry, even today. She would never know what happened to her child. Perhaps it would be thrust upon a southern cousin's friend's black maid, to raise with her own children. Perhaps it would be left in the doorstep of a black church before sunrise. Perhaps an orphanage. And god forbid they find out who the father is! He could be lynched, at least badly beaten, maybe to death. The black American man understands all this. He knows what happens when white people feel (unreasonably) threatened by black people, especially black men, for getting "too close" or even sometimes just for being noticed, of existing. Even if he is does pretty well for himself financially ( very nice clothes, hat, very pleasant and chivalrous) as a black American he has been exposed to the ugly reality of racial injustice in America. Even if he himself has never had cause to fear for his life for being black, someone close to him surely has, and racist violence has undoubtedly touched the lives in his family and community. This man wants the abortion because having their child be born would be very dangerous for them both and would destroy not just their relationship, but their lives; figuratively, but for him also perhaps literally. I did first imagine the man white when reacing it the 1st time in high school, probably because I am caucasian and most people I knew were-- I would expect most readers, especially when young, tend to initially imagine all characters as their own race/ethnicity unless the author specifies otherwise. So imagining the man as a white American, his trying to convince the girl to have an abortion comes off as a sort of selfish kind of peer pressure so he doesnt have to take responsibility. But with the character as a black American it reads very different. The girl seems wistful, perhaps romanticizing the possibility of them traveling while raising their child together. This man knows that is NOT a possibility. They would be in constant danger. They would have to find a community, more likely a black community, to accept them and stay there. Would she feel awkward living among black Americans?. It still wouldn't really ever be fully safe as s familyin 1930s US. The actors in this did very well I think bringing across the pace and dialogue of the story, especially the man. I will always think of the American man in this story as a black American now, as this very actor. It not only reveals more depth to the characters and plot but heightens the tension as the stakes are more explicit. Great interpretation!
Was anyone really confused by this story? I had no idea what the man woman were talking about, and why she "felt fine" by the end of it. I didn't know they were talking about an abortion.
@@bandgeek89 alright, I'm sorry. I talked with a few people about the short story that the movie is based on and most of them didn't understand it the first time either.
So let me get this straight, When the girl talks about having everything she means her baby which means everything to her, but the guy thinks shes talking about the world and their freedom they would have if they didnt have a child am i right?
How interesting. I always thought that it was a white American man (who travels a lot, which is how he knows Spanish) with a non-American (though not Hispanic) girl, for some reason. Must be her unusual nickname. I guess that's the best part about literature--any number of interpretations can be made, and most are valid.
I have to study this story because of passing the English exam in Iranian University. Your characters are really suitable. I mean black man and white woman.Thank you anyway
@fenderguy97 it's about abortion, symbolism is huuge in this story. hills = pregnant bump, white elephant = useless, ignoring it. the girl drinks beer as a distraction
@@jujodegr I'm sure @MichaelPerry was refering to then finishing the first beer and ordering another. Also, the most important part of the story where the American actually takes the bags to the OTHER side of the station. Then him being stressed out about the decision to do so and stopping to graveyard another beer alone as he walked back. Then the expression on her face as he's returned from making the decision to not go through with it. Those are very important parts of the story that Hemingway actually included.
@ifrit2009 oh well, gave up on giving genre's to songs a long time ago. i now listen to whatever that pleases my eardrums. jonny craig is capable of pleasing a lot of eardrums.
the meaning of this story is sooo amazing because ernest hemingway told the whole story and the entire plot for what it meant with out making a direct reference to what the actual meaning was, and all using symbolic terms and analogies for what they meant :D its awsome as tits man lol!!!!
+Gayle Rocz Yeah this was the whole short story that Hemingway wrote. He was really minimalist and only gives us a snapshot so we have to figure out what's going on. :)
first it is 1927 (i am a black man) and this would not be happening, anywhere not even Spain. second why are they inside clearly the setting is outside.
These comments are ridiculous. You people do realize that "Hills Like White Elephants" was a Hemingway short story long before some group used the title for their song. It's depressing that so many people can't appreciate Hemingway's beautiful and tragic story.
