How This RuneScaper Outsmarted Jagex (OSRS)
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- When King Of The Skill was launched in Old School RuneScape jagex had no clue XP rates like this were even possible. One player skyrocketed to over 24 million magic XP in one day, something never seen in OSRS before.
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Disqualifying people for playing well? Yup, sounds like Jagex.
Happened in World of Warcraft as well. I don't remember which expansion, but I think it was either Mists of Pandaria or Warlords of Draenor. Leaning toward the latter.
@@CottidaeSEA Wrath of the Lich King is the expansion you're thinking of, but he also got world first 85 in Cataclysm. Athene abused mob-tagging. Basically, iirc, he would enter a dungeon with a group, drop group, tag everything he could, and then they would kill the mobs for him before he was kicked from the instance for not being in a group anymore. He would get the full exp instead split among party members.
The stupid part was that before he did it, he asked a GM if he would get banned and they said no. It was considered "clever use of game mechanics". Then when he hit 80, a different GM teleported to him and banned his entire group.
@@Makentz Nah, it happened to some other guy as well. Some mobs gave a damage buff on death, so they just kept funneling xp into one guy and still had damage to kill stuff efficiently.
@@CottidaeSEA interesting, I didn't know about that. I'll have to look into them, thanks for sharing
Especially when RoT makes it through a okay
Man I think sometimes some people forget that RS is a game.
games are meant to be broken
Several people are typing...
Man, I think you forget that some people’s entire existent revolves around a game
@@jeffshackleford3152 no they’re not🤣
wht are you implying sir
Related to this, you should make a video about how Cursed You went from 85-99 mage in a day from spam clicking the recharge spell before it had a cool down period. He then never logged off for over a week (this was before there was a 6 hour logout timer), making his hiscores never update, and made billions from mage staking. This is what I thought this video was going to be about.
I would enjoy a video on this
Insider trading
What a menace lmaoi
The Einstein of Runescape tied with a (plausible) cheater, that proves how broken his discovery truely was, what a legend.
That guy who salved the lib.. is a very smart guy
Yeah and an absolute unit. 24 million xp in 24 hours. I only have 17 million xp on my main
Insane how Woox got rank 1 BY FAR and streamed it all.
No cheats. Pure skill.
His heart beats with the game ticks.
God Woox
I love how you worded that last sentence, though I am equally concerned.
Given that game ticks seem to be 0.6 seconds, his average heart rate would be 100 bpm while playing.
@@sparkoceanic So you mean a pretty normal heart rate
@@MrThefoxyone Yep
Woox doesn’t count. That guy is way ahead of humanity.
I think KOTS was an important building block for leagues. Probably won’t come back
This specific varient wont come but but it was definitely a really good concept. With some rule changes it could be really good.
@@Godspamit recently yeah, leagues 2 trailblazer they juist released the rewards poll today
@@Godspamit hope you played.
Hey man I'm that guy that placed rank 2 in construction. The whole competition was handled terribly considering they had a link on the post for KoTS asking people to email modmatk if you found anybody in the game cheating. Despite my 3 emails I never got anything back from them about people scouting imps to speed through gp locked skills. Thanks for shining light on this topic, they really need to fix issues like this before thinking about another KoTS
A Basket - UIM u should cry about it
Im really interested in how the imps have anything to do with their construction gains. Can you elaborate or link the video/reddit post you made about it?
@@aar0nrs489 The imps give construction materials, which you would then use in your house. Remember, each account only has 24 hours of LOGGED IN time, so people would just make an alt, use it to hop worlds, find an imp, log in the main account, catch it, repeat until you've got all your construction materials, then grind out the skill.
@@StrangestReality but didnt they update it so every time you login or out you lose 1 minute off the timer regardless making these methods obsolete?
I dont like you cry😂
Honestly, seeing how desperate people are to win to even DDOS you, I really don't want another big tournament in OSRS.
Right? Doesn’t matter what the contest or prize is someone is gonna DDOS lol
as dead man mode is going off right now rofl
Just have cheating be allowed. Would actually be more fun to see the creative ways they find to fuck people over.
@@chudzij Yeah and then Jagey will be hel responsible.
How do they ddos you though. Runescape should be on secure servers. And discord is also decentralised. So how tf do they get ips.
I'm an it guy and don't get how people get ddosed in 2020 without you leaking your ip by doing a video chat with some random or visiting a link someone sends you.
I never even heard of this competition! Thanks for the awesome content!
Possible solution to scouting (2:15):
- On login place the player on a random world. Add e.g. 10 KOTS worlds for every region.
Selecting a EU world would randomly place you on 1 of the 10 EU worlds.