Having the man portrayed as a black man made the idea of abortion seem too easy to me. I think why the text of Hills like White Elephants is so great is because on the first read you are aware that there is something else within, but the idea of abortion doesn't jump out at you. You have to think about it. I thought that Raleigh did a good job but the fact that he was black made the idea too apparent, since at the time an interracial couple was frowned upon. Interesting interpretation though.
@sparkles510 I imagined the guy as white too. But unless you specifically thought she was brazillian then it's unlikely she'd be from south america because she doesn't speak spanish. Increasing her vulnerablity
I personally don't mind that the dude is black, it's certainly possibly in mexico/central America during that time. Either way, it's somewhat of a stretch for 1927. It takes away from the story, In my opinion.
Theresia Royel I'm mexican, I live in Mexico. There are tan people or dark skinned people, but not black people. Of course there are tons of different people everywhere, I know that, but Mexicans are hardly ever black. Yes, nowadays it's more common (think of Lupita Nyong'o) but it is more likely to find black natives in countries were they have black influence like Brazil, Venezuela, Cuba or so.
Theresia Royel don't misinterpret my statement, I understand there are black people everywhere. But native mexicans aren't black, and that is my point. Considering the time this is set, it is not likely for the man to be Mexican.
They had Elizabeth Taylor playing a North African in Cleopatra. It's not exactly historically accurate for an English-descended person to play that role . Actors can play roles, people! Geez. Actors aren't the parts they play in real life, get over your racism.
Nice production, but doesn't it sorta defeat the purpose of the work? The story is about ambiguity and dialog. Filming it sorta adds all of that narration that was intentionally left out (I'm no purist, but it just seems like this is one of those rare stories which are 100% unfilmable).
lynsy marie The American being black actually adds an interesting possibility. An interracial relationship would be something they’d both likely want to cover up, due to the time period, and a reason why he may be pressuring Jig to go through with the “operation.”
I'm taking an English class at college and we are talking about this in class. On my book there's a brief description of the story, bcuz to me it was very confusing. After reading the story, I went to the description and in the book it talks about the couple talking about an abortion. And thanks to the comments I learned that "White Elephant" means an unwanted gift
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For fuck sake 3 years later and I'm here for the same reason
Josue-2910 same can you help me
Josue-2910 I need to write a response paper can u do me a favour and explain the story for me
@@tojim9490 I didn't pay attention since it was boring af, but after I thought they were talking about her getting breast implants the teacher said that they were talking about her getting an abortion
They actually sat outside. Not inside as shown in the video......."The American and the girl with him sat at a table in the shade, outside the building. It was very hot and the express from Barcelona would come in forty minutes"
exactly
Eleazar Mc I don’t think that’s the worst part of the video
How do our English teacher be finding the most random shit to make essays on 😭 😂
lol
dude for real are you in English 302 too?!
How is Hemingway random 😭
Hemingway is anything but random! Stay in school fool
ENG 102 lol
If she has the abortion she loses the baby. If she doesn't, she loses the lifestyle. It can't go back to how it was. There will be loss either way. She is deciding which loss is greater. Hope this helps!
This helped alot
Thank you for making this available to us on here. It sure helps to have a better understanding of what Hemmingway was saying.
I’m gonna fail English because of this
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why is everyone saying "oh i didn't know he was black"? just because he happens to be black in this particular film adaptation doesn't mean that it is exactly how it was written
I agree, There is no mention to the man's race in the story. But i dont like it when they try to change the race gender of well known and developed characters. Make a new character for that.
@@rapper250 what was the race of this well known and developed character suppose to have been? He's only mentioned to be AMERICAN.
I think the interpretation with him as a black American adds richness to the dilemma or ot the story centers around. This is set presumably when...? Between Late 1920s- early 1940s. Not a time when interracial love or marriage was tolerated, at least not in America, (where at least one of the leads is from).
Furthermore the womans diction, containment of her emotions and appearance, combined with the fact she has access to travel Europe, suggests she is at least somewhat "well bred"-- perhaps upper middle class American or English gentry. In that era, for the daughter of "good family" to have a child out of wedlock is wholly unacceptable. For her to have a *biracial* child out of wedlock was *unthinkable*. She would be made to suffer for "dishonoring" her family; sent away for the pregnancy, perhaps somewhere religious where young women are sent to hide pregnancy and are shamed and emotionally abused as punishment, at least until birth, perhaps bcus of the race thing even locked up even afterward in an asylum. Where a young white woman having a white baby out of wedlock might have her mother or aunt claim the bastard and let her help raise it, or if the baby daddy was a lower class likely have a servant adopt and raise it -- the stable grooms wife or something. But her baby would undoubtedly be taken from her immediately and given away because of its race, which would be black, at least in America , where the shadow of the one-drop rule affects the identity of mixed race people who have even 1/16th african ancestry, even today.
She would never know what happened to her child. Perhaps it would be thrust upon a southern cousin's friend's black maid, to raise with her own children. Perhaps it would be left in the doorstep of a black church before sunrise. Perhaps an orphanage.
And god forbid they find out who the father is! He could be lynched, at least badly beaten, maybe to death.
The black American man understands all this. He knows what happens when white people feel (unreasonably) threatened by black people, especially black men, for getting "too close" or even sometimes just for being noticed, of existing. Even if he is does pretty well for himself financially ( very nice clothes, hat, very pleasant and chivalrous) as a black American he has been exposed to the ugly reality of racial injustice in America. Even if he himself has never had cause to fear for his life for being black, someone close to him surely has, and racist violence has undoubtedly touched the lives in his family and community.
This man wants the abortion because having their child be born would be very dangerous for them both and would destroy not just their relationship, but their lives; figuratively, but for him also perhaps literally.
I did first imagine the man white when reacing it the 1st time in high school, probably because I am caucasian and most people I knew were-- I would expect most readers, especially when young, tend to initially imagine all characters as their own race/ethnicity unless the author specifies otherwise.
So imagining the man as a white American, his trying to convince the girl to have an abortion comes off as a sort of selfish kind of peer pressure so he doesnt have to take responsibility.
But with the character as a black American it reads very different.
The girl seems wistful, perhaps romanticizing the possibility of them traveling while raising their child together. This man knows that is NOT a possibility. They would be in constant danger. They would have to find a community, more likely a black community, to accept them and stay there. Would she feel awkward living among black Americans?. It still wouldn't really ever be fully safe as s familyin 1930s US.
The actors in this did very well I think bringing across the pace and dialogue of the story, especially the man. I will always think of the American man in this story as a black American now, as this very actor. It not only reveals more depth to the characters and plot but heightens the tension as the stakes are more explicit.
Great interpretation!
This video is great. It's the closest to the written version, and the fact that it's a play on races makes it better.......
this was good. Nice job bringing the story to life.
Was anyone really confused by this story? I had no idea what the man woman were talking about, and why she "felt fine" by the end of it. I didn't know they were talking about an abortion.
You're just stupid
i think they're talking about abortion
@@peterlooles1137 or maybe I just don't get things as quickly as most people do
@@bandgeek89 alright, I'm sorry. I talked with a few people about the short story that the movie is based on and most of them didn't understand it the first time either.
I thought the girl has cataract LMAO
So let me get this straight, When the girl talks about having everything she means her baby which means everything to her, but the guy thinks shes talking about the world and their freedom they would have if they didnt have a child am i right?
i think so
this is so much easier to understand than just reading it off of google classroom oof
How interesting. I always thought that it was a white American man (who travels a lot, which is how he knows Spanish) with a non-American (though not Hispanic) girl, for some reason. Must be her unusual nickname. I guess that's the best part about literature--any number of interpretations can be made, and most are valid.
I have to study this story because of passing the English exam in Iranian University. Your characters are really suitable. I mean black man and white woman.Thank you anyway
What a waste of beer!
@fenderguy97 it's about abortion, symbolism is huuge in this story. hills = pregnant bump, white elephant = useless, ignoring it. the girl drinks beer as a distraction
one of the best stories I have ever read. Ernest hemingway is a hero
A good portion of this story is missing.