- Remove e.g. 10 seconds from the 24h timer on every login.
Possible solution to DDOSing:
- Disable clan chat and friends list.
- Do not render other players, public chat, overhead prayers and text, and items people drop.
- Randomize the names on the hiscores
This would hopefully result in people not knowing who they are competing against and when they are online.
Let me know if there is something obvious I have forgotten that makes these suggestions useless.
@@Pppp-yf4lj When people know who they are up against they use social engineering or buy data on these people to DDOS them. So obviously not directly, but indirectly. If you don't know who they are, you have to hit the entire world offline, which was not the case during KOTS. As for cheating these suggestions should deal with that, meaning everything else is allowed (jagex should obviously still ban bots etc). I did not suggest a region lock at all, I suggested that you should still be able to use the worlds that have the best ping for you without letting you choose which of the good ping worlds you end up on.
I found a slight flaw to the scouting solution: you could still scout 1 world continuously (as opposed to hopping worlds). This is less effective, but people would maybe still do it. Some form of instancing could fix this, but that is harder to implement for Jagex.
just lock the player to his lowest ping world, if his ping spikes above 200 ping, hop him to his next best server. Disallow hopping entirely and the entire runescape population would havethe same exact rules, in the event that someone uses like a vpn to change their internet route to change their ping to different parts of the world, that change should be logged, and after 10 changes (EVER) the account should be flagged and jagex should investigate the player's actions before and after the ping changes. and disqualify them if they are vpn hopping to buy items from a shop, or grabbing steel platebodies, etc.
Eyy another good video dude! I like how you did this video, it's like a documentary:)
Thank you! :D
Jagex: hey osrs players look at this cool event it gives you 10x xp its gonan be really fun we know things are gonna be op because of it
Also Jagex: reee your getting xp tooo fast stop it *ban hammer*
😂 😂
I mean can you blame them? Runescape is so heavily botted and cheated it's not even funny. Jagex is basically a ticking time bomb, one more bot and they might just shut the game down loool
@@BizzBizz69 Bots have existed ever since the game launched, so im prettysure they are used to it by now considering its been almost 20 years since the game release.
@@Omgiamsotriggered botting wasn't as bad as it is now when osrs was just runescape. Obviously trading centers were full of bots (banks before the ge) and people blatently advertising things you can only get by breaking the rules. This was always a problem. But now it's way out of control. It's hard to skill anything because every world is swamped with bots. Not to mention the market manipulation. I found an exploit making me about 82k a day if i do it for 8 hours and about 160k a day if I dedicate a whole day to runescape. If i used bots to collect mats. I would make this in minutes. And then the price would shrink to about 110gp ea. I'm honestly surprised it has stayed between 600-800gp. Probably because the only ftp good source in in the wilderness. And you need a high combat skill not to be mobbed near it.
A lvl3 bot with lvl60 mining would probably be able to make 100 mithril bars in about 6 hours. But would only have 5 5 minute responding blocks to use per world. They would have to compete with other players mining these rocks. And all available mithril ore in ftp is inaccessible to a lvl3 except in the mining guild or the one rock on either side of Varrok. It's not worth it for a botter to try to occupy all of these rocks at once. It takes them too many resources for too little profit.
I love virtual economies
Cool video and very cool competition. Never knew it happened, I'd love to see it happen again with proper cheat detection of some kind.
i saw FART SHARTLY in the CC! this is Bartender!
i don't really play that much rn but big shoutout to you!
it's a "witch hunt" because he was using magic, funny
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They should’ve locked people to a certain server. So then you have to do it all on the same map without logging and checking many to cheat. 🤔
You choice a world and your stuck in it
I love these sorta vids!
Jagex: bunch of nerds half assing their jobs
Jagex: bunch of nerds half assing their jobs and blaming the playerbase for it
Very interested in a new KOS. Great content to watch.
King of the Skill was cool but Leagues is the most fun I've had on RS in so long
Leagues?
@@murktee Twisted leagues
Never done it and haven't played in a few years, what's twisted leagues?
@@rudygb17 It's a region locked server where everyone is an Ironman, the exp rates are higher, and every so often you get relics, which give benefits such as unlimited run energy, or multiplying exp for certain skills. This is just a very very basic explanation, I'd recommend looking up a video about Twisted Leagues specifically for more details.
I need twisted league back I missed it and the twisted relic armour is so fuckin hard to get but looks so sexy
I had no clue that guy solved the library during the competition. That just makes it even more epic what a boss
Without that single thing, i would have probably given up on the Twisted League very early on. Allowed me to go straight to 99rc a few days after the league started.
It took woodcutting 24 days of no sleep back in my day TT
Where's 5 boys 5 bil?
wheres 5 men one hole where they all get together and tongue each others fine asses until they shit???
Bruh..
Fire Reaper subbed for this @colonello fuck with us bro drop the vid
I enjoyed the concept of KOTS but people using alts ruined the gamemode and the way jagex handled the banning and rewards just added to it
That's what happens when u add competition people always gonna try to pull a fast one.
I suppose a way they could keep everyone on an even playing field would be if they instanced a lot of stuff that was talked about here, like making the struts in MLM broken/fixed on a person by person basis, and an impling being visible for you might mean it's invisible for others.
Though that would require A LOT of engine work and may not even be possible in the first place.
That or a locked down client. Like: Doesn't let you login with a VPN running (Obviously not the best idea but it's a thought), doesn't let you login on other clients on the same network (It'll have to look at the network's traffic but plenty of other software/ anticheat does that already).
I'd be interested but there needs to be leaps and bounds to address cheaters before I'd waste my time on it. Not that I'd be in the top 1% anyway but I'd like to suck fairly :p
Watching this during Trailblazer... veeeeeeeery interesting hahaha
Definitely think they should focus more on twisted league than reviving king of the skill. Just my opinion 🤷
#metoo
No doubt TL was one of their most succesful ideas, over 120k players showed that. For comparison, DMM got only half of that.
TWISTED league is over. The next league will be called something different.
#swampleague
Good news bro
So sad for that guy solving the library... He was a true legend
Gamer time has begun.
Keep making these videos bro. I don't play osrs anymore since around a year ago, but it brings me a warm heart that the community is still booming. I honestly hope this game lasts a long long time! Much love
To solve the problem "log in do something and log out" they could do something like "if you log in you have to play at least for 10 minutes"
They should invent Beta Testing at Jagex next Decade or two.
Dang I just came back to RS Nov of 2018. I quit back in 2007 when they took the wildy away. I wish I had the chance to participate in this.
I'd like to see king of skill, with scouting = permaban.
Is your cc in osrs, the same as your channel?? Also great video
Accreus library guy is crazy.
Id like to see another king of the skill take place
Will turn into King of the DDOS.
Understandable but have you watched this yet?
Or a permanent world for king of the skill that resets every 24 hrs?
I feel like the team in charge of banning is just a bunch of interns that just got told "Idk, ban whoever and we'll give you $5/hr"
bring back king of the skill
I would of loved doing king of the skill that sounds awesome
Same! Wish I could've participated :)
I remember doing king of the skill, was a lot of fun
Dude solved the library.
They could have always had quick subsequent logins cost time so that scouting was removed as a way to abuse the zero time aspect of logging in and out.
as always nice content :D
Thank you!! :D
@@lauratrans33 wtf how did i not watch the video? u are the one making urself look stupid, you really must have problems to just call someone an asshole for complementing a video, grow up
i tought my eyes stopped working lol
So like most things in runescape a few sweaty dumby nerds always have to ruin it.
a few sweaty nerds have to ruin it for all the sweaty nerds
They should make it so when a player logs in, if they log out shortly after have the minimum amount of time that can be deducted from a session be 15 minutes. This reduces the amount of total times a player can log in during the contest, but doesnt stop you from utilizing the entire 24 hours legitimately.
I would love to compete in another king of the skill
I would be! 5 month old account and slinging them levels. Would def enjoy it
Nice vid
leagues are kinda sick, I was hoping it would be a league not dmm for lockdown lol but still nice they did something
Do you add an AoE barracks unit creation sound in your static in-betweens? I can't unhear it.
just watched this and realized i could have used a plug in for those fucking books... FML
KOTS directly translates to PUKE in dutch, DISGUISTING
The only way this would work is that you have to restrict players from only being able to access the servers with a single account at any given time. And even then, there would need to be more checks and balances to get this to not just be the same thing. I seriously doubt this will be a thing in the foreseeable future.
If jagex kept a world for 10x iron men account the future of runescape private servers could come to an end
Someone give library dude a scholarship to Harvard.
Another banger
Thank you!! :)
If Jagex does bring it back they should make a custom client that has certain plugins, and have it locked down so that's the only thing that'll work on that world.
Or just no plugins at all? Lol
I miss RuneScape
What about all of the wintertodt? And yes another KOTS would be excellent
Its weird how they claim to have perfect accuracy in cheat and bot detection to the point where bans arent appealable
if they were appealable then botters would write scripts to appeal botting bans
And when you reach out on twitter etc to them you hear nothing back but see clearly favoured or lookrd up to RS "Celrbrities" etc can get away with murder lol
There's been several cases of streamers or popular reddit posts where the account ban has been reverted because their system fucked up.