Don't you get this is about a shortstory by Hemingway?
@@jujodegr I'm sure @MichaelPerry was refering to then finishing the first beer and ordering another. Also, the most important part of the story where the American actually takes the bags to the OTHER side of the station. Then him being stressed out about the decision to do so and stopping to graveyard another beer alone as he walked back. Then the expression on her face as he's returned from making the decision to not go through with it. Those are very important parts of the story that Hemingway actually included.
idk what they saying and idc about that i just want to pass tomorrow’s exam mann!!!
will do, if I find it
sound goes when he's got his back to the camera, could have been subbed in afterwards, cinematography and lighting is excellent though!!
Thanks for the great performance！Do you have a higher definition version of this video？
Mairo Vergara
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@RickGhastly Agreed.
Anyone knows when was the date the film was made? Thank you!
Wow this girl can really act! So captivating!
WhereisDreamland Did we watch the same video?
not sure you were watdhing the same thing as us dreamland
playback speed to 1.75 thank me later!
@ifrit2009 oh well, gave up on giving genre's to songs a long time ago. i now listen to whatever that pleases my eardrums. jonny craig is capable of pleasing a lot of eardrums.
Wow. I didn't even THINK about the guy being African-American. Really good rendition!
You must be racist
Estou aqui por está fazendo o curso do Mairo kkkk
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@@lucaslicar3713 😂🤝
@Theblackfisher yes they are
I have a home work about this shit,and it's really hard to do it
if you find it, wanna post a link?
This feels like pulling teeth
did you find it? looking for it too
the meaning of this story is sooo amazing because ernest hemingway told the whole story and the entire plot for what it meant with out making a direct reference to what the actual meaning was, and all using symbolic terms and analogies for what they meant :D its awsome as tits man lol!!!!
Can you explain the symbols and the analogies dear?
they're supposed to be outside the building r they not?
@rosesinvase yeah the original story gives a good feeling to the reader than the movie. Yet, movie is also successful
Is there other theme than love and classes?
@VanillaMostly There outside in the original text.
That anis del toro seems good though..
Good luck with those book reports!
Both actors did a phenomenal job!
At making me go to sleep.
Sophomore English Language Arts (ELA) brought me here.
There were outside not inside but still thanks for the video it helped me
Selye János University, AMS20 class brought me here.
@sparkles510 This happened in Spain and you thought she would be native to South America?
That was great. I would have liked to see the rest of the story though
+Gayle Rocz Yeah this was the whole short story that Hemingway wrote. He was really minimalist and only gives us a snapshot so we have to figure out what's going on. :)
I know; the story didn't end there. I was waiting for her to ask him to "please please please please please please please" stop talking.
Why? 5 minutes is all I need to fall asleep.
Can't hear it.
Im gonna have a retake on an exam and this is one of the reading selections they have. And i still dont get the story
I found it amazing,
Oh yea?
I think it's a sad short story, who understands that the guy is trying to convince her to have an abortion?
Yeah.
its such a sad story.....and really depressing
@fenderguy97 for me too ;) we're all going through this
screw that-I'm just looking for the version with benedict cumberbatch lol
first it is 1927 (i am a black man) and this would not be happening, anywhere not even Spain. second why are they inside clearly the setting is outside.
These comments are ridiculous. You people do realize that "Hills Like White Elephants" was a Hemingway short story long before some group used the title for their song. It's depressing that so many people can't appreciate Hemingway's beautiful and tragic story.
Calm your shit bro
What is the thing they are discussing that is she is supposed to do?
He wants her to terminate her pregnancy.
Having the man portrayed as a black man made the idea of abortion seem too easy to me. I think why the text of Hills like White Elephants is so great is because on the first read you are aware that there is something else within, but the idea of abortion doesn't jump out at you. You have to think about it. I thought that Raleigh did a good job but the fact that he was black made the idea too apparent, since at the time an interracial couple was frowned upon.
Interesting interpretation though.
dont know why but when my teacher said the girl couldnt drink beer it already came to mind that shes bearing a child lmao
Am I supposed to fucking understand this.
Mairo Vergara
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AP eng lit brought me here lol
Same, English ap 4 right now
Looks kind've like a younger Melissa McBride.
Why would anyone care about what brought you here? I had to go through pointless comments (like this one) to get usefull knowledge.. waduhek :(
Wait, that's it?
Im so confused help
@sparkles510 I imagined the guy as white too. But unless you specifically thought she was brazillian then it's unlikely she'd be from south america because she doesn't speak spanish. Increasing her vulnerablity
not that I am aware
I personally don't mind that the dude is black, it's certainly possibly in mexico/central America during that time. Either way, it's somewhat of a stretch for 1927. It takes away from the story, In my opinion.
+Michael Perry it takes place in spain.
First of all, it's set in Spain. Second of all, people in Mexico aren't black.
Theresia Royel I'm mexican, I live in Mexico. There are tan people or dark skinned people, but not black people. Of course there are tons of different people everywhere, I know that, but Mexicans are hardly ever black. Yes, nowadays it's more common (think of Lupita Nyong'o) but it is more likely to find black natives in countries were they have black influence like Brazil, Venezuela, Cuba or so.
Theresia Royel don't misinterpret my statement, I understand there are black people everywhere. But native mexicans aren't black, and that is my point. Considering the time this is set, it is not likely for the man to be Mexican.
Discourse analysis lecture brought me here 🙄🙄🙄
sara susan so you still remember the story ?
Who else came here by clicking on Related Videos on an Isles and Glaciers video?
I NEED 3 points of symbolism for my essay !!! help anyone?
Do your own essay, you bum
I bet your shifting jobs yearly now huh?
ENC1102
Clearly produced with A.D.D.
There's a serious problem with the cameraman's ability to focus.
Where the f*ck is Benedict Cumberbatch? 😐
no I haven't
Literary Studies brought me here
If you are here for you English class, comment here
when i read it at class i though the guy was white
I have balls like white elephants....
i thought this was suppose to have Benedict cumberbatch in ?
You saved my time, thanks.
I didn't understand what she wanted to do
They had Elizabeth Taylor playing a North African in Cleopatra. It's not exactly historically accurate for an English-descended person to play that role . Actors can play roles, people! Geez. Actors aren't the parts they play in real life, get over your racism.
good work guys ! too bad it ain't the whole short story
this is not?? T_T
I am here for ENGL 112 but because you changed the verbiage and cut the story short it is of no use to me.
I take that back. The American is terrible too.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MAN ?!
wheres isles and glaciers??!
@KelferMookie Ah yes, you say right through me.
Why they always have to put South American people to play Spanish (from Spain) characters???? Lmao
This could've been better.
maybe a reason for the abortion discussion
Nice production, but doesn't it sorta defeat the purpose of the work? The story is about ambiguity and dialog. Filming it sorta adds all of that narration that was intentionally left out (I'm no purist, but it just seems like this is one of those rare stories which are 100% unfilmable).
But the story wasn't written in 2013. That's the point. This is an unrealistic portrayal of the story given Hemingway's time.
Ok him being black through me off , just for setting and time.
lynsy marie The American being black actually adds an interesting possibility. An interracial relationship would be something they’d both likely want to cover up, due to the time period, and a reason why he may be pressuring Jig to go through with the “operation.”
I'm only here because of my English 1302 class.
I find it funny that a black man is acting in a story that's supposed to be set in 1927.
Not exactly period accurate!
Where the hell did anybody get that this was about abortion other than having some other context? This is why I hate English literature.
Bryan when he references "simple operation" and when she says they "cant have it back". Judging by those phrases, what else can it be?
A plethora of possibilities
the term white elephant means something that is unwanted
it’s some bs fr
I'm taking an English class at college and we are talking about this in class. On my book there's a brief description of the story, bcuz to me it was very confusing. After reading the story, I went to the description and in the book it talks about the couple talking about an abortion. And thanks to the comments I learned that "White Elephant" means an unwanted gift