Imagine all the people that DO NOT stream or use reddit that get banned and can't appeal. $11 a month and time wasted on a game where you can potentially lose everything for no reason.
@@iTzArchitect 0 evidence or an actual appeal system just an always "No we are right even though we get proved wrong fairly often"
Lets be honest.. We have all outsmarted Fagex at one point or another.
They should make a single World tied to the competition that is only accessible via osrs mobile client, this way no world hop would be possible and computer programs wouldn’t be so easy to interact with the game (bluestacks could be used, but it would be harder to cheat, they should check if any android simulator was been used and disconnect if it’s detected)
wish jagex could be held accountable for screwing over players, and not stopping those who actually broke the rules.
Is there a link to that vid from rank 2 construction? It sounds interesting but I can't find it
Yup! czcams.com/video/d00c1NpBrrE/video.html
Swamp man good swamp ass bad
Bond giveaway is great, but how about that 5b5b? Is the series dead?
Yes but no, still a final episode to upload, hopefully soon
I died so we ended series
@@ColonelloRS its BelleDelphne. Could always upload that fun tob-discord call with Rayne, you, myself and the boys for that content ;)
KOTS was a fun idea implemented in a stupid way. Really should just have been a flat 10x xp rate game type, and then just make it a competition of simply who gets to 99 in any skill first wins. The log in timer was stupid, the xp degradation was stupid.
Do you stream on twitch often?
Every once in a while :)
I think that Leagues is a better alternative to KOTS due to the easier to apply guidelines and additional flavor to aspects of the game typical players would never consider. I remember participating in KOTS for all of an hour and never picking it up again for the rest of it. Meanwhile, TL had a far better grip with a spectrum of tasks and goals to achieve.
Jagex should play there own game.
Zarfot would of had a field day with this in his prime
Go on
A few people in cc were looking for the discord link. discord.gg/buWjqx
Drama like this sells on youtube, so I'm voting for 2nd round of KoTS
I work damn near full time how do I get back into this game or be able to sustain a bond
thx
3:55 why is this always the case with jagex? they hurt their players more than the cheaters
Jagex-sponsored competition with no controversies challenge (impossible)
They should do another event like this but this time make everyone live stream it all to be valid
How do you get your prayer and HP to display like that? Been trying to find it for days lol. Anyone know?
You mean on the left and right of ur invent? Its a runelite plugin
wtfblonde yes thanks! Do you know what it’s called by any chance?
@@cjlxtough5072 hope you found it but since there's no response here, it's called "Status Bars"
Stone-Dog Millionaire I did, but thank you!
Oh shit he whooped sr.mark
i was rank 6-7-8 on smithing
that was skill was rough
@@lauratrans33 who hurt u
@@lauratrans33 You had like a whole month to do it... LMFAO
Lashing out at random people anonymously for petty shit is embarrassing, get your priorities in line (all it does is advertise you are salty AF).
lol RoT is still around? jeeze i rememebr that no honor clan from 05'
yeah they still claim they are the best....when honestly they're shit.
@@MrStone125 obv when they pk as group of say 40+ people against 1 person , of course person cant tank that many people...its rare you see the rot clan do 1v1's as on there own they suck but have bigger ego when they all pile on one guy and act big and pro when there not.
@@ravenspurplebeats5412 thats the point of teaming up.strength in numbers
one acc per login. wouldnt stop all from vpns but it would help. only makes sense
I always like the way you make your videos, I hope it’s the same for this one :)
I hope so too!
Colonello it was good :)
A date should be set and it should be held over an actual 24 hours, that would stop people logging.
Suppose it would or probably couldn't happen
Wonder what this game Runescape would look like on playstation or xbox
Me thinks I'm early. Also, what was up with the begining? Was that 3d? lol
King of the Cheats.
nice
pog!
Pog
@@spineappletea ok zoomer
These were never competitions to begin with, they are systems that Jagex uses to detect who cheats on the game. Who ever wins first place are guilty of cheating.
I just came back to osrs, but my logical answer would be to just ask everyone who participates to record/livestream at least 10+ of their playing so when they see who topped at the end, they can just review those vods right? I mean, if you’re serious enough to play this game for 24 hours, you probably have resources to record your gameplay...
Man what're the chances running into this video. Considering my name's Evan and my wife's Abbie
It would be cool for it to come back with a bounty on 1 skill instead of total level to encourage the finding of new methods such as the Arceus library
Lol by the end of the video I was thinking okay this is cool and all but what about that rank 1 guy. Obviously I realize now you were talking about him but it was confusing for a moment when the video ended and I thought you skipped your main talking point...